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| nashvillepreds |
Posted - 10/25/2007 : 15:38:31
Who will be the next leafs captain after Sundin retires?
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| Bleeding Blue and White |
Posted - 12/18/2007 : 06:36:03
It is too early to tell if any player on the Leafs can pick up their game. Tomas Kaberle would probably be the best choice right now.
~Long Live the Leafs~ |
| Alex |
Posted - 12/18/2007 : 06:11:53
Axey, why Blake? Is he really a leader on the team? The guy is softspoken and timid, which are not bad qualities, but yet... He has not been with the guys his whole career as other guys have. He does not have the experience in T.O. others do. So why him? Talent alone doesn't make you a captain.
I'm not doubting he is an option, I am saying that he is not a good one.
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| Axey |
Posted - 12/18/2007 : 04:54:56
I can't imagine a Habs/Leafs battle without Koivu and Sundin, both awesome captains. But back to the topic I would say Blake, Kaberle or Wellwood. Stajan or Steen will be future captains for sure, no question |
| ERTW0T9 |
Posted - 12/18/2007 : 02:08:55
Well,
If you recall when Mats was made captain, this whole debate whether Mats was good enough or had the leadership popped up several times. For all the people who doubted the skill set of Mats' leadership, I feel they were proven wrong. So, interestingly enough what would happen if players like Kaberle or McCabe got the C on their sweater? I have a feeling their play would elevate.
Just remember, captains in the NHL are leaders, but leaders by example. The qualities of a good captain are exhibited in reliant and clutch players and can handle the brunt of team underachievement. Scoring a clutch goal, making a stirring speech in the dressing room, a physical shift are all examples of what captains need to do on a regular basis to be effective. Even more so, however, the next Leaf captain will have to be able to absorb the pressure of being captain of the Leafs with the poise that Mats has.
So what does it come down to? In my eyes, Kaberle is the only player on the Leafs' roster who would be directly in line for the captaincy. One could argue that his lack lustre play of late hasn't been inspiring but I'm sure his play would elevate should he be promoted. What he really lacks is the grit and noticeable desire and passion that Mats exhibits. When he gets a burr under his saddle, you can see it in his eyes. Kabby, not so much emotion. As for trading for a captain, I don't know of anyone who could fill the shoes of Mats who isn't a captain already. |
| Guest6622 |
Posted - 12/17/2007 : 22:59:27
A duck they found in the parking lot |
| Alex |
Posted - 12/15/2007 : 17:59:20
Not to seem like a know-it-all, but I think it would be a slight to the honour of the greats the franchise has seen to name anybody on the squad right now captain after Mats. Kaberle maybe, but it is a puch. In three years, you never know.
If the confusion is this high then, personally, they should go with no captain.
Habs get number 25 this year |
| Jeremy12 |
Posted - 12/14/2007 : 16:14:01
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Originally posted by PuckNuts
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Originally posted by Alex
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Originally posted by kingwoody2
I would pick Chad Kilger. This guy competes every single night. If they all worked as hard as him they would win quite a few more games.
Yes, but he is not very talented. Compared to the other options.
Who said you have to be the most talented to be the captain.
You need to be a leader, and lead by example.
There is not a Leaf player on the team that deserves to be captain in Toronto. They will have to trade for a player that has the qualities to be a Leaf Captain.
I don't necessarily agree with everything I say.
- - Marshall McLuhan
A good example for that would be Jason Smith
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| Alex |
Posted - 12/13/2007 : 17:21:29
And really, you want Kilger to go up with Sittler Sundin and GIlmour? Kaberle has been with the team forever, he deserves it the most. He could be on that list eventually, not the greatest by a long shot, but he could be there. KILGER?
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| PuckNuts |
Posted - 12/13/2007 : 17:16:22
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Originally posted by Alex
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Originally posted by kingwoody2
I would pick Chad Kilger. This guy competes every single night. If they all worked as hard as him they would win quite a few more games.
Yes, but he is not very talented. Compared to the other options.
Who said you have to be the most talented to be the captain.
You need to be a leader, and lead by example.
There is not a Leaf player on the team that deserves to be captain in Toronto. They will have to trade for a player that has the qualities to be a Leaf Captain.
I don't necessarily agree with everything I say.
- - Marshall McLuhan
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| Alex |
Posted - 12/13/2007 : 17:04:33
In any case, I disagree with the idea of bringing someone in to make him captain. Not after Sundin. You need a Leaf who only knows what it is like to play for Toronto, and what comes along with it, like Sundin was. Kaberle deserves it.
