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ToXXiK1 Posted - 01/10/2011 : 02:06:49
Ok, I've seen just about enough points slip down the toilet with this team. They are the Dr, Jeckyl / Mr. Hyde team if ever I saw one. Who's gonna show up? Who knows?

It's becoming obvious this team needs to shake it up somehow. Is it a coaching change? Trade? Deal with the devil?

And I don't want to hear Ryder has to go, along with Wheeler deals. These 2 are actually miles ahead of last season.

Ference, Paille, Marchant....... We have lots o' talent waiting to come up or be moved in packages.

Your thoughts?
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ToXXiK1 Posted - 02/02/2011 : 05:03:50
Boston will be ok without Savard as they went 23 games in without him and they are thick at centre. I would think if they make a move at deadline time, it would be for a puck moving Dman. As I posted in another forum, it seems that Kabby is off the trade market so it won't be him. With Savard going on the IR for the remainder of the season, Boston has some cash freed up to do some sort of move, but, Chia's history so far at deadline is to sit on his hands, so i'm not holding my breath. Stuart has been a healthy scratch since he came back from a broken hand, maybe he's on the move.

"Hockey is a man's game. The team with the most real men wins. - Brian Burke
slozo Posted - 02/02/2011 : 04:53:42
No matter how many words, sentences or paragraphs there are attempting to derail a subject . . . please people:

Keep it on track!
This thread is about the Boston Bruins - period. How well they will do this year, where they will finish. Yes, Montreal is probably relevent to mention, since they have been close to top spot as well in the division, so it matters how well they do too . . . but let's not lose sight of the actual subject matter - the Boston Bruins.

I would rather find out how Boston fans think their team will do without Savard for what looks like the rest of the year . . . it's a big blow, and it almost makes me think they might try picking someone up at the deadline.

Did I mention this thread is about Boston?

"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug
Guest2622 Posted - 02/01/2011 : 10:42:36
quote:
Originally posted by ToXXiK1

So true, thank you for pointing that out, but I can't find a Leaf paragraph in this thread?. Now, just found this, just as expected:
http://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=350909
Now that Savard is sidelined, maybe, just maybe Julien gives Seguin more than 8 minutes a game now that a centre spot is open?


"Hockey is a man's game. The team with the most real men wins. - Brian Burke



Here ya go: Obviously not if you are a Leaf fan. I guess you want a limited amount of really young, gifted talent with loads of potential to avoid the problem of having to sign all that talent. I guess it's better to trade off all of your draft picks for a single player because it's far easier to keep that one guys and let your competition reap the benefits of not only your draft picks but their own as well.

Yep, smart hockey management at it's finest.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------



Wow, have a hate-on much? This thread is about the Boston Bruins, you do realise that, right?

Please keep it on topic.



I actually found several paragraphs about the Leafs. Let me know if you need any other help!
ToXXiK1 Posted - 02/01/2011 : 10:09:45
Looks like Savard could be done for the season:

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=351903

Well, when he goes on the IR, it'll open some cash for the trade deadline.... unfortunately.

"Hockey is a man's game. The team with the most real men wins. - Brian Burke
ToXXiK1 Posted - 01/24/2011 : 10:25:50
So true, thank you for pointing that out, but I can't find a Leaf paragraph in this thread?. Now, just found this, just as expected:
http://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=350909
Now that Savard is sidelined, maybe, just maybe Julien gives Seguin more than 8 minutes a game now that a centre spot is open?


"Hockey is a man's game. The team with the most real men wins. - Brian Burke
Odin Posted - 01/24/2011 : 10:11:38
quote:
Originally posted by ToXXiK1

Yep, just checked and, there IS a Montreal thread...........

"Hockey is a man's game. The team with the most real men wins. - Brian Burke



Like I said, I wasn't the one who brought them up here. But if they are mentioned, that makes them fair game. Besides, there is also a Leafs thread.............
ToXXiK1 Posted - 01/24/2011 : 09:11:20
Yep, just checked and, there IS a Montreal thread...........

