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| Awesome One |
Posted - 10/29/2010 : 21:08:36
7-4
Hell has frozen over.
So the guy walks into the bar with a dog and starts to watch the oilers game. They score and the dog does a flip in the air. The bartender says "That was cool, what does he do when they win?" to which the guy replies "I don't know, I've only had him for 15 years." |
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| Guest2962 |
Posted - 11/09/2010 : 21:58:00
Hurricanes beat the living #!@? out of the Oilers 7-1 |
| nuxfan |
Posted - 11/09/2010 : 08:53:12
quote:
But a clarification for Beans/Alex bet: Alex proposed that for him to win, the Blackhawks cannot finish top 4 . . . which means, Beans, the Hawks could finish second in the division and fourth in the conference and you'd still win the bet.
Its actually the Beans/nuxfan bet... but yes, I have bet that CHI will finish 5th or worse in the conference, regardless of divisional placement. CHI could finish second in the division and still win the bet, and if they win their division Beans wins automatically. I am essentially betting that CHI will a) not win their division and b) be bested by one of LA or SJ for 4th.
The only reason I chose an essay was because Beans has pretty much bet everything else he owns on this site with other people. 
I believe that Beans has a bet with Alex regarding STL making the playoffs. |
| ToXXiK1 |
Posted - 11/09/2010 : 07:02:51
When & if you do a "bet thread" it should only contain the bets, no comment, keeps it short, clean and easy to find. Just a thought.... |
| n/a |
Posted - 11/09/2010 : 06:22:58
A bet thread is a good idea . . . I already can't remember whether MY Leafs have to finish 11th, 10th or 9th for me to win. I think it was 10th, but I'm a little fuzzy on it right now.
But I have to give big props to Alex for thinking about this essay thing . . . that is an awesome wager. I really love how we are getting so inventive about this wagering thing. For me, having Beans proudly wear that Maple Leafs avatar for the entire run of the playoffs was worth at least $50, maybe more . . . at any rate, it's fun to watch, even for the ones not involved in the bet.
But a clarification for Beans/Alex bet: Alex proposed that for him to win, the Blackhawks cannot finish top 4 . . . which means, Beans, the Hawks could finish second in the division and fourth in the conference and you'd still win the bet.
Seeing as how tough/tight the other two divisions are shaping up to be . . . it is certainly not out of the realm of possibility.
"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug |
| ToXXiK1 |
Posted - 11/09/2010 : 02:00:33
I'm thinkin' you guys need to start a bet thread to keep track. |
| Alex116 |
Posted - 11/01/2010 : 16:28:22
quote:
Originally posted by Beans15
I am not going to give you the freebie, but there is a member of the Vancouver Canucks that I dislike more than any other, and he has not been named yet.
I am thinking I will reserve my choice until I find out what player completely punishes the Canucks in the playoffs. Byfuglien is not going to do in this year, but someone will. When they do, that player will become your newest favorite player.
This is the best bet of the year so far!!!
More hatred than Burrows AND Kes? C'mon Beans, if that's the case, you've been holding something in for a loooonnnnggg time!  My other guesses would have to be:
a. Luuuuuuuuuuuuuuu (cuz of the chants after routine saves / dump ins....
b. AV
c. Gillis
d. The entire organization. So much hatred you can't narrow it down?
Otherwise, i can't imagine a guy on the Canucks who non Canuck fans could despise more than Burr / Kes ?
ps. Did Raffi Torres hit on your wife while playing with the Oil or something? |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 11/01/2010 : 15:24:35
I am not going to give you the freebie, but there is a member of the Vancouver Canucks that I dislike more than any other, and he has not been named yet.
I am thinking I will reserve my choice until I find out what player completely punishes the Canucks in the playoffs. Byfuglien is not going to do in this year, but someone will. When they do, that player will become your newest favorite player.
This is the best bet of the year so far!!!
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| nuxfan |
Posted - 11/01/2010 : 14:57:52
mathematically, the odds are in my favour, but realistically, I think they are in yours. I don't really think that CHI is capable of finishing worse than 5th, really they are still a good team - unless something goes very wrong in CHI or something goes very right in another market. So I'm really betting that CHI will finish as low as I think they can, while you have 2 spots to play with.
At this point, its early in the season, so anything could happen.
Alex - I may change later, my initial thought was Kesler or Burrows. Rypien would also be, erm, difficult |
| Alex116 |
Posted - 11/01/2010 : 14:39:14
KESLER KESLER KESLER!!!! Make him praise the "MEATBALL"!!!
Interesting bet, though it'd get pretty confusing if you had injury spec's in it. Could get pretty complicated, prob a good thing Beans has agreed to play it straight up!
