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fly4apuckguy
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Posted - 10/20/2007 :  09:08:36  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
It was Rod Langway, and he was born in Taiwan, I believe. I think he won it two years in a row with point totals in the 30's. Complete rip-off. Of course, at the time, people were still kind of on a Bobby Orr hangover, so anyone who had a similar style was immediately and unfairly judged against Bobby, rather than their own merits. Can you imagine a defenseman getting even 100 points now and not winning the Norris? that's crazy.
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willus3
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Posted - 10/20/2007 :  17:58:51  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by fly4apuckguy

It was Rod Langway, and he was born in Taiwan, I believe. I think he won it two years in a row with point totals in the 30's. Complete rip-off. Of course, at the time, people were still kind of on a Bobby Orr hangover, so anyone who had a similar style was immediately and unfairly judged against Bobby, rather than their own merits. Can you imagine a defenseman getting even 100 points now and not winning the Norris? that's crazy.


I think there was a backlash at the time but it wasn't to do with Orr. I remember some hubbub about the two previous winners (Carlyle and Wilson) being criticized for being all offence and no defence and that the voters had lost sight of what the Norris was about. The voters went the polar opposite the next two seasons by selecting Langway.
To be honest I'm far more comfortable with Langway's Norris's than I am with Coffey's. But that's another thread entirely.

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fly4apuckguy
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Posted - 10/20/2007 :  19:34:49  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by willus3

To be honest I'm far more comfortable with Langway's Norris's than I am with Coffey's. But that's another thread entirely.





I actually thought you were making sense to me lately, willus, but you lost me again. Just because a guy gets a ton of points, should he be ineligible? Coffey was not a liability on defence until later in his career. During the 80's and early 90's, his speed was enough to stop almost anyone.

One of his most famous stops was in the 1984 Canada Cup. That's what I think of when I think about Paul Coffey.
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willus3
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Posted - 10/20/2007 :  23:04:24  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by fly4apuckguy

quote:
Originally posted by willus3

To be honest I'm far more comfortable with Langway's Norris's than I am with Coffey's. But that's another thread entirely.





I actually thought you were making sense to me lately, willus, but you lost me again. Just because a guy gets a ton of points, should he be ineligible? Coffey was not a liability on defence until later in his career. During the 80's and early 90's, his speed was enough to stop almost anyone.

One of his most famous stops was in the 1984 Canada Cup. That's what I think of when I think about Paul Coffey.



As long as he's playing great defense while putting up tons of points I have no problem. But there in lies the issue I have with Coffey. We can discuss but you should probably start another thread...

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hkalirah
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Posted - 11/15/2007 :  07:54:07  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
It is easy to answer who had the most points through the 80's (Gretzky) but who had the second most points though the 80's??


I know I'm very late with this post, just saw it today.

Didn't Kurri have more points in the 80's than Stasny?

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PuckNuts
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Posted - 11/15/2007 :  08:58:18  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
No matter how you look at it Stastny had more points in the 80's than Kurri.

Stastny
1980-81 to the end of the 1989-90 season total points = 1059
1980-81 to the end of the 1988-89 season total points = 986

Kurri
1980-81 to the end of the 1989-90 season total points = 1043
1980-81 to the end of the 1988-89 season total points = 950

And to put it into perspective
Gretzky
1980-81 to the end of the 1989-90 season total points = 1842
1980-81 to the end of the 1988-89 season total points = 1700

WOW...







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hkalirah
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Posted - 11/15/2007 :  09:03:02  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Pucknuts, where did you find those stats? I was searching everywhere.

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PuckNuts
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Posted - 11/15/2007 :  09:10:14  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I keep all that kind of stuff in my head...

Excel is an amazing tool...

Others on note:
Messier
1980-81 to the end of the 1989-90 season total points = 937
Federko
1980-81 to the end of the 1989-90 season total points = 877
Trottier
1980-81 to the end of the 1989-90 season total points = 825

I don't necessarily agree with everything I say.
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Edited by - PuckNuts on 11/15/2007 09:12:40
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willus3
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Posted - 11/15/2007 :  09:28:03  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by PuckNuts

I keep all that kind of stuff in my head...

Excel is an amazing tool...

Others on note:
Messier
1980-81 to the end of the 1989-90 season total points = 937
Federko
1980-81 to the end of the 1989-90 season total points = 877
Trottier
1980-81 to the end of the 1989-90 season total points = 825

I don't necessarily agree with everything I say.
- - Marshall McLuhan






Pucknuts, what about Savard? Is he third behind Stastny?

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PuckNuts
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Posted - 11/15/2007 :  09:50:04  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Yes I missed Savard.
1980-81 to the end of the 1989-90 season total points = 1013

I added up him PIMs...

I don't necessarily agree with everything I say.
- - Marshall McLuhan



Edited by - PuckNuts on 11/15/2007 09:53:21
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willus3
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Posted - 11/15/2007 :  09:57:52  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by PuckNuts

Yes I missed Savard.
1980-81 to the end of the 1989-90 season total points = 1013

I added up him PIMs...

