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| FutureKesler |
Posted - 04/20/2011 : 07:06:11
In 07 the canucks picked Patrick White. Ahead of......
P.K Subban
David Perron
Linus Omark
Mikael Backlund
Wayne Simmonds
Luca Caputi
Keith Aulie
Jamie Benn
Carl Gunnarson
Any Thoughts?
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| Alex116 |
Posted - 04/21/2011 : 11:39:03
4178....i do remember that "Doan draft"! It's fun looking back at those sorts of things and wondering, sorry for this Beans but, "What if...."???  |
| nuxfan |
Posted - 04/21/2011 : 09:09:16
one team that has a good record over the last 15 years or so - Washington. Since 2000, they have drafted:
2000:
- Brian Sutherby (26)
- Matt Pettinger (43)
2001:
- Jonny Oduya (221)
2002:
- Steve Eminger (12)
- Alex Semin (13)
- Boyd Gordon (17)
2003:
- Eric Fehr (18)
2004:
- Ovechkin (1)
- Jeff Shultz (27)
- Mike Green (29)
- Chris Bourque (33)
- Sami Lepisto (66)
2006:
- Niklas Backstrom (4)
- Semyon Varlamov (23)
- Michael Neuvirth (34)
2007:
- Karl Alzner (5)
2008:
- John Carlson (27)
- Brayden Holtby (93)
2009:
- Marcus Johanssen (24)
Granted, they've picked the bulk of their good picks in the first round, but they did make the most of those first round picks. |
| Guest4178 |
Posted - 04/21/2011 : 08:34:52
On googlemaps, Halkirk appears closer to Edmonton than Calgary, but that's nitpicking, and who wants to nitpick?!? :)
Agree with you Beans on everything else. The draft is a crap-shoot, and while I have not done the research to determine if the Canucks are "no better or worse than any other team," I would add that some teams have a great draft record (i.e. Detroit), and some teams do not. |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 04/21/2011 : 08:23:45
Just to clarify, Halkirk is a little further away that 'just outside of Edmonton." It is far closer to Calgary than Edmonton.
Every team has regrets with draft picks. Everyone knows their favorite teams biggest mistakes. How about the Oilers Zach Parise and then trading him for other draft picks from 2003 in MA Pouliot and JF Jacques??? Garbage. How about the Oilers trading Marty Reason and a 1st round pick to Boston for Sergei Samanov to see that draft pick turn into Milan Lucic. How about 1994 when the Oilers had the 4th and 6th overall picks and took Jason Bonsignore and Ryan Smyth while leaving players like Alfredsson, Vokoun, Nabokov, Tim Thomas, Marty Turco, Milan Hedjuk, and Chris Drury on the board??
Every single NHL team has garbage picks in their system. Hindsight is just that. Unless we are talking a top 5 pick (which have a 80%+ likelihood to make the NHL on a day to day basis), no team is great at drafting players, even the mighty Red Wings.
Consider each year a team will draft between 7-12 players(est) and very few of them make the NHL. I took a look at the Detroit draft picks between 1990(the last time they missed the playoffs) and 2007 (making the assumption that the players from the 08, 09, 10 draft are still developing). In that time frame the Red Wings drafted a total of 163 players. Of those 163 players, 112 (70%) of those players NEVER skated in an NHL game.
Arguably the best team in the NHL at drafting only sees 3 of their 10 draft picks EVER play a single NHL game. It is a lot closer to a 15% chance a draft pick actually becomes a day to day NHLer's.
The Canucks are really no better or worse than any other team. |
| Guest4178 |
Posted - 04/21/2011 : 07:58:09
Hey Alex – I bet the Oilers wish they followed your logic ("if they were picking between two guys ranked similar and one was a local boy, i'd say they should gamble on the local kid.") in the 1995 draft which was held in Edmonton.
The Oilers picked sixth that year, and despite the fans chanting "Doan Doan Doan" in Rexall (or Northlands Coliseum as it was called then), they decided to go with the "speedy" Steve Kelly. ("Speedy was their adjective in describing Kelly.)
Shane Doan grew up just outside Edmonton (in a small town called Halkirk), while Kelly was from Vancouver. Winnipeg had the seventh pick, and very quickly snapped up Doan, who went on to have an incredible NHL career. As for Steve Kelly, he was mostly a career minor-leaguer, with a few short stints in the NHL, scoring a grand total of nine goals in the NHL.
It's easy to point out oversights in the draft though, but this was a case where the fans had it right beforehand. This was not hindsight when the fans chanted Doan's name. It was foresight (and hometown hopes), and I bet the Oilers really regret letting that one slip away!
It looks like Doan may return to the very city which drafted him. I wonder what he thinks about that possibility? |
| Guest0270 |
Posted - 04/21/2011 : 07:36:16
Don't comment on how badly the Canucks draft without comparing them to other teams. Of course, Detroit is an anomaly - they seem to be able to draft exceptionally well year-after-year, but besides them, most of the other teams (including the Canucks) are pretty good.
As was already said, we drafted Kesler, Bieksa, Schneider, Hansen, the Sedins, Raymond, Edler, and took a chance on Burrows when nobody else would. Compared to 90% of the teams in the NHL, we've actually drafted pretty well. |
| Alex116 |
Posted - 04/20/2011 : 22:04:47
quote:
Originally posted by nuxfan
I'm not sure how the Canucks are idiots for not picking him up, but every other team other than BOS is OK.
