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| Guest4688 |
Posted - 12/13/2010 : 20:52:30
Where is He going.??? |
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| MyTeamRules |
Posted - 12/15/2010 : 20:06:29
Sorry Nuxfan I thought you meant 2million/year.
Nabakov should go to Tampa if he gets an offer from both Washington and Tampa, Simply Because, Washington is trying to get Varlamov into the league, Nabakov will only play 3/4 of the games, where on Tampa They are having Major goalie issues and he will play 4/5 of the games. |
| Guest4093 |
Posted - 12/15/2010 : 19:01:55
Niemi has had one season in the NHL. He prooved that he could step up and get enough of the job done that they needed. Not saying Niemi is better than Nabokov. Simply saying Nabokov hasn't been good enough to be these elite goalie people make him out to be, Givin the talent he has had around him.
Numbers are such a silly thing to judge a goalie by.. i'm not an idiot. I can search numbers on google to. Anders Lindback of the Nashville Predators has a SV% of .931 does that mean he's elite to? |
| Alex116 |
Posted - 12/15/2010 : 15:00:36
I knew this was gonna go this way as soon as i'd posted earlier in the thread. To the guest(s), what you are saying is that Niemi is more proven than Nabokov simply because for one playoff season, he rode an excellent team with an incredible balance of offense, defense, youth, speed, grit, etc to a cup? Interesting, look at his numbers since then, ironically, with the Sharks, Nabby's old team. He's under .500, his GAA is over 3 and his save% under .900? Lemme ask you this: While this might just be a mini slump or an adjustment to a new team causing this, IF he continues with these numbers for the next 10 years, will he still be more "proven" than Nabokov???
I guess the only thing i can't argue is the true meaning of "proven". Yes, Niemi and other goalies who i'd consider far inferior to Nabokov (in his prime especially) who've won the cup, have "proven" just that, they CAN win the cup. But in some cases, their teams have won that cup in spite of them! They've just been along for the ride. *Note, i'm not saying Niemi is in this class just yet, but there definitely are others.... |
| nuxfan |
Posted - 12/15/2010 : 09:18:16
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Look. Niemi and michael leighton could lead there teams to the stanley cup, so i'm saying. Why couldn't Nabokov? That says something. I'm trying to say, he's not nearly as great as people say he is. "8 million a year" for a guy who hasn't been there. This has nothing to do with CEO of a business.
First - Niemi and Leighton did not lead their teams to the cup - they were more hanging on for the ride. Niemi had a couple of shining moments in the playoffs last year, but he had a pretty poor GAA and SV% for a cup winning goalie. Leighton only played roughly half the playoffs! Did you think that the best parts of either CHI or PHI last year were their goaltenders?
There are questions around his ability to lead a team to the cup. In fairness to Nabokov, I don't lay much of SJ blame on his goaltending - I believe Beans posted his playoff stats above, if you have better than .915 sv% and less than 2.5 GAA in the playoffs, one might conclude that there were other factors in SJ's playoff failure, no?
I do agree that he might be worse than his stats indicate - certainly playing for a team like SJ allows you to collect more wins than you might playing for TOR or EDM. But to say that Nabokov is not "established" is ludicrous. |
| Guest7595 |
Posted - 12/15/2010 : 08:31:30
I see Bobby Orr on commercials every year which feature hockey. Rockey Richard has an award named after him which they announce EVERY year. How can you even say you don't hear there names? |
| Guest7595 |
Posted - 12/15/2010 : 08:24:09
And correction on Nabokov's stats in Russia.. 8-8-5. 5 games below "500".
Sure he is a good goaltender. He's definitly prooved that. But paying 8 million for him is ridiculous. Espcially givin his "big game" experience. Might i add the olympics last season? He hasn't prooved himself in those big games. A contending team will look at that. If they want him, they'll be looking to pay no more than 2 million for the rest of this year |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 12/15/2010 : 08:18:27
Joseph is the only goalie on that list to not make it to the Finals. Hextall did it in 87, winning the Conn Smythe as the losing goalie. He also has a vezina. Vanbiesbrouk did it twice(96, 01) and also has a vezina, hart nomination, world hockey championship, Olympic silver medal, and is in the HOF.
So what's it your point? People don't talk about them often means they were garbage?? I rarely hear the name Gordie Howe, Rocket Richard, or Bobby Orr any more but that doesn't mean they were not good.
Don't confuse old with bad. It's simply not the case. |
| Guest7595 |
Posted - 12/15/2010 : 08:12:33
Look. Niemi and michael leighton could lead there teams to the stanley cup, so i'm saying. Why couldn't Nabokov? That says something. I'm trying to say, he's not nearly as great as people say he is. "8 million a year" for a guy who hasn't been there. This has nothing to do with CEO of a business. |
| nuxfan |
Posted - 12/15/2010 : 07:51:43
so you're only "established" in your career if you end up one step from the highest possible achievement that can be made in hockey?
