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| Guest7924 |
Posted - 02/09/2011 : 10:14:58
Beauchemin to the Ducks for Lupul, Jake Gardiner (D) and a conditional fourth rounder pick in 2012.
I've heard some good things about jake Gardiner. |
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| Leafs81 |
Posted - 02/10/2011 : 12:36:04
I'm not too sure about this trade. Yes the Leafs had a lot of defenseman in the organization, but I would of traded away others before trading Beauchemin. But I guess the others would have not fetch as much. I always liked Beauchemin.
It's a pretty fair trade, Toronto gets another good prospect on defense in their system, they get a potential top six forward (if healthy), they also get to put Aulie into the lineup. Anaheim gets a solid defense for the playoff run and they also relieve a million or so in cap hit for next year.
Komisarek is the one I would like to see go, but who would be interested in taking his efty contract???? I honnestly think it would be better to have Komisarek in the AHL and Finger in the NHL. Even though Jeff Finger never lived up to his 3.5 million dollar contract, he was pretty solid.
So if Kaberle gets traded or doesn't resign, this leaves us with... Phaneuf, Schenn, Komisarek, Gunnarson, Aulie, Lebda and Finger for next year. Lebda, Komisarek and Finger needs to go, ouch still lots of work to do there Brian... |
| n/a |
Posted - 02/10/2011 : 04:26:00
Going over the details and listening to the Leafs radio yesterday, the consensus is exactly what Alex stated - it was a deal for a very good prospect (Gardiner) and Lupul was probably the player the Ducks said you have to take if the deal is to happen. Gardiner was a kid who was drafted by Burke, btw . . . one thing about Burke, he is loyal.
Lupul is expensive, and very risky . . . yeah, he could return to 20-30 goals perhaps, but he is unlikely to remain a top 6 forward for next year, in fact - it would be well above anyone's expectations that he could be a keeper. Anaheim's cap situation is greatly relieved by the deal though, and they had to give up a top prospect for that to happen, while getting a decent, serviceable d-man from a team that wanted to bring up youth anyways.
The deal really works for both teams, and seems pretty even at this point.
As a sidebar, I like that fact that they want to bring up Aulie - the kid included in the Phaneuf deal. He was a piece of that trade that upset Calgary fans the most, and I am glad to see management going towards youth here.
"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug |
| T-RAV |
Posted - 02/10/2011 : 03:16:26
Great deal both ways. Leafs get Gardiner for the future and if Lupul stays healthy he could add some scoring depth. Burke made a point of saying if there is a hole in their D they will fill it with Aulie. I'm excited to see this kid play more than a few games at the NHL level.
"If we succumb to a dream world, then we will wake up to a nightmare" - Jimmy Carter
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| Alex116 |
Posted - 02/09/2011 : 22:33:08
From what's being said (TSN panel), this deal was more Gardiner for Beauchemin. Lupul's contract is a big part of this deal. With two more years at 4.25mil, the Ducks wanted rid of this and TO was one of only a handful of teams that could prob take the risk with this guy?
I still think he's got the potential to put up 20-25 goals, but who knows, his health has got to be somewhat of a concern? Then again, i guess if he is injured, he goes to LTIR and they get relief on the contract?
Still like the deal overall for the Leafs, but i'm with Irv, it's not a total steal by any means! |
| irvine |
Posted - 02/09/2011 : 17:05:46
Burke got a fair deal, but, he didn't 'steal' any thing really.
First off, Lupul is a capable 25 goal scorer in the NHL. But, he's coming off of back surgery. Something that, is not easy to recover from. And, we're unsure how 'recovered' he truly is as of yet. Only time will tell.
The Leafs also get a prospect in Jake Gardiner. Don't get me wrong, I'm fairly high on Gardiner personally. He has potential. But, potential is just that. He needs to add some weight, and needs to prove he is capable at the NHL level when he gets his chance. He's used to college hockey, not NHL hockey. He plays a fair two-way game, but I don't see him producing as well at the NHL, as he does in college. He'll be relied on more for his defensive game, if he amounts to an NHL'er. Time will tell, but I do like his chances.
Finally, a conditional 4th-rd pick. To me, trading 4th+ round picks are just throw-ins, in any deal. Odds of drafting a player who will ever play in the NHL, are far from in your favor. You can point out the very few who have become successfull in the NHL, i'm well aware, but for every one, there are 200 more who did nothing.
So overall, they get a player coming off a serious injury, who may not be 100%. A young d-man, who has a lot of work to do yet, and a late round pick, that, likely will become nothing.
