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| Alex116 |
Posted - 03/23/2011 : 22:05:36
Anyone hear or read the interview with Mark Recchi today in regards to the Chara / Pacioretty incident? He's being criticized by some for saying what he did on the eve of the big game tomorrow night in Boston and of course others don't think it was wrong of him at all.
The other argument now out there is whether or not the Canadiens were making Pacioretty's injuries seem far worse than they actually were in an attempt to get Chara suspended. Keep in mind, home ice between these two heated rivals is at stake.
Opinions, on both Recchi's comments AND the question of whether or not the Habs were trying to get Chara suspended?
ETA....oops, here's the link i forgot......
http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/nhl/blog/puck_daddy/post/Recchi-Canadiens-embellished-Pacioretty-s-injur;_ylt=Au0duF5Q2rZixIA6YM_gfYQJfwM6?urn=nhl-wp943 |
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| Guest0375 |
Posted - 03/26/2011 : 15:04:52
Recchi's team.
It's funny, there's a huge long discussion here. Almost everyone is saying how disrespectful Recchi's actions were....oh the outcry...etc etc. A couple of us spoke out on his side. Two things:
1. Recchi was very clear in his entire statement. He wished Pacioretty the speediest of recoveries etc, he wasn't commenting on Pacioretty's actions, but the team's handling of the entire incident. I think that is a distinction worth merit.
2. Bruce Boudreau essentially said the same thing in a later interview. The comment that made the headlines was "don't come to the games" but the most interesting (or at least relevant to this discussion) comment was his theorizing that MTL's reaction would have been quite different if that was Hal Gill hitting Daivd Krejci.
I couldn't agree more, and that's why I'm on Recchi's side. |
| Guest6135 |
Posted - 03/26/2011 : 11:06:13
i'm don't think recchi should have come out and said it the way he did, but i agree with what he did say. Montreal definitely played up the hit and the injury, seeing as they had the police launch a criminal investigation on Chara. Typical French |
| Pushrod |
Posted - 03/26/2011 : 10:39:33
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Originally posted by Guest6546
I agree completely. Concussions are probably the hardest injury to diagnosis for a recovery timeline.
But that is no reason to assume the very worst from the get go.
Ex. Malhotra suffered an actual season ending injury last week. You didn't hear Vancouver announcing that the night of the injury, or even the next day. They said he is stable, we are waiting for a proper diagnosis. When they got one, a week later, they announced it to the public.
I would say Vancouver handled that injury much better than Montreal handled Pacioretty's.
I don't think you can disagree with that.
Fair enough. I don't think it was the concussion that caused the uproar though, but could be wrong. I think everyone heard the broken vertebrae piece and made wrong assumptions on what timelines for recovery were depending on the specific injury. Probably a knee jerk reaction with the emotion of the moment.
Back to the point of the forum topic, I don't think it was Montreal doing it on purpose to try and elicit a suspension. While it could have possibly be handled differently, Recchi saying what he did was not appropriate and disrespectful to the player and downplays what the league is, or should be, trying to do to make it safer. And I'm not a Habs fan so I'm not wearing any bleu, blanc et rouge sunglasses  |
| Guest6546 |
Posted - 03/26/2011 : 10:21:35
I agree completely. Concussions are probably the hardest injury to diagnosis for a recovery timeline.
But that is no reason to assume the very worst from the get go.
Ex. Malhotra suffered an actual season ending injury last week. You didn't hear Vancouver announcing that the night of the injury, or even the next day. They said he is stable, we are waiting for a proper diagnosis. When they got one, a week later, they announced it to the public.
I would say Vancouver handled that injury much better than Montreal handled Pacioretty's.
I don't think you can disagree with that.
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| Pushrod |
Posted - 03/26/2011 : 10:16:43
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Originally posted by Guest6546
Team Recchi.
I didn't bring up the Savard comparison, someone else did. It was my point exactly that the two did not compare. Re read my post.
Pacioretty could have been hit a couple of miliseconds sooner and could have easily escaped any harm at all. How does that statement make any less sense than you saying he could have almost died?
Due diligence does not mean assume the worst, then be happy when it works out better. It means taking the time to reach the right conclusion. Exactly what the Pens did. Crosby was initially listed as day to day, when they did the full diagnosis, they extended his timeline. Pacioretty was initially listed as never able to play again, and now he will be skating in weeks. You tell me which method makes more sense?
Furthermore, if MTL was doing their due diligence, wouldn't they have held Pacioretty back from going to a movie within the week? Or maybe by then they already knew the injury was not that serious. Pick one, you can't have it both ways.
And finally, calling me a tool? As a moderator, shouldn't you be enforcing discussion guidelines - and not be resorting to name calling?
