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| JOSHUACANADA |
Posted - 06/18/2009 : 09:26:54
Every one has stated their opinion for the Canadian Roster. I would like to see the Russian roster, as I think it will vary greatly between posters. |
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| JOSHUACANADA |
Posted - 06/25/2009 : 10:19:19
If i was going to mix the lines, which never works by the way, my team would look like this.
OvechkinLW FederovC SeminRW (These guys have chemistry)
KovalchukLW MalkinC RadulovRW (Malkin/Kovalchuk like bread and butter)
ZherdevLW DatsyukC KovalevRW or Samsonov on LW
FrolovLW YashinC AfinogenovRW (Yashin use to be Russia's MVP)
D1 Gonchar Markov
D2 Zubov Volchenkov
D3 Tyutin Grebeshkov
I didn't # the forward lines because I dont think one line or the other has a distinct advantage. Mind you I havent seen Yashin or Radulov play for a while, but these forward lines are killer. Defensive pairing top 2 are high scoring blue chip prospects who would be #1-#2 on most NHL teams. |
| Guest9655 |
Posted - 06/25/2009 : 09:57:59
quote:
Originally posted by Beans15
No, I never realized it was recent. And I still don't agree. There was a bit of gap in the mid-90's when "The Wall" came down. (I think you are talking about two different things as "The Wall" was in Germany in 1989 and the USSR broke into independent states in 1990) but other than that, the Russian team has alway been a top 3-4 team in the world, regardless of the event. It's normally Russia, Canada, and one of Sweden, Finland, or the Czech Republic as the favorites in most every tourney.
Maybe he meant the "Curtain" ? |
| Guest9656 |
Posted - 06/25/2009 : 09:52:39
quote:
Originally posted by slozo
Have to admit, the Russian team is REALLY stacked up top, can easily match or supercede the Canadian talent there . . . the Canucks will have a hard time with the russkies I tell ya.
Me, I'd be putting Ovechkin with Semin, they play well together, and for all the international teams they favour putting together players who have some chemistry, as they should.
Ovechkin Malkin Semin
Kovalchuk Datsyuk Kovalev
V.Kozlov Federov Radulov
Gonchar Markov
Zubov Volchenkov
Tyutin Kalinin
plus some other KHL players that I'm not familiar with . . .
"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug
I would say your second line is more deadly...Kovalchuk has been a horse in international play! |
| JOSHUACANADA |
Posted - 06/25/2009 : 08:55:11
quote:
Originally posted by Beans15
No, I never realized it was recent. And I still don't agree. There was a bit of gap in the mid-90's when "The Wall" came down. (I think you are talking about two different things as "The Wall" was in Germany in 1989 and the USSR broke into independent states in 1990) but other than that, the Russian team has alway been a top 3-4 team in the world, regardless of the event. It's normally Russia, Canada, and one of Sweden, Finland, or the Czech Republic as the favorites in most every tourney.
Are you, now giving a history lesson. I never said Russia didn't have a good team just not all of the best players available. I stated players started defecting post the wall coming down, but was relating Russia not having the best team they could have on the ice and dominating international play around the 1992 Olympics. I quote "Actually I was mostly refering to the Olympics dating back to 1992, the timeframe I was refering to after the Wall came down and players started defecting." You dont have to agree with me but dont pick a fight with regards to a history lesson on USSR being abolished. I never stated that you did. |
| Rambo2305 |
Posted - 06/25/2009 : 05:11:00
quote:
Originally posted by Beans15
No, I never realized it was recent. And I still don't agree. There was a bit of gap in the mid-90's when "The Wall" came down. (I think you are talking about two different things as "The Wall" was in Germany in 1989 and the USSR broke into independent states in 1990) but other than that, the Russian team has alway been a top 3-4 team in the world, regardless of the event. It's normally Russia, Canada, and one of Sweden, Finland, or the Czech Republic as the favorites in most every tourney.
You forgot to mention the U.S. as a yearly favourite (minus the 60's and 70's) lol Can't forget the 1980 team, after that, the U.S. had a boom in inspired players...
"Most people spend time and energy going around problems, rather than trying to solve them" - Henry Ford |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 06/24/2009 : 22:13:47
No, I never realized it was recent. And I still don't agree. There was a bit of gap in the mid-90's when "The Wall" came down. (I think you are talking about two different things as "The Wall" was in Germany in 1989 and the USSR broke into independent states in 1990) but other than that, the Russian team has alway been a top 3-4 team in the world, regardless of the event. It's normally Russia, Canada, and one of Sweden, Finland, or the Czech Republic as the favorites in most every tourney. |
| JOSHUACANADA |
Posted - 06/20/2009 : 13:46:25
I figured, you would have realized I meant recently. Actually I was mostly refering to the Olympics dating back to 1992, the timeframe I was refering to after the Wall came down and players started defecting. Plus, Canada's lack of Olympic medals prior to 1992 was due to the best Professional players not included in the Canadian roster until 1992, I think. |
| Pasty7 |
Posted - 06/20/2009 : 09:20:37
quote:
Originally posted by Beans15
quote:
Originally posted by JOSHUACANADA
Reason why Russia didn't win more internationally in the past has always been most players wouldn't play for Russian coaches, GM's or for the political climate in Russia. Usually Russia goes in with 2/3rds of a good team in the Worlds or Olympics, with filler players we have never, and never will hear from again.
