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| Pasty7 |
Posted - 10/23/2011 : 04:58:32
Now i have never been a fan of Jacques Martin's coaching style but over the last two season he has achieved results two years ago with a deep playoff run and las season with a 6th place finish and a loss in the first round to the eventual stanley cup champs in a game 7 ot.
This year however he has not gotten results futhurmore i truley believe his coaching is a huge factor in this poor start for the habs.
What the habs have lacked in all contest this season with the exception of two (ot loss to the Avs and a win over Peg) is offense, the powerplay wich has been the Canadians bread and butter for the better half of the last decade is dismal. Take thursday nights game against the Pens. The Habs were loseing the entire game, so what should a coach do? play your top offensive players right? Andrei Kostitsyn one of the habs best performers this season if not the best got a whopping 12.57 of ice time and les than 40 seconds on powerplay time, Max pacioretty who was performing over a point per game recieved 15 minutes same for Lars Eller (if anyone has been watching he has been outstanding and last nigth against Toronto finally got some ice time and look had two key assists) Erik Cole the big offseason pick up, whom we got to help the habs score 5 of 5 13.47 of icetime and less than 40 seconds of pp time! Further more in the pens game Eller doesn't see his first shif untill 5 minutes into the game the first thing he does when he gets on the ice is carry the puck past two Pen defenders and set up Erik cole for a Beautiful one timer that Fleury had to steal with a great stop, Eller than goes for a change and doesn't get back on the ice for another 5 minuets... Someting is wrong in Habland , sure the habs young Defense is costing us goals (see Phil Kessel last night) but it's the best the habs have due to injury, the best way to counter that is let Price do his thing and let our offensive players out score the opponent,
I think it may be time for either a complete hab overhaul (seeing how according to the coach our best players are not good enough to see big time minutes) or time for a Regim change because i think the players are starting to lose faith in the coach
"I led the league in "Go get 'em next time." - Bob Uecker
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| Guest9253 |
Posted - 02/22/2012 : 15:32:43
Yeah change everybody but Carey Price. What a wasted year. |
| Stamkos a Hab |
Posted - 11/30/2011 : 12:28:00
Anyone remember this topic? Jaques Martin is reffered 2 as an average coach and Kirk Muller is a head coach in Carolina.
Sucks 2 be the rest of ya |
| The Duke |
Posted - 10/27/2011 : 14:43:24
Didn`t Montreal lose 4 defenseman from last seasons playoff run ?? I think they did, what do you expect ?? |
| MrBoogedy |
Posted - 10/26/2011 : 22:52:02
Woo Hoo! Habs just got their first home win! next stop... Stanley cup. yay! lmao.
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| Odin |
Posted - 10/25/2011 : 06:55:29
"A top six of Subban, Markov, Gorges, Spacek, Gill and Campoli is not really impressive,"
Actually, I don't think that is too bad at all. I think the real problem is that half of that list are out right now. I would love to see how stacked the team is that isn't affected by losing half of their starting 6 d-men, and arguably their #1.
As for not having depth, I don't know about that when you have Weber who has done a pretty good job, Emelin who has also not looked out of place and Dias who has obvious skill but needs to go through some growing pains. And seriously, having Campoli out doesn't count? I find that a bit of a bizarre statement. |
| Pasty7 |
Posted - 10/24/2011 : 17:20:02
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Originally posted by Leafs81
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Originally posted by Pasty7
another thing that brings me to be more and more against Martin, The habs lead the league in Bench Minors last season, against the leafs on saturday Max Pacioretty the habs leading scorer going into the game saw less than 40 seconds power play time and no time at all on a pivotal 5 on 3.