Oh but right, I'm the neanderthal here.
While I won't call you a neanderthal, you certainly are ignorant. Just because the end result ended up being significantly better than what was initially forecast, does not downplay how serious the incident was or could have been. Any time an injury like that results in a cervical spine fracture you know the situation was indeed very serious until stability is ensured. Concussions are so variable that it is very hard to predict who will be light sensitive for months vs who could go to a movie within a week. What is holding someone back from a movie going to do anyways, he can either tolerate it or he can't, it's not going to make the situation any worse or better.
Regardless of his motive, Recchi's comments were certainly a display of poor form. As Beans said, take Chara's approach and wish him well no matter what you think. It's just another display of the lack of respect being shown amongst players today, whether his comment was directed at Montreal as an organization or Pacioretty, doesn't make a difference to me. |
| Guest6546 |
Posted - 03/26/2011 : 09:55:49
Team Recchi.
I didn't bring up the Savard comparison, someone else did. It was my point exactly that the two did not compare. Re read my post.
Pacioretty could have been hit a couple of miliseconds sooner and could have easily escaped any harm at all. How does that statement make any less sense than you saying he could have almost died?
Due diligence does not mean assume the worst, then be happy when it works out better. It means taking the time to reach the right conclusion. Exactly what the Pens did. Crosby was initially listed as day to day, when they did the full diagnosis, they extended his timeline. Pacioretty was initially listed as never able to play again, and now he will be skating in weeks. You tell me which method makes more sense?
Furthermore, if MTL was doing their due diligence, wouldn't they have held Pacioretty back from going to a movie within the week? Or maybe by then they already knew the injury was not that serious. Pick one, you can't have it both ways.
And finally, calling me a tool? As a moderator, shouldn't you be enforcing discussion guidelines - and not be resorting to name calling?
Oh but right, I'm the neanderthal here. |
| n/a |
Posted - 03/25/2011 : 05:40:04
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Originally posted by Guest6546
I'm on Recchi's side.
If Max was up and about that weekend, the concussion wasn't that bad. Savard has spent his time recovering from a devastating concussion in a dark room - he can't stand light. He wishes he could go to a movie. He may never skate again, let alone play in the NHL. That is a very serious concussion.
The two do not compare.
Although Max's injuries were certainly serious, he will certainly be back playing in the NHL, perhaps even this season. The post on TSN the next day said he suffered career threatening injuries - although that may have been the worry at the time; that was not the case.
To reference someone above, he did not "almost die". He got knocked out. There is a huge, huge difference between the two. If you can't see that, the perhaps you should take off your bleu, blanc et rouge sunglasses.
Well, then you're a tool as well. An ignorant tool.
Pacioretty could have easily died, or been paralyzed on the play, the way it went down. A couple of more millimeters where the break on the vertebrae was over to the left/right . . . and he can't walk anymore.
To try and compare and contrast that Savard's concussion is ridiculous, a strawman, and pointless.
The Montreal staff did their due diligence, and they get criticised for it?
Try criticising the Pens staff first . . . THEY are the ones who should be criticised for NOT doing their due dilligence.
This is exactly the kind of neanderthal attitude we have to fight as hockey fans, guys . . . this defending the aggressor, defending the perpetrator attitude that is so prevalent in the NHL.
Brutal.
"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug |
| Alex116 |
Posted - 03/24/2011 : 21:46:51
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Originally posted by Beans15
Regardless, we are still mates. Even more so when I get another 25 bones out of you. I wonder how long I will let this bet ride??
A, a guy who likes to "let it ride"!!! Gotta be careful though, you have to collect sometime or eventually you'll lose one! Believe me, i've been there before!  |
| Guest6546 |
Posted - 03/24/2011 : 21:09:39
I'm on Recchi's side.
If Max was up and about that weekend, the concussion wasn't that bad. Savard has spent his time recovering from a devastating concussion in a dark room - he can't stand light. He wishes he could go to a movie. He may never skate again, let alone play in the NHL. That is a very serious concussion.
The two do not compare.
Although Max's injuries were certainly serious, he will certainly be back playing in the NHL, perhaps even this season. The post on TSN the next day said he suffered career threatening injuries - although that may have been the worry at the time; that was not the case.
To reference someone above, he did not "almost die". He got knocked out. There is a huge, huge difference between the two. If you can't see that, the perhaps you should take off your bleu, blanc et rouge sunglasses. |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 03/24/2011 : 20:06:47
Cheers Alex. I feel you dog. Your post sounded a little like a defence of Recchi. I get he was talking about the Habs and not Max P himself. However, it is the principle of it. Recchi shouldn't say anything negative about the situation in any way, shape, or form. Chara said something that was reasonable.
