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| Guest4178 |
Posted - 02/27/2012 : 14:12:13
The New York Rangers traded for hulking defenseman (and sometimes forward) John Scott from the Chicago Blackhawks for a 5th round draft pick.
That's not a big price for a player like Scott, who at 6'8" and 270 lbs., has quite a physical presence on the ice.
Scott has never lost a fight in the NHL. Further, his fighting record (according to hockeyfights.com) is a perfect 24-0 since he entered the NHL (with Minnesota) in the 2008-2009 season. (No draws, just wins.)
He's fought a lot of tough guys too, including David Koci (twice) and George Parros, who he demolished in a fight a couple of seasons ago.
The Rangers already lead the NHL in fighting majors (48), and Brandon Prust leads his team with 15 fights. (He's won about half of his fights.) Prust is listed at 6'0" and 195 lbs., so maybe the Rangers want him to fight less? And for Scott to play this role? The Rangers like having a top enforcer, and except for Derek Boogaard's tragic death, they would have one in their line-up today. Boogaard's former teammate, John Scott, gives them that.
But it's not just about fighting. Scott is a capable defensemen, and with his reach and physical presence, he can be tough to play against.
To be realistic though, Scott is maybe a 6th or 7th defensemen on most teams, so it remains to be seen how much ice-time he will get with the Rangers. At the very least, he's good insurance in case of injuries, and when they want that extra bit of toughness in the line-up, he will definitely give them that.
So while the Rangers didn't score their Rick Nash at the trade deadline, they got a bit better with John Scott in their line-up. And for a team which currently sits in first place in the Eastern Conference, that's a good thing. |
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| The Duke |
Posted - 02/28/2012 : 20:45:50
Good point guest 3783,,those Bruins are a tough bunch. Team toughness is hard for 1 guy to control though. You don`t want Scott constantly taking stupid penal`s either causing opposing PP`s. One - Two dumb extra Penal`s could blow a series. |
| Alex116 |
Posted - 02/28/2012 : 11:16:32
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Originally posted by Clatts
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Originally posted by nuxfan
I'm guessing you have not seen Scott play.... he is a pretty atrocious defenseman, and honestly if it were not for his sheer size, he probably would be out of a job. He's not a top-6 dman on any team in the NHL IMO. Canucks fans saw a lot of him last year in the playoffs, after CHI went down 3-0 they brought him out thinking he would be the next Byfuglien - but all he did was give up the puck in his own end repeatedly and watch how the skill players skated cirlces around him.
However, he is a big human being, and can certainly fight when he gets takers. And when he gets into the lineup.
A Canuck fan bad mouthing a Chicago player...hmm
"Most of the guys that wear them are Europeans and French Guys."
Don Cherry on Visors
Funny, i thought Scott was a Ranger? 
Clatts, you're too new to the site, unless you've been guest posting for sometime now, to prob fully understand guys like nuxfan and i. We aren't the type to call out a player for lack of skill, just because he's a Blackhawk. Utemin might of course, but not us. 
Search some old posts of ours and you'll likely find compliments towards guys like Byfuglien and how he developed into a good NHLer who the Canucks couldn't handle. You'll see we hated him, but not for anything but his effectiveness vs our favorite team. We were two of the happier guys around when he was shipped off to Atlanta!
All i'm saying is that throwing comments out like you did doesn't have a whole lot of effect when what you imply is totally off based! As a new poster though, i'll give you a pass. |
| nuxfan |
Posted - 02/28/2012 : 09:49:55
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Originally posted by Clatts
A Canuck fan bad mouthing a Chicago player...hmm
A Canuck-hater bad mouthing a Canuck fan.... hmm
Do you disagree with my assessment of John Scott's playing ability? Please, do enlighten. |
| Guest3783 |
Posted - 02/28/2012 : 09:44:09
How about the Rangers pick up John Scott for only one reason : they think they will play Boston sooner or later in the playoffs. If that happens, Scott might play the first game and send the message to Boston that the Rangers won't be intimidated by the likes of Chara, Lucic, Thornton, Horton, Mcquaid, Ference and others. |
| Clatts |
Posted - 02/28/2012 : 09:41:55
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Originally posted by nuxfan
I'm guessing you have not seen Scott play.... he is a pretty atrocious defenseman, and honestly if it were not for his sheer size, he probably would be out of a job. He's not a top-6 dman on any team in the NHL IMO. Canucks fans saw a lot of him last year in the playoffs, after CHI went down 3-0 they brought him out thinking he would be the next Byfuglien - but all he did was give up the puck in his own end repeatedly and watch how the skill players skated cirlces around him.
However, he is a big human being, and can certainly fight when he gets takers. And when he gets into the lineup.
