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| leigh |
Posted - 01/31/2010 : 10:42:31
Sunday morning Burke picked up J.S. Giguere in trade for Jason Blake and Vesa Toskala. Is this a good move for the Leafs? |
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| Matt_Roberts85 |
Posted - 02/04/2010 : 07:13:55
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Originally posted by Guest4227
As long as the Leafs don't win the cup it doesn't matter where they finish. They could reach the finals every year as long as they lose I'll be happy.
I just watched a show that stated Toronto was the worst city for pro sports.
Leafs, Raptors, Blue jays and Argos as a group haven't won anything in a long time.
What does the rest of canada have to show? A whole s***load of nothing. At least we have pro sports teams.
The most grey cups, 2 world series, 13 stanley cups isnt too shabby.
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E". |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 02/03/2010 : 15:09:17
Check this out. About 1/3 of the way down it talks about the MLSE value comparatively to other UK soccer owners.
http://www.thestar.com/article/417801
Here is another quote:
The December 2008 sale of 7.5% of the company to Larry Tanenbaum for $90 million values the company at $1.2 billion.
Anyway, I think we are arguing 6 of one, 1/2 dozen of the other. Both groups have significantly more money then most of us can even fathom.
I agree with the fine line balancing comment. It's a dangerous world in TO right now and one mis-step will be magnified now even more so than before. There are few pieces remaining from the JFJ team and it's nearly all Burke's now. Starting next year, the blame can go no where else.
And to the fellow talking about the Kaberle and Finger being $9 million. Kaberle's contract is $4.25 both cap hit and value. One half Finger's contract, if bought out, stays on the cap as well. So those two players would be $6 million, not $10 million or even $9 million. |
| Porkchop73 |
Posted - 02/03/2010 : 14:02:09
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Originally posted by Beans15
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Originally posted by Alex116
Baumer, all i was saying about the two franchises is that TO is far richer and Burke will likely be offered the opportunity to do things that Lowe/Tambellini may not. The Leafs can afford to have high paid guys in the minors, buy out contracts, bury contracts, etc.
Hey Alex, did you forget who the Oilers owner is??? Daryl Katz is not only one of the richest men in Canada, but he is the richest owner in the NHL.
Even the mightly MLSE's $1.75 billion net value does not come close to Big Bad Daryl Katz and his $2.43 billion.
Actually my good man Beans, MLSE is estimated to be worth up to $88 billion when all assets are included. Making them the 3rd richest owners in all of sports world wide. They are not a publicly traded company so no one really knows.
Besides the point, I like the Leaf moves in the past week but there is more to be done.
As you like to call him, "the Wizard of Oz" will have to keep making magic moves to improve his club and keep the direction in a positive one with out sacrificing long term.
IMO he is balancing a fine line here and not sure how he is going to add to this club and not get it into a cap room problem in the future. |
| baumer |
Posted - 02/03/2010 : 12:43:14
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Originally posted by Axey
Finally a Leafs topic has been taken over by another team.
And I'm a Leaf fan lol
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| Axey |
Posted - 02/03/2010 : 12:02:40
Finally a Leafs topic has been taken over by another team. |
| baumer |
Posted - 02/03/2010 : 11:36:44
quote:
Originally posted by Alex116
Beans, no, i didn't forget, i actually wasn't aware of that . (where's that darn "foot in mouth emoticon?"
I just googled Mr. Katz and judging by what i read, he ought to be able to improve this club somewhat quickly, IF he's willing to bury / buy out some contracts? I know the cap has a lot to do with it, but bury some can free up some space to make moves. I realize it's not like it was pre-cap, but a rich owner CAN help his/her team along quicker, IF he/she is willing to spend!
Thats exactly what I was getting at Alex. I beleive his quote was "We will return Edmonton to the city of champions". And i can clarify my Frolov analogy. It goes for any player that the Oilers would want I just happen to checking his contract status at the time I was writing. Good management teams find ways to fix their mistakes so if Lowe and Tambellini was to package Horcoff with a high draft pick, even a first rounder, or a highly regarded peospect, he would be able to unload Horcoff and his massive contract for a guy like Frolov, who is a pending free agent. There fore he saves money and he really only loses a prospect that may pan out and may not.
