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| hkalirah |
Posted - 11/12/2007 : 08:31:35
So I’m reading the “Truth & Rumours” section on the si.com website (Actually it’s “Truth & Rumors”, but I prefer the Canadian spelling), and I come across a blurb which goes “Belak says someone will kill Steve Avery”.
I read the same article on the canoe.ca website.
For those of you who haven’t read it yet, it basically states Belak’s frustration over how Steve Avery is able to get away with all the crap he pulls.
During the pre-game warm-up before the Leafs/Rangers game, Avery started jaw jacking with Tucker & Blake. Apparently the same thing happened before a Rangers/Devils game earlier in the year, and his target was Brodeur.
Belak said that the league should do something about this, or the players will take it into their own hands.
While I don’t have anything against Avery for antics during games (other than the diving), I feel that this pre-game B.S. has to stop.
The NHL should step in and perhaps put in a rule which states opposing teams needs to stay 5 or 6 feet away from the centre ice line during warm-ups. Any violation in the rule should result in some sort of penalty to begin the game.
What do you think?
Go Wings Go! |
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| Alex |
Posted - 12/17/2007 : 16:24:12
Well I wasn't following the argument with you and PensFan, but it seems to me that, quite cleverly, he inferred that since good teams have the players we have been talking about, why do neither the Sens nor Wings have 'goons.' I do not know the position you hold, the point is, that I think it doesn't matter if you have an 'enforcer' as they are most formerly called, a smart defenseman, or a guy who knows how to hit hard when he has the chance -- point is, physical play well utilized is tyring on the other team.
Habs get number 25 this year |
| Pasty7 |
Posted - 12/17/2007 : 16:14:25
quote:
Originally posted by Alex
But you don't even need a goon, you need a good hitter. Phaneuf does that! Stevens did that! Even somebody like Lidstrom is so tiring to forwards, it is a big reason for his success. Being smart at hockey pays off
Habs get number 25 this year
thats what i have been saying???
Pasty |
| Alex |
Posted - 12/17/2007 : 15:15:47
But you don't even need a goon, you need a good hitter. Phaneuf does that! Stevens did that! Even somebody like Lidstrom is so tiring to forwards, it is a big reason for his success. Being smart at hockey pays off
Habs get number 25 this year |
| Pasty7 |
Posted - 12/17/2007 : 10:21:33
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Originally posted by pensfan17
quote:
Originally posted by Alex
The fourth liners and scrappers are largely underrated. Mental toughness is a huge part of the game. Grinding players is the number one way to tire them out. The teams that played the Broad Street bullies got much more worn down than the teams that played any speedy opponents. I talk from first hand experience.
Giveaways happen, momentum shifts, players get moving. All the stuff that paper and pencil can not measure.
Habs get number 25 this year
I agree with you 100% alex. Its all the little things that win hockey games
i never said anything about fourth liners ,, i said they guys who are there to take someones head off,, like belak come on the only thing he changes in a game is winning a fight,,, he takes the place of a true fourth linner guys like maxime lapierre for example who do all the things you describe they play pyschical high energy cause turn overs plus hes 24 and could have a futur in the nhl belak is just a big disgrace to our game!
Pasty |
| Pasty7 |
Posted - 12/17/2007 : 10:17:04
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Originally posted by pensfan17
detroit doesnt have a goon and for ottawa:
neil 31 3 6 9
mcgratton 18 0 3 3
What amazing offensive numbers
detroit doesn;t have a goon Aaron downey? is he a goal scorer??
and the fact that they dont have one is my point if you dont think downey is a goon well there you go they're the best team in the league and they dont have some bozo like belak
Pasty |
| Alex |
Posted - 12/16/2007 : 19:56:55
Thank you Pens Fan. Do you have any experiences you would like to share? I think we can go into a good directin from this, give the spotlight to guys who rarely get it.