This upcoming Olympics may be different. Most players will play for Bure and the other coaches and management. Politically Russia is now a little more friendlier to represent on the world stage.
What?? Russia hasn't done well in the past??? Did you ever hear of the Red Army??? Geez. The Soviet Union(CIS/Russia) won 8 of 10 Olympic Gold Medals between 1956 and 1992! In the 14 times the Olympics were played between 1956 and 2006, there were only 2 times where the USSR/CIS/RUS didn't medal. In that period of time where they won 8 Golds, 2 Silver, and 2 Bronze. In that same period of time, the mighty Team Canada have less than 1/2 that total (2 Bronze, 3 Silver, 1 Gold).
Who has not been successful??? Wow. USSR didn't play in the Olympics before 1956 and they are still as successful as any other team who has played in 7 more Olympic Games.
not to mention thanks to the world cup this year russia is ahead of canada in the world rankings
Pasty |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 06/19/2009 : 16:55:33
quote:
Originally posted by JOSHUACANADA
Reason why Russia didn't win more internationally in the past has always been most players wouldn't play for Russian coaches, GM's or for the political climate in Russia. Usually Russia goes in with 2/3rds of a good team in the Worlds or Olympics, with filler players we have never, and never will hear from again.
This upcoming Olympics may be different. Most players will play for Bure and the other coaches and management. Politically Russia is now a little more friendlier to represent on the world stage.
What?? Russia hasn't done well in the past??? Did you ever hear of the Red Army??? Geez. The Soviet Union(CIS/Russia) won 8 of 10 Olympic Gold Medals between 1956 and 1992! In the 14 times the Olympics were played between 1956 and 2006, there were only 2 times where the USSR/CIS/RUS didn't medal. In that period of time where they won 8 Golds, 2 Silver, and 2 Bronze. In that same period of time, the mighty Team Canada have less than 1/2 that total (2 Bronze, 3 Silver, 1 Gold).
Who has not been successful??? Wow. USSR didn't play in the Olympics before 1956 and they are still as successful as any other team who has played in 7 more Olympic Games. |
| Guest0829 |
Posted - 06/18/2009 : 18:36:14
quote:
Originally posted by slozo
Have to admit, the Russian team is REALLY stacked up top, can easily match or supercede the Canadian talent there . . . the Canucks will have a hard time with the russkies I tell ya.
Ovechkin Malkin Semin
Kovalchuk Datsyuk Kovalev
V.Kozlov Federov Radulov
Gonchar Markov
Zubov Volchenkov
Tyutin Kalinin
Top 2 lines they are Canada's equal. Though I'd put Datsyuk with Ovie and Semin. Malkin has a nasty shot in which Kovalev can feed from the wing. Yashin and Slava Kozlov are pretty good bet to be on the team.
Though they are talented, they aren't able to match Canada's depth. Canada's 3rd and 4th lines are head and shoulders above anyone elses. Canada's D is solid throughout also and easily tops this grouping or any other grouping.
Surprisingly goalies are pretty much even on the top teams. I mean either Brodeur or Luongo for Canada. The Russians have Khabby or Nabby. Sweden has Lundqvist. US has Miller or if he is healthy, Dipietro. |
| JOSHUACANADA |
Posted - 06/18/2009 : 11:59:42
Reason why Russia didn't win more internationally in the past has always been most players wouldn't play for Russian coaches, GM's or for the political climate in Russia. Usually Russia goes in with 2/3rds of a good team in the Worlds or Olympics, with filler players we have never, and never will hear from again.
This upcoming Olympics may be different. Most players will play for Bure and the other coaches and management. Politically Russia is now a little more friendlier to represent on the world stage. |
| n/a |
Posted - 06/18/2009 : 11:51:00
Have to admit, the Russian team is REALLY stacked up top, can easily match or supercede the Canadian talent there . . . the Canucks will have a hard time with the russkies I tell ya.
Me, I'd be putting Ovechkin with Semin, they play well together, and for all the international teams they favour putting together players who have some chemistry, as they should.
Ovechkin Malkin Semin
Kovalchuk Datsyuk Kovalev
V.Kozlov Federov Radulov
Gonchar Markov
Zubov Volchenkov
Tyutin Kalinin
plus some other KHL players that I'm not familiar with . . .