With all this wagering, we may need a wagers "sticky" so we don't lose track of them!!! |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 11/01/2010 : 13:33:59
Done. I accept the offer and will not need any type of insurance. Although thinking about it, it ultimately means that Chicago wins the division or beats the other 12 teams outright. Mathmatically, the odds are in your favor. However, I like the terms of the bet.
That being said, Burrows is not the worst you could to do hit me so I will allow you to change your choice at the time the bet is decided.
Cheers |
| nuxfan |
Posted - 11/01/2010 : 12:18:51
oh, and to confirm your worst fears, I will tell you that Burrows will be your subject should you lose... |
| nuxfan |
Posted - 11/01/2010 : 11:54:16
your avatar, and signature, and $25 monopoly bux? You bring precious little to the table mister!
OK, here is my proposed bet:
I bet that CHI does not finish top-4 in the western conference this season, you bet that they do.
My proposed stakes - the loser must write a 100 word post regaling any player that the winner chooses - a sort of "why I love {player X}" post. The post must be heartfelt, original, full of praise and highlights of awesomeness, and must be defended vigorously by the original poster anytime someone disagrees, within 1 week of the offending post.
Do you want to have significant injury outs, or just as-is? I'm happy to give an out if CHI experiences significant injuries for a long-ish duration - like Toews and Hossa both out for a month+, stuff like that... in return I would ask for similar outs for DET and LAK - because, really what I'm betting here is that CHI will not beat DET for the central division title (thus missing top-4), and will lose out to either SJ or LAK for 4th place on overall points. I don't realistically think that CHI will finish lower than 5th, at least at this point in the year. |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 11/01/2010 : 10:38:37
I have my avatar, my signature, and I think it's either $20 or $25 monopoly dollars. I can't remember.
If you are interested in the Chicago bet, I definitely am. Regardless of the players they lost, they have a solid top 6 forward crew, top 4 defensive crew, and I believe an upgrade in net. Furthermore, they have some grit and youth on that team that will compensate for what they lost. Honestly, if there is anything from last year's team that is missing, it's the big body in Byfuglien.
Other than that, Chicago is every bit as good as they were last year. They are just finding their sea legs.
What's the Bet?? |
| nuxfan |
Posted - 11/01/2010 : 09:55:39
haha. but, say, just in case the universe goes sideways and those other bets don't go your way - what have you already put up in other bets? Your avatar and sig? |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 11/01/2010 : 08:54:38
quote:
Originally posted by nuxfan
what have you not currently bet already this season?
What does it matter??
I know I have a winning bet with Alex for where STL finish and I have a winning bet with Slozo on where TO finishes.
Soon, I will have another winning bet regarding Chicago.  |
| Awesome One |
Posted - 11/01/2010 : 06:51:06
Look, the west seems to be totally up for grabs right now:
San Jose and Vancouver are out of playoff spots at the moment.
All five central division teams are in playoff spots.
Los Angeles is in 1st.
The Oilers are in last...oh wait, that's not surprising!
You bet your *** it's early!
There was once a license plate in Toronto that abbreviated "Go Leafs" it read "Golfs". |
| nuxfan |
Posted - 11/01/2010 : 00:22:58
what have you not currently bet already this season? |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 10/31/2010 : 21:15:23
Who said San Jose was the team to beat in the West last season?? I would have said the team to beat at the start of last season would be Stanley Cup finalist and a season removed from the Cup winners in the Detroit Red Wings as the team to beat.
It would be an assumption that SJ was my team to beat, which they were not.
Chicago's top 4, name your bet. Or do you just bet on the absolute sure thing??? |
| nuxfan |
Posted - 10/31/2010 : 17:05:49
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Well I would take that bet too! It's far easier to take any of the 14 other teams to win rather than one to win. Secondly, Chicago did not win the West last year either! I don't think I ever said that Chicago would win the West, although I could see how people would think that from my comment that Chicago is still the team to beat in the West.
Last year at this time, CHI was not "the team to beat in the west", SJ was - and true to form, they were the winners of the conference, and all season long were indeed the team to beat.
When you say a team is "the team to beat", that indicates that they are the best, and all other teams will be trying to beat them - so yes, I was assuming that you were calling them to win the conference.
Your top 4 statement is intriguing... I don't know if I pick them to finish in the top 4 this year - which is not necessarily a slight against CHI as much as praising the anticipated level of competition for spots 4-6 in the conference. But hey, its still early in the year yet. |
| polishexpress |
Posted - 10/31/2010 : 16:33:12
I agree that Chicago is still "the team to beat" in the sense that there is yet a team in the west that is showing itself far superior to the rest of the competition.
And, remember, it is an 82 game season, so I could care less if one of those 82 games, Chicago lost to Edmonton, especially if Chicago still makes the playoffs seeded in a 1-4 position. Chicago would still be the defending champ, and the team that you can't count out, even if they were in 8th position at season's end.
