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| Pasty7 |
Posted - 02/21/2011 : 18:24:08
Rumour out of Colorado according to Bob Mckenzie says the avs may be looking to move the young center, now this may be a player Burke may move one of his new prospects and draft picks for, or if i had may way the Habs would make a play for,, if he is really available i hope Gauthier makes an offer,,, but Stastny played for team USA i could deffinetly seem Burke putting together an offer for this 25 year old center!
"I led the league in "Go get 'em next time." - Bob Uecker
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| nuxfan |
Posted - 02/27/2011 : 19:20:59
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According to the Hotstove tonight on CBC, Paul Stastny is not available...nor are Adam Foote or Milan Hejduk.
well, its a relief that the COL organization has not gone completely mad. |
| The Duke |
Posted - 02/27/2011 : 17:24:36
Really Chef ?? Gomez. I`m afraid Montreal has Gomez`s un-moveable contract until it ends.
Not much for Statsny in your offer.
In Montreals case, for a serious pitch for Statsny.....how about P.K Subban, a 1st rd pick and maybe a top prospect....that might and only might do it.
Statsny will take the farm from any team.
As a leaf fan, i`d trade L.Schenn, one of those 1st rd picks and a prospect for P. Statsny.....thats what it will take, players like Statsny just don`t come along that often. |
| ryan93 |
Posted - 02/26/2011 : 18:10:53
According to the Hotstove tonight on CBC, Paul Stastny is not available...nor are Adam Foote or Milan Hejduk. They were still speculation however that JM Liles could be available & that the Leafs are interested. |
| chef |
Posted - 02/26/2011 : 14:38:41
Kostitsyn and Leblanc , or Gomez and a 2 round pick for Statsny!
Habs for the Cup |
| nuxfan |
Posted - 02/24/2011 : 09:30:06
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Sure, Rinne would be awesome for COL, but would NAS give a blue chip defender in the deal??
Well no, they wouldn't, but that was my point - if the goalie is the real focus for COL (which they seem to have stated), then they may be willing to get a better goalie at the expense of a blue chip defenseman.
I agree, Johnson is the centerpiece of the proposed package coming back from LA, and Bernier is a hopeful bit. But if COL does really want a goalie, they would be better off trying to get a (for example) package out of NSH for Rinne and a regular blueliner - take a hit on the blueliner in exchange for a more proven goaltender.
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Did anyone read about Pete Stastny's (Paul's dad) rant the other day on how Colorado is blowing up their team?
I posted it earlier in the thread - I wonder if Peter's comments were somehow tied back to Paul within the organization. If they were, that would explain why Paul Stastny is suddenly on the block... |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 02/24/2011 : 07:22:04
Bernier is a piece of the deal, but I think that COL would/should be more excited about getting their hands on Jack Johnson. That is the piece to the deal I think is even more valuable than Bernier and the piece people are overlooking. That is why the other deals people have discussed do not compare. Sure, if COL was just looking for a goalie, there are far better options to Bernier and are more than likely available. However, it's the package for a blue chip defensemen, a potential #1 keeper, and a current top 6 forward in return for the blue chip centre, and prospect potential top 6 forward, and the 1st round draft pick.
Sure, Rinne would be awesome for COL, but would NAS give a blue chip defender in the deal??
The closest deal I can think of would include Schenn, Reimer (in the same boat as Bernier and in many cases more appealing), and a player like Kulemin.
The key to this deal is the combination of the blue chip defensemen AND the prospect goalie, not just the keeper. At least in my opinion. |
| n/a |
Posted - 02/24/2011 : 05:09:21
Did anyone read about Pete Stastny's (Paul's dad) rant the other day on how Colorado is blowing up their team? Link here:
http://blogs.denverpost.com/avs/2011/02/22/peter-stastny-bombshell-avs-blues-trade-destroyed-the-team/6586/
Funny, but all the writing on Yahoo sports and even the paper here sorta chide Paul's dad for making a public statement like this, but . . . I think he speaks for all fans of the team here. And, frankly, I totally agree with him.