"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug |
| Rambo2305 |
Posted - 06/18/2009 : 10:40:29
quote:
Originally posted by JOSHUACANADA
Who's Atyushov? I havent heard of this guy. Is he a prospect. What I have heard is a lot of people writing off the Russian league as substandard. I had a hard time filling out a roster based on Russian players in the NHL alone. Only exessive players were LW and Goalie. You would have a hard time filling a single NHL team of just Russian players alone. Maybe this KHL is getting the lion share of Russian players. I have found recently, the majority of the most exciting players offensively have come from Russia.
Yea, the KHL has alot of the ballsy Russians that can do wonders with a puck. Yashin had a solid year there, surrounded by young talent, he stacked up the Assists! lol As good as the Russians in the NHL are, you can expect to see alot of the KHL players in 2010...
"Most people spend time and energy going around problems, rather than trying to solve them" - Henry Ford |
| Matt_Roberts85 |
Posted - 06/18/2009 : 10:39:52
Styushov plays in the KHL. I guarantee there is a substanstial sprinkling of KHL players on the club
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E". |
| JOSHUACANADA |
Posted - 06/18/2009 : 10:37:16
Who's Atyushov? I havent heard of this guy. Is he a prospect. What I have heard is a lot of people writing off the Russian league as substandard. I had a hard time filling out a roster based on Russian players in the NHL alone. Only exessive players were LW and Goalie. You would have a hard time filling a single NHL team of just Russian players alone. Maybe this KHL is getting the lion share of Russian players. I have found recently, the majority of the most exciting players offensively have come from Russia. |
| Guest7281 |
Posted - 06/18/2009 : 10:32:37
quote:
Originally posted by Rambo2305
1st Line: Malkin, Ovechkin, Semin
2nd Line: Datsyuk, Radulov, Kovalchuk
3rd Line: Backstrom, Fedorov, Kovalev
4th Line: Yashin, Zherdev, Kulemin
D-Line 1: Gonchar, Markov
D-Line 2: Zubov, Tyutin
D-Line 3: Volchenkov, Atyushov
Goalie: Nabakov
Khabibulin
Thats assuming they only pick their NHLer's, we forget how many Russian Superstars play in the KHL/Europe...
"Most people spend time and energy going around problems, rather than trying to solve them" - Henry Ford
Backstrom is Swedish |
| JOSHUACANADA |
Posted - 06/18/2009 : 10:26:53
KhabibulinG1, NabokovG2, BryzgalovG3,
Varlamov reserve Goalie
KovalchukLW, OveckinLW, SamsonovLW, FrolovLW, ZherdevLW
MalkinC/W, YashinC, FederovC/D, DatsyukC,
SeminRW, AfinogenovRW, KovalevRW, RadulovRW
KozlovC, KozlovLW reserve forwards
MarkovD, GoncharD, TyutinD, ZubovD, GrebeshkovD, VolchenkovD,
KalininD, SemenovD reserve defenseman
Varlamov as Goalie#3 |
| Rambo2305 |
Posted - 06/18/2009 : 09:53:51
1st Line: Evgeni Malkin, Alex Ovechkin, Alexander Semin
2nd Line: Pavel Datsyuk, Alexander Radulov, Iyla Kovalchuk
3rd Line: Slava Kozlov, Sergei Fedorov, Alex Kovalev
4th Line: Alexie Yashin, Nikolai Zherdev, Viktor Kozlov
D-Line 1: Sergei Gonchar, Andrei Markov
D-Line 2: Sergei Zubov, Fedor Tyutin
D-Line 3: Anton Volchenkov, Dimitri Kalinin
Goalie: Evgeni Nabakov
Goalie 2: Simion Varalamov
Goalie 3: Nikolai Khabibulin
Thats assuming they only pick their NHLer's, we forget how many Russian Superstars play in the KHL/Europe...
"Most people spend time and energy going around problems, rather than trying to solve them" - Henry Ford |
| Matt_Roberts85 |
Posted - 06/18/2009 : 09:41:42
Forwards
First Line
C Evgeni Malkin
LW Alexander Ovechkin
RW Ilya Kovalchuk
Second Line
C Pavel Datsyuk
LW Alexander Semin
RW Alexander Radulov
Third Line
C Sergei Fedorov
LW Alexei Kovalev
RW Aleksay Morosov
Fourth Line
C Alexei Yashin
LW Sergey Mozyakin
RW Nikolai Zherdev
Defense
First Pairing
LD Sergei Gonchar
RD Andrei Markov
Second Pairing
LD Sergei Zubov
RD Fedor Tyutin
Third Pairing
LD Anton Volchenkov
RD Vitaly Atyushov
Goal
Evgeni Nabokov
Nikolai Khabibulin
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E". |
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