If Glen Sather can move Scott Gomez and Tampa Bay can move Brad Richards 9 mil a year contract then anything is possible. Its a matter of being willing to ship out the bad but packaging it with the good. I used Moreau last night because I heard the Kings were looking to add grit and leadership and he seemed to fit the bill.
My point was that the Oilers seemed very un willing to take chances on something like this. If I was Tambellini I would have found out 2 months ago what Cogliano, Nilson and Gagne want in a new deal and if you cant keep them they become expendable very quickly. One of those three accompanied with Horcoff probably nets you a second line player that will produce more than Horcoff for less money. |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 02/03/2010 : 08:38:59
quote:
Originally posted by Alex116
Beans, no, i didn't forget, i actually wasn't aware of that. (where's that darn "foot in mouth emoticon?"
I just googled Mr. Katz and judging by what i read, he ought to be able to improve this club somewhat quickly, IF he's willing to bury / buy out some contracts? I know the cap has a lot to do with it, but bury some can free up some space to make moves. I realize it's not like it was pre-cap, but a rich owner CAN help his/her team along quicker, IF he/she is willing to spend!
Why do you think the Oilers are the only team in the NHL with two Head Coaches?? Don't think for a second that Quinn and Renney are not both getting paid as Head Coaches either.
The problem that Katz has is that he inherited a team of 3rd line players and said from the start that he would be hands off in the hockey operations. I'm thinking he needs to get his hands on a little and start demanding some accountability from his front office and his players.
The thing that confuses me the most is how the Oilers get hit so hard with illness. You would with D-Katz would have send the Rexall Prescription Van down to Rexall Place and dropped of a box or two of Tamiflu???
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| Guest4227 |
Posted - 02/03/2010 : 08:20:42
As long as the Leafs don't win the cup it doesn't matter where they finish. They could reach the finals every year as long as they lose I'll be happy.
I just watched a show that stated Toronto was the worst city for pro sports.
Leafs, Raptors, Blue jays and Argos as a group haven't won anything in a long time. |
| Alex116 |
Posted - 02/03/2010 : 07:56:58
Beans, no, i didn't forget, i actually wasn't aware of that. (where's that darn "foot in mouth emoticon?"
I just googled Mr. Katz and judging by what i read, he ought to be able to improve this club somewhat quickly, IF he's willing to bury / buy out some contracts? I know the cap has a lot to do with it, but bury some can free up some space to make moves. I realize it's not like it was pre-cap, but a rich owner CAN help his/her team along quicker, IF he/she is willing to spend! |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 02/03/2010 : 07:14:44
quote:
Originally posted by Alex116
Baumer, all i was saying about the two franchises is that TO is far richer and Burke will likely be offered the opportunity to do things that Lowe/Tambellini may not. The Leafs can afford to have high paid guys in the minors, buy out contracts, bury contracts, etc.
Hey Alex, did you forget who the Oilers owner is??? Daryl Katz is not only one of the richest men in Canada, but he is the richest owner in the NHL.
Even the mightly MLSE's $1.75 billion net value does not come close to Big Bad Daryl Katz and his $2.43 billion.
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| Gostarsgo12 |
Posted - 02/02/2010 : 20:55:40
Shutout in first Start! Maybe all Giggy needs is his old goalie coach! |
| Alex116 |
Posted - 02/02/2010 : 19:38:09
Baumer, all i was saying about the two franchises is that TO is far richer and Burke will likely be offered the opportunity to do things that Lowe/Tambellini may not. The Leafs can afford to have high paid guys in the minors, buy out contracts, bury contracts, etc.
Also, i'm not sure what you meant with the Horcoff thing but are you saying he should package him up with a guy like Moreau in exchange for a guy like Frolov? I know you're just making an example, but i don't see them getting a whole lot back in ANY deal for Horcoff. They'd be lucky just to find a taker for that contract! No way do i see them getting a guy anywhere near Frolov's stature in a deal involving Horcoff!
BTW, Komisarek has played 34 games for the Leafs, not 16, therefore passing a judgement on him would be beyond fair i'd say?
