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| Alex116 |
Posted - 05/13/2011 : 09:04:12
http://www.montrealgazette.com/Weber+vows+remain+Nashville/4774602/story.html
Everyone, myself included, can stop drooling over Shea Weber. Although it was a real longshot due to his RFA status, many people were thinking up scenario's as to how this guy could end up on their favorite team!
He's likely to get a big raise in Nashville and may sign long term. With Rinne and Weber (as well as Suter, etc), their back end is solid. Now they just need to find some scoring. Rumours of Radulov returning is nice (for Nashville), but it's gonna take more than one flakey Russian to change their team dynamics!
Wonder how much Weber's Norris nomination is gonna cost them, and how much is it gonna cost them WHEN he wins it??? |
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| nuxfan |
Posted - 05/15/2011 : 14:48:39
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Weber isn't going anywhere and no one was saying otherwise
I think there is still some speculation that he may not end up in NSH. Weber is saying all the right things, NSH are saying all the right things, but honestly, if everyone wants the same thing, why hasn't a deal been done yet? Until that deal is signed, Weber's future is very up in the air, as it was back at the trade deadline.
The hotstove discussion last night was telling, and it echo's what I did the other day - to pay Weber that kind of money represents a huge departure from the up until now MO of Nashville, and they as an ownership group have to decide if they're ready to become a "team that spends at the cap" vs "a team that puts a good quality bargain team on the ice each year". Its not easy for a small market team to make that leap.
One thing I do question - is Weber worth an 8M/year cap hit? That would make him the highest cap hit for a defenseman in the NHL. Keith, Pronger, and Chara all make near that but have much more favourable cap hits. On a longer term deal, I see him getting less than 8M.
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Imagine if David Poile could spend to the cap
Sadly, David Poile will have to spend to the cap just to maintain his current team - raises to Weber, Suter, and Rinne will add more than 10M to his current payroll of 50M, which will nudge him right up against it. |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 05/15/2011 : 09:31:54
Slozo, did you mean Rinne??? Me thinks so. But yes, you can't expect those kind of goalie performances all the time.
Listening to the boys on CBC yesterday and although Weber has said he wants to stay in Nashville, his agent said Weber is not interested in much of a home town discount and the market value for a player like him is around $8 million/season. Add in Suter and Rinne both being RFA's in the next year and Nashville would likely have to spend around $20 million on lose three guys alone. That's a tough thing to do when you have an owner imposed cap of around $48 million.
I don't expect Weber to leave either, but the saga in Nashville in the next 18 months will be interesting. Imagine if David Poile could spend to the cap??? He has built a team that has the 5th most wins in the reg season and one of only 4 teams who have made the playoffs at least 4 times since the lock out. He has done that will a dollar store salary load and the best coach in the NHL.
Pretty amazing when you think about it. |
| n/a |
Posted - 05/15/2011 : 08:48:28
I agree with all here that Weber only gets traded if he demands a trade. And why would he? He continues to love playing for a great coach and is comfortable in the Nashville system they play, and as we see by this year, they are only a piece or two away from being one of the top contenders (admitting that they cannot expect Niemi Rinne to have consistent playoffs playing at that incredible level).
Generally, players don't demand trades from teams like Nashville that are outside contenders who are always in the hunt and perhaps not far away from a deep run.
"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 05/14/2011 : 10:09:23
Well of course Oiler fans are dreaming!!! So were Canuck fans when they were talking about Weber going there at the trade deadline. Weber isn't going anywhere and no one was saying otherwise. I brought that up in response to a comment (I believe by Alex) talking about everyone in Vancouver wanting him too!
There is a better than 90% likelihood that a #1 draft pick becomes a solid NHL player. There is a better than 60% chance the 1st overall pick becomes an all-star.
The #1 pick is not a sure thing, but it's about as close as it gets in hockey. |
| Guest4988 |
Posted - 05/14/2011 : 08:19:20
If that trade happened, it would be a steal for Edmonton. Shea Weber is easily the best player in it, as the # 1 pick is not a sure thing. Maybe Ryan Nugent-Hopkins will turn out to be great, but Weber already is. I cannot see David Poile making a trade like this. Oilers' fans are only dreaming. |
| nuxfan |
Posted - 05/13/2011 : 21:37:08
the only thing stopping that trade would be the other 28 teams looking to also acquire Weber. This guy is an absolute stud, a top-5 defenceman in the league capable of punishing hits, playing 30 minutes a night, and scoring 50 points a year with one of the weakest offensive teams in the league. And he's only 25 years old!
As decent as the proposed Oiler package is, someone would offer more value than Hemsky+first overall pick. Absolutely every team in the league would want to get their hands on a Weber. |
| Guest9235 |
Posted - 05/13/2011 : 21:07:55
I would make that trade in a heart beat. A guy like Weber does not come around often, the only other defensman in the league I would want over him is Doughty. I dont even think that deal is fair, that would be a steal in favour of the Oilers. |
| Alex116 |
Posted - 05/13/2011 : 17:32:40
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Originally posted by Guest0720
you are only forgetting one thing. Why the hell would nashville do that trade? Not a chance. Keep dreaming oiler fans.
I'm certainly not an Oiler fan, but that trade is not far off, if one thing happened. That would be Weber requesting a move. IF, he were to want out, which it appears he doesn't, and asked for a trade, it would make sense for both teams. IF you'd read the other posts, you'd note that Nashville is still pretty deep on D PLUS they'd get their hands on an offensive minded player with the first overall pick. Erat / Hemsky is somewhat of an even swap.