I agree with all about how tough it is to get a true starting goalie these days that will turn into a consistent A goalie . . . and that is why I think most GMs, knowing the gambles that exist, simply try to stockpile as many good prospects as possible. It's what Burke did and has tried to do with goaltending and defence - you get a few great prospects, and one is bound to work.
Which is why I don't think Bernier's 6-8-2 record, coupled with his .904 save % and 2.72 GAA is anything worth getting real excited about, especially considering his overall record is 10 wins, 11 losses over 3 seasons now with the LA Kings. Sure, he is a potential starting goalie of the future . . . just like Dubnyk for Edmonton (8-7-6 this year on the worst team in the league, .914 sav%, 2.78 GAA).
So, I really don't get the man-love for Bernier, Beans. I'd rate your own team's young goalie higher, based on this year's performance.
And which all leads to my point, getting back on topic, that I don't think the Avs would get that excited over Bernier. He would get better value than a Gustavsson, perhaps, sure; but it's just another gamble on a young goalie, which if I were rating it against a pick, would be the equivalent of a mid first rounder.
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| Alex116 |
Posted - 02/24/2011 : 01:21:12
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Originally posted by nuxfan
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TOTALLY hypothetical and i still don't see the Canucks being involved or parting with Schneider as they may get more for him in the offseason
Yeah, won't happen. The Canucks don't need much at this trade deadline - if anything at all - and what they do need is not worth Schneider.
If the Canucks win the cup this year (knocking on wood), I think Schneider would be moved in the summer. If they do not, depending on when they go out and how they go out, its not inconceivable that the Canucks might wonder if Luongo is the right choice for them going forward - it would be the 3rd year straight where the Canucks failed to live up to expectations in the playoffs. Schneider is showing that he is capable of being a very good goalie, and he's 7 years younger than Luongo.
Not exactly sure what you're implying but i still say that the only way Luongo is run outta Van is if he totally blows up in the playoffs. I'm not talking about 1 bad game in a 7 game series loss either, i'm talking about a total implosion! Keep in mind, if this happens, they still have to find a taker if they did want to offload him and go with Schneider (who, although looking good so far, is far from "proven"). |
| nuxfan |
Posted - 02/23/2011 : 20:10:09
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TOTALLY hypothetical and i still don't see the Canucks being involved or parting with Schneider as they may get more for him in the offseason
Yeah, won't happen. The Canucks don't need much at this trade deadline - if anything at all - and what they do need is not worth Schneider.
If the Canucks win the cup this year (knocking on wood), I think Schneider would be moved in the summer. If they do not, depending on when they go out and how they go out, its not inconceivable that the Canucks might wonder if Luongo is the right choice for them going forward - it would be the 3rd year straight where the Canucks failed to live up to expectations in the playoffs. Schneider is showing that he is capable of being a very good goalie, and he's 7 years younger than Luongo.
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| nuxfan |
Posted - 02/23/2011 : 20:05:36
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I think he is a real potential #1 keeper. I do agree that Quick is the guy I would build around as well
Which is the real problem I have with this trade - do you move a blue-chip young #1 centre in a package that returns only a "potential goalie"? I have to think that COL could get more value in the goalie (while substituting less value in the defenseman) if they tried.
Steve Mason is a credible option - certainly more games than Bernier, a Calder trophy followed by a bad year followed by a bounceback year. Or perhaps they could pry Rinne (seeing as Lindberg is a "keeper nearly everywhere"  ) out of NSH. Rask as well. Or try to sign Vokoun in the offseason. Or chase Nabokov. |
| Alex116 |
Posted - 02/23/2011 : 16:56:55
Well put Beans. The problem with potential #1 goalies when young is that they're far too difficult to predict! Sure, Shneider's been good in his limited role, same goes for Reimer, Bernier, etc. But for every Roy, there's a few Mason's, Jim Carey's, etc.
However, it's not unthinkable for a team like Col to take a chance at one of these guys in hopes he becomes a stud, esp if they don't have a truly can't miss prospect in their system. Otherwise, they're looking at having to draft one and depending on what's available in the draft, that could be difficult? |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 02/23/2011 : 16:46:02
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Originally posted by nuxfan
The Canucks have publically stated that they will not deal Schneider, this year at least. He's been solid, and will probably be needed through the stretch and possibly the playoffs. Nor do we have any need for Stastny.