Habs get number 25 this year |
| Jeremy12 |
Posted - 12/12/2007 : 13:33:42
definatley will be kabby
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| Alex |
Posted - 12/12/2007 : 12:55:14
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Originally posted by Antroman
Hey Alex, Now that's funny right there!!!!! Next Captain Will Be Vinny Lecavalier. Speculative for sure but a nice dream.
He would be good player, not captain. There is a reason he isn't captain in Tampa, not just yet. Crosby, in my mind, should not be a captain either. How much leadership can a 20 year old exhibit over a bunch of men?
Habs get number 25 this year |
| SuperSakic |
Posted - 12/12/2007 : 07:34:21
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Originally posted by fly4apuckguy
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Originally posted by Leafs Rock Planet
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Originally posted by fly4apuckguy
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Originally posted by Leafs Rock Planet
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Originally posted by fly4apuckguy
This thread has exposed just how weak the Leafs are, you know.
I dont know how you can justify saying that. Just because a couple of guests post some stupid remarks stating how "Wade Belak" should be captain does not make the Leafs a week team by any meens. If you are going to base your comment on guest posting, than please dont respond to my post here. But if you have a knowledgeable response to why the Leafs are week other than guest posting than please do respond to my post here. Also do not say the Leafs are week because of any management like JFJ. This topic is about a team matter so back yourself up with a team matter issue.
I'm sorry, I wasn't aware that you had the right to tell other people what to say and think. My apologies, Leaf Rock Planet But Have Not Won a Cup Since Jesus Was Born fan dude.
Im sorry Fly,but point out once in my post where I said anything about what to think or say.
It doesnt make any sense what you are saying about your example with the Flames. What you are saying pretty much is that any team (in your case the flames) are better than a team that doesnt have as many leaders like the Leafs. Look at Pittsburgh, they dont have nearly as many leaders as you seem to think Calgary does.
News flash......Leaders help a team... they dont make a team.
Pittsburgh - Roberts, Recchi, Armstrong, Crosby, Sydor, Staal, and Talbot. I just named 7 guys who are better leaders than anyone on the Leafs after Sundin.
As for the leadership helps a team, but doesn't make it comment...is it a coincidence the Leafs haven't won the Cup since Elvis was playing Las Vegas and The Vietnam War was on? Or maybe is it a leadership problem? Are the Leafs any less talented than the Hurricanes of a couple of years ago? No, but they lack leadership and character. Guys who compete every night. I would agree that Pittsburgh is lacking this, too. But next to the Leafs, their guys look like Patton.
I have to disagree with Talbot. And Staal? I think not. He's way too young. I wouldn't want my leader to be using a fake ID in order to buy a beer.
However, to continue the line of other teams having the quality of players that exemplify leadership. I will use Ottawa as an example (just to put a burr under Leafs Fans' saddles  ). They have Alfie, Spezza, Heatly, Redden, Phillips, Volchenkov, Schaefer. Any of these guys could be captain and nobody would have a problem with it. |
| Antroman |
Posted - 12/12/2007 : 07:15:29
If you are looking for a captain off the current team I think you would be hard pressed to find one simply because the currant one is such a strong force. How can you replace a Matts Sundin? If you really know anything about The Leafs then you would know that everybody in the entire organization reveres Matts Sundin. Paul Maurice has openly said that "Matts is the finest captain that he has experienced in his life in hockey". Other than manic leaf bashers I have never heard anybody say a wrongful word about him. His team mates love him and respect him and even the lunatic Toronto media praise him because of his open and candid forthright approach. He is an upstanding member of the community and always takes time for everybody while very quietly donating time and money to local charities. He stands in and always deflects public critism of the team and clearly carries the burden of being a captain in the hockey mad city of Toronto and this can be no easy feat in itself. He is a fierce competitor and a gentleman all rolled into one and replacing him with anyone on the currant roster will be almost nigh impossible. I would think that the next captain of the Mighty Maples is going to have very large shoes to step into and that is putting it mildly. |
| LeafsFan4Life |
Posted - 12/12/2007 : 06:43:27
I would say Stajin, not to start an arguement, but in a few years with some good development he would be a great captain, good work ethic, strong in the corners, and is a good two way player in a few years i feel he can only get better, but who knows, by the time he is good the leafs will trade him like they always do when they get a good player, and as everyone says because they have not won a cup in 40 years they've gotta be a bad team right.
thats my two cents, probably will need a penny back lol
Long Live Hockey |
| kingwoody2 |
Posted - 12/12/2007 : 05:49:42
I would pick Chad Kilger. This guy competes every single night. If they all worked as hard as him they would win quite a few more games.
