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| nuxfan |
Posted - 11/13/2010 : 13:35:13
Not sure on the breakdown, but it averages 5.2M/year over the life of the deal. Its interesting, I was sure that after this summer's fiasco we had seen the end of the long NHL contract.
However, good lockup for PHI, they now have Richards, Carter, and Pronger locked up for the next 7 years, and Richards and Carter for likely their careers, and not at bank-breaking cap hits. |
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| Utemin |
Posted - 11/19/2010 : 17:33:00
Alex 116 leave your Trash talk for the ice or on the Trash Talk channel, though I am not offended as the awesome one says just lay off rude comments about my post. shout I sign you because you mouth or type off at other people on a blog site?
The Monkey is me |
| Awesome One |
Posted - 11/19/2010 : 15:04:26
quote:
Originally posted by Utemin
Im sorry I brought Horcoff up. can you get back on to Jeff Carter now?
The Monkey is me
One of the things I love about the forums is that they always veer off onto different subjects.
There was once a license plate in Toronto that abbreviated "Go Leafs" it read "Golfs". |
| Awesome One |
Posted - 11/19/2010 : 15:02:56
quote:
Originally posted by Alex116
quote:
Originally posted by Awesome One
Do I have a hate for Beans? ARE YOU KIDDING ME?
Beans is a legend on this site, ever since I started reading this he has been my idol on the forums.
Easy now, Beans is gonna flag you with a "stalker" alert if you're not careful
Okay then, just lay off the rude comments about my posts.
There was once a license plate in Toronto that abbreviated "Go Leafs" it read "Golfs". |
| Alex116 |
Posted - 11/18/2010 : 16:35:13
quote:
Originally posted by Awesome One
Do I have a hate for Beans? ARE YOU KIDDING ME?
Beans is a legend on this site, ever since I started reading this he has been my idol on the forums.
Easy now, Beans is gonna flag you with a "stalker" alert if you're not careful |
| Awesome One |
Posted - 11/18/2010 : 15:05:59
quote:
Originally posted by Alex116
[quote]Originally posted by Awesome One
I'm sure as hell Horcoff didn't do it, almost every team has two better centers than Horcoff.
Anaheim: Getzlaf, Koivu
Atlanta: Antropov, Peverly
Boston: Savard, Krejci, Bergeron
Buffalo: Roy, Connolly
Calgary: Jokinen, Langkow
Chicago: Toews, Sharp,
Colorado: Stastney, Duchene
Dallas: Richards, Ribero
Detroit: Datsyuk, Zetterberg
Montreal: Gomez, Plekanec
New Jersey: Zajac, Arnott
Ottawa: Spezza, Fisher
Philadelphia: Richards, Carter, Giroux
Pittsburgh: Crosby, Malkin, Staal
San Jose: Thornton, Setoguchi
Tampa Bay: Stamkos, Lecavalier
Vancouver: Sedin, Kesler
Washington: Backstrom, Laich
There are a lot of teams where Horcofff would be on the third line, and some where he'd be on the fourth.
There was once a license plate in Toronto that abbreviated "Go Leafs" it read "Golfs".
Lol....i'm pretty sure that if Beans said Horcoff has had 4 50+ pt seasons in the past 5, then he prob has. However, i'd argue that you shouldn't have to search for other 2nd line centers with those #'s seeing as Horcoff's been their #1 center, from what i can recall, for the past few years. Is he not still the #1 Beans? Or is Gagner finally taking that roll??
As for your list of other teams centers who are better than Horcoff, your list, which in reality is just YOUR opinion, brought a good laugh my way when i skimmed through it and saw names like Langkow, Arnott (at this stage of his career?) and especially Setoguchi. Not sure, but it seems you have a hate on for Beans, the Oilers or S. Horcoff? Perhaps a combination of the 3? No one's been saying that Horcoff is not overpaid, but to argue that he's a sub 2 mil /year 3rd or 4th liner is assinine! 
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Sorry, misread Beans' comment about Horcoff having 4 50 points seasons in the last five years.
Do I have a hate for Beans? ARE YOU KIDDING ME?
Beans is a legend on this site, ever since I started reading this he has been my idol on the forums.