Again - I'm surprised at the love-in with Bernier. I get it, he's a good prospect, but Beans - "top tier in the NHL"? Or were you referring to the defense only.... So far, Bernier has shown that he is capable of playing slightly above average goal in a backup role, and has not yet played 30 games at the NHL level.
I cannot believe that COL is focusing on Bernier as the goalie to build around at this point in his career. Now, if the goalie coming back from LA were Quick, that might be different... but I don't see that happening either.
Yep, I was meaning defensively. However, I have a ton of man-love for Bernier. I think he is a real potential #1 keeper. I do agree that Quick is the guy I would build around as well. But much like COL having too many centres, LA has 2 legitimate keepers. Why not move one to service other need.
Bottom line, there is a VERY limited number of young prospect goalies that have a chance at turning into anything. That is why I can respect the Leaf nation thinking as highly as Reimer as they do or the Canuckleheads having all the props for Schneider. And, all the Oilers with their love for........ Hey, wait a minute. |
| Alex116 |
Posted - 02/23/2011 : 16:37:41
IMO, the Canucks won't move Schneider till the summer. I believe they will do so then. He deserves a chance in a city where he'll get a legitimate shot at the starters role. The only way i see him still here is if Luongo totally shats the bed in the playoffs and they somehow deal him, but i feel both are unlikely. It's highly unlikely with how well this team has played this season that they wouldn't want a reliable backup for Luongo, just in case he's needed. Secondly, the Canucks have more than enough depth at center, therefore, no real need for Stastny.
I'd say the only way that the Canucks get involved would be in a three team deal with Colorado and another team, but even this goes against my thoughts as to keeping Schneider. Possibly if in the deal, the Canucks got a capable backup (veteran or other) something could be done? For ex:
To Colorado: Schneider, M. Raymond
To Vancouver: S. Mason, S. Pahlsson, pick/prospect from CBJ
To CBJ: P. Stastny
TOTALLY hypothetical and i still don't see the Canucks being involved or parting with Schneider as they may get more for him in the offseason, though i do hear they're in the market for a 4th line center (Pahlsson), Mason could possibly step in if Luongo went down and i suppose it'd depend on the pick/prospect?
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| nuxfan |
Posted - 02/23/2011 : 16:34:31
The Canucks have publically stated that they will not deal Schneider, this year at least. He's been solid, and will probably be needed through the stretch and possibly the playoffs. Nor do we have any need for Stastny.
Again - I'm surprised at the love-in with Bernier. I get it, he's a good prospect, but Beans - "top tier in the NHL"? Or were you referring to the defense only.... So far, Bernier has shown that he is capable of playing slightly above average goal in a backup role, and has not yet played 30 games at the NHL level.
I cannot believe that COL is focusing on Bernier as the goalie to build around at this point in his career. Now, if the goalie coming back from LA were Quick, that might be different... but I don't see that happening either. |
| Porkchop73 |
Posted - 02/23/2011 : 15:16:48
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Originally posted by Beans15
Chop, I agree with you completely. However, it's a needs thing. Deuchene is proving himself the better player. O'Rielly is a more than adaqute #2 centre. Stastny becomes an asset that can be used to improve the squad.
Consider COL with a defensive group that included Johnson, Johnson, Quincey, Cumisky, and Wilson with a goalie like Bernier?? That is top teir in the NHL!! Add in a group of forwards including Duchene, Mueller(if healthy), McLeod, Winnik. O'Reilly, Yip, and Jones. Plus, COL has one of the lowest caps in the game today. They still have opportunities on the FA market.
Think of it as not dropping Stastny as much as using a very high quality asset to satisfy needs in other areas of the team.
OK Beans, you and I are on the same page for once. But I don't think that LA will give up Bernier. I know its in the one rumour and in the end I would not be surprised but for LA to give up their young star goalie when they too are so close does not make sense. I don't seem Lombardi doing it considering how long LA has taken to get loaded with young talent and become a legitmate playoff team.