Don't think i'd consider ANY team "idiots" for not drafting a guy, especially for not drafting a guy ahead of where he's ranked, but the only reason i'd question Vancouver would be due to the hometown kid theory. If they were picking between two guys ranked similar and one was a local boy, i'd say they should gamble on the local kid. BUT, i have to assume that they simply valued other guys more and didn't feel it was worth their while to risk over valuing a guy due to where he grew up? I'm sure this happens all the time and i'd be willing to bet that more often than not, a team gets the better player by avoiding the sentimental drafting mentality. |
| FutureKesler |
Posted - 04/20/2011 : 20:30:38
quote:
Originally posted by nuxfan
yeah, I don't recall how highly Lucic was ranked before the draft. I mean sure, hindsight is 20/20, but what about then?
When Lucic was drafted, he'd just finished a year in junior with 19 pts in 62 games - so its not like he was tearing it up. According to wikipedia, even the Bruins overlooked him with their first pick in the second round, as did nearly every other team, before they got him later at 50th spot. I'm not sure how the Canucks are idiots for not picking him up, but every other team other than BOS is OK.
Well, their were plenty of idiots as well. Such as St.louis picking Tomas Kana with the 31st pick, or Atlanta picking Riley Holzapel who had 20 points in 69 games last year for the chicago wolves, of the ahl
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| nuxfan |
Posted - 04/20/2011 : 20:21:03
yeah, I don't recall how highly Lucic was ranked before the draft. I mean sure, hindsight is 20/20, but what about then?
When Lucic was drafted, he'd just finished a year in junior with 19 pts in 62 games - so its not like he was tearing it up. According to wikipedia, even the Bruins overlooked him with their first pick in the second round, as did nearly every other team, before they got him later at 50th spot. I'm not sure how the Canucks are idiots for not picking him up, but every other team other than BOS is OK. |
| Alex116 |
Posted - 04/20/2011 : 20:08:43
quote:
Originally posted by FutureKesler
lucic was selected 50th in the 06 draft. Not 07. But the canucks picked only grabner with their pick that year. They traded their second rounder for Miko Norennen a goalie, (the 46th Pick), so you can really blame that on Dave Nonis.But still............LUCIC AS A CANUCK!
Kesler is the TRUE Nucks Captain.
Even still, this guy was loved so much as a Giant, why not make a trade for a draft pick that you could have used on him? Then again, i'm not sure where he was generally ranked and maybe the Bruins took a flyer on him and drafted him well before any team was going to and got lucky in that he has become a very good player! |
| FutureKesler |
Posted - 04/20/2011 : 17:22:18
lucic was selected 50th in the 06 draft. Not 07. But the canucks picked only grabner with their pick that year. They traded their second rounder for Miko Norennen a goalie, (the 46th Pick), so you can really blame that on Dave Nonis.But still............LUCIC AS A CANUCK!
Kesler is the TRUE Nucks Captain. |
| Alex116 |
Posted - 04/20/2011 : 16:23:51
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Originally posted by Guest4803
i think that same year we had the 33rd overall pick and took Tyler Ellington....Milan lucic was still availble at the time
This one def bothers me. While you shouldn't draft sentimentally and pick a guy higher than you have him ranked because he's a local, i think they really missed the boat here. Reminds me of the Grizzlies passing on Steve Nash!
I can only imagine how much the local fans would love watching Lucic in a Canucks jersey! Man, they loved him with the Giants, can you imagine??? I seriously think he'd have Trevor Linden status eventually had he landed here! |
| Guest4803 |
Posted - 04/20/2011 : 09:28:30
i think that same year we had the 33rd overall pick and took Tyler Ellington....Milan lucic was still availble at the time |
| nuxfan |
Posted - 04/20/2011 : 08:07:54
late first round picks can be crapshoots for sure - that was the 25th overall draft pick that year. I believe he is in his final year at U Minnesota, so who knows what the future holds. His best contribution to the Canucks though, was as trade bait to land Ehrhoff.
Some other draft picks:
Bryan Allen: 4th overall in 1998
Sedins: 2/3 overall in 1999
Bieksa: 151 overall in 2001
Kesler: 23 overall in 2003
Schneider: 26 overall in 2004
Edler: 91 overall in 2004
Hansen: 287 overall in 2004
Bourdon: 10th overall in 2005
Raymond: 51 overall in 2005
Grabner: 14 overall in 2006
With the exception of Allen, Bourdon and Grabner, this is much of the backbone of our current team. Looking at the above list, its hard to say we drafted badly...
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| Guest5289 |
Posted - 04/20/2011 : 07:38:34
corey perry was picked 28th in his draft year |
| Alex116 |
Posted - 04/20/2011 : 07:23:13
Any thoughts? Sure, i think they should have drafted someone else, perhaps one of those guys you listed? J. Been would be nice.
The draft is often a crap shoot. You aren't guaranteed you're getting a future NHLer and some guys who excel in junior just don't have success at the NHL level.
I'm not surprised at all if that's what you're asking. |
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