Yes, that is my opinion, I just don't think Horcoff's that good anymore.
There was once a license plate in Toronto that abbreviated "Go Leafs" it read "Golfs". |
| Pasty7 |
Posted - 11/18/2010 : 11:16:06
also do not forget when you play for a crap team (sorry beans ) you put out crap numbers,, Take Thomas Plekanec for example 37 points 2 years ago because he played with Alex Kovalev who likes to play a certain way,, bam along comes Cammalleri and all of a sudden Plekanec is a 70 point scorer why? because Cammy and plek play the exact same way cycle along the boards or attack fast very fast off the rush and take a quick shot... hockey is a team sport
Pasty |
| Alex116 |
Posted - 11/18/2010 : 07:52:59
quote:
Originally posted by Awesome One
I'm sure as hell Horcoff didn't do it, almost every team has two better centers than Horcoff.
Anaheim: Getzlaf, Koivu
Atlanta: Antropov, Peverly
Boston: Savard, Krejci, Bergeron
Buffalo: Roy, Connolly
Calgary: Jokinen, Langkow
Chicago: Toews, Sharp,
Colorado: Stastney, Duchene
Dallas: Richards, Ribero
Detroit: Datsyuk, Zetterberg
Montreal: Gomez, Plekanec
New Jersey: Zajac, Arnott
Ottawa: Spezza, Fisher
Philadelphia: Richards, Carter, Giroux
Pittsburgh: Crosby, Malkin, Staal
San Jose: Thornton, Setoguchi
Tampa Bay: Stamkos, Lecavalier
Vancouver: Sedin, Kesler
Washington: Backstrom, Laich
There are a lot of teams where Horcofff would be on the third line, and some where he'd be on the fourth.
There was once a license plate in Toronto that abbreviated "Go Leafs" it read "Golfs".
Lol....i'm pretty sure that if Beans said Horcoff has had 4 50+ pt seasons in the past 5, then he prob has. However, i'd argue that you shouldn't have to search for other 2nd line centers with those #'s seeing as Horcoff's been their #1 center, from what i can recall, for the past few years. Is he not still the #1 Beans? Or is Gagner finally taking that roll??
As for your list of other teams centers who are better than Horcoff, your list, which in reality is just YOUR opinion, brought a good laugh my way when i skimmed through it and saw names like Langkow, Arnott (at this stage of his career?) and especially Setoguchi. Not sure, but it seems you have a hate on for Beans, the Oilers or S. Horcoff? Perhaps a combination of the 3? No one's been saying that Horcoff is not overpaid, but to argue that he's a sub 2 mil /year 3rd or 4th liner is assinine! |
| Awesome One |
Posted - 11/18/2010 : 06:45:23
quote:
Originally posted by Beans15
quote:
Originally posted by Awesome One
quote:
Originally posted by Beans15
Bias has nothing to do with it. No legitimate 2nd line centre in the league makes less than $4 million who is not still in a rookie contract.
If they were advertising a Shawn Horcoff toy the label would read:
INSTANT 3RD LINE CENTER, JUST ADD A DIFFERENT TEAM.
There was once a license plate in Toronto that abbreviated "Go Leafs" it read "Golfs".
3rd line centre?? Give your head a shake man. That's a joke!! Tell me another 3rd line player in the NHL that had 4-50 points seasons in the past 5 years??? Hell, I bet there are only about 1/2 of the 2nd line players in the NHL that have done the same!!
I'm sure as hell Horcoff didn't do it, almost every team has two better centers than Horcoff.
Anaheim: Getzlaf, Koivu
Atlanta: Antropov, Peverly
Boston: Savard, Krejci, Bergeron
Buffalo: Roy, Connolly
Calgary: Jokinen, Langkow
Chicago: Toews, Sharp,
Colorado: Stastney, Duchene
Dallas: Richards, Ribero
Detroit: Datsyuk, Zetterberg
Montreal: Gomez, Plekanec
New Jersey: Zajac, Arnott
Ottawa: Spezza, Fisher
Philadelphia: Richards, Carter, Giroux
Pittsburgh: Crosby, Malkin, Staal
San Jose: Thornton, Setoguchi
Tampa Bay: Stamkos, Lecavalier
Vancouver: Sedin, Kesler
Washington: Backstrom, Laich
There are a lot of teams where Horcofff would be on the third line, and some where he'd be on the fourth.