I also don't see the Nucks giving up Schneider when they are the best team in the NHL and really do not have another tender in the system as good at this point.
I think that Columbus may be the team and Steve Mason could be the young goalie the Aves could use. He has struggled since his Calder but a change could help. |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 02/23/2011 : 14:50:22
Chop, I agree with you completely. However, it's a needs thing. Deuchene is proving himself the better player. O'Rielly is a more than adaqute #2 centre. Stastny becomes an asset that can be used to improve the squad.
Consider COL with a defensive group that included Johnson, Johnson, Quincey, Cumisky, and Wilson with a goalie like Bernier?? That is top teir in the NHL!! Add in a group of forwards including Duchene, Mueller(if healthy), McLeod, Winnik. O'Reilly, Yip, and Jones. Plus, COL has one of the lowest caps in the game today. They still have opportunities on the FA market.
Think of it as not dropping Stastny as much as using a very high quality asset to satisfy needs in other areas of the team. |
| Porkchop73 |
Posted - 02/23/2011 : 14:04:16
I am surprised at the young NHL stars that are getting traded or their names are being bantered about.
With Stastny I think it is fair to say that any team that could package together the right deal and have cap space to handle his 6.6 mil for the next 3 yrs will take a shot.
Hard to believe Col would give up Stastny when they are really close, IMO, to being a competitive team again. I mean look at last year. But if they could land a good goalie prospect in a deal then I am sure they would pull the trigger.
How many teams have the goalie prospect and ability to take on Stastny's cap hit. I haven't looked but there likely isn't to many unless they get creative. |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 02/23/2011 : 12:51:11
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Originally posted by slozo
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Originally posted by nuxfan
actually think that the original deal proposed would be fair for both sides, its a pretty even trade. The centerpieces are Stastny and Johnson, but Bernier/Stoll for Galardi/draft pick address other needs for COL and give more back to LA.
If it were just Stastny, it would depend on what COL valued more - a big defenseman or a solid goalie prospect. If it were TOR in the running for *just* Stastny, they would have to give up Schenn, no question about it - and even then it would probably not be enough. TOR doesn't have a goalie like Bernier in the system, but Reimer would be the only one close.
For the package that is on the table from COL, I don't think Toronto has a comparable package to return - Schenn+Reimer+one of the top-6 non-Kessel forwards would be where I start, but that is surely unpalatable to any TOR fan.
So no comment on my proposal with the two first round draft picks? Why is everyone ignoring that part . . . you guys went on and on and on and on about first round draft picks in the Kessel deal, and although these are not nearly as high in the order, they are still decent value.
"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug
Four things:
Stastny is a better player than Kessel. Nearly as good a goal scorer, overall more productive, and about the same age and size. I take Stastny is spades over Kessel.
Kessel was an RFA when signed to the 2-1st and a 2nd. Stastny is signed through the 13-14 season. More valuable with a locked in contract. More of a sure thing
Thirdly, what kind of hypocrite would I be if I dogged the Kessel trade for the draft picks then applauded another trade along the same lines??
COL (with their deal for Johnson as well as the speculation over this deal) is building with proven young players. Not draft picks. As I have now said 3 times, what does COL want with 2 late 1st round picks when they will more than likely get a lottery pick on their own??
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| nuxfan |
Posted - 02/23/2011 : 12:45:01
there may be more to this rumour than just moving a centre, found this on TSN today:
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=355005
It is father, not son, but you can't help but wonder if there is some bad blood between Paul and COL because of the Stewart trade.. |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 02/23/2011 : 10:33:57
Ok Slozo, we are cool. I often skim though a post and miss an important point or two. No worries.
Now, to your question as to what a deal would be for Stastny straight up?? Wow. It's tough. I don't see a straight up value for a players like Stastny. They are almost always multi-player deals.
Regardless, I will try. If will throw a few teams out just for the sake of objectivety. For Stastny straight UP:
The Leaf would have to give up Schenn and a roster forward
The Oilers woul have to give up Whitney and a roster forward
The Kings would have to give up Johnson and a marginal forward
The Predators would have to give up Weber(if under contract)
You get my point??? Stastny, a legitimate #1 centre and top 15-20 in the league would command a young #1 defensemen and in some cases more.