BTW, in no way was i trying to insult you or insinuate that you didn't know or understand the difference between the two teams. I was just stating that in discussing these teams and suggesting that Lowe should do what Burke has done is not really fair. They're in two different circumstances in regards to the franchises they're running. |
| irvine |
Posted - 02/02/2010 : 19:25:12
Honestly,
I don't see Burke moving Kaberle. Not that no one would take him, I just don't think Burke wants to move him.
Kaberle has some talent. Offensivley and defensivley. He also makes fair price.
If Kaberle is moved, it's for a talented scorer or a 1st rd pick is involved, that's for certain.
But I can see Finger, Exelby, Beachumen or Komisarek going before Kaberle.
Irvine/prez. |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 02/02/2010 : 19:01:44
Giguere is a $6 million cap hit, gets paid $7 million for next season and is then a UFA.
As far as the road TO is now on, see Calgary this season. All Grey Pupon on defense, all French's up front. Kessel(like Iginla) is only one man and there is no way a team can win playing defense only hockey.
I agree that I would keep Kaberle as well, but at the sake of landing a legitimate top 3 forward to support Kessel, what do you do???
TO, like it or not, is already up against the cap next season. They have $43 million tied into 13 players. They need to sign another 10 players and have around $13 million to do it??? Burke will have to be David effen Copperfield to land something that would make me think the Leafs will not be in the bottom 1/3 in scoring.
I like the trades because it gave us all something to talk about for a couple of days but if I were a fan of Cal, TO, or NYR team, I would be scratching my head and I don't really see any of these teams getting better. The definately got different, but did they really get better??
I don't see it. |
| n/a |
Posted - 02/02/2010 : 18:23:51
I agree, Leafsfan81 - keep Kaberle, he's cheap and excellent value. I doubt he would be moved, other than for a Kovalchuk or similar stature player.
How does Giggy's contract break down - what does he get paid next year?
"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug |
| Leafs81 |
Posted - 02/02/2010 : 18:00:27
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Originally posted by baumer
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Originally posted by Beans15
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Originally posted by baumer
It sounds like you just compared Hemsky, penner and Visnovsky to Kessel Kaberle and Phaneuf. Thats not even close. Kessel and Phaneuf are players you build teams around, I highly doubt the Oilers are building their team around any of these three. I'm thinking its probably going to be Jordan Eberle or possibly Taylor Hall.
The difference between these 2 GM's is that Burke moved Blake and his ridiculous contract, where Kevin Lowe seems unwilling to take money back to get rid of a guy like Horcoff. Burke showed he is willing to do what it takes to improve and has said he will buy out or bury contracts in the off season to make the necessary moves. He is in the process of making the Leafs "his" team so I'll go out on a limb and say that Exelby, Stempniak, Kaberle and Ponikarovsky will be traded, and there are already rumours that Jeff Finger is going to be bought out "a la" Darcy Tucker.
Therefore the salary you see today is probably going to drop by around $10 mil by the draft. Thats assuming they re sign Gustavson, the money they give him will probably be around $2 mil a year.
I absolutely compared Hemsky, Penner, and Visnovksy to Kessel, Kaberle, and Phaneuf and it is not far off at all! Another painfully obvious lack of respect for the players. Look at Penner and what he has done this year as well as his career and up to this point, tell me the difference between him and Kessel?? Look at Hemsky and his 4 consecutive 40 assists seasons without a sniper. And I guess being one of the top 10-15 scoring defensemen in the game for the past 5 seasons is just nothing??? Yep, Visnovsky is a pile of pucks.
Could you please send me a sample of what ever glue you are huffing if you think for a second that Burke will be able to "unload" $10 million of contract at or before the draft. You talk about unloading Blake??? How about to unload that "ridiculous" $3 million a year contract he had to pick up a $7 million contract for a guy playing as a back up??? How does that make that a good 'dump'? Toskala was gone at the end of the year anyway, so next year, that "dump" of a contract cost the Leafs $4 million!
Nice Dump.
The Wizard of Oz has the Leafs fans completely gassed and beleiving every song and dance he is doing in front of the camera. The bottom line is that he has few if any assests coming up in the system, no 1st round draft picks this season, one legitimate forward and a goalie getting paid starting money but playing back up on a non-playoff team. He has two legitimate defenders and the rest are overpaid and underachieving.
How can that picture look anything other than what it is???