There was once a license plate in Toronto that abbreviated "Go Leafs" it read "Golfs". |
| Alex116 |
Posted - 11/17/2010 : 22:03:07
quote:
Originally posted by Utemin
Look at how Kesler plays, his speed is to extreme amounts and you can put him on any line and he will play like an all-star, Carter is the player you want on your first line his work ethic is lower then keslers, does not skate as fast, but has more natural playing skill.
Though Carter may be the slightly better player I would sign Kesler instead because Kesler is good at Mouthing off at the other team.The Monkey is me
Is this meant to be humorous??? The more of this crap you post, the more i begin to think you're a troll, just one with a screen name i suppose. I swear 90% of your posts are utter nonsense either meant to get your post count up, or simply to stir the pot? |
| Utemin |
Posted - 11/17/2010 : 21:16:32
quote:
Originally posted by Pasty7
quote:
Originally posted by Utemin
Kesler is easily as good as Carter if you consider what Kesler can do.
The Monkey is me
Carter is every bit the denfensive player that Kesler is , Carter is just as big tough and hits as hard and Carter puts up more goals .. so what exactly does Kesler do that Carter doesn't do as good or better?
Pasty
Look at how Kesler plays, his speed is to extreme amounts and you can put him on any line and he will play like an all-star, Carter is the player you want on your first line his work ethic is lower then keslers, does not skate as fast, but has more natural playing skill.
Though Carter may be the slightly better player I would sign Kesler instead because Kesler is good at Mouthing off at the other team.
The Monkey is me |
| Pasty7 |
Posted - 11/17/2010 : 21:12:20
quote:
Originally posted by Utemin
Kesler is easily as good as Carter if you consider what Kesler can do.
The Monkey is me
Carter is every bit the denfensive player that Kesler is , Carter is just as big tough and hits as hard and Carter puts up more goals .. so what exactly does Kesler do that Carter doesn't do as good or better?
Pasty |
| Utemin |
Posted - 11/17/2010 : 21:11:01
quote:
Originally posted by Beans15
quote:
Originally posted by Awesome One
quote:
Originally posted by Beans15
Bias has nothing to do with it. No legitimate 2nd line centre in the league makes less than $4 million who is not still in a rookie contract.
If they were advertising a Shawn Horcoff toy the label would read:
INSTANT 3RD LINE CENTER, JUST ADD A DIFFERENT TEAM.
There was once a license plate in Toronto that abbreviated "Go Leafs" it read "Golfs".
3rd line centre?? Give your head a shake man. That's a joke!! Tell me another 3rd line player in the NHL that had 4-50 points seasons in the past 5 years??? Hell, I bet there are only about 1/2 of the 2nd line players in the NHL that have done the same!!
Im sorry I brought Horcoff up. can you get back on to Jeff Carter now?
The Monkey is me |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 11/17/2010 : 19:59:30
quote:
Originally posted by Awesome One
quote:
Originally posted by Beans15
Bias has nothing to do with it. No legitimate 2nd line centre in the league makes less than $4 million who is not still in a rookie contract.
If they were advertising a Shawn Horcoff toy the label would read:
INSTANT 3RD LINE CENTER, JUST ADD A DIFFERENT TEAM.
There was once a license plate in Toronto that abbreviated "Go Leafs" it read "Golfs".
3rd line centre?? Give your head a shake man. That's a joke!! Tell me another 3rd line player in the NHL that had 4-50 points seasons in the past 5 years??? Hell, I bet there are only about 1/2 of the 2nd line players in the NHL that have done the same!! |
| Utemin |
Posted - 11/17/2010 : 18:55:22
Kesler is easily as good as Carter if you consider what Kesler can do.
The Monkey is me |
| Awesome One |
Posted - 11/16/2010 : 15:39:36
quote:
Originally posted by Beans15
Bias has nothing to do with it. No legitimate 2nd line centre in the league makes less than $4 million who is not still in a rookie contract.
If they were advertising a Shawn Horcoff toy the label would read:
INSTANT 3RD LINE CENTER, JUST ADD A DIFFERENT TEAM.