Personally, I remember in the finals of a tourny I got bashed hard with my head down. I had a headache, the guy who hit me hardly played, other than to hit me and to take the wind out of our star player. We were the favourites, they beat us by a goal. I nearly fainted at the end of the game, and was in pain on the bench. My job on the team, as fastest skater, with a bad shot, was to jump on loose pucks and feed open men. How fast can a dizzy 9 year old skate?
Habs get number 25 this year |
| pensfan17 |
Posted - 12/16/2007 : 19:48:31
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Originally posted by Alex
The fourth liners and scrappers are largely underrated. Mental toughness is a huge part of the game. Grinding players is the number one way to tire them out. The teams that played the Broad Street bullies got much more worn down than the teams that played any speedy opponents. I talk from first hand experience.
Giveaways happen, momentum shifts, players get moving. All the stuff that paper and pencil can not measure.
Habs get number 25 this year
I agree with you 100% alex. Its all the little things that win hockey games |
| Alex |
Posted - 12/16/2007 : 19:45:42
The fourth liners and scrappers are largely underrated. Mental toughness is a huge part of the game. Grinding players is the number one way to tire them out. The teams that played the Broad Street bullies got much more worn down than the teams that played any speedy opponents. I talk from first hand experience.
Giveaways happen, momentum shifts, players get moving. All the stuff that paper and pencil can not measure.
Habs get number 25 this year |
| pensfan17 |
Posted - 12/16/2007 : 19:27:09
detroit doesnt have a goon and for ottawa:
neil 31 3 6 9
mcgratton 18 0 3 3
What amazing offensive numbers
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| Pasty7 |
Posted - 12/16/2007 : 19:04:30
first belak is a problem why?? he takes the place of a good young player who could be profiting from nhl ice,, lookn at the best teams in the league ottowa detroit both of their goons as you may refer to them cn also produce and have legit spot on the club,, the teams power forwards should be imposeing enough
Pasty |
| pensfan17 |
Posted - 12/16/2007 : 18:28:55
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Originally posted by Pasty7
bah honestly guys like belak have no place in the nhl... hes got a big mouth he is as classless as avery and all he can do on the ice is fight,, and even at that he isn;t all that good,,, at least guys like every still can produce for a team,, don't get me wrong i'm not saying fighting shouldn;t be a part of hockey but i have a lot more respect for a guy like jarome iginla and lecavalier going at it,, (despite theres 13 million dollar hands in that fight.) At least when two players like them fight they're fighting for the right reasons to boost there team to put a guy in his place after a cheap shot and guys like that are complete hockey players,,, i say we make it a rule in the nhl no four line teams,,,, you get three lines thats it.... then there would be no room for belak and guys of his poor caliber in the nhl,
Pasty
Sure belak is not very talented, but he IS A GOOD FIGHTER, he can hit, and can play both forward and defence.
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| Pasty7 |
Posted - 12/16/2007 : 07:08:12
bah honestly guys like belak have no place in the nhl... hes got a big mouth he is as classless as avery and all he can do on the ice is fight,, and even at that he isn;t all that good,,, at least guys like every still can produce for a team,, don't get me wrong i'm not saying fighting shouldn;t be a part of hockey but i have a lot more respect for a guy like jarome iginla and lecavalier going at it,, (despite theres 13 million dollar hands in that fight.) At least when two players like them fight they're fighting for the right reasons to boost there team to put a guy in his place after a cheap shot and guys like that are complete hockey players,,, i say we make it a rule in the nhl no four line teams,,,, you get three lines thats it.... then there would be no room for belak and guys of his poor caliber in the nhl,
Pasty |
| Alex |
Posted - 12/16/2007 : 06:19:58
Beans I couldm't have said it better myself. Therefore, I didn't.
Honestly, Avery is one of the smartest players in the NHL. He does so much for his team in a roundabout way, as illustrated in that hypothetical episode you just spelled out for us all. That is why he is so valuable. He can't fight for, excuse the pun, beans. Unless you are 5'10 or shorter, you should be able to clean the ice with him. What he is good at: he has a way of getting under player's skin, and causing them to lose hteir focus. That is all he does. And by gosh, he does it well.