I am not saying that everything is rosy in Edmonton in the least, because it is not. Not even close. But TO and Edmonton are literally in the same boat in just about every area of the ice. However, Edmonton keeps this years draft and has at least 3 blue chippers coming up the system. But yet everything is rosy and bright in TO and everything is bleak in Edmonton??? Burke is a complete genius and Lowe/Tamellini are complete morons??
I am so confused.
I won't call Kevin Lowe a complete moron but just because Dustin Penner has finally shown that he can score 60 points a year in the third year of a ludicrous contract doesn't absorb him of any responsibility. I'll give you the 3 blue chip prospects, but where does that leave you? This is all about money, and to Alex116 I do understand the difference in the franchises, with where the Oilers cap sits coupled with the Souray injury how do they sign Gagne, Cogliano, Nilson and keep the core together? Hemsky's going to want a raise I believe after next year. My whole point was that yes Giguere makes about the same as Blake and Toskala combined but the point is he unloaded two terrible contracts and took one back with a higher upside.
Where he finds the $10 mil is the 5 mil from Kaberle, and the buy out of Jeff Finger's 4 mil a year contract. So I guess it's $9 mil total. My mistake. What I was getting at is that Lowe should bury contracts or if possible make a move to get rid of Horcoff . Pair him with Moreau for a guy with the talent level of an Alexander Frolov type player. (that's just an example, couldn't think of anyone else). You rid yourself of two under acheivers and end up paying about the same money. That was my point and thats exactly what Burke did.
As far as the backup goalie making starting money, I hope your'e not alking about Giguere because at the time I'm writing this he has played a total of 31 minutes for the Leafs. It's kind of like the Oilers signing Khabibulin at the age of 38 to a 3 year deal for 12 million. Also, I would like to know who these two legitimate defenders are and who the overpaid ones are? Komisarek has played 16 games this season so you have to hold judgement. Phaneuf just got here, Beauchemin has been steady as of late after a rocky start. Kaberle is fantastic. Schenn and Gunnerson are both on rookie contracts and exelby makes 950 000 a year. The only one I can think of is Jeff Finger, which was a Cliff Fletcher signing, who never plays anyway and is well on his way of being bought out.
Anyway I'm tired of arguing which team has it worse. In a perfect world all 6 Canadian teams would be perennial playoff teams.
If getting Phaneuf meant trading away Kaberle then it's a stupid move.
Kaberle is hitting 4.2 this season and next season, and every team needs a puck moving defenseman like him. He wants to stay in Toronto let him stay. And Kaberle completes a guy like Phaneuf on the powerplay, without Kaberle Phaneuf wouldn't do much damage, somebody needs to set him up on one timers.
I hate it when Leafs fans says the solution is in Kaberle to be traded.
Also Finger is getting 3.5 and by buying out his contract it would still be a cap hit of 1.75 at least for the next few seasons.
Exelby is gone after this season, so is Frogren and I believe Finger will get the boot somehow and maybe (really hoping) just maybe we will find a buyer for Komisarek. Then we would be in business with Kaberle, Phaneuf, Beauchemin, Schenn, Gunnarson, some prospects and some cap room to fill in the holes. |
| baumer |
Posted - 02/02/2010 : 17:30:35
quote:
Originally posted by Beans15
quote:
Originally posted by baumer
It sounds like you just compared Hemsky, penner and Visnovsky to Kessel Kaberle and Phaneuf. Thats not even close. Kessel and Phaneuf are players you build teams around, I highly doubt the Oilers are building their team around any of these three. I'm thinking its probably going to be Jordan Eberle or possibly Taylor Hall.
The difference between these 2 GM's is that Burke moved Blake and his ridiculous contract, where Kevin Lowe seems unwilling to take money back to get rid of a guy like Horcoff. Burke showed he is willing to do what it takes to improve and has said he will buy out or bury contracts in the off season to make the necessary moves. He is in the process of making the Leafs "his" team so I'll go out on a limb and say that Exelby, Stempniak, Kaberle and Ponikarovsky will be traded, and there are already rumours that Jeff Finger is going to be bought out "a la" Darcy Tucker.
