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| foolpittier |
Posted - 12/27/2010 : 08:34:55
just a thought, but would jersey trade parise to the stars for richards. it would no doubt help kovalchuk get out of his monster slump, and parise would fit in alright in dallas.
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| Beans15 |
Posted - 12/28/2010 : 09:32:46
I don't know the exact wording of the agreement, but the basics is that a team can not resign a player until they are in the final year of their current deal. So, technically, NJ could sign him today to a 1 yr deal for the '11-'12 season. Then, once the season started then could sign him to a long term deal effective at the start of the '12-'13 deal.
No different than any other team can do with their players. It's virtually the same as what you are talking about and there is nothing against the rules with that process. |
| nuxfan |
Posted - 12/28/2010 : 09:04:43
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Cap circumvention?? I would say no as if they did sign him to a 1 year-$5 million deal I believe he would then be a UFA the next year so there is a risk to the Devils if Parise was to leave the next year.
My proposal was to sign him to 2 different contracts at nearly the same time:
contract 1: 1 yr @ 4M-ish, thru 2011/12
contract 2: the biggie (7-10 yr @ 6M-ish).
This would allow them to get around having extra baggage next year, but I don't know if this is cap circumvention. You're basically getting year 1 of a longer term deal at a lower cap hit than the next contract.
There is no risk to NJ, as they have Parise locked up beyond his UFA status with contract 2 |
| Mario 66 |
Posted - 12/28/2010 : 07:00:54
Being a pens fan i would love to see parise on the wing for any of our three centres but 5 first round picks is a pricy pill for any team to swallow. It is fairly safe to say that pitt would be constantly a 23 - 30 draft pick each of those five yrs but it is very possible in those 5 yrs that nj may locate a gem late in the round which may turn out to have been more valuable then parise at a much cheaper rate. Not to mention i hate throwing big money at a player just coming off a serious injury as there is no certainty that it will not remain a lingering issue. Also, even though the pens are young now 5 yrs from now they will still be in their primes but much later on in their 20's or some early 30's which will warrant a pay increase to even their roll guys and without those quality draft picks to take up a roster spot at a low rate you are bound to loose a lot of your quality guys as chicago did this yr
Foolpittier while I personally do not like throwing big money at a guy returning from injury if Parise isn't deserving of 7 million a yr with the point totals he consistently puts up all while playing in a defensive minded system then their are many players earning that type of money who are extremely overpaid. Not to mention Parise is also soild in his defensive zone.
Parise is easily a top 5 overall (offensive & defensive) forward so i dont wanna see anyone giving a malkin, ovechkin,stamkos etc rebutal to that. Not to mention he is only coming into the prime of his career so he will only get better baring further injury.
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| Beans15 |
Posted - 12/28/2010 : 06:54:11
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Originally posted by nuxfan
Beans - the problem with Rolston is that he must be traded, his contract is over 35. His salary still counts towards the cap even if they bury him in the minors.
NJ is in an interesting situation - they will have 6M in space for next year, but after 2011/12, another 10M comes off the books in Rolston, White, and Salvador - which is the 10M that is handcuffing them right now. Perhaps they get creative with Parise, and sign him to a 1 year deal for 5M-ish thru next year, and then another deal that kicks in for 2012/13 that is the biggie - many years for many dollars. I don't know, just thinkin'. Would this be considered cap circumvention?
Guest - the Parise unhappy rumour has been going around, although no one knows how true it is. If it is true, then all this is moot and Parise will probably be traded next year.
Rolston could be picked up on re-entry waivers costing the Devils only 1/2. That is about their best option.
Cap circumvention?? I would say no as if they did sign him to a 1 year-$5 million deal I believe he would then be a UFA the next year so there is a risk to the Devils if Parise was to leave the next year.
I still think Parise will get a 4ish year deal for around $5 million a season.
Let's not forget that there is a big CBA negotiation next spring and there are issues with the current structure on both sides. Because of this, many GM's will be signing shorter term deals until the understand what the new CBA will bring.