Habs get number 25 this year |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 11/13/2007 : 10:17:58
Belak would more than likey win a fight with Avery. And Avery might even turtle if Belak got his hands on him.
Then, during the ensuing power-play that NYR would be on because of the instigator, the Leafs more than likely go down by a goal.
Then, the Rangers send out 6'3", 222 lbs Colton Orr to dance with Belak. I put my money on Orr because I think Belak can't really fight, he is just big.
So, who wins in that?? Avery is fine, TO is down by a goal, and Belak got beat up by Orr.
I'm not that far off with that........................
PS - Fighting on the ice and fighting in a cage are two totally different things. I would put my money on 5'10", 163 lbs Patrick Kane against Chuck Liddell on the ice. Liddell more than likely can't skate, will be on the ice, and doesn't fight with the use of a jersey to grab onto.
Wayne or Bobby?? How about both!!! |
| ED11 |
Posted - 11/13/2007 : 09:17:38
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Originally posted by MSC
You make a vaild point there...may I try and disspell your bigger means better theory though?
Chuck Liddel 6'0 205Lbs Vs. Wade Belak 6'5 228Lbs
In my head I thought Chuck had that one, but Belak is bigger so the edge goes go Belak
Wade Belak Vs. Rosie O'Donnell 5'7 250-300Lbs
I really thought Belak had this one in the bag, he still has the reach so that should help. Unfortunatly Rosie just plain out weighs him. Better hit the gym Wade if you want to compete with Rosie, she's in a league of her own right now.
Funny. We are obviously talking about two guys fighting in the NHL. Not a UFC fighter or a talk show host. What are you trying to prove by posting that witty comment? It's pretty humorous...I'll give you that. But you and I BOTH know what I meant. You think that Avery stands a chance only because you HATE Belak. Belak would destroy Avery. |
| redwings85 |
Posted - 11/13/2007 : 06:09:50
I highly doubt, someone who sink that low, and make fun of someone's cancer. . .
He always gets with Tucker, because, Tucker always gives in, he knows Tucker is weak minded, and can't focus. I am sure if Belak was there, they would have squared off.
Avery is smart like that, he know's the players with short fuses, and goes after em. |
| hkalirah |
Posted - 11/13/2007 : 06:03:34
Update on this situation. Reports say that during the pre-game incident the other night, Avery was mocking Jason Blakes, by saying something derogatory about his leukemia.
He's Ignorant and classless.
And yes he will turtle in a fight. When was the last time you saw him fight a Laraque, Bougaurd, or even Belak? He instead chooses to fight Tucker. I realize Belak didn't even play in that game, however I'm pretty sure that Avery wouldn't have dropped the gloves, because he's a coward.
Go Wings Go! |
| redwings85 |
Posted - 11/13/2007 : 05:42:04
hm..
You know, I love Avery, always have, since he was on the red wings, he is your enforcer with atitude, him turtle from a fight? doubtful... just Because someone is taller/heavier, doesn't mean they will kick your ass, you must really think just because your bigger/heavier you will always win... i think your wrong...
Look at Domi for christ sakes, he is what... 5"10 if im not mistaken, and look what he did to players taller than him!
Avery has some skill, on the ice, but his main skill is to be a pest, and get underneath people's skin, and he does a bang up job if you tell me.
I think everyteam needs some type of Avery character on the team.
He is allready doing better then Tucker, and Belak put together this season...
Belak - 2007-08 8GP 0G 0A 0PTS -2
Tucker - 2007-08 11GP 1G 4A 5PTS -3 - Missed 7 Games to Knee.
and now Avery folks
2007-08 7GP 2G 3A 5PTS -1 - He missed 11 games to Shoulder Seperation |
| MSC |
Posted - 11/13/2007 : 00:39:04
You make a vaild point there...may I try and disspell your bigger means better theory though?