There was once a license plate in Toronto that abbreviated "Go Leafs" it read "Golfs". |
| Guest4873 |
Posted - 11/15/2010 : 17:45:07
I think this is a great signing for Philly and believe Carter took a pay cut....58 million poor guy....to stay in Philly. This allows them to keep the team together. Will be interesting to see if this becomes a trend....good organizations being more attractive to players and loading up long term.
The other great signing for them is Giroux! Im not a Flyers fan but that guy is becoming one of my favourite players. Can't believe there isn't more talk about him?
Like somebody else said, looks like the Philly fans are going to have something to cheer about for the next few years.... at least. |
| Pasty7 |
Posted - 11/15/2010 : 13:22:57
see though beans i'll up the ante,,,, 5.75 for Richards 5.2 for Carter 5.35 for Geztlaf for a grand total of 16.3 million vs. Crosby for 8.7 Malkin 8.7 for a total of 17.4 million. Again Crosby is better than all three of these guys but how much better? I would argue that Malkin is better than both Carter and Richards but again how much? and i would dare say Geztlaf is better than Malkin. if you ask me i deffinetly would take Carter and Richards over Malkin Crosby with the idea of signing another big gun for a similar cap hit!
Pasty |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 11/15/2010 : 06:45:50
quote:
Originally posted by Pasty7
question for you guys would you rather,,, Carter Richards as your 1 and 2 centers at 5.2 and 5.75 million per year respectivly or Crostby Malkin at 8.7 each.... i personnaly think i would rather pay 10 million $ to two amazing 2 way forwards who can both consistently put up 30 plus goals and a point per game or damn close than pay 17.4 million to two players who are extremly talented one of which is better than both Richards and Carter all the way around but the other i would argue is on par with Carter and Richards.. I know Malkin and Crosby are better than Richards Carter but for 7 million more per season... you could sign 2 guranteed 20 goal scorers for that or another player of Carter or Richards calibre!
Pasty
Interesting argument. With Crosby and Malkin you are getting 2 of the top 3-5 players in the league. You are working with Art Ross winners, Hart winners, NHL 1st team all stars in Crosby and Malkin.
I would also point to both teams making the finals with their respective superstar and one team won the Cup.
I go with Crosby and Malkin personally, but it is a tough argument. |
| Pasty7 |
Posted - 11/14/2010 : 21:22:56
question for you guys would you rather,,, Carter Richards as your 1 and 2 centers at 5.2 and 5.75 million per year respectivly or Crostby Malkin at 8.7 each.... i personnaly think i would rather pay 10 million $ to two amazing 2 way forwards who can both consistently put up 30 plus goals and a point per game or damn close than pay 17.4 million to two players who are extremly talented one of which is better than both Richards and Carter all the way around but the other i would argue is on par with Carter and Richards.. I know Malkin and Crosby are better than Richards Carter but for 7 million more per season... you could sign 2 guranteed 20 goal scorers for that or another player of Carter or Richards calibre!
Pasty |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 11/14/2010 : 21:04:36
quote:
Originally posted by Awesome One
quote:
Originally posted by Beans15
Yes Horcoff is overpaid, but $2 million?? C'mon. The guy is one of the best defensive forwards in the NHL. He kills penalties, plays on the PP, and has seasons in the high 60's/low 70's. Sure, he is overpaid, but $2 million is a joke.
Horcoff is a less than $5 million but more than $4 million player. Multi-dimensional player.
BIAS!!!!!!!!!!
Horcoff has been underacheaving for the past three years ever since he signed that fat contract.
There are a whole lot of players who are better than Horcoff who make a lot less.
There was once a license plate in Toronto that abbreviated "Go Leafs" it read "Golfs".
Last year was the first year of Horcoff's new contract. The year before has has 50 pointas and the year before that he has 50 points in 53 games before getting injured. He had 4 straight 50+ point seasons as well as a 70 point season in there.
I liken Horcoff to Mike Fisher, who is a $4 million player.