Regardless, short term or long term, Parise is not going anywhere. |
| dummy101 |
Posted - 12/28/2010 : 05:45:45
Parise would sure look good on Crosby's wing and with Pitts young team 5 first rounders wouldn't matter.If they were not in the same div I could see Malkin mixed in.Help both teams a lot if NJ has the potential for that much cap room,6-11 mill. |
| foolpittier |
Posted - 12/28/2010 : 02:29:31
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Originally posted by Guest0977
From what I hear parise isn't happy in jersey anymore, the kovulchuk s*** killed their dressing room. Jersey would be smart to trade Parise for a decent roster player, a big name prospect and a couple draft picks, kinda what they gave up for Kovulchuk last year. Its time for them to rebuild, I think thats quite apparent.
i heard the same thing thats what made me think... parise wants out jersey needs a center and dallas wants to free up some money. parise in my eyes is not a 7mil kinda player yet
and may never be. |
| nuxfan |
Posted - 12/27/2010 : 18:20:30
Beans - the problem with Rolston is that he must be traded, his contract is over 35. His salary still counts towards the cap even if they bury him in the minors.
NJ is in an interesting situation - they will have 6M in space for next year, but after 2011/12, another 10M comes off the books in Rolston, White, and Salvador - which is the 10M that is handcuffing them right now. Perhaps they get creative with Parise, and sign him to a 1 year deal for 5M-ish thru next year, and then another deal that kicks in for 2012/13 that is the biggie - many years for many dollars. I don't know, just thinkin'. Would this be considered cap circumvention?
Guest - the Parise unhappy rumour has been going around, although no one knows how true it is. If it is true, then all this is moot and Parise will probably be traded next year. |
| Guest0977 |
Posted - 12/27/2010 : 17:25:29
From what I hear parise isn't happy in jersey anymore, the kovulchuk s*** killed their dressing room. Jersey would be smart to trade Parise for a decent roster player, a big name prospect and a couple draft picks, kinda what they gave up for Kovulchuk last year. Its time for them to rebuild, I think thats quite apparent. |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 12/27/2010 : 16:10:56
As I said in another thread, NJ has over $6 million in cap space freed up with 2 players next season. If they dump Rolston, it will be over $11 million.
Parise is not going anywhere. He signs next season for a 4ish year deal worth between $20-$25 million leaving Jersey another $6ish million to fill in their roster. I would not be surprised to see them chase Kaberle in the offseason and try ot get their team back to a respectable level very soon. |
| nuxfan |
Posted - 12/27/2010 : 09:53:10
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I like the proposal the only thing is both are UFA's at the end of the season, so, if they are unable to keep Richards there is no way they would be able to resign parise who would be asking for more money over a longer term.
Parise is RFA, not UFA next year, which will be a definite advantage to whatever team holds his rights. No one will make an offer sheet because at his level (7M+ per year), the cost in draft picks is steep, 5 first rounders I think.
This trade makes no sense. The only reason that DAL is going to trade Richards is if they cannot afford to resign him. If they have 7M per year to sign Parise, then they have the money to sign Richards. And they need a centre more than a winger (DAL might have one of the best group of top-6 wingers in the league).
At this point though, I don't even know if DAL will trade Richards this year. Richards was going to be a salary dump/player dump for a team that was going to finish out of the playoffs - but they are currently leading their division and look certain to finish in the playoffs this year. Any serious run in the post season will require Richards. |
| Mario 66 |
Posted - 12/27/2010 : 09:24:13
I like the proposal the only thing is both are UFA's at the end of the season, so, if they are unable to keep Richards there is no way they would be able to resign parise who would be asking for more money over a longer term.
With both players only being helpful to the stars for this yr I think they would be best to stick with the healthy one 
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| foolpittier |
Posted - 12/27/2010 : 09:02:57
true, him being injured isnt a great selling point. like i said , it was just a thought with little thought put into it. |
| semin-rules |
Posted - 12/27/2010 : 08:58:06
Isn't parise done for months and months if not the season?
It looks like Dallas doesn't need him |
| doublechamp7 |
Posted - 12/27/2010 : 08:53:46
Not when Parises hurt but maybe when he is healthy it would work.
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