Therefore the salary you see today is probably going to drop by around $10 mil by the draft. Thats assuming they re sign Gustavson, the money they give him will probably be around $2 mil a year.
I absolutely compared Hemsky, Penner, and Visnovksy to Kessel, Kaberle, and Phaneuf and it is not far off at all! Another painfully obvious lack of respect for the players. Look at Penner and what he has done this year as well as his career and up to this point, tell me the difference between him and Kessel?? Look at Hemsky and his 4 consecutive 40 assists seasons without a sniper. And I guess being one of the top 10-15 scoring defensemen in the game for the past 5 seasons is just nothing??? Yep, Visnovsky is a pile of pucks.
Could you please send me a sample of what ever glue you are huffing if you think for a second that Burke will be able to "unload" $10 million of contract at or before the draft. You talk about unloading Blake??? How about to unload that "ridiculous" $3 million a year contract he had to pick up a $7 million contract for a guy playing as a back up??? How does that make that a good 'dump'? Toskala was gone at the end of the year anyway, so next year, that "dump" of a contract cost the Leafs $4 million!
Nice Dump.
The Wizard of Oz has the Leafs fans completely gassed and beleiving every song and dance he is doing in front of the camera. The bottom line is that he has few if any assests coming up in the system, no 1st round draft picks this season, one legitimate forward and a goalie getting paid starting money but playing back up on a non-playoff team. He has two legitimate defenders and the rest are overpaid and underachieving.
How can that picture look anything other than what it is???
I am not saying that everything is rosy in Edmonton in the least, because it is not. Not even close. But TO and Edmonton are literally in the same boat in just about every area of the ice. However, Edmonton keeps this years draft and has at least 3 blue chippers coming up the system. But yet everything is rosy and bright in TO and everything is bleak in Edmonton??? Burke is a complete genius and Lowe/Tamellini are complete morons??
I am so confused.
I won't call Kevin Lowe a complete moron but just because Dustin Penner has finally shown that he can score 60 points a year in the third year of a ludicrous contract doesn't absorb him of any responsibility. I'll give you the 3 blue chip prospects, but where does that leave you? This is all about money, and to Alex116 I do understand the difference in the franchises, with where the Oilers cap sits coupled with the Souray injury how do they sign Gagne, Cogliano, Nilson and keep the core together? Hemsky's going to want a raise I believe after next year. My whole point was that yes Giguere makes about the same as Blake and Toskala combined but the point is he unloaded two terrible contracts and took one back with a higher upside.
Where he finds the $10 mil is the 5 mil from Kaberle, and the buy out of Jeff Finger's 4 mil a year contract. So I guess it's $9 mil total. My mistake. What I was getting at is that Lowe should bury contracts or if possible make a move to get rid of Horcoff . Pair him with Moreau for a guy with the talent level of an Alexander Frolov type player. (that's just an example, couldn't think of anyone else). You rid yourself of two under acheivers and end up paying about the same money. That was my point and thats exactly what Burke did.
As far as the backup goalie making starting money, I hope your'e not alking about Giguere because at the time I'm writing this he has played a total of 31 minutes for the Leafs. It's kind of like the Oilers signing Khabibulin at the age of 38 to a 3 year deal for 12 million. Also, I would like to know who these two legitimate defenders are and who the overpaid ones are? Komisarek has played 16 games this season so you have to hold judgement. Phaneuf just got here, Beauchemin has been steady as of late after a rocky start. Kaberle is fantastic. Schenn and Gunnerson are both on rookie contracts and exelby makes 950 000 a year. The only one I can think of is Jeff Finger, which was a Cliff Fletcher signing, who never plays anyway and is well on his way of being bought out.