I don't think this trade will happen, and if it did, there might be another player or picks involved, but it's certainly not that far off of what COULD happen! It's not as though Oiler fans are piping off about a Horcoff for Weber deal. At least this one is realistic! |
| Guest0720 |
Posted - 05/13/2011 : 16:21:43
you are only forgetting one thing. Why the hell would nashville do that trade? Not a chance. Keep dreaming oiler fans. |
| Guest5052 |
Posted - 05/13/2011 : 13:27:26
I actually think Erat is not that far off Hemsky and may be better. Not as dynamic or offensively gifted for sure, but I do believe Erat is an excellent all round player and pretty good offensively. Underrated.
Weber is a stud D that would only be traded if he insisted upon it. First overall is nice, but I would guess that Nash would be looking for more immediate blue chip help.
I agree with the comments on suter, have always liked him and thought he was great in the playoffs.
I dont see much merit to that trade rumour, and if I was an Oilers fan would love it.
Edmonton will build a nice team, but in due course. |
| Alex116 |
Posted - 05/13/2011 : 12:21:17
I'd take that trade (if i were the Oilers) for sure! Maybe it's my man crush on Weber ? I'm not a huge Hemsky fan. I know what he brings and if he could stay healthy and develop some chemistry in Nashville, it'd be a very even trade in the end. Both teams would be getting what they need! Nashville is deep at D and Suter imo is very underappreciated throughout the league!
Erat is a guy who i think could be a 70pt guy in the right environment. He's consistently 50+ on a very defensive team and i'd think he'd easily add 15-20 points on a more wide open offensive team. Not saying Edm is THAT team (yet) but with some of the talent they have up front, it's possible.
Overall, fairly even trade and it satisfies both teams' needs! |
| ginks40 |
Posted - 05/13/2011 : 11:40:34
Agreed, it does look like a great deal for the Oilers.
It addresses a huge need - a stud defenceman. Whitney and Weber would be a fantastic top pairing.
With the young crop of talent coming up, Hemsky's services seem to become somewhat expendable. Depending on how many games Hemsky plays, the loss of him would be somewhat offset (not entirely mind you) by Erat's consistent ~50 points/year since the '03/'04 season (he was just under at 49 points three times in that span).
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| Beans15 |
Posted - 05/13/2011 : 11:37:31
He wouldn't get near that trade as Edmonton fans are brain-washed into thinking that Hemsky is more than what he is. Also, they are brain washed that this 1st round draft pick is the final piece to winning the Cup, which should happen next year.
I would take Erat and Weber for Hemsky and the 1st. It's a reasonably even trade for both teams. Nashville still has depth as defense, adds a more dynamic player than Erat at the forward spot, and gets a future offensive dynamo mostly likely with Nuggent-Hopkins. The Oilers fill in their defensive group with a blue chip player who is a top 5 in the NHL in his position and add a vet up from who will give their 2nd line a legitimate 50 point player.
In many ways, this deal would favor the Oilers. But again, the media in Edmonton fills the simple mind with lollipops and fairy tails about how good Hemsky can be.
Tell me how good Hemsky is when he leaves town next summer as a UFA and the Oilers get nothing back. |
| nuxfan |
Posted - 05/13/2011 : 10:57:17
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As an oiler fan I wouldn't go near that trade
Why not? That looks like a great deal for EDM...which is why it wouldn't happen. |
| sahis34 |
Posted - 05/13/2011 : 09:56:53
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Originally posted by Beans15
I hear the point about everyone salivating over Weber. The 'talk' in Edmonton is a deal including Weber and Erat for the 1st overall pick in 2011 and Hemsky. I would do that deal, but I am biased.
When I say 'talk' it's the guys calling into the radio shows or posting on websites.
Guys like Weber do not grow on trees and are very valuable. Depending on how badly he wants to stay in Nashville, I could see this deal being one of those monster type, 10 yr, $60-70 million.
As an oiler fan I wouldn't go near that trade
Go OILERS Go!!! |
| nuxfan |
Posted - 05/13/2011 : 09:38:38
I wonder if the playoff success this year played a big part in Weber wanting to stay - clearly NSH is on the right track, and if they can add some scoring to that team they'd be a force.
Anything less than 6M per on a long term deal would be a steal for Weber, and I'm sure he'll get it regardless of winning the Norris or not. Something like Beans's deal looks reasonable, given his young age.
I still want to see how it goes though - NSH has never spent that kind of money before on a player, and has kept to a small-market cap hit for their entire existence. Committing that much money to Weber (and the ramifications that it has for dealing with Suter in 2 years time), and then following it up with committing the type of money they need to to players that will help them win, is no small thing for a team like NSH. Their payroll wsa 50M last year, do they have the revenue to be able to spend 60M? |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 05/13/2011 : 09:21:01
I hear the point about everyone salivating over Weber. The 'talk' in Edmonton is a deal including Weber and Erat for the 1st overall pick in 2011 and Hemsky. I would do that deal, but I am biased.
When I say 'talk' it's the guys calling into the radio shows or posting on websites.
Guys like Weber do not grow on trees and are very valuable. Depending on how badly he wants to stay in Nashville, I could see this deal being one of those monster type, 10 yr, $60-70 million. |
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