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| Guest2757 |
Posted - 06/26/2011 : 05:51:49
Now that it is final, What team in your opnion won this trade |
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| The Duke |
Posted - 05/18/2013 : 12:10:17
You just said it best guest 9848...that about sums it up.
People talk about kessel as if he is an older player . This guy is still really young too. ( in my opinion ) kessel is still getting better all the time and still has not reached his peak.....of course Seguin hasn`t either.
Seguins numbers will grow but so will kessels i think.
As the saga continues......so will the days of our lives... lol
9 pages long and still wont go away. |
| Guest9848 |
Posted - 05/17/2013 : 18:37:33
Maybe I don't watch enough Boston games to judge but I don't see what the hype about Seguin is, ya he had a great first season but since then he hasn't really done much and everytime i seem him play he dosnt seem to do anything special. |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 05/17/2013 : 10:40:14
One or two players does not a Cup make. Even the great Waynge Gretzky and Bobby Orr struggles and did not win Cups without a strong supporting cast.
Kessel, Seguin, and Hamilton are all key pieces to a supporting cast needed to win a Cup. I too, don't agre this trade can be measured today. If you had to, it's really tough. You have Kessel in one hand as a legit top 10-15 scorer in the league. In the other hand, you have two very promising stars in the making that are contributing to their teams today at a very reasonable salary cap hit.
We will see next summer when Kessel's deal is up. If he leaves TO, the trade will be Boston's. If he stays and the Leafs continue to grow and develop, it will likely be a closer debate.
Ultimately, both teams got what they wanted. The Leafs got a legit and elite scorer. Boston got great young talent at an affordable price. The question is less about this trade as both teams 'won' in getting what they wanted. The question is what is worth more?? An elite scorer or potentially two stud players??
Ottawa, the best coached team in the NHL, with MVP like players such as Chris Neil, will win the Cup in 2013!
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| Oilearl |
Posted - 05/17/2013 : 08:06:01
It's still 1 cup Bruins to 0 cups Leafs. The trade helped the Bruins more than it help the Leafs. |
| Guest2626 |
Posted - 05/17/2013 : 07:52:48
you cant grade the deal on one playoff series which Boston won by the way. |
| OILINONTARIO |
Posted - 05/16/2013 : 14:16:21
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Originally posted by JOSHUACANADA
I can't believe we are still discussing this trade all these years later.
Really? That was the big talk 'round these parts going into the series. Simplified, of course, to Kessel v. Seguin. Kinda surprised nobody brought it up earlier, to be honest. Toronto media is, once again, going overboard to find the silver lining.
No more "choke" headlines. Now it's "Wow! Look what we did! Imagine what we can do next year! Look how everybody has improved so much! Nowhere to go but up!"
Good for the Leafs for taking Boston to 7. Good experience for the young 'uns. What lies ahead for this team is still up in the air. Nothing was defined in round 1 except maybe that 'choke' thing.
The Oil WILL make the playoffs in 2014. |
| JOSHUACANADA |
Posted - 05/16/2013 : 12:49:49
I can't believe we are still discussing this trade all these years later. Boston with great contributions from Seguin won the cup. Boston and Seguin beat Toronto many, many years later in the playoffs. Boston has spent less on Seguin during this time and has prospects out the wazzo thanks to Toronto, which 3 years later has finally acheived a miracle, a playoff appearance.
I maintain Seguin, Hamilton and any other player received during this trade won. Boston was able to maintain cap space to maintain success which to me was a win on its own, while Toronto has just now recovered from this trade 3 years later and still fell short of Boston in the post season. Proof is in the pudding my friends.
"I now realise that the Toronto Maple Leafs, Canada's finest hockey team, is better than the Ottawa Senators - and always will be. PS - LOVE that Dion Phaneuf! " |
| @valanche |
Posted - 05/16/2013 : 12:25:05
Seguin worked his tail off for that one assist and it turned out to be on the series clinching goal. He's also some 5 odd years younger than Kessel so lets see what he's doing in the playoffs when he's Phil's age.
Not to take anything away from Kessel he is a great player and pure goal scorer. However, I think long term Boston still wins this trade by a mile.
66 is > than 99 |
| Guest4350 |
Posted - 05/16/2013 : 10:27:56
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Originally posted by fat_elvis_rocked
Uhhhmm....you do know the results of that series don't you? It's been bandied about by more than a few posters to date. 
