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| Guest4377 |
Posted - 04/03/2012 : 19:35:21
Tom Renney was just fined $10,000 for insinuating that the NHL wants a California team in the playoffs, and he's not completely off the mark. (Just after the Oilers loss to L.A. last night.)
In tonight's Leafs-Sabres game, Randy Carlyle made a statement by not making a statement about the officiating in the Leafs loss to the Sabres, which saw 5 straight penalties called to Toronto, and an amazing no call on a puck which was lost to everyone but the ref who lost his whistle allowing a key Sabres goal. And I'm actually not a Leafs fan, and furthermore, I would actually prefer the Sabres to make the postseason over the Washington Capitals.
But here's my point. Referees are human, and human nature is to give the benefit of the doubt to the home team, or teams behind a few goals, or specifically down the stretch, to teams which are life-or-death to make (or not make) the playoffs versus teams who are way out of the playoffs.
I studied this down the stretch during the last week of the regular season last year, and I found that teams vying for a playoff spot received half the number of penalties as teams who were clearly not going to make the playoffs.
I understand human nature, but it's not right, and I definitely understand the frustration of classy coaches like Tom Renney and Randy Carlyle who just want to see fairness and consistency with officiating. In watching the most recent games noted, fairness and consistency in calls did not take place in my opinion. |
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| Guest6458 |
Posted - 04/06/2012 : 08:49:05
Oh, and I forgot to mention,Mackensie, I think it was, said the refs got it right...because,even though he couldn't see it by his reaction, he would have had to call a penalty shot because it was a Leaf player on the puck in the crease.That probably explains why there was no whistle, the simple minded ref didn't know what to do, sooo,play on, and hope for the best,hehe. |
| Guest6458 |
Posted - 04/06/2012 : 08:25:18
Anyone who would say the ref saw the puck on the tying goal must have an explanation as to why the ref did not know the puck was even in the net for almost a full sec after it went in.Watch the replay he still bobbing his head looking into the pile of players and the light is on,then suddenly he turns his head and sees the puck in the back of the net and points,hehe. |
| Guest7743 |
Posted - 04/06/2012 : 06:57:14
As I watch most hockey games I am constantly amazed at how the trailing team seems to be given more power play opportunities than the team leading the game. Does the NHL keep stats on trailing vs. leading power play chances?
I just like to watch good hockey but these "even-off" calls make good hockey increasingly rare. |
| Guest4377 |
Posted - 04/05/2012 : 20:08:58
To me, it's more than a matter of one blown (or not blown) call on a puck in the crease. (Which could be argued either way, but in my view, the play shoukd have been whistled dead.)
It's ALL the calls (or non calls) which took place in this game, and the other game mentioned. And games between a team with nothing to gain against a team trying to make the playoffs.
Thanks Alex for your compliment. I also respect your posts, your objectivity, and hockey knowledge.
As it relates to your request about my "study," here it is, which is a posting I made on PUH just prior to the end of the 2010-2011 regular season, an observation I made then, and indeed for many seasons beforehand. Here's my posting from last April:
"Interesting to see how referees appear to call games when one team needs to win (to make the playoffs), and when it's a nothing game for the other team.
Case in point - the Hawks must-win game against the Wings. The refs called 4 penalties against Detroit and only one against Chicago. I thought the refs showed a bias in Chicago's favour, and I was cheering for the Hawks!
I checked Saturdays's game between Tampa Bay and Carolina, a must win game for the Canes. Carolina was given 7 power plays, while the Lightning only had one power play.
In Minnesota's game against Dallas (must-win game for the Stars), Dallas had 5 power plays compared to two for the Wild.
I didn't catch these two games, so I can't completely comment if there was a bias, but in the three games mentioned, the "must-win" team received a total of four minor penalties, while the team with nothing on the line received a total of sixteen minor penalties. Coincidence?"
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| The Duke |
Posted - 04/05/2012 : 19:37:27
Alex, we can agrue this play until the cows come home...it doesn`t change anything.
I have 2 friends who are Washington fans...they were both livid after watching the highlights because the play was not whistled dead...guess they are both wrong too.
Anyway, like i said before, its meaningless to me...enough on that. |
| mandree888 |
Posted - 04/05/2012 : 05:46:23
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Originally posted by The Duke
Inconsistent officiating is a constant in the NHL these days...more so than it ever was before, in my opinion.
At least they are being consistently inconsistent.   |
| Guest8384 |
Posted - 04/05/2012 : 04:22:02
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This play doesn`t mean ZERO to leaf fans...
Usually the case this time of year. |
| Alex116 |
Posted - 04/04/2012 : 22:29:15
Dude, you're impossible. How the F$%* can you say that "This puck was buried for 5 - 6 seconds." when i saw a frickin' replay from the other side of the ice that clearly shows your statement is 100% false!!!
Either you didn't see THAT replay, or you're simply here to engage in an argument and i don't have time for that...... |
| The Duke |
Posted - 04/04/2012 : 20:12:37
Alex plays have been blown dead by the official`s long, long before the time lapse on this play. Don`t tell me you don`t agree on this point, you know this is true.
Inconsistent officiating is a constant in the NHL these days...more so than it ever was before, in my opinion.
This is what gets people upset. Its not just us here discussing it, players, coaches, GM`s and owners have all shared their dis - pleasure with it.
Why is that a ref standing 10 feet from a play ( looking straight at it ) doesn`t call a hook but the 2nd ref at the red line does ?? The guy is 100 feet away and makes the call. Hockey commentators refer to this all the time...whats up with that ??