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| nuxfan |
Posted - 02/23/2011 : 10:31:34
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So no comment on my proposal with the two first round draft picks? Why is everyone ignoring that part . . . you guys went on and on and on and on about first round draft picks in the Kessel deal, and although these are not nearly as high in the order, they are still decent value.
I don't discount picks, I discounted the entire proposal. From what I can read below, your potential offer is: Gunnarson, 2 first round draft picks (picks likely to be 25+) for Stastny.
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Bernier, Johnson, Stoll for Stastny, Galardi, possibly COL draft pick.
Also, COL has "gone on record" saying they would really like a young franchise goalie.
Which deal looks better for COL to you?
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| n/a |
Posted - 02/23/2011 : 10:05:50
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Originally posted by nuxfan
actually think that the original deal proposed would be fair for both sides, its a pretty even trade. The centerpieces are Stastny and Johnson, but Bernier/Stoll for Galardi/draft pick address other needs for COL and give more back to LA.
If it were just Stastny, it would depend on what COL valued more - a big defenseman or a solid goalie prospect. If it were TOR in the running for *just* Stastny, they would have to give up Schenn, no question about it - and even then it would probably not be enough. TOR doesn't have a goalie like Bernier in the system, but Reimer would be the only one close.
For the package that is on the table from COL, I don't think Toronto has a comparable package to return - Schenn+Reimer+one of the top-6 non-Kessel forwards would be where I start, but that is surely unpalatable to any TOR fan.
So no comment on my proposal with the two first round draft picks? Why is everyone ignoring that part . . . you guys went on and on and on and on about first round draft picks in the Kessel deal, and although these are not nearly as high in the order, they are still decent value.
"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug |
| n/a |
Posted - 02/23/2011 : 10:01:58
Fair enough, Fat Elvis (now Beans' lawyer): I made an error in not catching that in the thread.
Now we can go over who misspoke, didn't read something, slandered someone, etc etc befor every getting to any meaningful discussion on if any deal happens, what is fair value for Stastny, etc.
I blame all Oilers fans for hijacking this thread . . . well, not all, just two out of the three! 
"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug |
| fat_elvis_rocked |
Posted - 02/23/2011 : 09:42:41
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Originally posted by Beans15
"Granted, Stastny would fit nicely into Burke's plans, but the story was actually broken in Colorado today with the deal that is rumors to be Jack Johnson, Jonathan Bernier, and Jarrett Stoll for Stastny, TJ Galiardi, and a pick/prospect. "
This is an excerpt from the second post in the thread. I realize Beans is a big boy and can easily verbally defend himself, but even I get tired of watching posters chip away with naught to back it up, but assumptions and at times, thinly, and not so thinly, veiled, animosity.
Good grief people, do your due diligence before you go after Beans, after all, he, like myself, is an Oiler fan, why would anyone even begin to imagine we wouldn't know of what we speak...err...type. |
| nuxfan |
Posted - 02/23/2011 : 09:35:51
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Well, obviously that changes things Beans - you never mentioned the other players coming from Colorado with Stastny.
With my deals, it was JUST Stastny coming to Toronto.
You do love to compare apples to oranges . . . lol. How many times you going to rage about my Bozak suggestion or the Gunnarson suggestion and state that was all I was offering back for Stastny, when I actually included other players/1st round picks as well?
Read the second comment in this thread, it clearly spells out the potential trade.
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I guess we'll see when you respond to this post by twisting more of my words around or make totally false claims on what I did or didn't suggest.
BTW, what is your opinion? What is YOUR trade suggestion? You willing to stop the sniping and step up to the plate and actually offer your wise advice on what you think Stastny would get - just like you schooled us all on what Kaberle would get as a return?
I actually think that the original deal proposed would be fair for both sides, its a pretty even trade. The centerpieces are Stastny and Johnson, but Bernier/Stoll for Galardi/draft pick address other needs for COL and give more back to LA.
If it were just Stastny, it would depend on what COL valued more - a big defenseman or a solid goalie prospect. If it were TOR in the running for *just* Stastny, they would have to give up Schenn, no question about it - and even then it would probably not be enough. TOR doesn't have a goalie like Bernier in the system, but Reimer would be the only one close.