Anyway I'm tired of arguing which team has it worse. In a perfect world all 6 Canadian teams would be perennial playoff teams. |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 02/02/2010 : 16:00:24
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Originally posted by Guest4803
i thought tamebellini was the gm of the Oilers? not lowe
You are correct, however with Lowe as the President of Hockey Operations, he's the final say. I do not believe that the structure is a hand-off approach by Lowe. |
| Guest4803 |
Posted - 02/02/2010 : 15:53:12
i thought tamebellini was the gm of the Oilers? not lowe |
| Alex116 |
Posted - 02/02/2010 : 15:45:52
Yeah, TO's had some, but like you said, later in their careers. What i'm referring to now is a guy like Kovalchuk? My guess is that TO or Edm or any team that looks to be in a rebuilding mode will have a very tough time attracting a guy like this. He's been toiling in Atl since day 1 and i'd venture to guess that if he does in fact choose to move on, he's gonna wanna go somewhere that's a little closer to winning? Same goes for any high profile guys that the Leafs may inquire about. Either over pay them, or they prob go elsewhere? |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 02/02/2010 : 15:34:36
Alex, I agree partially with Edmonton not getting UFA, but TO has had their share. The problem is that in the past the UFA's they have landed have normally been later in their careers when their best hockey is behind them. I will agree that Burke has never been a huge UFA player and more specifically, does not chase or overpay the elder statesmen.
Lowe, however, would give Gretzky a $10 million a year contract for 10 years if he were to come out of retirement today! |
| Alex116 |
Posted - 02/02/2010 : 14:47:48
Beans, one thing you forgot to mention about TO, and sadly, this goes for Edm too, is that they don't have a great track record of attracting free agents! With the state the franchise is currently in, that's not soon to change? |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 02/02/2010 : 14:38:57
quote:
Originally posted by baumer
It sounds like you just compared Hemsky, penner and Visnovsky to Kessel Kaberle and Phaneuf. Thats not even close. Kessel and Phaneuf are players you build teams around, I highly doubt the Oilers are building their team around any of these three. I'm thinking its probably going to be Jordan Eberle or possibly Taylor Hall.
The difference between these 2 GM's is that Burke moved Blake and his ridiculous contract, where Kevin Lowe seems unwilling to take money back to get rid of a guy like Horcoff. Burke showed he is willing to do what it takes to improve and has said he will buy out or bury contracts in the off season to make the necessary moves. He is in the process of making the Leafs "his" team so I'll go out on a limb and say that Exelby, Stempniak, Kaberle and Ponikarovsky will be traded, and there are already rumours that Jeff Finger is going to be bought out "a la" Darcy Tucker.
Therefore the salary you see today is probably going to drop by around $10 mil by the draft. Thats assuming they re sign Gustavson, the money they give him will probably be around $2 mil a year.
I absolutely compared Hemsky, Penner, and Visnovksy to Kessel, Kaberle, and Phaneuf and it is not far off at all! Another painfully obvious lack of respect for the players. Look at Penner and what he has done this year as well as his career and up to this point, tell me the difference between him and Kessel?? Look at Hemsky and his 4 consecutive 40 assists seasons without a sniper. And I guess being one of the top 10-15 scoring defensemen in the game for the past 5 seasons is just nothing??? Yep, Visnovsky is a pile of pucks.
Could you please send me a sample of what ever glue you are huffing if you think for a second that Burke will be able to "unload" $10 million of contract at or before the draft. You talk about unloading Blake??? How about to unload that "ridiculous" $3 million a year contract he had to pick up a $7 million contract for a guy playing as a back up??? How does that make that a good 'dump'? Toskala was gone at the end of the year anyway, so next year, that "dump" of a contract cost the Leafs $4 million!
Nice Dump.
The Wizard of Oz has the Leafs fans completely gassed and beleiving every song and dance he is doing in front of the camera. The bottom line is that he has few if any assests coming up in the system, no 1st round draft picks this season, one legitimate forward and a goalie getting paid starting money but playing back up on a non-playoff team. He has two legitimate defenders and the rest are overpaid and underachieving.
How can that picture look anything other than what it is???
I am not saying that everything is rosy in Edmonton in the least, because it is not. Not even close. But TO and Edmonton are literally in the same boat in just about every area of the ice. However, Edmonton keeps this years draft and has at least 3 blue chippers coming up the system. But yet everything is rosy and bright in TO and everything is bleak in Edmonton??? Burke is a complete genius and Lowe/Tamellini are complete morons??
I am so confused. |
| Alex116 |
Posted - 02/02/2010 : 14:27:58
Baumer, you do have to keep in mind the two franchises you're comparing. Burke will likely be given the green light to bury contracts in the minors to reduce cap hits, buy contracts out, etc. That's the luxury afforded to a guy running a team as rich as the Maple Leafs! Edmonton simply doesn't have that luxury and won't be able to afford to do similar moves.