The ref with a birds eye view sees the play being good....but the one looking through traffic half way down the rink calls a penalty.
P.S...no - one is whinning here because the leafs lost...i wish they would have lost in regulation and never got that 1 point...which leaf fan really gives a s**t if they win at this point of the season ?? This is just another example of ....it doesn`t matter what a leaf fan sez...he is whinning.
This play doesn`t mean ZERO to leaf fans...but it does to Washington fans.
Of course the ref knew where the puck was...i knew where the puck was by watching the play...it was under SEVERAL people...but knowing where it was and actually seeing the puck are 2 completely diffrent things. This puck was buried for 5 - 6 seconds.
You talk this way now, but wait until the Canucks play in the playoffs and the ref blows his whistle at the opposing net with the puck being covered for less than 1 second. Not giving any1 Van player a chace to push it in, maybe being a game changing play, and it will happen, it always does. Especially in a place like Detroit, you know what i mean. |
| Alex116 |
Posted - 04/04/2012 : 19:39:48
I can honestly say, i'm soooooooo glad that this actually helped Toronto (possibly get a better draft pick). I can't imagine the whining if it cost them a playoff spot or something!!!
BTW, how is it "impossible" that the ref saw the puck the entire time??? Even if he lost sight of it for a fraction of a second, he may have known where it was and that it wasn't covered, therefore let the play continue. |
| Open_Ice |
Posted - 04/04/2012 : 13:32:36
I don't understand how this play should have been dead.
At no point does any player or the goalie act as if the puck is covered. Let them scrum it out for as long as they want. Blowing the play dead simply because you can't see the puck anymore doesn't make any sense.
The only thing more frustrating than a play not being blown dead is a play being blown dead just before a clean goal is scored. (In my opinion that is the most frustrating play in hockey)
As an aside, on Sportscenter (US) they showed the goal from an overhead cam with the puck highlighted the entire play. Its entirely possible that the referee could see the puck and in my opinion the right call of letting the play continue was made. |
| The Duke |
Posted - 04/04/2012 : 12:15:23
How do you know the ref saw the puck at ALL TIMES statman ?? Were you on the ice standing next to him ?????
Did you see several players flopping all over the place for 6 - 7 seconds.....who in hell could see that puck AT ALL TIMES for all of this duration of mayham ??....impossible......oh wait....the ref could see the puck AT all times because TSN said so...oh yeah 
The NHL is turning into another running of WWE...theres so much bulls**t in the game today and so much politics involved, more and more people i know are not even watching hockey anymore.
I remember years ago watching hockey and it didn`t seem like this nonsense existed in the game. Whats going on ?? What led to all this drama and bull within the game ?? When did all this childish nonsense start ??
Seems like every game theres some distraction which takes away from the game itself.....the actual on - ice play gets lost with so much drama queen bull s**t. |
| n/a |
Posted - 04/04/2012 : 04:25:33
I agree with the guest on the observation of refs clearly giving bias towards home teams . . . there have, in fact, been studies done on "what makes home advantage", and the biggest measureable factor is penalties called. There was even a post on this website pointing to such a study/article on same.
But in this particular case - the Buffalo goal late - who knows, the ref might have seen it. And then again, he may not have and he was just slow to react with the whistle . . . really hard to say, because for that situation, none of us can see what he was seeing, and he was in great position.
But as I was listening to the broadcast, hoping for the Leafs to lose in regulation actually (hey, I want the best draft pick!), I couldn't help but agree with the commentators:
You can bet that Hunter and the Washington Capitals management were not impressed at all!
"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug |
| Statman |
Posted - 04/04/2012 : 02:51:41
The ref saw the puck loose as he was in good position...unlike the main camera operator who was on the other side. It was clearly a good goal if you look at the reverse angle (like Alex said), so quit your whining. |
| Alex116 |
Posted - 04/04/2012 : 00:59:57
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Originally posted by Guest4377
I studied this down the stretch during the last week of the regular season last year, and I found that teams vying for a playoff spot received half the number of penalties as teams who were clearly not going to make the playoffs.
Guest4377..... Okay, no offense as i respect most of your posts, but please feel free to share with us the results of your "study"!!!
Duke....I'm not gonna hide it, i'm not a Leafs fan! I saw the replay of that tying goal and i was actually laughing, saying to my buddy "wouldn't it be even better if this goal cost them the playoffs!!!!".....However, upon final review (highlite package on TSN), they said the ref's got it right? As hard as i found that to believe, they had video evidence that the puck was actually live and visible the entire time??? I find it hard to believe.....but...... |
| The Duke |
Posted - 04/03/2012 : 19:59:46
I watched the leafs Sabres game. I`m actually hoping for the leafs to lose their remaining games now because of the draft.
Seemed like every time the leafs went up by a goal the ref`s gave Buffalo a PP...and these PP`s were a 100 % factor in the Sabres winning that game...now the OT goal was on a non - questionable penalty....but should the game had made it to OT ?
The goal which tied the game 5 - 5 should never have been. The puck was out of every1`s sight for several seconds, under maybe 5 - 6 players in front of the net..NO -ONE knew where the puck was until finally it was pushed into the net.
Isn`t the ref supposed to blow the whistle when he loses sight of the puck ?? But he never.
This loss means nothing to Toronto...BUT...may mean a hell of a lot to Washington...very unfair to the Capitals.
Anyway, this is my non - bias opinion. I don`t really give a s**t as to which one of them gets in.....but fair is fair. |
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