For the package that is on the table from COL, I don't think Toronto has a comparable package to return - Schenn+Reimer+one of the top-6 non-Kessel forwards would be where I start, but that is surely unpalatable to any TOR fan. |
| n/a |
Posted - 02/23/2011 : 08:59:47
Well, obviously that changes things Beans - you never mentioned the other players coming from Colorado with Stastny.
With my deals, it was JUST Stastny coming to Toronto.
You do love to compare apples to oranges . . . lol. How many times you going to rage about my Bozak suggestion or the Gunnarson suggestion and state that was all I was offering back for Stastny, when I actually included other players/1st round picks as well?
I guess we'll see when you respond to this post by twisting more of my words around or make totally false claims on what I did or didn't suggest.
BTW, what is your opinion? What is YOUR trade suggestion? You willing to stop the sniping and step up to the plate and actually offer your wise advice on what you think Stastny would get - just like you schooled us all on what Kaberle would get as a return?
"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 02/23/2011 : 08:24:16
LA would get Stastny, AND Galiardi and a 1st round pick/prospect.
COL would get Johnson, Bernier, and Stoll.
It's not 3 players for Stastny, it's 3 players for 3 players. Considering the skills of Johnson and Stastny, it makes sense.
Secondly, COL is potentially looking at trade one of the 5 centres they have. They are not sheding salaries. Not at all. If they have 5 centres, three of them being Duchene, Stastny, and O'Reilly, and they are dwindling on defense then why not trade a centre(or a package including a centre) for a stud defensemen??
Frankly, I would chide anyone for being so obtuse to assume the GM in COL is dumb enough to take a centre like Tyler Bozak or a potential #3 defensemen in Gunnarson for one of the top 20 centres in the league.
Adrian Dater of the Denver Post: The Colorado Avalanche now have 5 centers (Duchene, Stastny, McClement, O’Reilly and Dupuis), with Matt Duchene getting close to returning, he’s expected to practice today. Dater expects one of them to be traded by the deadline, with Duchene likely being the only one that would be on the ‘untouchable’ list. Dater has heard a few rumors regarding Paul Stastny including, “Stastny, TJ Galiardi and maybe a pick/another player to Los Angeles for Jack Johnson, Jonathan Bernier and Jarret Stoll.” |
| ryan93 |
Posted - 02/23/2011 : 07:48:07
I don't watch the Blue Jackets that often, so how do you guys feel about Steve Mason. He had a sensational rookie season a couple years back (won the Calder & nominated for the Vezina), and then struggled for much of last season. I just looked at his numbers for this season and they aren't that great, 2.97 GAA and .905 SP%. Is he a legitimate franchise goaltender?
The reason i bring it up is because i've read in a few different spots that he might be available, and as we all know the Jackets have long been searching for a #1 center to play with Rick Nash. Maybe there'd be a fit in Columbus for Stastny?? |
| ryan93 |
Posted - 02/23/2011 : 07:30:57
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Originally posted by slozo
Well, that's the thing, Beans - I don't believe LA would offer Jack Johnson, Bernier and a top 6 forward for a top 6 forward coming back to them in Stastny. It would be ridiculous . . . and frankly, I would chide anyone on this site here contemplating its legitimacy
No way do i think think that offer is on the table either. |
| n/a |
Posted - 02/23/2011 : 07:08:06
Well, that's the thing, Beans - I don't believe LA would offer Jack Johnson, Bernier and a top 6 forward for a top 6 forward coming back to them in Stastny. It would be ridiculous . . . and frankly, I would chide anyone on this site here contemplating its legitimacy.
LA might be interested in Stastny, talks may have been held, sure - but no such package would ever go the other way. It would be one of the worst deals in a long, long time.
So no, I don't think Toronto would have to come close to matching an imaginary deal offer like that.
They would benefit from draft picks in that they are trying to shed salary . . . otherwise, why are they shopping Stastny in the first place? Because he is so young and full of potential?!?
