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| Guest4618 |
Posted - 11/26/2011 : 18:40:41
With Taylor hall out of action with a shoulder Injurie do the Oilers keep winning???
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| Beans15 |
Posted - 11/29/2011 : 08:53:58
Looks like Hall will be out 2-4 weeks with a shoulder injury. I have not read any reports that specifically talk about the injury but that timetable has been reported.
I think the Oilers will be OK without him. Not great, but ok. I see this team fighting for a playoff spot but possibly falling short. That's ok. This Oilers team is a marathon, not a sprint. |
| Guest8100 |
Posted - 11/28/2011 : 11:29:26
What are you bringing Souray's name up for??? He hasn't been officially part of the Oilers in a long while. |
| Oilearl |
Posted - 11/28/2011 : 10:45:12
Guest 4380 Thanks for another fragile post!!!
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| Guest4306 |
Posted - 11/27/2011 : 17:30:21
Guest4380 could be on to something. Are the Oilers a fragile team? Do they draft players with a weak bone structure? Do they employ lousy medical staff? (My tongue's firmly in my cheek with my comments here!)
Looking at last year's stats (as reported by Globe), the Oilers finished in the middle of pack with man games lost due to injuries with 221. The Islanders had more than twice as many injuries as the Oilers with 512 man games lost, and Carolona finished the season with only 56 man games lost.
It's easy to make a blanket statement without the facts, and it's easy to criticize a team you don't like with your own impressions.
The Oilers have probably suffered from more key injuries the past few years than most teams, but does this make them a fragile team? I hardly think so.
There were 12 teams with more man games lost to injury than the Oilers last season, so the facts do not seem to support any such assertion!
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| nuxfan |
Posted - 11/27/2011 : 17:15:19
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Originally posted by Beans15
He needs to seriously consider the style of game he plays. He is incredibly reckless on the ice and these kinds of injuries will plague him until he learns how to maintain more control. It often seems like his body and head are not in sync.
I wondered if EDM fans felt the same way - the few times I've seen Hall play this year, reckless is the first thought that came to mind. He's good no doubt, but he plays as if he thinks he's still lighting it up in junior, and not playing against very big and very good opponents. He's been on the receiving end of a few big hits this year, and gets a lot of attention from opponents, so its no real surprise that something like this happened.
I hope he's not gone too long, I have him in 2 pools... |
| Guest4380 |
Posted - 11/27/2011 : 14:50:26
Hey to all of you medical experts out there...it could be nerve reaction on the slash...as far as Hall goes he just another one of those fragile oilers stars. Let's see Decembers almost here get ready for the Oilers annual run of injuries. Will have half the farm team up by March...let's review the history Hemsky, Whitney, Souray, Horcoff, Hall, and the list goes on!!! |
| Porkchop73 |
Posted - 11/27/2011 : 12:25:45
I never really looked at his stats but i guess with RNH playing so well it kind of overshadowed Halls play.
Maybe it was a little crazy, and I am not a doctor, but I looked at the video and I thought I could see that left arm looked a little out of sorts just before he gets up. Even his hand seems to flop a little bit. Usually a pretty good sign of a seperated shoulder. And like you said, on his first shift back he took a shot that your grandmother could have taken then went right off so I would wonder if there is likely more there then the trainers first thought.
I do not think having Hall out of the line up will hurt the Oil too much.
On a side note I have really enjoyed watching the Oil play this year so I hope they keep it up even if Hall is out for any extended period of time.
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| Oilearl |
Posted - 11/27/2011 : 11:18:01
Agree Beans Sequin fits in on a very strong established team full of veterans etc. Both are quality players the Oilers will be fine without Hall for a short recoup. |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 11/27/2011 : 10:38:36
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Originally posted by Porkchop73
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vo_rAKidHaU&feature=related
If you look immediately after the hit, Halls left arm is just dangling. It even looks like he has no control in his hand as he gets up.
Pretty serious seperated shoulder likely. Hall has got to learn to protect himself in plays like that.
Really good hit by Wilson.
I would venture to say that if Hall wasn't lined up with RNH he would be suffering from a good sophmore slump and this injury is not going to help. Most on here know I am not big on Hall and I think most Oil fans might start thinking they should have taken Seguin instead.
Let's not get crazy Porkchop. He was back in the game about 5 minutes after the hit to give it another go. He is still the or at least one of the two franchise players for the Oilers and if there was a 'pretty serious separated shoulder' the trainers/doctors would not have allowed him back in the game. Word on the streets of Edmonton(although Edmonton is really spread out so I had to listen closely to hear the stories) is that an MRI is scheduled for Monday and the team will release the results at that time. Tom Renney's exact word were, "Step back from the ledge, first of all. Just relax and see what the MRI and the medical staff tells us."
That doesn't sound like a guy who is too worried about things. Or, I am completely snowing myself and trying to convince myself that things are better than they are!
Also, you might want to consider the Oilers line combinations and who Hall has been playing with. He did start the season with RNH and Eberle but after that 6 games losing streak the lines were shuffled and Hall began to play with Hemsky and Horcoff. Prior to the line shuffle Hall had 11 pts in 15 games. Since the line shuffle he has 7 pts in 5 games including a hat trick. I am not sure what your definition of a 'sophmore slump' is, but both of those stat lines were on pace to beat his performance last season by a lot. A 65pt season is a nice step forward from a 42 pt performance last season. Considering he has been warming up the past few games, a 70+ pt season was not unlikely. This injury will have an impact on that obviously.
Finally, I was one of those people saying that I would take Seguin over Hall, however I don't think either player is a poor choice. I still believe that Hall is a potential 40 goal guy on the high end or a 30-35 goal guy on the lower end. When the two players are compared at the end of their careers (baring injuries) Hall will be a better goal scorer and Seguin a better all around player. However, if the Oilers had picked Seguin and had their legitimate #1 centre, would they have picked Hopkins?? I don't know. Really, having Hall and RNH with complimentary players like Eberle and Pajaarvi are a fantastic core. I really don't think that core is better or worse if you remove Hall's name and inject Seguin's.
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| Porkchop73 |
Posted - 11/27/2011 : 08:10:00
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vo_rAKidHaU&feature=related
If you look immediately after the hit, Halls left arm is just dangling. It even looks like he has no control in his hand as he gets up.
Pretty serious seperated shoulder likely. Hall has got to learn to protect himself in plays like that.
Really good hit by Wilson.
I would venture to say that if Hall wasn't lined up with RNH he would be suffering from a good sophmore slump and this injury is not going to help. Most on here know I am not big on Hall and I think most Oil fans might start thinking they should have taken Seguin instead. |
| BucketHead |
Posted - 11/27/2011 : 06:34:09
i've been tell everyone he would get injuried from the way he plays, and i was right,ha.
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| Beans15 |
Posted - 11/27/2011 : 05:29:53
It didn't look promising, especially after he tried to go back in the game and took a crosscheck that my Grandmother could have absorbed and headed straight to he dressing room. I say separated shoulder and about a month out of action. That is also a very optimistic outlook.
He needs to seriously consider the style of game he plays. He is incredibly reckless on the ice and these kinds of injuries will plague him until he learns how to maintain more control. It often seems like his body and head are not in sync.
Luckily for the Oilers he is only one of a number of players that are contributing. It won't be easy if Hall is out long term however the future is not total darkness without him. |
| Oilearl |
Posted - 11/26/2011 : 19:46:18
I think they can keep winning the injury looked painful hopefully he's not out for an extended time. |