and in a post game interview when asked the question 'what was your thought process on playing Mathieu Darche on the first wave of the power play when guys like Cole are on the bench?' Martin answerd with a lot of arrogance and said 'How many goals did Eric Cole get on the power play last year? I like what Darche does on the power play Cole had his oppurtunity on the power play you should do some research'
this shows me this coach has a clear bias against Cole and has done no research himself since Darche has a career total of 3 powerplay goals and only two last season while Cole has 43 career pp goals and 7 last season, plus he claims Cole had his shot on the PP he has yet to play a full game on the first of second wave and has yet to exceed 40 seconds of pp time in any game...... it `s time for this coach to go
"I led the league in "Go get 'em next time." - Bob Uecker
Wow that is actually pretty crazy. And like somebody else pointed out in another thread. That Lars Eller was not aware gustavsson was in???? Crazy the coach should of said something (I think Alex pointed this out so good point by him)
Anyway I felt like that for quite a while with Ron Wilson, and I'm actually still feeling like he's not the right fit.
Yeah it was me who brought up the Eller not realizing Reimer was out of the game in the other thread and while i feel a lot of that is Eller`s fault but at the same time it seems to me a coach or someone should be saying to the players ok look glove side on the monster he isn`t as strong their and what not... (not saying Gusstavson is weak glove side, just useing an example)
i think Martin is a Brilliant hockey mind and is great at setting up a game plan what he lacks though is an ability to adjust quickly communication and the ability to think out side the box,,, so on a team where Martin is your bench boss you need a charasmatic assistant coach in which the players feel more comfortable communicating with, an assistant to handle the communication with players and to relay that information with the head coach,,, that guy was Muller last year ,, this year it seems awfully quiet behind the bench
"I led the league in "Go get 'em next time." - Bob Uecker
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| Leafs81 |
Posted - 10/24/2011 : 15:55:00
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Originally posted by Pasty7
another thing that brings me to be more and more against Martin, The habs lead the league in Bench Minors last season, against the leafs on saturday Max Pacioretty the habs leading scorer going into the game saw less than 40 seconds power play time and no time at all on a pivotal 5 on 3.
and in a post game interview when asked the question 'what was your thought process on playing Mathieu Darche on the first wave of the power play when guys like Cole are on the bench?' Martin answerd with a lot of arrogance and said 'How many goals did Eric Cole get on the power play last year? I like what Darche does on the power play Cole had his oppurtunity on the power play you should do some research'
this shows me this coach has a clear bias against Cole and has done no research himself since Darche has a career total of 3 powerplay goals and only two last season while Cole has 43 career pp goals and 7 last season, plus he claims Cole had his shot on the PP he has yet to play a full game on the first of second wave and has yet to exceed 40 seconds of pp time in any game...... it `s time for this coach to go
"I led the league in "Go get 'em next time." - Bob Uecker
Wow that is actually pretty crazy. And like somebody else pointed out in another thread. That Lars Eller was not aware gustavsson was in???? Crazy the coach should of said something (I think Alex pointed this out so good point by him)
Anyway I felt like that for quite a while with Ron Wilson, and I'm actually still feeling like he's not the right fit. |
| Pasty7 |
Posted - 10/24/2011 : 15:45:57
another thing that brings me to be more and more against Martin, The habs lead the league in Bench Minors last season, against the leafs on saturday Max Pacioretty the habs leading scorer going into the game saw less than 40 seconds power play time and no time at all on a pivotal 5 on 3.
and in a post game interview when asked the question 'what was your thought process on playing Mathieu Darche on the first wave of the power play when guys like Cole are on the bench?' Martin answerd with a lot of arrogance and said 'How many goals did Eric Cole get on the power play last year? I like what Darche does on the power play Cole had his oppurtunity on the power play you should do some research'
this shows me this coach has a clear bias against Cole and has done no research himself since Darche has a career total of 3 powerplay goals and only two last season while Cole has 43 career pp goals and 7 last season, plus he claims Cole had his shot on the PP he has yet to play a full game on the first of second wave and has yet to exceed 40 seconds of pp time in any game...... it `s time for this coach to go
"I led the league in "Go get 'em next time." - Bob Uecker
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| Alex116 |
Posted - 10/23/2011 : 23:16:58
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Originally posted by Leafs81
I think it's still too early but really what they need is more depth on defense. Hamrlik leaving is hurting them a lot.