I would listen to what he has to say. |
| Guest0865 |
Posted - 12/12/2007 : 05:11:27
I didn't really know who to pick, I'm not really a leafs fan. But when I have watched them, Belak was nowhere to be found, Steen never, and i mean NEVER passed the puck. I would have picked Kaberle just because seems to be a steady player, on a sometimes inconsistent team. And for that "this guy is good in the locker room" I think that it's hard to tell how it really is, I don't think any of us can (unless one of you actually plays for the team... which means i'll need your autograph). You guys seem to be on to something though with the trade for a captain idea. The only problem with that is somethings gotta go for him. A lot of teams have this problem, and I wouldn't go saying the leafs are nessaceraly weak, they are in 9th in the east i believe? Anyways I'm pretty sure they are ahead of the Pens... I don't hate Crosby, I even think he is a good leader, but you can see that at his age it's probably putting too much presure on the guy, and I mean they had other vets to choose from right? 7 I think it is if you go by fly's standards which I think is pretty accurate.
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| Antroman |
Posted - 12/11/2007 : 21:37:18
Hey Alex, Now that's funny right there!!!!! Next Captain Will Be Vinny Lecavalier. Speculative for sure but a nice dream. |
| Alex |
Posted - 12/11/2007 : 16:15:57
Personally, it is too early to tell. However, Blake is too soft spoken to get the honour. Tucker isn't good enough. Antropov, it can be argued (sorry Antroman) has a lack of work ethic. That is all they need as their captain. And nobody knows whether they love or hate McCabe. Kaberle is experienced, very good, and most deserving. But really, can you see these guys up there with Sundin, Gilmour and Sitler? Nah.
Habs get number 25 this year |
| fly4apuckguy |
Posted - 10/29/2007 : 19:19:00
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Originally posted by Leafs Rock Planet
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Originally posted by fly4apuckguy
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Originally posted by Leafs Rock Planet
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Originally posted by fly4apuckguy
This thread has exposed just how weak the Leafs are, you know.
I dont know how you can justify saying that. Just because a couple of guests post some stupid remarks stating how "Wade Belak" should be captain does not make the Leafs a week team by any meens. If you are going to base your comment on guest posting, than please dont respond to my post here. But if you have a knowledgeable response to why the Leafs are week other than guest posting than please do respond to my post here. Also do not say the Leafs are week because of any management like JFJ. This topic is about a team matter so back yourself up with a team matter issue.
I'm sorry, I wasn't aware that you had the right to tell other people what to say and think. My apologies, Leaf Rock Planet But Have Not Won a Cup Since Jesus Was Born fan dude.
Im sorry Fly,but point out once in my post where I said anything about what to think or say.
It doesnt make any sense what you are saying about your example with the Flames. What you are saying pretty much is that any team (in your case the flames) are better than a team that doesnt have as many leaders like the Leafs. Look at Pittsburgh, they dont have nearly as many leaders as you seem to think Calgary does.
News flash......Leaders help a team... they dont make a team.
Pittsburgh - Roberts, Recchi, Armstrong, Crosby, Sydor, Staal, and Talbot. I just named 7 guys who are better leaders than anyone on the Leafs after Sundin.
As for the leadership helps a team, but doesn't make it comment...is it a coincidence the Leafs haven't won the Cup since Elvis was playing Las Vegas and The Vietnam War was on? Or maybe is it a leadership problem? Are the Leafs any less talented than the Hurricanes of a couple of years ago? No, but they lack leadership and character. Guys who compete every night. I would agree that Pittsburgh is lacking this, too. But next to the Leafs, their guys look like Patton. |
| OILINONTARIO |
Posted - 10/29/2007 : 18:11:49
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Originally posted by Guest7147
dosent matter leafs suck anyways
Why ya gotta do that? The Leafers are doing a very fine job of defining their team in this forum. Your comment has no merit, even if it is true.
The Oil WILL make the playoffs. |
| Guest7147 |
Posted - 10/29/2007 : 15:32:34
dosent matter leafs suck anyways |
| Guest0584 |
Posted - 10/29/2007 : 15:21:44
Flames hockey would be exstatic if they gave the captain to wayne primeau. . .
the only player on the team i respect except for friesen but they got rid of him |
| Greg Smith |
Posted - 10/27/2007 : 12:41:18
Kaberle or Mccabe. the leafs are pretty bad leadership wise without Sundin though.
After playing in the NHL, it's hard to watch hockey games. |
| Guest4951 |
Posted - 10/27/2007 : 11:56:15
definetley mccabe. no doubt |
| Guest2180 |
Posted - 10/27/2007 : 10:56:00
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Originally posted by fly4apuckguy
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Originally posted by Leafs Rock Planet
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Originally posted by fly4apuckguy
This thread has exposed just how weak the Leafs are, you know.