I don't necessarily agree with everything I say.
- - Marshall McLuhan





So Kurri is ahead of Savard?


"I'm a man of principle... or not. Whatever the situation calls for." - Alan Shore
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Guest5940
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Posted - 03/05/2011 :  21:15:19  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Beans15

Ok, let's get this going again.

1983-84. Paul Coffey had 126 points and +52 rating, but he didn't win the Norris Trophy. The player who did had 33 points and was +14.

Who was he and where was he born!

PS- Try to guess without google or wikipedia.

If you are under the age of 15, please do some research before you make a post about anything pre-1997.



He must've had some connections high up
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Guest4988
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Posted - 03/07/2011 :  08:29:54  Reply with Quote
Rod Langway of Washington. He was born in Taiwan, but raised in USA. No connections, he was just a solid defensive defenceman.
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The Duke
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Posted - 03/07/2011 :  16:02:06  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Only 3 NHL players scored 100 points or more as a teenager at the NHL level.....Wayne Gretzky was 1 of them.....

Who are the other 2 ??...no it`s not Lemieux
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Guest9504
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Posted - 03/07/2011 :  16:08:01  Reply with Quote
Crosby of course!

Was the other Selanne?
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The Duke
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Posted - 03/07/2011 :  16:13:50  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I really don`t understand this question, it is listed in NHL Trivia, and Lemieux isn`t one of the answers...but...

Lemieux was born on OCT. 05 / 1965 and his first season was 1984 / 1985 and he scored exactly 100 points.

Maybe the trivia question was only 3 to score OVER 100 points as a teenager....it has to be in order to be correct.
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The Duke
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Posted - 03/07/2011 :  16:14:47  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
guest 9504....your 0 for 2
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The Duke
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Posted - 03/07/2011 :  16:18:26  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Sorry Guest...of course Crosby is right...

He would now be the 4th...this trivia question is a bit old, completely forgot about Crosby, kick my a$$
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nuxfan
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Posted - 03/07/2011 :  16:19:45  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
There are 4 - Crosby, Lemeiux, Gretzky, and Dale Hawerchuk was the other, 103 points when he was 18/19.

Edited by - nuxfan on 03/07/2011 16:21:10
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Guest6495
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Posted - 03/08/2011 :  06:37:27  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Mikhailova

The name caught on in hockey when a Toronto hat maker would hand out hats to Leafs players who scored 3 goals in a game. It's unknown whether he picked up the idea from cricket, but the term did originate in cricket.


His name was Sammy Taft
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rross
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Canada
58 Posts

Posted - 03/08/2011 :  06:38:32  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
[quote]Originally posted by Mikhailova

The name caught on in hockey when a Toronto hat maker would hand out hats to Leafs players who scored 3 goals in a game. It's unknown whether he picked up the idea from cricket, but the term did originate in cricket.
His name was Sammy Taft

Go Habs Go!!
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rross
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Canada
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Posted - 03/08/2011 :  06:58:13  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by The Duke

Only 3 NHL players scored 100 points or more as a teenager at the NHL level.....Wayne Gretzky was 1 of them.....

Who are the other 2 ??...no it`s not Lemieux


Jimmy Carson and Dale Hawerchuk

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The Duke
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Canada
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Posted - 03/08/2011 :  14:42:55  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Sorry Nuxfan...the trivia question was over 100 points as a teenager...the 4th one was Jimmy Carson.
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The Duke
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Posted - 03/08/2011 :  14:43:54  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
right on rross
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simleung
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Posted - 02/04/2012 :  00:10:45  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I think there's 5 of them now. Mario is indeed one of them - his birthday is in Oct 1965, and he scored 100 pts in the 1984-85 season. The season ends in April, so Mario would have been 19 at the time.

Carson was 19, Hawerchuk was 19 or he may have even been 18, his birthday is April 4. Gretzky was 19, Crosby was 18.

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Beans15
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Posted - 01/29/2013 :  11:47:03  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Bored out of my skull.

Let's see if we can get some trivia going. These are only fun if you don't look it up on google.


Here you go:

There are 5 players in the history of the NHL to score more than 450 goals without playing in at least 1,000 games.

Can you name them??
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Guest4350
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Posted - 01/29/2013 :  12:50:15  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Beans15

Bored out of my skull.

Let's see if we can get some trivia going. These are only fun if you don't look it up on google.


Here you go:

There are 5 players in the history of the NHL to score more than 450 goals without playing in at least 1,000 games.

Can you name them??



I can only think of 3 off the top of my head. Mario, Bossy and P Bure.
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fat_elvis_rocked
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Posted - 01/29/2013 :  13:09:22  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I'll take a googleless stab at it!

I agree with Guest's

Bure, Mario and Bossy, and will add;

Neely and Tim Kerr( I think that was his name, played for Philly).

Now on to Google to see how far off I was!

Wow, now that I've googled, that's a toughy! Good question Beans! I would expect no less from a fellow cerebral Oiler fan!

Keep em' coming!

I would venture very few could get all 5 without assistance!