As a side note, check Niemi's stats this year, and compare them to his teamate Nittymaaki'. I bet Chicago is not regretting their decision to walk away. Chicago doesn't need Patrick Roy in net, Turco will do! |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 10/31/2010 : 10:03:48
Well I would take that bet too! It's far easier to take any of the 14 other teams to win rather than one to win. Secondly, Chicago did not win the West last year either! I don't think I ever said that Chicago would win the West, although I could see how people would think that from my comment that Chicago is still the team to beat in the West.
Ultimately, they still are the team to beat. No one has proven themselves at this point the season as head and shoulders above anyone else. As Slozo said, SJ and Van both have gotten off to a weaker start and Phoenix are proving they were a flash in the pan last season. It's far too early in the season to say anything about who has lost who and what. Much like a team who adds a bunch of new pieces to improve it normally takes time to gel.
Ultimately, Chicago gave up the back end of their team, not the front end. If Quinville is as good of a coach as I believe he is than that team will be fine.
I am not foolish enough to make a bet like Chicago winning the West, but I would confidently say that Chicago will finish in the top 4 in the West. |
| nuxfan |
Posted - 10/31/2010 : 09:52:56
well, like I say, I'm happy to take that bet with anyone... |
| n/a |
Posted - 10/31/2010 : 08:16:34
First off - it's still early days. Vancouver and San Jose have very deep, good teams, but they also haven't been tearing it up.
The only two I count as being a bit more difficult to replace for Chicago from last year are Madden and Byfuglien, myself.
Byfuglien added a real monster, physical presence on some nights (Chicago fans go on and on about his inconsistency), and as we all know, he was a very key performer in the playoffs for one, maybe two rounds. But he was a big physical presence that could foecheck hard and score occasionally.
Madden chipped in 10 goals playing a very defensive role, usually playing against the other team's top line. He is a premier forward in terms of defensive play, and for the PK, and he also brought a ton of experience from his NJ days.
Those guys are tougher to replace, for sure.
As for Versteeg, he was a skilled player who most likely is a second liner on any other team, playing on the third line for Chicago. I could never call him a grinder though . . . not sure how you could call him that.
To me, it looks as if the replacement for Byfuglien was effectively Kopecky (probably a step down in physicality, a step up in points production), and for Madden it's perhaps Pisani (might be equal, with Pisani being quicker and more physical). Other pieces added, in my opinion, add up to a fairly equal replacement overall, although it's hard to tell right now.
Some of the replacements are, in fact, guys that moved up the ladder, already on Chicago - Bickell, Dowell, Skille.
I think the Hawks are just as good, but it'll take some time to gel as a team, and, heck - they just won the cup. It usually takes some time before the reigning champs start wanting it again.
"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug |
| nuxfan |
Posted - 10/30/2010 : 19:27:37
quote:
It's not dismantling when you are dropping 3rd and 4th line players. Frankly, those players are a dime a dozen. With the exception of Byfuglien, Versteeg, and Niemi every other player that Chicago dropped was not a key to the Cup. As Slozo said, Turco is potentially an up grade and with the exception of 4 games vs the Canucks, Byfuglien could have just as easily been in the press box.
Don't kid yourself, the core of Toews, Kane, Sharp, Hossa, Keith, Seabrook, and Campbell is still very strong and very capable in Chicago. Let's not forget the additions of Scott, Pisani, and Potulny fills in their 4th line for a grand total of $2 million and Boynton shores up possible the best top 6 defensive group in the NHL.
Chicago is still the team to beat in the West.
The Hawks of substance lost:
- Byfuglien
- Versteeg
- Ladd
- Burish
- Eager
- Sopel
- Madden
- Niemi
A few of those players are easily replaced - they got a good replacement in goal with Turco (streaky, but experienced). Eager is a typical 4th liner. Sopel will probably not be missed. However, Byfuglien/Versteeg/Ladd/Madden type players are not a dime a dozen. Byfuglien and Ladd are doing extremely well in ATL, and probably would have contributed in that way in CHI, Madden is one of the premier PK forwards in the league (still), Versteeg is a pretty skilled 3rd line grinder. All 4 of them were very integral parts of the CHI cup run, and are not easily replaced. All 8 of the players I mentioned were quality depth players that may be missed come April.
CHI kept their stars for sure, but at the expense of nearly their entire supporting cast, and that's hard to cope with. They've had a decent start - 6-5, 36g for and against. Certainly not spectacular, they're clearly scoring but they're having trouble keeping it out of the net as well.
If you think that CHI is the team to beat in the west, I'd be more than happy to take a bet with you that CHI will not finish first in the conference this season.
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| ToXXiK1 |
Posted - 10/30/2010 : 18:08:24
quote:
Originally posted by Beans15
Ya, Chicago is a completely craptastic team. Playing more games than any other team to this point in the season and they are still 5th overall. What a completely garbage team full of nothing but garbage players. Of course Edmonton would expose them for the fraud they are!