I dont know how you can justify saying that. Just because a couple of guests post some stupid remarks stating how "Wade Belak" should be captain does not make the Leafs a week team by any meens. If you are going to base your comment on guest posting, than please dont respond to my post here. But if you have a knowledgeable response to why the Leafs are week other than guest posting than please do respond to my post here. Also do not say the Leafs are week because of any management like JFJ. This topic is about a team matter so back yourself up with a team matter issue.
I'm sorry, I wasn't aware that you had the right to tell other people what to say and think. My apologies, Leaf Rock Planet But Have Not Won a Cup Since Jesus Was Born fan dude. I should have known better than to insult the centre of the universe...er...Leafs Nation...whatever.
But since I'm here, I'll back up what I said...
The fact that it is next to impossible to pick a suitable replacement for Sundin as the Leafs' captain does show their weakness. If it were other teams, such as oh, I don't know...the Flames...you could say that suitable replacements for Iginla might be Phaneuf, Langkow, Nolan, Regehr, Warrener, Conroy, Lombardi, or even Wayne Primeau. The fact that the Leafs probably have not one better leader than the 8 guys I just listed for the Flames should tell you something.
By the way, I picked the Flames because I hate the Flames. I'm an Oiler/Wild/Pens fan.
Well if you can honestly select any of those players from the Flames than you must be able to acknowledge Kaberle, McCabe, Tucker, Steen, Stajan, Blake, Antropov... and if you are going to include Primeau than you can include Belak. At least Belak has some character! I think Steen will fit quite nicely as a C and would represent the team honorably. Wellwood should also be on this list.
Nolan and Conroy are your only two names thatI can agree with on your list. |
| Leafs Rock Planet |
Posted - 10/27/2007 : 10:20:38
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Originally posted by fly4apuckguy
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Originally posted by Leafs Rock Planet
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Originally posted by fly4apuckguy
This thread has exposed just how weak the Leafs are, you know.
I dont know how you can justify saying that. Just because a couple of guests post some stupid remarks stating how "Wade Belak" should be captain does not make the Leafs a week team by any meens. If you are going to base your comment on guest posting, than please dont respond to my post here. But if you have a knowledgeable response to why the Leafs are week other than guest posting than please do respond to my post here. Also do not say the Leafs are week because of any management like JFJ. This topic is about a team matter so back yourself up with a team matter issue.
I'm sorry, I wasn't aware that you had the right to tell other people what to say and think. My apologies, Leaf Rock Planet But Have Not Won a Cup Since Jesus Was Born fan dude.
Im sorry Fly,but point out once in my post where I said anything about what to think or say.
It doesnt make any sense what you are saying about your example with the Flames. What you are saying pretty much is that any team (in your case the flames) are better than a team that doesnt have as many leaders like the Leafs. Look at Pittsburgh, they dont have nearly as many leaders as you seem to think Calgary does.
News flash......Leaders help a team... they dont make a team. |
| fly4apuckguy |
Posted - 10/27/2007 : 09:14:41
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Originally posted by Leafs Rock Planet
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Originally posted by fly4apuckguy
This thread has exposed just how weak the Leafs are, you know.
I dont know how you can justify saying that. Just because a couple of guests post some stupid remarks stating how "Wade Belak" should be captain does not make the Leafs a week team by any meens. If you are going to base your comment on guest posting, than please dont respond to my post here. But if you have a knowledgeable response to why the Leafs are week other than guest posting than please do respond to my post here. Also do not say the Leafs are week because of any management like JFJ. This topic is about a team matter so back yourself up with a team matter issue.
I'm sorry, I wasn't aware that you had the right to tell other people what to say and think. My apologies, Leaf Rock Planet But Have Not Won a Cup Since Jesus Was Born fan dude. I should have known better than to insult the centre of the universe...er...Leafs Nation...whatever.
But since I'm here, I'll back up what I said...
The fact that it is next to impossible to pick a suitable replacement for Sundin as the Leafs' captain does show their weakness. If it were other teams, such as oh, I don't know...the Flames...you could say that suitable replacements for Iginla might be Phaneuf, Langkow, Nolan, Regehr, Warrener, Conroy, Lombardi, or even Wayne Primeau. The fact that the Leafs probably have not one better leader than the 8 guys I just listed for the Flames should tell you something.