"Obviously I'm glad that he's doing much better and that's he's going to be probably playing, based on reports," Chara told reporters. "I'm glad that he's going to be fine and that's good news."
Clean, simple, non-personal. Classy.
Regardless, we are still mates. Even more so when I get another 25 bones out of you. I wonder how long I will let this bet ride?? |
| Alex116 |
Posted - 03/24/2011 : 19:15:22
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Originally posted by Beans15
Regardless of who the comment was directed towards, it is so not classy to talk smack about an injured player. We are not talking about a guy who might have embellished a call for a 2 minute penalty. We are talking about a guy who was completely unconscious on the ice after being pushed into the turnbuckle, hitting is squarely with the top of his head and breaking part of his back! Did the Habs pay off the Dr. to ensure the X-ray clearly displayed the break?? C'mon. It's totally strawman hit in the neck.
It doesn't matter who the comment was directed at, to say anyone would embellish a guy's injury after seeing that is just not classy. Sorry, no defense on that one.
Beans, unless i'm reading into this, i sense some hostility in your reply. Perhaps it's a case of the ol' "written words don't always read the way they're intended to"? If that's the case, i apologize, i don't mean to accuse you of anything, in fact i wanna thank you for answering EXACTLY what my OP asked!
My last post was just to clarify, after reading yours, that it wasn't Pacioretty that Recchi was accusing of exagerating or embelishing! In your post, you said ".... I am a little shocked and surprised to hear these comments from Recchi. This is not like an Alex Burrow who would stay down an extra second or two and wince while peaking up the at the ref to see if his arm is raised, the guy was completely out cold.
I've never met a person who can fake something like that.". That read to me, that seemed to imply you thought Recchi was blasting Pacioretty and i just wanted to clear that up.
Either way, i agree with you. After seeing the hit, i wouldn't dare say anything close to what he said. But, then again, i still am of the belief that Chara had some idea of what he was doing!
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| Beans15 |
Posted - 03/24/2011 : 18:31:04
Regardless of who the comment was directed towards, it is so not classy to talk smack about an injured player. We are not talking about a guy who might have embellished a call for a 2 minute penalty. We are talking about a guy who was completely unconscious on the ice after being pushed into the turnbuckle, hitting is squarely with the top of his head and breaking part of his back! Did the Habs pay off the Dr. to ensure the X-ray clearly displayed the break?? C'mon. It's totally strawman hit in the neck.
It doesn't matter who the comment was directed at, to say anyone would embellish a guy's injury after seeing that is just not classy. Sorry, no defense on that one.
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| Alex116 |
Posted - 03/24/2011 : 15:56:27
Personally i think the timing was really poor on Recchi's part being that it was the night before their next meeting. Some say he, as a veteran, is trying to deflect some of the attention away from Z, but i don't buy that.
What i think many people are missing here and Beans, you just kinda brought it up, is that Recchi isn't saying anything bad about Pacioretty. It's the Montreal Canadiens organization that he's referring to when he claims they've "embellished" or exagerated the injuries. I don't think you'll ever hear him, nor anyone else for that matter, claim that Pacioretty was "faking", "embellishing", etc seeing as he was out cold and regardless of intent or not, just suffered an absolutely horrific hit!
The issue that was mentioned today on the radio that made perfect sense was when they compared it to the Crosby concussion. Well, wasn't it the Pens who came out and originally said Sid would be out for about a week with a "mild" concussion? How long's it been now? I believe it was Bob McKenzie who suggested that teams not put any sort of degree or rating on a "brain injury" and leave that for the experts which can take some time. Personally, i feel that the Canadiens assumed he was concussed (who didn't?) and with the severity of the injury, it was more than likely quite severe! Does this mean they were trying to make it look worse than it really was? Maybe, but there's as good a chance at having Chara admit it was deliberate as there is hearing a team come out and admit they were exagerating an injury in an attempt to get a rival's star player suspended!!!