As for Gustavsson, i'm curious to see how much a team will throw at him. Personally, with the way he's played in front of a team performing as poorly as the Leafs have, i see him getting more in the 3+ mill range. I could be wrong, but there's gonna be teams looking for a goalie and while he's not in the Vezina talks, he's not done all that bad all things considered. For TO to keep him, i'm guessing it's gonna cost more than a couple mill? |
| JOSHUACANADA |
Posted - 02/02/2010 : 13:31:09
I personally hope Blake turns his game around now that he is playing with a team with a game plan. Same with Toskala, hoping this guy can regain worthiness for even a backup role. These guys were just withering away in the Toronto limelight. Neither was able to hack it under the bright lights.
Btw sending an albino to the State with the most sunshine is just mean. |
| baumer |
Posted - 02/02/2010 : 13:13:32
quote:
Originally posted by Beans15
The Ducks did this as since last spring, Giguere has not played as he has in the past. However, I am not saying he can not regain his form, but the $6 million salary, he should not have been outplayed by a rookie from Switzerland with little experience.
Now, on a side note, I am in shock and awe. Let's look at something for a second.
The Oilers, worst team in the NHL, have a payroll tied up for next year of $45 million for 14 players.
The Leafs, just 6 points up on the lowely Oilers(based nearly 100% on OTL's) have $43 million tied up for 13 players.
Edmonton gets to keep their 1st round draft pick this season and have Hemsky, Visnovsky, and Pennera among others.
TO doesn't get a 1st round pick this season and have Kessel, Phaneuf, and Kaberle among others.
But wait??? It's Kevin Lowe who is a moron and it's the Oilers in trouble??
Better look in the mirror Leafs fans, is see Burke smearing a lot of lipstick on a pig.
It sounds like you just compared Hemsky, penner and Visnovsky to Kessel Kaberle and Phaneuf. Thats not even close. Kessel and Phaneuf are players you build teams around, I highly doubt the Oilers are building their team around any of these three. I'm thinking its probably going to be Jordan Eberle or possibly Taylor Hall.
The difference between these 2 GM's is that Burke moved Blake and his ridiculous contract, where Kevin Lowe seems unwilling to take money back to get rid of a guy like Horcoff. Burke showed he is willing to do what it takes to improve and has said he will buy out or bury contracts in the off season to make the necessary moves. He is in the process of making the Leafs "his" team so I'll go out on a limb and say that Exelby, Stempniak, Kaberle and Ponikarovsky will be traded, and there are already rumours that Jeff Finger is going to be bought out "a la" Darcy Tucker.
Therefore the salary you see today is probably going to drop by around $10 mil by the draft. Thats assuming they re sign Gustavson, the money they give him will probably be around $2 mil a year. |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 02/01/2010 : 19:01:39
The Ducks did this as since last spring, Giguere has not played as he has in the past. However, I am not saying he can not regain his form, but the $6 million salary, he should not have been outplayed by a rookie from Switzerland with little experience.
Now, on a side note, I am in shock and awe. Let's look at something for a second.
The Oilers, worst team in the NHL, have a payroll tied up for next year of $45 million for 14 players.
The Leafs, just 6 points up on the lowely Oilers(based nearly 100% on OTL's) have $43 million tied up for 13 players.
Edmonton gets to keep their 1st round draft pick this season and have Hemsky, Visnovsky, and Pennera among others.
TO doesn't get a 1st round pick this season and have Kessel, Phaneuf, and Kaberle among others.
But wait??? It's Kevin Lowe who is a moron and it's the Oilers in trouble??
Better look in the mirror Leafs fans, is see Burke smearing a lot of lipstick on a pig. |
| n/a |
Posted - 02/01/2010 : 17:50:27
Hip hip . . . HORRAH!!! Hip hip . . . HOORAH!! Hip hip . . . HOORAH!!
Um, I am sort of ECSTATIC . . . not even sure if that covers the ELATION I feel about this trade. Words cannot describe the relief I feel to see Toskala gone and Jason Blake's monsterously overpaid butt leave town . . .
Giggy is the icing on the cake. To get ANYTHING for these guys is somewhat of a miracle, and I am scratching my head as to why the Ducks did this.