In return, the Ducks get a defensive minded veteran, who has proven he can be counted on most nights, to protect his own end. The Ducks needed that, and, they got that.
So I do like overall what Burke got, but, It's not a steal. At all.
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| The Duke |
Posted - 02/09/2011 : 16:59:47
Good trade for both teams, especially for the leafs  . Leave aside if Lupul can re-find his scoring touch.....this kid Gardiner was drafted 17 th over-all, ( yes Beans, imagine a 1st rd pick for Beauch !!!!! ) and has good size 6` 2``. Scouts rated him so high because of his exceptional speed and complete overall game. Could be an interesting pickup in future years, he has 30 points in 30 games this season.
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| Guest5940 |
Posted - 02/09/2011 : 15:23:00
if beachemin is worth that much then penner is worth brayden schenn, how did burke pull that one off? |
| ryan93 |
Posted - 02/09/2011 : 15:04:36
It's a good move for the Leafs IF Lupul can resdiscover some of his scoring touch. He's shown in the past that he can score at the NHL level, but has had some injury troubles in recent years & hasn't produced at his usual clip this season. He's still fairly young at 27 though, so hopefully for the Leafs sake he can be a guy counted on for 30 goals. He's starting to become a bit of a journeymen though...Anaheim, Edmonton, Philadelphia, Anaheim, Toronto... |
| Porkchop73 |
Posted - 02/09/2011 : 14:45:11
I have to agree with RC, although Beauchemin appeared to struggle in TO I think he may not have gotten as much credit for his play as he should have. I was looking at some stats and one thing stuck out in my mind. He was early in the year a -27 player and he currently is a -4. He improved his game dramatically leading up to this trade. Plus he was always having to cover for his 6.5 mil dollar partner.
All in all I think TO got a decent player who wanted a change, a prospect and a pick. Ducks got a decent dman. I think both clubs have somewhat got what they were looking for. |
| TheRC |
Posted - 02/09/2011 : 11:15:24
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Originally posted by Guest7924
This seems like a lot for Beauchemin. Is it just me or is there something fishy going on with Burke and the Ducks (his old team) First he manages to dump Blake and Toskala's brutal contracts now Francios....
Yeah, even as a Leaf fan, I couldn't believe that one, but this trade does make a little more sense.
I always thought Beauchemin was better for the Leafs than most people gave him credit for. The only times I ever saw him look bad were when he was caught flat footed because his partner (usually Phaneuf or Komisarek) tried and failed to pinch. Chasing streaking attackers or failing to stop two-on-ones may look bad, but it was less his fault than the other D, who was still halfway down the ice.
That said, he also played huge minutes for the Leafs, and until quite recently they were often against the best attackers on the other team. In Anaheim during thier best years, he seemed that much more effective because he usually only had to play against 2nd or 3rd line attakers. Neidermayer and Pronger did the heaviest lifting. Back in Anaheim again he won't have to be top dog either.
As for what the Leafs get in return, Lupul was a quality player, but injuries may still be a problem, and Anaheim has been quite used to having him out of the roster. I know nothing about Gardiner but what I've just read, and while he seems like a solid prospect, prospects are just that, prospects.
What this trade is, as far as I can see it, is the Leafs, who have plenty of defensemen, unloading a solid but surplus part to a team in Anaheim which needs that part, in exchange for a few throws of the dice. If Lupul stays healthy, Gardiner reaches his potential, or that pick turns into a roster player a few years down the line, then this is a good trade for Toronto. We won't know for a while, although it seems like 3 chances in exchange for a decent defenceman is better than one chance in exchange for two top picks!
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Posted - 02/09/2011 : 10:28:27
I think I am ok with this trade, but I will have to think more on it.
Beauchemin played a lot of tough minutes for Toronto, and although much-maligned this year, on a team with reduced minutes where he is a #3 guy, I think he would excel. Lupul is young, and may add a decent amount of depth at scoring; and Gardiner (from what I just read about him myself) seems like a real blue-chip prospect who could be the total package as a d-man if he continues to progress.
The Ducks must have really wanted Beauchemin, the more I look at it . . . adding the pick and Gardiner sort of tips it in Toronto's favour, at first glance.
Yeah, I am giving it a thumbs up. 
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| Guest7924 |
Posted - 02/09/2011 : 10:19:54
This seems like a lot for Beauchemin. Is it just me or is there something fishy going on with Burke and the Ducks (his old team) First he manages to dump Blake and Toskala's brutal contracts now Francios.... |
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