The results of a trade, in my opinion, would be to improve the team. Not sure if one can say anyone 'won' that trade yet, Toronto made a heroic run at the Bruins, but in the end are still golfing early. I would think if anything, this trade helped both teams, making it more of a draw than anyone's 'win'.
Or until Seguin and Hamilton do something that helps Boston advance beyond this round. Which is what they have the opportunity to do. Whereas Phil is golfing. |
| fat_elvis_rocked |
Posted - 05/16/2013 : 10:19:40
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Originally posted by Guest9281
In the first time we could compare this trade directly when it mattered most, Toronto won this trade. Kessel with 6 points compared to 1 point for Seguin and Hamilton combined. Kessel was a force in this series while Seguin and Hamilton struggled. Hopefully this ends this debate.
Uhhhmm....you do know the results of that series don't you? It's been bandied about by more than a few posters to date.
The results of a trade, in my opinion, would be to improve the team. Not sure if one can say anyone 'won' that trade yet, Toronto made a heroic run at the Bruins, but in the end are still golfing early. I would think if anything, this trade helped both teams, making it more of a draw than anyone's 'win'. |
| Guest9281 |
Posted - 05/16/2013 : 09:38:52
In the first time we could compare this trade directly when it mattered most, Toronto won this trade. Kessel with 6 points compared to 1 point for Seguin and Hamilton combined. Kessel was a force in this series while Seguin and Hamilton struggled. Hopefully this ends this debate. |
| Alex116 |
Posted - 01/14/2013 : 17:12:27
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Originally posted by JOSHUACANADA
Bet you cant wait for the season to start Bean's. Love that the bets for your avatar, signature and such has lasted this long.
Only about 5 days left Beans. You really got screwed with that lockout, even though it's been awfully quiet around here because of it!  |
| JOSHUACANADA |
Posted - 01/14/2013 : 10:27:54
Bet you cant wait for the season to start Bean's. Love that the bets for your avatar, signature and such has lasted this long.
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Originally posted by Beans15
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Originally posted by The Duke
Hard to believe that this topic just won`t go away. This trade has garnered more attention than when Gretzky went to LA in 1988...unbelieveable 
This has to be a joke. Please tell me this was an attempt at humour as THE TRADE was subject to government intervention, decades of discussion, and documentaries up the wazoo.
The Kessel deal died years ago. Don't confuse a group of people on this website who revert back to old topics when there is nothing better to talk about as something more than it is.
By the way, Boston won. The Leaf lost Seguin, Knight, Hamilton, and now Burke in this trade. All that for Phil Kessel.......
Daniel Alfredsson is the MVP of the universe. All hail the Ottawa Senators!!!!!
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| Beans15 |
Posted - 01/10/2013 : 14:24:44
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Originally posted by The Duke
Hard to believe that this topic just won`t go away. This trade has garnered more attention than when Gretzky went to LA in 1988...unbelieveable
This has to be a joke. Please tell me this was an attempt at humour as THE TRADE was subject to government intervention, decades of discussion, and documentaries up the wazoo.
The Kessel deal died years ago. Don't confuse a group of people on this website who revert back to old topics when there is nothing better to talk about as something more than it is.
By the way, Boston won. The Leaf lost Seguin, Knight, Hamilton, and now Burke in this trade. All that for Phil Kessel.......
Daniel Alfredsson is the MVP of the universe. All hail the Ottawa Senators!!!!! |
| JOSHUACANADA |
Posted - 01/09/2013 : 19:50:55
I have a fresh perspective today on this debate. No matter who thinks which team won this trade, Burke clearly lost. Most commentators are using this as the catalyst for Burkes firing today. |
| The_Gipper |
Posted - 01/09/2013 : 14:01:42
this is something interesting to hear, especially since it never would have been considered while Burke was in charge: TSN radio strongly predicted that Kessel is going to be traded early this season. |
| slozo |
Posted - 01/09/2013 : 04:49:54
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Originally posted by Guest5443
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Originally posted by Guest2666
Just proves that Toronto is the center of the hockey universe.
It also proves how behind Toronto is... still talking about a 2 year old trade.
Move on Torontonians..... let the past go!
How can Torontonians let it go, when the majority of posts are by fans of other teams simply wishing to denigrate and pile-on the Leafs? 
"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug |
| Guest5443 |
Posted - 01/08/2013 : 16:26:00
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Originally posted by Guest2666
Just proves that Toronto is the center of the hockey universe.