Sort of like saying you're not established in your own career until you are vying for CEO of your company. Does that make sense to you? |
| Guest1747 |
Posted - 12/15/2010 : 06:47:06
i could be wrong but kolzig was in the stanley cup finals, so he's been there. How often do you ever hear the names of kolzig and Vanbiesbrouk? even joseph's name disapeared once he retied. The didn't win the cup. Nabokov hasn't even played for it. Kolzig has |
| ToXXiK1 |
Posted - 12/15/2010 : 00:47:36
Washington or TB, my $ is on Washington. |
| nuxfan |
Posted - 12/14/2010 : 23:14:56
guest - what does nabby need to do to prove himself? |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 12/14/2010 : 20:57:38
Unpro'o'ven???
Nearly 300 NHL wins. 3 consecutive 40 wins seasons, 6 total 30+ wins seasons, .914 save % career, 2.39 GAA career.
A better GAA and same save % in the playoffs???
Yep. If I am thinking about unproven goalies, that's the one that comes to mind. There are various goalies who have been stellar through their careers without seeing a Stanley Cup. Curtis Joseph, John Vanbiesbrouk, Olaf Kolzig, and Ron Hextall come to mind.
Nabokov is absolute a top teir NHL goalie. The only reason he is not playing is because of money. There are at least 6-7 teams that would take him if the money was right. |
| Guest1791 |
Posted - 12/14/2010 : 20:25:09
You can't judge a goalie based on SV% and GAA unless there signifigantly off (8.00-8.90 SV%) (3.00+ GAA) or way above average. Wasn't blaming Nabokov for everything, simply saying he is UNPROOVEN. how can you say he is? as a goalie, your the quarter back of football. If your off, your chance for success is low.
People make him sound better than he is because at the end of the day, he racked up those solid numbers with the likes of Heatley, Thornton, Marleu, Boyle, Clowe and Blake. Yet, has he even seen the stanley cup? |
| nuxfan |
Posted - 12/14/2010 : 09:15:52
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2million for Nabokov, he would be a nut to take that. Even if he didn't put numbers up in Russia he is at least worth 4 million.
I should clarify - if he gets 2M for the rest of the year, that is the same as a 4M/year deal. |
| Alex116 |
Posted - 12/14/2010 : 09:08:30
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Originally posted by Guest1747
MyTeamRules. you realize its almost halfway through the season right? by saying nabokov should get 4 million for the remainder of the season? so he's worth 8 million a year... nuh uh. Nabokov is technically an unprooven goalie. sure his regular seasons have been top 5 most years, but only a contender would want him right? what contender wants a goalie who couldnt lead the san jose sharks (with all there talent in every position) to the stanley cup.
Taking away whatever he's done this year, the part i bolded above is absolutely absurd! Why is it this guy is constantly blamed for SJ's failures? He's actually got better playoff GAA and SV% than regular season numbers. He's def not the one who should be blamed for SJ's failures IMO. |
| Guest1747 |
Posted - 12/14/2010 : 08:43:44
MyTeamRules. you realize its almost halfway through the season right? by saying nabokov should get 4 million for the remainder of the season? so he's worth 8 million a year... nuh uh. Nabokov is technically an unprooven goalie. sure his regular seasons have been top 5 most years, but only a contender would want him right? what contender wants a goalie who couldnt lead the san jose sharks (with all there talent in every position) to the stanley cup. |
| nuxfan |
Posted - 12/14/2010 : 00:20:40
MTR, it wasn't so much no one wanted Nabby, rather Nabby wanted more money that anyone was willing to pay. I recall during the summer rumours that he was looking for 4yr/16M deals. No bites. And that was after a stellar several years with SJ, as you pointed out.
He *might* get 4M on a 1 year deal for the remainder of this year, but a team would be nuts to pay him 4M per on a multi year deal after the Russian experiment (record of 8-8, 3.02 GAA, .888 SV%). |
| MyTeamRules |
Posted - 12/13/2010 : 22:25:16
"Opinion" Nabby was the best goalie in the league last year, if not Anderson, or Miller; so I don't see why any one didn't sign him. The League could use Nabokov back.
Obviously from this comment you can guess Nabokov was my favourite goalie (2004-2010) LIVE LONG!
2million for Nabokov, he would be a nut to take that. Even if he didn't put numbers up in Russia he is at least worth 4 million.
(Yep im going to get bombed for this post I feel it ) |
| nuxfan |
Posted - 12/13/2010 : 21:20:13
TB has both goaltending issues and cap space. I don't know if they would want to go the Nabokov route - were they in the running for his services before the season?
Nabby could probably be had on the cheap though - he was not putting up great numbers in Russia, I think his release for "family reasons" was not all of it. If he needs to come back and prove himself again, perhaps the remainder of the year for 2M, something like that... |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 12/13/2010 : 21:16:16
I am guessing home to begin with.
I would not suggest he is going anywhere anytime soon. Other than Washington and San Jose, I don't see a contender with serious goalie issues. Furthermore, how much is the greedy dude gonna want to come back over the Atlantic??
Unless there is a big name injury, he won't be back in the NHL. |