"Hockey is a man's game. The team with the most real men wins. - Brian Burke
Odin Posted - 01/24/2011 : 08:36:54
Yep, some meltdown. 7-1-2 in their last 10 games. Points in 9 of their last 10 games. What a total colapse. Seriously Slozo, are you losing grasp on reality in your rush to denigrate the Habs?

I noticed you avoided my point as well about their apparently terrible rank #3 defense.


Sorry, that was me.
Guest2622 Posted - 01/24/2011 : 08:32:36
quote:
Originally posted by slozo

Ha ha, funny stuff . . . especially considering that Rask never played one game fro Toronto, as he constantly mentions whenever interviewed about this crap. He was traded as a prospect, and good for him - he has flourished.

Oh, and to get back on topic: the Bruins are going to be just fine unfortunately, they will finish well ahead of Montreal, and the meltdown is currently happening RIGHT NOW (for the Habs).

"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug



Yep, some meltdown. 7-1-2 in their last 10 games. Points in 9 of their last 10 games. What a total colapse. Seriously Slozo, are you losing grasp on reality in your rush to denigrate the Habs?

I noticed you avoided my point as well about their apparently terrible rank #3 defense.

ToXXiK1 Posted - 01/24/2011 : 07:50:08
about Savard being a high-risk (others on this very forum argued against me, saying it's just "one concussion").

Good call Slozo as this was Savard's 4th "documented " conc. And, digging a little deeper I found out there probably was as many as 4 more not documented.



"Hockey is a man's game. The team with the most real men wins. - Brian Burke
slozo Posted - 01/24/2011 : 07:06:24
Yeah, T-RAV - I have to pile in here on you and say that wishing that Savard's career has ended in concussion is pretty tasteless, and morally unbecoming of someone who espouses any sort of morality.

As with a player who has been seriously concussed previously, another concussion always happens much more easily. I had argued at length about not getting Savard just because of this back in the day, and had a long discussion about Savard being a high-risk (others on this very forum argued against me, saying it's just "one concussion").

This is one of those cases where I certainly take no pride whatsoever in being correct in my predictions. Hopefully, Savard recovers, but it certainly looks grim.

"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug
ToXXiK1 Posted - 01/24/2011 : 06:06:18
quote:
Originally posted by T-RAV

I personally hope that Savard has the same type of career that Lindros had.

And ya. I have no doubt that Seguin is going to be good. But there is no guarantee that he wont be injured or will turn out to be the best player on your team either.
And the same goes for Kessel for us.

I am not commenting on anyone else's post. Just a thought of my own.

I would like to see Boston win the NE Div. and lose in the first round to the Habs.

Peace and Respect



TRAV:

I see you're still not over it? As I said in an earlier post, I have no issues agreeing on Savard's condition, but to wish a career ender? Harsh.... And Seguin wasn't even mention AT ALL?
Wow...........

"Hockey is a man's game. The team with the most real men wins. - Brian Burke
ToXXiK1 Posted - 01/24/2011 : 06:03:55
It was a clean hit, unfortunate for Savard to be leaning in along the boards in the corner. Hunwick can throw 'em with the best of 'em and got all of Savvy, No penalty as it was a clean hit.

"Hockey is a man's game. The team with the most real men wins. - Brian Burke
ryan93 Posted - 01/24/2011 : 05:13:18
quote:
Originally posted by T-RAV

I personally hope that Savard has the same type of career that Lindros had.


???
T-RAV Posted - 01/24/2011 : 05:06:40
I personally hope that Savard has the same type of career that Lindros had.

And ya. I have no doubt that Seguin is going to be good. But there is no guarantee that he wont be injured or will turn out to be the best player on your team either.
And the same goes for Kessel for us.

I am not commenting on anyone else's post. Just a thought of my own.