It also proves how behind Toronto is... still talking about a 2 year old trade.
Move on Torontonians..... let the past go!
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| Guest2666 |
Posted - 12/24/2012 : 15:32:07
Just proves that Toronto is the center of the hockey universe. |
| The Duke |
Posted - 12/19/2012 : 19:30:09
Hard to believe that this topic just won`t go away. This trade has garnered more attention than when Gretzky went to LA in 1988...unbelieveable
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| sahis34 |
Posted - 12/09/2012 : 12:50:28
stop with the nonsense, boston won get over it |
| Guest9215 |
Posted - 12/09/2012 : 05:19:39
I think this year has been the closest year for this trade. I'll give Toronto the edge this season. |
| irvine |
Posted - 04/16/2012 : 10:34:45
I think the players won the trade!
Kessel joins a team where he becomes the #1 offensive player. Giving him the time he wants on the ice to produce.
Seguin gets a cup!
Irvine/prez. |
| sahis34 |
Posted - 04/06/2012 : 10:18:46
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Originally posted by Alex116
Sahis, my apologies, i thought you meant Seguin and Hamilton both (on their own) were more valuable, not as a pair. You've now cleared that up, and i see your point and it does make some sense. I'm sure there's a few like you mentioned who would be worth more, but i get what you were trying to say.
BTW, one day surely this thread will die, no?
Not if we keep clogging it up with all this other nonsense |
| Guest9220 |
Posted - 04/06/2012 : 04:08:37
Read this thread from begining to end and the only thing that got my attention was some Leaf fans comparing Seguin to a Stajan, or Antropov type player. Really? Surely you have to smarter than that. |
| JOSHUACANADA |
Posted - 04/05/2012 : 12:29:22
If the debate is on still for who won this trade, my opinion is Seguin and Hamilton won this trade. |
| ToXXiK1 |
Posted - 04/05/2012 : 07:21:10
wow, this still goes on? Both won, get over it. TO got a pure goal scorer, BOS got a future, (that's looking good) but, in the end, picks are a crapshoot. BOS got a great pick, period. Does it change Kessel scoring 50? no, does Seguin getting 50 change it? no, so, let's get over it. But i will say this: getting 40 or 50 on last place team, means s*** in the end. just saying.....biased  |
| ToXXiK1 |
Posted - 04/05/2012 : 07:18:54
wow, this still goes on? Both won, get over it. TO got a pure goal scorer, BOS got a future, (that's looking good) but, in the end, picks are a crapshoot. BOS got a great pick, period. Does it change Kessel scoring 50? no, does Seguin getting 50 change it? no, so, let's get over it. But i will say this: getting 40 or 50 on last place team, means s*** in the end. just saying.....biased |
| mandree888 |
Posted - 04/05/2012 : 06:24:07
i wonder if this thread would die if tor traded kessel to CBJ for nash ...... hhhmmmmm (obviously not straight up, there would have to be other players going to columbus) |
| Guest2775 |
Posted - 04/05/2012 : 01:32:07
Just by the nature of the question the thread would have to be relevent for a few years. We have to wait and see the development of these draft picks to compare with Kessel and how Boston and Toronto fair. |
| Alex116 |
Posted - 04/04/2012 : 22:13:01
Sahis, my apologies, i thought you meant Seguin and Hamilton both (on their own) were more valuable, not as a pair. You've now cleared that up, and i see your point and it does make some sense. I'm sure there's a few like you mentioned who would be worth more, but i get what you were trying to say.
BTW, one day surely this thread will die, no? |
| sahis34 |
Posted - 04/04/2012 : 20:31:24
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Originally posted by Alex116
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Originally posted by sahis34
Great it resurfaced,So sick of the leaf fans delusion. Seguin and hamiliton have greater value than almost any single player in the NHL, let alone kessel.
HUH??? You hate this topic (as do i and many others) but then you turn around and claim that "Seguin and Hamilton have greater value than almost any single player in the NHL"???? WTF? Think about how ridiculous that statement really is! 