Honestly, anyone who watched the game would have seen Edmonton getting outplayed in virtually every area of the ice and save for a 1:05 stretch in the 1st period where the Oilers scored 3 goals, it would have been an Edmonton loss. Their defense is really weak and Khabibulin has been the MVP to this point, facing yet another game of more than 40 shots. When a team gives up 35+ shots every game they will lose more than they will win.
However, I will say that when clicking, the Oilers top 9 forwards are unbelievably dangerous. Last night was an example of that offensively speaking. Even more scary is that of their top 9 forwards(Hall, Eberle, Horcoff, Penner, Gagner, Hemsky, Svensson, Brule, and Cogliano) only 3 of them are older than 23 years old and only one is older than 30.
Skilled and Young = Bright Offensive Future in Edmonton. Still missing a blue chip defensive prospect and goalie after Khabibulin is done.
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Posted - 09/14/2010 : 09:57:34
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It's not dismantling when you are dropping 3rd and 4th line players. Frankly, those players are a dime a dozen. With the exception of Byfuglien, Versteeg, and Niemi every other player that Chicago dropped was not a key to the Cup. As Slozo said, Turco is potentially an up grade and with the exception of 4 games vs the Canucks, Byfuglien could have just as easily been in the press box.
Don't kid yourself, the core of Toews, Kane, Sharp, Hossa, Keith, Seabrook, and Campbell is still very strong and very capable in Chicago. Let's not forget the additions of Scott, Pisani, and Potulny fills in their 4th line for a grand total of $2 million and Boynton shores up possible the best top 6 defensive group in the NHL.
Chicago is still the team to beat in the West.
Also a quote from Beans.
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| Awesome One |
Posted - 10/30/2010 : 12:59:54
I can't stand the Oilers, but I have to agree with Beans.
They have a scary, young team. Many good players, all young, good coach, I wouldn't be surprised if they won the cup in 5-7 years.
There was once a license plate in Toronto that abbreviated "Go Leafs" it read "Golfs". |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 10/30/2010 : 12:53:37
Ya, Chicago is a completely craptastic team. Playing more games than any other team to this point in the season and they are still 5th overall. What a completely garbage team full of nothing but garbage players. Of course Edmonton would expose them for the fraud they are!
Honestly, anyone who watched the game would have seen Edmonton getting outplayed in virtually every area of the ice and save for a 1:05 stretch in the 1st period where the Oilers scored 3 goals, it would have been an Edmonton loss. Their defense is really weak and Khabibulin has been the MVP to this point, facing yet another game of more than 40 shots. When a team gives up 35+ shots every game they will lose more than they will win.
However, I will say that when clicking, the Oilers top 9 forwards are unbelievably dangerous. Last night was an example of that offensively speaking. Even more scary is that of their top 9 forwards(Hall, Eberle, Horcoff, Penner, Gagner, Hemsky, Svensson, Brule, and Cogliano) only 3 of them are older than 23 years old and only one is older than 30.
Skilled and Young = Bright Offensive Future in Edmonton. Still missing a blue chip defensive prospect and goalie after Khabibulin is done. |
| Awesome One |
Posted - 10/30/2010 : 12:52:37
Nuxfan, the Hawks have Kane, Toews, Hossa, Keith, Seabrook, Campbell, and Sharp who is leading the league in goals. They are still a very good team.
There was once a license plate in Toronto that abbreviated "Go Leafs" it read "Golfs". |
| Utemin |
Posted - 10/30/2010 : 11:58:00
Hossa is injured and Turco is not the most reliable goalie.
Still a shock, but don't get over excited by the win they still let in 4 goals.
The Monkey is me |
| nuxfan |
Posted - 10/30/2010 : 10:47:15
quote:
I didn't think it would change much, but Chicago's offseason firesale is really affecting them.
You can't get rid of 10 players over one summer and not have it affect your team. CHI has been pretty inconsistent this year so far, they're either playing awesome or ....well, like last night. So go teams with Turco in goal. |
| Awesome One |
Posted - 10/30/2010 : 07:57:41
I didn't think it would change much, but Chicago's offseason firesale is really affecting them.
I know it's early, but they are at an even .500 if you include their OT. loss.
Weren't they supposed to be destroying everyone now?
There was once a license plate in Toronto that abbreviated "Go Leafs" it read "Golfs". |
| Guest3170 |
Posted - 10/30/2010 : 07:46:27
finally the other team is screwed by the ref |
| Oilearl |
Posted - 10/30/2010 : 07:14:08
NICE...... the kids are alright sure fun to watch.  |
| ToXXiK1 |
Posted - 10/30/2010 : 02:16:25
Woot ! |
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