And yes, Liles has interest from Burke . . . and I am surprised he didn't become a Leaf a couple of days ago, actually, as Burke intimated that he would try his hardest to add a defenceman by Tues.
Defencemen are going REAL fast this year . . . Burke better hurry up!
"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 02/22/2011 : 18:18:34
Slozo, I think the point I am trying to make is that IF(and it's a big if) the deal from LA included Johnson and Bernier and a top 6 forward, it makes sense that the deal from the Leafs must be comparable. Would you not compare Schenn to Johnson?? Would you not compare Bernier to Reimer?? That is my point.
What would COL benefit from gaining more draft picks?? They have tons of prospects and a potential lottery pick this year?? What does TO's 2 picks in spots higher than 20th overall do for COL?? Nothing.
I did read today that both Stastny and John Michael Liles are on TO's radar, but that the deal for Liles if far more likely. It will cost Burke more than he is willing to give up for Stastny, but I bet he could get Liles for a decent roster player. |
| n/a |
Posted - 02/22/2011 : 18:02:56
Glad everyone jumped on me that got the Kaberle deal so right.
And guys . . . it was just a suggestion, off the top of my head. I only included a guy like Bozak to get a centre going back - if they are so f. ull of centres, fine, it could be a better player with more potential (Gunnarson, say).
And no, I wouldn't trade Reimer no matter what. He has been nothing short of amazing to me so far, and if he is a flash in the pan, then I'd rather it be with the Leafs. We have Gustavsson, Reimer, and a great prospect in Jussi Rynnas, I'd rather keep what I think might be the best two at the very least (Rynnas and Reimer at this point) to increase chances of developing our starting goalie of the future.
So ok - For Stastny, I offer Gunnarson, and our two first round picks.
Or put another way, Gunnarson, Gustavsson, and a first.
Knowing that the Avs are looking to dump yet more salary (even though they are way under the cap), it goes against the value going to the Avs.
Something that some people on this site still haven't figured out.
"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug |
| The Duke |
Posted - 02/22/2011 : 15:48:56
Slozo theres no way the leafs get Stastny for a very late 1st, 2nd and the monster.
It will take at least those 2 late 1st round picks and maybe a Jerry D`iamgo type player.....or Jesse Blacker with those picks if the Av`s are looking for a young D - man.
I`d do it, why not ? Who knows when the leafs will be able to aquire a top certer like this guy, and still very, very young. |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 02/22/2011 : 14:12:57
What surprises me is the assumption that the Leafs could dump a hugely underacheiving player in Bozak to a team looking to add goaltending and defense. COL has 5 centres in their line up. That is the challenge(opportunity) they have. Duchene is a stud, Stastny is a stud, O'Reilly is showing signs of being a stud, and McClement and Dupuis are very fine 3rd and 4th line centres. Why would COL use the top asset they have to pick up a below average centre(adding to their challenge) and a draft pick in the late part of the 1st round when they will most likely have a lottery pick or very close to it this year??
The deal on the table (apparently) from LA is for one of the top young defensemen in the game today in Jack Johnson and one of the top goalie prospects in the game in Bernier and a top 6 forward in Jarett Stoll. How does a deal for Bozak and a couple of draft picks measure up to that??
The only way TO is in this deal at all is if the deal included Schenn and Reimer to start. Nothing less. Colorado can get better draft picks from other teams than what TO could give. Plus, it would most likely cost them a player like Kulemin. So, a comparable deal to the COL/LA deal would be Schenn, Reimer, and Kulemin for Stastny, Galiardi, and a draft pick/prospect. Considering that Burke has already unloaded 2 of his top 4 defensemen, he is looking to add D-men and not drop them for forwards.
Now, I am not surprised that Stastny could be on the market considering COL need for a legitimate goalie. Plus, if that team could get both Johnson's and Bernier to build around, why wouldn't then?? Duchene and O'Reilly are a more than good enough 1-2 punch down the middle. If COL can fill needs by moving Stastny, it makes perfect sense.
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| Alex116 |
Posted - 02/22/2011 : 13:52:29
Question for Slozo and all Leaf fans for that matter.....