A Canuck fan bad mouthing a Chicago player...hmm
"Most of the guys that wear them are Europeans and French Guys."
Don Cherry on Visors |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 02/28/2012 : 07:51:00
I think that Scott is just an insurance policy. He won't play much if at all in the playoffs unless a team is running rough shod over the Rangers. Then he will be put in for 3-4 minutes a game to try to straighten out the mess.
Aren't the Rangers leading the NHL in fighting majors??? They are pretty tough as it is, but to the previous point, I think Torts doesn't want his skill guys dancing as much in the playoffs. |
| Guest5744 |
Posted - 02/28/2012 : 07:47:21
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Originally posted by Shepsky
poor Torts, still trying to run a big goon system. In the playoffs you need grit AND skill
the rangers have grit with skill. you don't want callahan fighting in the playoffs and if someone decides to take a run at gaborik or richards who else is gonna step in next shift and teach a lesson? |
| Shepsky |
Posted - 02/28/2012 : 05:55:11
poor Torts, still trying to run a big goon system. In the playoffs you need grit AND skill |
| n/a |
Posted - 02/28/2012 : 05:32:44
I predict that this goon will be the reason the Rangers don't make it to the Stanley Cup finals. He'll be on the ice for some massive giveaway or poor defensive play, and will cost his team a win.
Yes, that was me dreaming.
Would love to see goons like this out of the game.
"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug |
| ryan93 |
Posted - 02/28/2012 : 04:09:13
If he's going to get any playing time at I'll, I'm guessing it'll be at forward. The Rangers already have Marc Staal, Dan Girardi, Ryan McDonagh, Michael Del Zotto, Mike Sauer, Stu Bickel, Steve Eminger, Anton Stralman & Jeff Woywitka on defense...as well as Tim Erixon who is expected to be recalled for the playoffs.
After trading away Wolski & Christensen though, they are currently only carrying 12 forwards. John Scott is pretty much a non-factor to me. I was hoping the Rangers would make a move bigger than this, but smaller than Nash...think Ray Whitney. |
| foolpittier |
Posted - 02/27/2012 : 15:31:12
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Originally posted by The Duke
Whose John Scott ??
YEAH! |
| Guest4178 |
Posted - 02/27/2012 : 15:20:43
Okay – I take some of my comments back. (By the way, are you allowed to do that on this forum, or am I supposed to stubbornly stick with my original opinions?)
Scott is NOT a 6th or 7th defensemen on most teams. In fact, he ranked 9th in minutes played amongst the nine defensemen Chicago used last season, and he ranks the same this season. He averages around 6-7 minutes per game, which is real close to what hockey teams give their enforcers who are not really good hockey players.
I still think he adds something to the Rangers roster though, and while it's unlikely he will see a lot (if any) ice-time in the playoffs, maybe they want him down the stretch for a few regular season games where they need (or believe they need) a more physical presence in their line-up?
There's no doubt the Rangers like to fight, and while they have very good overall toughness, they don't really have one of the game's top enforcers in their line-up. And they appear to want to fill that void.
I'm wondering if Tortorella asked Glen Sather to find him a player like John Scott, or was it Slats' idea? And while a late 5th round draft pick is not much to give up, it is still a draft pick, and even a late round pick has some value.
Or maybe there was a mixup in communications? Someone asked for Nash, but instead, they got crash and bash? :) |
| The Duke |
Posted - 02/27/2012 : 14:32:23
Whose John Scott ??
Playoff games are so tight and intense these days guest, fighting is a rare - ity..
Can you remember any fights in last years playoffs ?? You won`t see too many, they are almost extinct now come playoff time.
Toughness and durability are very important now, along with a willingness to win. After playing 82 games and possibiliy pushing another 28 to hoist the cup, players are physically and mentally drained....this is probably why you see so much stanley cup hang - over.
Fighting is not nearly as important as it used to be...although i like it ( fighting ) and i still believe a team needs an enforcer to safe guard his star players......but coaches nowadays usually dress a player who can help the team in other ways...defensively, kill a pk, maybe pot a goal or win a key face - off.
Don`t see many 1 - 3 mins. per game guys ( fighters ) wasting time sat on the bench now during a playoff game.
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| nuxfan |
Posted - 02/27/2012 : 14:29:07
I'm guessing you have not seen Scott play.... he is a pretty atrocious defenseman, and honestly if it were not for his sheer size, he probably would be out of a job. He's not a top-6 dman on any team in the NHL IMO. Canucks fans saw a lot of him last year in the playoffs, after CHI went down 3-0 they brought him out thinking he would be the next Byfuglien - but all he did was give up the puck in his own end repeatedly and watch how the skill players skated cirlces around him.
However, he is a big human being, and can certainly fight when he gets takers. And when he gets into the lineup. |
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