Well, game on, and i'm still at work......gonna have to finda way to duck outta here! |
| Guest0050 |
Posted - 03/24/2011 : 08:46:35
Put me in coach.---- You won't be disapointed. Leaf Fan,K.C.--Sarnia |
| Guest0050 |
Posted - 03/24/2011 : 08:44:29
One more thing.I know Mark Recchi has suffered from a concussion before.Did he know for sure how serious and how long before he would be back playing.No one knows for sure at first,How many day's before he was watching T.V.Did he ask Savard or Bergeron or say hey , you guy's have concussions,what are you doing watching T.V. or going out of your house. |
| Guest0050 |
Posted - 03/24/2011 : 08:37:10
It is great that the hab's player may be just fine in a bit,and that he MAY be back for some of the play off's.For the first few day's nobody including the best sports medican doctors in the world knew the degree of his injuries.We still may find out that he is injured more than anyone knows once he starts skating and taking part in full physical practice again.So he seems to be feeling a little good five day's after the incedent and has doctors permission to watch tevelision and attend a movie if he feels up to it.Does that mean he does not still suffer from concussion and still be in question how serrious his injuries may be.Montreal's press only said it doesn't look like his injuries are as serious as they believed the first few day's and that he could even possibly be back to see some playoff action.I wish i were in Montreals lineup tonight to give my personal coments to Recchi over his comments.You haven't seen Chara publicly say anything except sorry,it was totally unintentional and he did not know which player it was at the time the HOCKEY PLAY occured.Chara is a stand up guy and play's the game the only way he can---All OUT.That is why he is one of the best at his position.Where is Recchi's respect for the players and organization in this case.I'm surprised to here the comment's from him.Oh yea,I have met Mark Recchi before and now that I think more of that night maybe I'm not so surprised. Leaf-Fan. |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 03/24/2011 : 08:26:55
Although I am not so quick to lose all respect for a future HOFer's who been known as a class act for his entire career, I am a little shocked and surprised to hear these comments from Recchi. This is not like an Alex Burrow who would stay down an extra second or two and wince while peaking up the at the ref to see if his arm is raised, the guy was completely out cold.
I've never met a person who can fake something like that.
I get the rivalry thing, but this is really uncalled for and unexpected from a guy of Recchi's caliber and class. |
| Pasty7 |
Posted - 03/24/2011 : 05:36:19
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Originally posted by slozo
I used to have respect for the Recchi ball . . . not any more. What an absolute idiot for saying that.
And not just on the level that what he gives as evidence of "making injuries out to be worse than they are", as idiotic as that is. No, to say this after the player he is defending got a ZERO (0) games suspension, the player who got hit could have literally been killed on the play and was lucky to escape from it the way he has, and he comes out with this?!? Does he have even one moral fibre in his body?!? Seriously?
Coming from a veteran like he is, he comes off as even more of a tool (didn't want to use idiotic again).
This is just another fine example of the culture of hockey players . . . and why they could NEVER police themselves effectively.
"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug
the words from my mouth weather he was injured or he got up immediatly after the hit the play is still the same.. not to mention he is stirring the pot of an already pissed off team right before the game,,, clearly he is trying to get the habs off their game plan,, remember the only game the bruins won this year against the habs was when the habs tried to match them physically!
"I led the league in "Go get 'em next time." - Bob Uecker
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| n/a |
Posted - 03/24/2011 : 05:16:23
I used to have respect for the Recchi ball . . . not any more. What an absolute idiot for saying that.
And not just on the level that what he gives as evidence of "making injuries out to be worse than they are", as idiotic as that is. No, to say this after the player he is defending got a ZERO (0) games suspension, the player who got hit could have literally been killed on the play and was lucky to escape from it the way he has, and he comes out with this?!? Does he have even one moral fibre in his body?!? Seriously?
Coming from a veteran like he is, he comes off as even more of a tool (didn't want to use idiotic again).
This is just another fine example of the culture of hockey players . . . and why they could NEVER police themselves effectively.
"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug |
| ToXXiK1 |
Posted - 03/24/2011 : 02:01:18
Without doubt, this will be the series to watch, Bring yer Hardhats !!! |
| MrBoogedy |
Posted - 03/23/2011 : 23:47:38
Ok, I just heard Recchi's comments.... I've always liked him, but maybe my fan bias makes me inclined to think this, but he sounds like a douche. So pacioretty went to a movie four days after the hit, the injury (thankfully) turned out not to be as bad as everyone expected... but I don't see how in any way that can be interpretted as Montreal playing things up to get Chara suspended. Oh well, more fuel in the fire for a rivalry that is as good if not better than it's ever been in my lifetime. They may try to keep there emotions in check tonight because the game will be watched under microscope, but id they meet up in the playoffs like I hope they do, it will be a bloody battle worthy of a Roman Arena. Bring out the gladiators, queue the riotous shouting.... Game on!!!! |
| MrBoogedy |
Posted - 03/23/2011 : 22:20:19
I don't think they would go that low to gain an advantage... the hit looked brutal, everyone's seen it a million times now, most people assumed his carreer was done just from the severity of the hit, but luckily it didn't work out that way. I think in the beginning everyone just thought it was that bad.
I want to watch the recchi link so i can comment more extensively, but alas I'm at worked and this is one of the few websites i can get onto... links don't work.... damnit,. |
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