Would you be ok with Burke involving Reimer in a package for Stastny? Slozo, you mentioned him with Schenn as likely not moving yet it wasn't all that long ago he was a somewhat unknown prospect, no? Hasn't this kid surprised everyone? Would it not possibly be wise to package him up in a deal for Stastny (sell high)? Can / will he continue to be this good? Sure, it's a gamble, but i think if i were a Leaf fan, i'd be okay with taking a chance that he's closer to the next Craig Anderson than he is Patrick Roy? IMO, at this point, Stastny is far more proven as far as knowing what you're getting. Of course, there's others that would be needed in this deal. |
| nuxfan |
Posted - 02/22/2011 : 12:29:56
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: polishexpress
IF COL were to be able to grab Bernier from LA, having to give up one of their top centers, then they would potentially solve one of their biggest outstanding holes in their lineup: their goalie.
I'm not sure how Bernier solves COL's goaltending issues. Bernier is nothing more than a prospect very early in his NHL career, albeit he comes with a lot of hype. He has done very little to distinguish himself this year (6-8-2, .904 SV%, 2.72 GAA). Those numbers are only a bit better than Elliott's numbers, and Elliott played on the worst team in the NHL.
So how is Bernier the solution to their goalie problem, and Elliott is not (or could not be)?
They clearly don't need goalie this year anymore - they could just wait until the summer, and go after Vokoun, or make a trade then.
@ slozo:
Fair enough, I think we're quibbling over the relative worth of one of the top-20 centres in the NHL. I think he is worth quite a bit more than a mediocre backup goalie with heart problems, Bozak and a late first round draft pick.
I guess we'll see what happens up to deadline day. |
| n/a |
Posted - 02/22/2011 : 11:22:43
nuxfan - at least I can agree with one thing you said . . . Stastny being shopped is a head-scratcher.
6'1", 205 lbs is not big in the NHL - it is barely average.
I don't see Stastny as any more "mobile" than any other skilled forward, sorry (does mobile mean agile, or fast, or a combination of both, btw?).
Nearly a ppg his entire career? Well, I guess that is how you phrase a player whose two full seasons have been 78 and 79 points, sure. But his lowest total is probably going to be this year, as he is on pace for . . . 62 points. No, Colorado sucks this year, so I don't read too much into it, but . . . definitley not a star in the league.
I am not trying to sell him short - he is a solid, first line guy, a good young center with potential perhaps to edge up over the 80 point mark with skilled linemates and good chemistry. And he doesn't mind mixing it up physically in his play.
I am just stating that he is definitely short of star status at this point, and yet you state you disagree and then say he isn't a superstar yet either.
I think you may be quibbling over a very minor difference, here.
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| Alex116 |
Posted - 02/22/2011 : 11:16:47
I too am a little shocked the Avs would be looking to trade this guy. Having two solid centers is pretty nice, ahem, cough, cough, Sakic/Forsberg!
I guess if they're in need of a franchise goalie bad enough this might be the only way they see the possibility of getting one though?
Here's a thought though, what if they make this proposed deal with LA, or something similar, with thoughts about moving ahead with a FA signing? I don't have time to check cap space, but could they have enough to make a run at Brad Richards in the summer? |
| polishexpress |
Posted - 02/22/2011 : 11:00:53
I think the reason why this rumour about Stastny would be floated around is that, as of now, Colorado doesn't have very reliable goaltending.
They just traded away Anderson, and got back Elliot. I don't know much about him, but Elliott doesn't seem to be a great goaltending solution.
Though many teams have won cups recently without superstar goalies, that doesn't mean all GM's have decided they will look for cheap goaltending.
IF COL were to be able to grab Bernier from LA, having to give up one of their top centers, then they would potentially solve one of their biggest outstanding holes in their lineup: their goalie.
They haven't had a goaltending solution they like since Roy.(I don't count Anderson, since they just traded him away, showing they didn't think he was right for the organization) |
| nuxfan |
Posted - 02/22/2011 : 10:03:34
All this being said, I'm still puzzled as to why COL would even want to trade Stastny. Some teams go decades without having a player like him on the roster. They have 2 great centres in him and Duchene, now a great defenseman to build a defensive core around - the future for COL looks solid right now.
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