I would like to see Boston win the NE Div. and lose in the first round to the Habs.

Peace and Respect
Pasty7 Posted - 01/24/2011 : 05:03:45
quote:
Originally posted by ToXXiK1

Well, back to the topic:

Looks like Savvy's season, if not career could be over. He took quite a nasty hit against the glass with his face, courtesy of one of our own that we traded to Colorado, Matt Hunwick.

Testing will happen today, but, the history is getting long with Savvy and he might just have to make some hard decisions.

Minimum of him sitting to after the All Star break.

"Hockey is a man's game. The team with the most real men wins. - Brian Burke



Toxxy i didn't see the hit and have been at work all night how was it? was their a penalty on the play or was it just bad luck for Savard?

"I led the league in "Go get 'em next time." - Bob Uecker
ToXXiK1 Posted - 01/24/2011 : 04:21:07
Well, back to the topic:

Looks like Savvy's season, if not career could be over. He took quite a nasty hit against the glass with his face, courtesy of one of our own that we traded to Colorado, Matt Hunwick.

Testing will happen today, but, the history is getting long with Savvy and he might just have to make some hard decisions.

Minimum of him sitting to after the All Star break.

"Hockey is a man's game. The team with the most real men wins. - Brian Burke
Alex116 Posted - 01/14/2011 : 14:21:55
From everything i've heard, the Devil's have the choice of which year they forfeit the pick.

If anyone knows for sure otherwise, i'd love to hear about it cuz yeah, that Kovy signing would be even worse!
nuxfan Posted - 01/14/2011 : 14:00:27
it is NJ's choice on what year they give up the first round pick, in one of the next 4. If the NHL mandated that it was this year, then that makes the Kovy signing all that much worse.
Mario 66 Posted - 01/14/2011 : 13:01:34
Beans doesn't Jersey have the option over the course of the next 2 - 4 yrs to eliminate which 1st round pick they choose to forfeit or is it automatically the nhl's choice? If such is the case then i eliminate my previous statement in another thread that jersey was in much better position then the leafs. I was under the impression they would recieve the first pick overall presuming they continue their wretched play this yr and then forfeit next or the following yrs pick.

Lemieux owns Gretzky
Beans15 Posted - 01/14/2011 : 12:49:01
quote:
Originally posted by Guest9052

Beans, Boston already used the 2nd round pick they got from the Leafs last draft.
Draft season with only 29 picks?? are you refering to the devils pick?

T-RAV




Yep, the assumption is the league will enforce the 1st round draft pick penalty this season meaning there will only be 29 picks in the first round.

I was also unaware that Boston had the 2nd round pick in 2010. I thought it was the 2011 draft when Boston got the 1st and 2nd round picks. You are correct. Boston used the 2nd round pick to select a kid named Jared Knight.

SO, to this point it is Phil Kessel for Tyler Seguin, Jared Knight, and a top 5 pick in 2011.
Guest9052 Posted - 01/14/2011 : 11:10:30
Beans, Boston already used the 2nd round pick they got from the Leafs last draft.
Draft season with only 29 picks?? are you refering to the devils pick?

T-RAV
ToXXiK1 Posted - 01/14/2011 : 09:28:59
Nuxfan:
Absolutely correct. I was nowhere near satisfied with the game at all. But, I was very happy with the B's not giving in and fighting for every inch of ice. Like I stated starting this thread, jeckyl or hyde? I'm just happy for the 2 points and the team stringing together a few wins. I'm sure something will happen by deadline, but, I also thought so last year as well.

"Hockey is a man's game. The team with the most real men wins. - Brian Burke
nuxfan Posted - 01/14/2011 : 09:02:22
toxxik, you can't be too thrilled about that game last night. while the Beaners won, thats not the way they want to be winning games I don't think...

was good for my pools though, I have a lot of BOS and PHI players but neither goalie.
ToXXiK1 Posted - 01/14/2011 : 07:34:35
Ya Guest, I watched the whole game VS Philly. Back and forth, winning teqam changed hands 4 different times !
Good to see Savvy getting better every game, but, the guy at the hotdog stand could've scored at either end, was getting silly.
That being said, B's are on a mini roll, hope they can keep it going. Does anyone know where Steven Kampfer came from? I never heard of him, but, damn has he got game !!