Bias has nothing to do with it. No legitimate 2nd line centre in the league makes less than $4 million who is not still in a rookie contract. |
| Awesome One |
Posted - 11/14/2010 : 19:29:13
quote:
Originally posted by Beans15
Yes Horcoff is overpaid, but $2 million?? C'mon. The guy is one of the best defensive forwards in the NHL. He kills penalties, plays on the PP, and has seasons in the high 60's/low 70's. Sure, he is overpaid, but $2 million is a joke.
Horcoff is a less than $5 million but more than $4 million player. Multi-dimensional player.
BIAS!!!!!!!!!!
Horcoff has been underacheaving for the past three years ever since he signed that fat contract.
There are a whole lot of players who are better than Horcoff who make a lot less.
There was once a license plate in Toronto that abbreviated "Go Leafs" it read "Golfs". |
| irvine |
Posted - 11/14/2010 : 18:49:50
Jeff Carter is worth $5.2M per year, cap hit. No question about it.
Carter is a sniper in the NHL, who can and will produce between 30-40 goals, per season. Likely, closer to the 40 side when healthy all season.
He can also play the PK, using his size and speed, along with puck moving ability, to keep the puck out of the defensive zone.
He can play two-way hockey, effectively. But he can also net you 40 goals a season. Well worth the $5.2
Irvine/prez. |
| n/a |
Posted - 11/14/2010 : 13:17:33
Great signing by Philly. Sucks that they are going to have such a solid team for a good long while, even with the eventual departure of Pronger.
sigh
"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 11/14/2010 : 07:42:24
Yes Horcoff is overpaid, but $2 million?? C'mon. The guy is one of the best defensive forwards in the NHL. He kills penalties, plays on the PP, and has seasons in the high 60's/low 70's. Sure, he is overpaid, but $2 million is a joke.
Horcoff is a less than $5 million but more than $4 million player. Multi-dimensional player. |
| Awesome One |
Posted - 11/13/2010 : 17:22:51
SERIOUSLY he's making less than Horcoff?
The Oilers are suckers, Horcoff should be making less than 2 million!
Salaries are crazy and illogical!
There was once a license plate in Toronto that abbreviated "Go Leafs" it read "Golfs". |
| Utemin |
Posted - 11/13/2010 : 15:53:08
quote:
Originally posted by Awesome One
The only thing that doesn't make sense about this one is that he is only making 1.2 million more than Backes. I really think that Carter is a lot better than Backes.
There was once a license plate in Toronto that abbreviated "Go Leafs" it read "Golfs".
he is also making less than Horcoff and Vanek.
Sure he is worth 6 million but when dealing with 11 year deals you don't want to go that high.
The Monkey is me |
| Awesome One |
Posted - 11/13/2010 : 15:10:03
The only thing that doesn't make sense about this one is that he is only making 1.2 million more than Backes. I really think that Carter is a lot better than Backes.
There was once a license plate in Toronto that abbreviated "Go Leafs" it read "Golfs". |
| nuxfan |
Posted - 11/13/2010 : 14:56:57
Interesting note - most recall the offer sheet that PHI offered Kesler back in 06 - it was significant because it was the first offer sheet presented after the new CBA and was widely criticized around the league at the time, and VAN management was criticized by fans for matching as well...
Anyhoo, during the whole event, there was a lot of speculation that the two sides tried to work out a trade, and the rumour given the most merit was Carter for Kesler straight up. According to the same rumour mill, VAN rejected the deal. Looking back, that might have been a good deal for VAN to take.
I only recalled because Beans brought up Kesler |
| nuxfan |
Posted - 11/13/2010 : 14:50:15
I can actually get behind Carter for more than 5M per year honestly...I think he took a discount in exchange for duration.
Had he signed a Kesler or Backes-type 4-5 year deal, the hit would have been higher IMO. |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 11/13/2010 : 13:43:09
See, I can get behind Carter for $5 million a lot faster than I can $5 million for Kesler or $4 millon and change for Backes.
At least in Carter I see a 40 goal player that is still young and getting better as well as a great 2 way player. Big, strong, fast. Everything a coach wants in the centre.
With Carter and Richards both locked up for more than a decade it is obvious what the core of the Philly team is. Add in Giroux, Briere, Pronger, Meszaros, Timonen, and Hartnell all signed through 12/13 at the least means Philly's should be a power house for at least the next 3 seasons after this one. |
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