By the way, I picked the Flames because I hate the Flames. I'm an Oiler/Wild/Pens fan. |
| PuckNuts |
Posted - 10/27/2007 : 09:10:12
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Originally posted by Guest2919
for all of you who doubt this assessment let it be known that jody shelley has lead the blue jackets in scoring for the past 5 seasons and in that time amassed 141 goals and 266 assists
Funny Jody Shelley has a total of 29 points in his career, OH that's one more than Belak...
I don't necessarily agree with everything I say.
- - Marshall McLuhan
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| Leafs Rock Planet |
Posted - 10/27/2007 : 06:50:05
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Originally posted by fly4apuckguy
This thread has exposed just how weak the Leafs are, you know.
I dont know how you can justify saying that. Just because a couple of guests post some stupid remarks stating how "Wade Belak" should be captain does not make the Leafs a week team by any meens. If you are going to base your comment on guest posting, than please dont respond to my post here. But if you have a knowledgeable response to why the Leafs are week other than guest posting than please do respond to my post here. Also do not say the Leafs are week because of any management like JFJ. This topic is about a team matter so back yourself up with a team matter issue. |
| Leafs Rock Planet |
Posted - 10/27/2007 : 06:42:57
Kaberle would probably have to be the leading candidate for the captaincy right now.
Alexander Steen and Matt Stajan are two names that popped into my head for the future. I dont know if they are captain material but assistant captains for sure.
Than there is the possibility of Tucker. But I just dont see Tucker as a leader of a hockey team. The leadership is just not there when it comes to him. He is too much of a whiner and a complainer that making him the captain would just ruin the team especially for the young guys. |
| fly4apuckguy |
Posted - 10/26/2007 : 21:16:58
Tucker is a good leader on some levels, I'll admit. But he's too consistently dumb to be captain. How about some love for Matt Stajan. I'm not saying tomorrow, but maybe in a few years.
Naa, that was dumb. They need to trade for someone. Or sign a free agent and make him captain.
This thread has exposed just how weak the Leafs are, you know. |
| nashvillepreds |
Posted - 10/26/2007 : 12:51:55
I completely agree with you.
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| Guest9761 |
Posted - 10/26/2007 : 12:51:03
hey, belak a leader?
If he's so much of a leader how come he plays hafl the season in the minors. If you call him a leader, Tucker is a better one.
I voted for kaberle, either him or mccabe but mccabe doesn't havew the talent. |
| Guest4139 |
Posted - 10/26/2007 : 12:35:42
k how the hell cant belak not be a player in the nhl....
the guy is an essential leader in the dressing room
plus he has a great sense of humour |
| hkalirah |
Posted - 10/26/2007 : 12:32:47
If you pick the best player, then you have to pick Kaberle. If it's a character guy you're looking for, then it has to be Darcy Tucker.
Wings are used to fly, Leaves only fall. |
| nashvillepreds |
Posted - 10/26/2007 : 12:30:43
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Originally posted by fly4apuckguy
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Originally posted by nashvillepreds
wow, Belak. dumbest thing i've heard in a while.
GO PREDATORS GO
I actually thought it was quite ingenious when compared to Antropov. Sheesh, the guy has nine decent games and suddenly people think he should be captain.
If that doesn't scream desperation, nothing does.
And hey...Belak is a Saskatchewan boy! Represent!!
Thank you, somebody who finally agrees with me. Belak just isn't fit to be a captain (or a player in the NHL)
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| MarkhamMax |
Posted - 10/26/2007 : 11:01:47
The truth is, I don't see anybody on the current Leafs' roster that is a 'natural fit' as a Captain.
With a gun to my head, I'd have to go with Jason Blake. Though his history with the team is a short one.
Kaberle leads by example, and is my favorite Leafs player, but I don't feel he is necessarily the right candidate for the role. He sort of lacks presence, which I feel a captain must have.
Beyond that, and it might strike some as being laughable to suggest, but I wonder if putting a 'C' on McCabe's sweater might be the 'call to duty' he needs.
Despite failing to meet the expectations of the fans, mostly based on a 20 goal streak that even surprised him at times, and garnered him a big raise, he strikes me as being closer to what a leader should be than just about everyone on the team.
The boobirds may have it in for him, but he took his lumps with solid character.
"Alfredsson is not Batman's butler's son." |
| Guest2919 |
Posted - 10/26/2007 : 10:49:41
for all of you who doubt this assessment let it be known that jody shelley has lead the blue jackets in scoring for the past 5 seasons and in that time amassed 141 goals and 266 assists |
| Guest2919 |
Posted - 10/26/2007 : 10:45:52
yes i truly believe that a jody shelley package is in the making and that he will crack the line up in 3-4 weeks and after the leafs see his underrated speed and talent will have little chose but to make him an alterate captain |
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