Edited by - fat_elvis_rocked on 01/29/2013 13:21:15
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Alex116
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Posted - 01/29/2013 :  13:09:28  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I don't think Bure got to 450? Thought he was shy of that in the 440's? I could be wrong. As for the others, i'm trying to think of guys like Bossy and Lemieux who had shortened careers due to injury/illness and can't come up with a goal scorer who fits the mold? Lafleur prob would have been one if he hadn't come back as i believe he went over 1000 games upon his return, no?

Is Joe Mullen one of them???
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Alex116
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Posted - 01/29/2013 :  13:11:37  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by fat_elvis_rocked

I'll take a googleless stab at it!

I agree with Guest's

Bure, Mario and Bossy, and will add;

Neely and Tim Kerr( I think that was his name, played for Philly).

Now on to Google to see how far off I was!



Kerr might be one FER but i don't think Neely played long enough to get there. What a shame too, he was fun to watch, even though i never liked the Bruins.
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Guest0625
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Posted - 01/29/2013 :  16:08:30  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Guest4350
I can only think of 3 off the top of my head. Mario, Bossy and P Bure.


So if Bure is out, how about the Rocket? He may have played for a long time but he didn't play many games in a season.

Can't think of anyone else without googling or hockeydb'ing.
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slozo
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Posted - 01/30/2013 :  04:39:09  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Great question Beans. 450 goals . . . less than a thousand games. Hmm.

Bossy sounds right - but he'd be close to a thousand games, so I am not super sure on that one.

Maurice "Rocket" Richard is another good guess I agree with.

Mario Lemieux should be under a thousand games I think? Not sure, but I'll throw him in too.

I don't think Neely got that many goals, not 450 I'll wager. Hmm, still two short . . .

Ok - Pat Lafontaine, I'll say . . . and . . . hmm . . .
Cripes, this is tough.

Bossy, Rocket Richard, Lemieux, Lafontaine, and . . . I'll throw in . . . Ah! I got one. Kevin Stevens.

Now I go to look it up after posting . . .

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slozo
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Posted - 01/30/2013 :  05:10:08  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hunh! I got 4 out of 5, pretty proud of that

But of note, there are actually 6 players, since one player did play less than a thousand games and scored exactly 450 goals (and I didn't guess him correctly either).

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Alex116
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Posted - 01/30/2013 :  08:33:23  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by slozo

But of note, there are actually 6 players, since one player did play less than a thousand games and scored exactly 450 goals (and I didn't guess him correctly either).

"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug



Ah, but Slozo...Beans' question said ".....score more than 450 goals...."!!! Nice try though.

I got busy and forgot to check yesterday, but googled it this morning for the correct answers.

Beans? Beans? Next question please.....
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Beans15
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Posted - 01/30/2013 :  15:51:32  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Next question?? This one is not answered yet.

Bossy, Lemieux, LaFontaine, Richard are correct.

Still missing one that scored MORE than 450 goals.

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Alex116
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Posted - 01/30/2013 :  16:19:13  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Beans15

Next question?? This one is not answered yet.

Bossy, Lemieux, LaFontaine, Richard are correct.

Still missing one that scored MORE than 450 goals.





Well, in fairness to those of us who've tried and didn't ruin it after we googled it........It's been on here a day and a half and traffic is unusually slow around here. You could move on and chalk it up to a good tough question and just give the answer up, even though i'm sure most of us who tried have already googled the answers!!!
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Guest4095
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Posted - 01/30/2013 :  17:18:57  Reply with Quote
Alexander Mogilny............next question please.
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Alex116
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Posted - 01/30/2013 :  17:20:45  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Guest4095

Alexander Mogilny............next question please.



Beans, i promise, that wasn't me signed in as a guest after having googled the answer!
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Beans15
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Posted - 01/30/2013 :  21:27:14  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Well done google, I mean guest. Mogilny was the missing player.

Hats off to Slozo for mentioning a playerwho scored 450 in less than 1000 games. That was Peter Stasny.

Those who mentioned Bure, he had 437 in 702.


I will toss out the next question but if anyone else wants to offer a question they are more than welcome.



Since 1980 there were three players who have won multiple Stanley Cups with two different teams. Name them without using google.

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Alex116
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Posted - 01/30/2013 :  22:34:50  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Beans15

Well done google, I mean guest. Mogilny was the missing player.

Hats off to Slozo for mentioning a playerwho scored 450 in less than 1000 games. That was Peter Stasny.

Hat's off to GOOGLE!!! LOL.....


quote:
Originally posted by Beans15

Since 1980 there were three players who have won multiple Stanley Cups with two different teams. Name them without using google.





1. Patrick Roy (obvious choice)
2. Claude Lemieux (just not sure if he won more than 1 in Col?)
3. Paul Coffey? (def had multiple in Edm, but not sure about Pitt?)

Doubt these are correct as i'm assuming there's at least one "obscure" 3rd or 4th line role player or defender in there? I' won't Google it until i see what other say and if anyone can come up with it.

Good question!

Edited by - Alex116 on 01/30/2013 22:45:52
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