For the leafers: NO parade route planned :)
slozo Posted - 01/14/2011 : 05:25:10
quote:
Originally posted by Beans15

Obviously not if you are a Leaf fan. I guess you want a limited amount of really young, gifted talent with loads of potential to avoid the problem of having to sign all that talent. I guess it's better to trade off all of your draft picks for a single player because it's far easier to keep that one guys and let your competition reap the benefits of not only your draft picks but their own as well.

Yep, smart hockey management at it's finest.



Wow, have a hate-on much? This thread is about the Boston Bruins, you do realise that, right?

Please keep it on topic.

"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug
Guest4271 Posted - 01/14/2011 : 01:31:06
Anyone see last night's game vs. Philly............... had its moments, but they don't give up and keep coming ahead, I like the chemistry and I think Savard's coming along nicely, I like them for a solid run in the playoffs
Beans15 Posted - 01/13/2011 : 17:56:06
Obviously not if you are a Leaf fan. I guess you want a limited amount of really young, gifted talent with loads of potential to avoid the problem of having to sign all that talent. I guess it's better to trade off all of your draft picks for a single player because it's far easier to keep that one guys and let your competition reap the benefits of not only your draft picks but their own as well.

Yep, smart hockey management at it's finest.
Alex116 Posted - 01/13/2011 : 17:32:55
quote:
Originally posted by The Duke

Your smile may be big for now Beans...lets see how big it is in a few years time when all those talented young Oilers want big $$$$$...yeah they got-em...lets see if they can keep them...personally i think they will be out-ta town fast enough, when the opportunity arises.

Anyway Leafs are on a RROOOOLLLLLLLLL...



Yup, could be a problem for sure. BUT, and this is a HUGE "but", isn't that a problem you'd want your team to have???
The Duke Posted - 01/13/2011 : 17:22:25
Your smile may be big for now Beans...lets see how big it is in a few years time when all those talented young Oilers want big $$$$$...yeah they got-em...lets see if they can keep them...personally i think they will be out-ta town fast enough, when the opportunity arises.

Anyway Leafs are on a RROOOOLLLLLLLLL...
Guest9270 Posted - 01/13/2011 : 15:36:00
quote:
Originally posted by ToXXiK1

Nice comment half way thru the season Mario. On paper this team should be a lot better was my statement. Try a comment before they tank.

ToXXiK1 Posted - 01/13/2011 : 13:40:55
Nice comment half way thru the season Mario. On paper this team should be a lot better was my statement. Try a comment before they tank.
Mario 66 Posted - 01/13/2011 : 13:00:08
Toronto looks good on paper??? What paper is that?? The St Louis Blues & Boston Bruins also known as the leafs real farm systems look good on paper the leafs line up looks good on toilet paper.

Lemieux owns Gretzky
ToXXiK1 Posted - 01/13/2011 : 09:52:53
The Kessel trade is getting to be an old, tired debate. Boston was never going to sign Kessel, he wanted out, demanded big coin and Boston wasn't going to pay that much for a 1 dimensional player. (Kessel was benched during the playoffs because he wouldn't go south of the red line). So, Boston was going to trade him regardless, just a matter of to who. Toronto had the option of waiting until Kessel's contract ran out and try to sign him then, but got to antsy thinking someone else would beat them to it. At the time, there's a snowball's chance in hell BB does the trade knowing how high the pick was going to be. I don't think anyone in the league saw the trainwreck season Toronto had coming. Sure, top 15 pick maybe, but 2nd? Great for Boston and great for Toronto getting the sniper they wanted. The kick in the teeth will be this season if Toronto doesn't stop sending the wives out to play, suck it up and play like they look on paper, a decent playoff spot contending team. Otherwise, unproven or not, Boston comes out better with 2 lottery picks, period. Because at the end of the day, Kessel can score 60 goals, but, last place is still last place.
Beans15 Posted - 01/13/2011 : 09:14:37
quote:
Originally posted by The Duke

Toxx, i still reamber cursing on JFJ the day he traded Rask for that dam Raycroft. This trade bothers me a lot more than the kessel trade.