If Hamrlik's departure is more than just a slight reason they're struggling, then their depth really must stink!!! lol
In all honesty, i haven't seen much of any of their games but everything i hear, leads me to believe that if they don't pull out of their slump by the the time they're 15 games in, something WILL happen! |
| MrBoogedy |
Posted - 10/23/2011 : 21:56:52
It may only be less than 10 games into the season, but this is the worst season opener since 1938... and let's face it, with a few acceptions, they look atrocious. I'm not a fan of the whole Gionta/Gomez duo... Gionta is incomparably the better of the two, but i could do without either of them. Cammalleri has been injured alot, but I think he has the heart to be the Captian of the team, IMHO they should have let Markov go, resigned Hamrlik and Wisniewski.
I also think it may be time for a change behind the bench... i miss Muller, he shoulda been coach, he was the lead communicator behind the bench and i think his presence is being sorely missed.
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| n/a |
Posted - 10/23/2011 : 13:02:52
It's early, but this is exactly what I predicted IF Price didn't continue to steal game after game. He was the reason they got a point last night, IMHO . . . he made many outstanding saves
(and you could see it as a game the Habs should have won if not for the missed call on the puck hitting the netting before the Leafs tying goal).
But yeah - injuries happen, and they are thin on D. And their offensive players for the most part are not producing.
Good points on the coach not icing the more offensive players more, but . . . it's a lot more complicated than that. There is line matching to get the best defensive math-ups (you saw that against the super hot Leafs line, and it largely worked); there are games where you get more or less power plays; and there's seeing who is playing/skating well that day, and who isn't.
For my money, it's gotta be extremely rare that a coach at that level doesn't put a player out on the ice for longer for very good reason.
The only way I see a coaching change as being good in this case might be for just a different voice, and a new kick in the butt. But that's a pretty weak reason with under 10 games played in the season . . . there would have to be a bigger sample to see if the coach has really lost the team.
Martin is a very, very good coach IMHO.
"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug |
| Leafs81 |
Posted - 10/23/2011 : 10:52:07
I think it's still too early but really what they need is more depth on defense. Hamrlik leaving is hurting them a lot.
They rely their entire defense on a sophomore (yes really talented but also prone to make mistake due to his style of play) in Subban, a slow aging 6foot7 in Hal Gill and a solid Gorges.
They have injuries on the backend but you can expect that with a Markov being injury prone for the past 3 seasons now, and an aging Spacek.
Campoli was added for depth and not having him out with an injury doesn't really matter. So they need to go out there make some trades or sign a player or two on defense. A top six of Subban, Markov, Gorges, Spacek, Gill and Campoli is not really impressive, plus they don't have enough depth in case of injuries which is what we are witnessing right now. Go grab two experienced 4th to 6th defenseman and the team will improve. |
| Go_Habs_Go |
Posted - 10/23/2011 : 10:19:34
I think they just need a change...more than just a coach change
"Bon point Jacques!" - Benoît Brunet |
| freddyboy |
Posted - 10/23/2011 : 09:19:35
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Originally posted by Pasty7
sure the habs young Defense is costing us goals (see Phil Kessel last night)
no offense here Pasty but it's Gorges who gave the puck away to Kessel
But I have to agree on some questionnable coaching by Martin. Eller have been great this season and doesn't see enough ice time, so is Max Pacioretty. They are always the guys who works the most, and yes there's injuries but they need to standup for the team. Also you know your offense is not working well when Moen is your top goal scorer, maybe they should him with Eller and Pacioretty for the first line????
Also have to add that Price has been ok so far, not bad nor great, a few goals i believe he should have stop.
hopefully things will go around soon!!
joe is a god, if u dont agree....i dont care |
| Guest4539 |
Posted - 10/23/2011 : 08:55:39
I think its not even 10 games into the season. |
| Guest0006 |
Posted - 10/23/2011 : 06:03:52
I think you're right. Martin is out-coached night after night.
Muller's loss is hurting Habs a lot more than everyone thinks. |
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