Chuck Liddel 6'0 205Lbs Vs. Wade Belak 6'5 228Lbs
In my head I thought Chuck had that one, but Belak is bigger so the edge goes go Belak
Wade Belak Vs. Rosie O'Donnell 5'7 250-300Lbs
I really thought Belak had this one in the bag, he still has the reach so that should help. Unfortunatly Rosie just plain out weighs him. Better hit the gym Wade if you want to compete with Rosie, she's in a league of her own right now. |
| ED11 |
Posted - 11/12/2007 : 23:40:14
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Originally posted by MSC
I think it's time for Wade Belak to stop doing interviews. Maybe if he had the talent, or the ability to back up what he says it'd be fine. But I think Avery would actually give him a good go if they went at it. The hard part would be getting them on the ice at the same time seeing as how Belak only plays what, 30 seconds a game?
Are you joking?!?! Please tell me you are joking? Avery give Belak a run for his money...what makes you think(apart from the fact that you hate Belak) that a 5' 10", 195lbs guy stands a chance against a 6 '5", 221lbs guy?
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| MSC |
Posted - 11/12/2007 : 20:27:17
I think it's time for Wade Belak to stop doing interviews. Maybe if he had the talent, or the ability to back up what he says it'd be fine. But I think Avery would actually give him a good go if they went at it. The hard part would be getting them on the ice at the same time seeing as how Belak only plays what, 30 seconds a game? |
| Canucks Man |
Posted - 11/12/2007 : 11:06:19
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Originally posted by fly4apuckguy
Avery knows that if he gets under someone's skin, they'll end up taking a stupid penalty against him during the game.
I'm generally against MORE rules, because they usually benefit the jerks like Avery. It protects his stupidity. The instigator rule protects this clown. I say REMOVE the instigator rule, and let someone teach him a lesson old-school. Yes, he'd probably turtle, but it would be worth it to get a few licks in. A few nights of getting punched in the face might teach him to shut the heck up for awhile.
I'm against the level of retribution Belak is talking about, though. I don't want anyone to get seriously injured. But with more rules, I think you just empower a guy like him. He can still yap with a 6 foot barrier and during the game, too.
Fly I am in complete agreement with you. I think the instigator rule is one of the dumbest in hockey.
CANUCKS RULE!!!
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| Guest2144 |
Posted - 11/12/2007 : 09:33:39
these guys get paid the big bucks to play hockey... they should be able to tune out the yapping... Bring the Jets back |
| fly4apuckguy |
Posted - 11/12/2007 : 09:31:28
I knew who you meant.
All you have to do is say "Avery" when it comes to hockey, and people will respond. No first name necessary. |
| hkalirah |
Posted - 11/12/2007 : 09:23:47
Sorry, Steve Avery was a pitcher for the Braves.
Go Wings Go! |
| Guest9253 |
Posted - 11/12/2007 : 09:04:22
I think the fact that he was that effective against Toronto shows his value -the team is even distracted by him long after the game is over!! Like it or not that was Avery doing what he is paid to do -along with score (he is actually quite a gifted offensive performer as well) I think every team in the NHL would like to have him with current NHL rules in effect.
By the way isn't he Sean Avery? |
| fly4apuckguy |
Posted - 11/12/2007 : 08:43:42
Avery knows that if he gets under someone's skin, they'll end up taking a stupid penalty against him during the game.
I'm generally against MORE rules, because they usually benefit the jerks like Avery. It protects his stupidity. The instigator rule protects this clown. I say REMOVE the instigator rule, and let someone teach him a lesson old-school. Yes, he'd probably turtle, but it would be worth it to get a few licks in. A few nights of getting punched in the face might teach him to shut the heck up for awhile.
I'm against the level of retribution Belak is talking about, though. I don't want anyone to get seriously injured. But with more rules, I think you just empower a guy like him. He can still yap with a 6 foot barrier and during the game, too. |
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