I bet you can't name 10. I would say that stamkos is definitely more valuable but I would debate almost anyone else. Maybe malkin,crosby,ovechkin,toews, karlsson,i dunno. Seguin is of top 20-30 value in the league, and a great young player like hamilton puts him over many. I'm an oilers fan and I wouldn't say that the oilers have a player more valuable then seguin and hamilton combined, even RNH, hall and eberle. |
| Guest8875 |
Posted - 04/04/2012 : 20:30:05
I have to go with Boston only because Toronto is not making the playoffs this year. If Toronto had made the playoffs I would say it is a tie. If they made it to the finals and won the cup I would say they win. It doesn't matter if Kessel is better than Sequin or if Sequin will be better than Kessel, only on who makes there team better. Kessel makes the leafs better yes but they still have holes to fill. Sequin not only made his team better last year when Boston won the cup but will continue to make Boston a contender for some years to come. In fact Boston looks like they could be the next Dynasty team (Before them being Detroit and before them being Edmonton). If so 2 out of 3 Dynasties will be 2 of my 3 favorite teams. Yay for me! |
| The Duke |
Posted - 04/04/2012 : 20:28:40
Guest 4110, the debate here is who won the trade.
NOT which position the leafs finished in.
Why are you relating the two ?? What are you saying ?? The draft picks would have them finishing higher ??...or...Bringing in kessel dropped them into 29 th place ??
You made reference to the fact that no GM in his right mind would trade Seguin for kessel...i agree with you.
I noted that your statement was pointless because this trade didn`t happen...it was kessel for draft picks ( not Seguin )...
You couldn`t handle this fact, and it it fact,,,not fiction like you wrote, got childish and called me an idiot...
In my books guest, this makes you the idiot. |
| Guest4110 |
Posted - 04/04/2012 : 20:14:39
Hey the duke u are an idiot and are clearly the crack smoker I watch a ton of hockey and could c the writing in the wall when Toronto made this trade that they really didn't improve there team kessel is a great player but not good enough to trade for even a top 5 pick and they did not improve enough with this trade before the season started only ones that thought they did was retarded leaf fans and Burke I thought they were going to finish last that year they got lucky Edmonton had a ton of injuries was all that saved them |
| The Duke |
Posted - 04/04/2012 : 11:57:11
sahis34...i don`t see too many leaf fans on here saying that the leafs actually won the trade....most leaf fans here state the fact that the leafs received a very good player in kessel...this doesn`t imply that the leafs won the trade.
I just posted the fact that Seguin was not traded for kessel, thats all........i also said that no sane GM would trade Seguin for kessel right now...does this statement sound like i`m saying Toronto won the trade ??
Obviously Boston is reaping great rewards from this trade and in time this trade will benefit them more so than the leafs.
You claim you are sane and the leaf fans here who argue that the leafs won this trade are crazy and you just shake your head and walk away from them nodding and smiling....
So, i`m putting a challenge to you, if you are up to it ???
Can you go through these posts and find the leaf fans you are talking about ?? Can you find the ones who claim that the leafs won this trade, hands down....and re - post their out - right claim that the leafs definitely won this trade over Boston....
I`m admitting right now that Boston wins this trade, after watching Seguin play...2 years ago i was more neutral, but not now.
Theres no need to read any of my posts...BOSTON won the trade !!!!!!!
Please post these fans you refer to.....if you can`t then your comments are hogwash.....and your just rambling nonsense. |
| mandree888 |
Posted - 04/04/2012 : 10:33:36
hands down boston won this trade. Burke did not think that he was gonna have that high a pick (had he known i dont think he would have made the trade). for that reason and that reason alone i say boston wins hands down. do not pass go do not collect a stanley cup. welcome to the cellar toronto. |
| Guest2758 |
Posted - 04/04/2012 : 07:23:01
If it was any other team there wouldn't be a debate, but its Toronto. You take the good with the bad . |
| sahis34 |
Posted - 04/03/2012 : 21:39:07
Leaf fans who claim that the leafs won the trade are like creationists who continue to argue for the ridiculous. When confronted with such a person, us sane people are forced to nod and smile, and then creep away slowly when the crazy person rambles on and on about it. Seriously 8 pages of this s***? There is no debate tone it down. |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 04/03/2012 : 21:01:28
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Originally posted by The Duke
P.S...if you thought SEGUIN was traded for KESSEL....
I would then guess you are on crack and a dumb non-leaf fan who doesn`t watch hockey.
It was draft picks my friend...NOT Seguin for Kessel
Duke, you can keep saying this until you are blue in the face but the simple fact of the matter is those draft picks directly turned out to be Seguin, Hamilton, and Knight. The trade will always be measured by the players involved and not draft picks.
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