For Rask we got nothing. At least for a Seguin we got a STAR player in return. Again i keep reminding people...it wasn`t kessel for Seguin...it was kessel for a draft pick. Who knew at the time it would be 2nd overall.



Ummm, no one did know for certain but there were tons of people outside of the GTA that has some very strong assumptions it would be a lottery pick.

And you are right, it was not Kessel for Seguin. It was Kessel for 2-1st round and a 2nd round draft pick. So, to this point, it was Kessel for a lottery pick, a very high likelihood for another lottery pick, and a very high 2nd round pick in a year with only 29 players picked in the first round.

I love when this trade is justified. Every time it's justified it puts a great big smile on my face. Although, it might not be as big as the smile on Peter Chiarelli's face.

Hey, has anyone seen that A+ prospect for the Leafs, Nazem Kadri lately??? I wonder what he is up to these days?? Hope he's in the gym bulking up as his 170 lb frame is expected to carry the Leaf Nation all the way to the Cup.
ToXXiK1 Posted - 01/13/2011 : 08:59:33
I don't know why people keep knocking that trade. Boston got an unproven goalie in the minors and Toronto got the Rookie of the Year one year removed due to injury. Also, Toronto hasn't had a goalie other than Belfour, to match his wins in 1 season.

Raycroft - 37
Belfour - 37
Cujo - 36
Potvin - 34
Fuhr - 25
Toskala - 33

This yr: Gustavson - 16
Jiggy - 6

So, at the time, it wasn't such a bad deal. He played 72 games in 2006-7 to post 37 wins, 2007-8 he played 19 as Toronto decided Toskala was the man. That didn't work out so well. Chased Razor out of town, and Belfour is considered a saint? Hmmmmmm......
Alex116 Posted - 01/13/2011 : 08:49:22
quote:
Originally posted by slozo

Ha ha, funny stuff . . . especially considering that Rask never played one game fro Toronto, as he constantly mentions whenever interviewed about this crap. He was traded as a prospect, and good for him - he has flourished.

Oh, and to get back on topic: the Bruins are going to be just fine unfortunately, they will finish well ahead of Montreal, and the meltdown is currently happening RIGHT NOW (for the Habs).

"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug



RIGHT NOW? Huh? Didn't they just win 3 straight games? Isn't 3 one less than the Leafs current 4 game win streak which has sparked parade talk???
The Duke Posted - 01/13/2011 : 08:19:21
Toxx, i still reamber cursing on JFJ the day he traded Rask for that dam Raycroft. This trade bothers me a lot more than the kessel trade.

For Rask we got nothing. At least for a Seguin we got a STAR player in return. Again i keep reminding people...it wasn`t kessel for Seguin...it was kessel for a draft pick. Who knew at the time it would be 2nd overall.
ToXXiK1 Posted - 01/13/2011 : 07:39:50
Slozo, I never mentioned he ever played for Toronto?
slozo Posted - 01/13/2011 : 06:49:25
Ha ha, funny stuff . . . especially considering that Rask never played one game fro Toronto, as he constantly mentions whenever interviewed about this crap. He was traded as a prospect, and good for him - he has flourished.

Oh, and to get back on topic: the Bruins are going to be just fine unfortunately, they will finish well ahead of Montreal, and the meltdown is currently happening RIGHT NOW (for the Habs).

"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug

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