Huge win for the Leafs.
"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug |
| Tiller33 |
Posted - 01/31/2010 : 16:17:43
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Originally posted by Leafs81
[quote]Originally posted by Guest4623
everyone seems to forget that the monster is not under contract with the leafs next year, he has said he wanted to resign with the leafs but that was with toskala on the team who doesnt have a contracts next year either.. Do you not think that having traded for a goalie with with a contract for next year at $6million and potential to be a solid starter again will make gustavsson think twice about signing with the leafs and explore other options?
Exactly,
The point is Gustavsson is still a rookie and although he has shown potential to be a number one he isn't there yet, and needs a guy with more skill and a more similar playing style to learn from. That is why Giguere is a perfect fit.
Yeah but Gustavsson is RFA. and now he has the chance to prove he deserves to be number one. Not just handed out to him.
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| Leafs81 |
Posted - 01/31/2010 : 15:41:19
quote:
Originally posted by Guest4623
everyone seems to forget that the monster is not under contract with the leafs next year, he has said he wanted to resign with the leafs but that was with toskala on the team who doesnt have a contracts next year either.. Do you not think that having traded for a goalie with with a contract for next year at $6million and potential to be a solid starter again will make gustavsson think twice about signing with the leafs and explore other options?
Yeah but Gustavsson is RFA. and now he has the chance to prove he deserves to be number one. Not just handed out to him. |
| Guest2250 |
Posted - 01/31/2010 : 14:19:29
any1 realize the return burke may receive for giguere ?? lotta playoff bubble teams out there who may want a goalie, gigueres been there and done it dont forget...plus he dumped 2 big salaries on terrible players...execellent move for the leafs |
| Guest4623 |
Posted - 01/31/2010 : 13:33:14
everyone seems to forget that the monster is not under contract with the leafs next year, he has said he wanted to resign with the leafs but that was with toskala on the team who doesnt have a contracts next year either.. Do you not think that having traded for a goalie with with a contract for next year at $6million and potential to be a solid starter again will make gustavsson think twice about signing with the leafs and explore other options?
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| Tiller33 |
Posted - 01/31/2010 : 12:14:31
Simply unloading the Blake contract is a miracle in itself.
Burke said it perfectly in his press conference Giguerre is an allaire disciple and is now reunited with the guy who made him a stanley cup winner and a conn smyth winner. Also Allaire was the reason they signed Hiller who just bumped Giguerre and the reason he signed the monster. "2007 Gigurre" is the template they want Gustavsson to become so bringing him in removes the opposite style of Toskala and inputs a model in Giguerre for Gustavsson to follow. |
| Guest4597 |
Posted - 01/31/2010 : 12:06:48
Not a bad move, Blake sucks and is seriously overpaid. Toskala is terrible and the Leafs have already said that The Monster is their goalie going into the future. I think they got Giguere as more of a mentor, lets face it Gustavsson can't learn anything from Toskala. |
| Canucks Man |
Posted - 01/31/2010 : 11:07:56
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Originally posted by Guest5940
i see no reason why burke would think gigure is better than toskala, this trade would only be good if he was just trying to ditch blake
ahh duh! obviusly he was trying to ditch Blake, now that Penner is having a good year points wise Blake has to be the biggest underachiever based on salary in the league.
CANUCKS RULE!!!
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| Guest5940 |
Posted - 01/31/2010 : 10:59:03
i see no reason why burke would think gigure is better than toskala, this trade would only be good if he was just trying to ditch blake |
| Hugh G. Rection |
Posted - 01/31/2010 : 10:55:28
This is a better trade for the leafs, in my opinion, than the phaneuf blockbuster. Originally the trade was reported as including a first round pick (which would have been phenomenal for the leafs) but that seems to not be the case.
Regardless, the leafs get a solid veteran goalie who has a cup ring in exchange for the underachieving Toskala. Even if thats a push, getting rid of Blake and his horredous contract and face was amazing. I don't know what the Ducks were thinking, except that I guess they were fairly desperate to ship Giguere out, seeing as how they just inked Hiller and basically slapped him in the face. Overall solid trade for the leafs. The downside of course is that apart from Kessel they have absolutely no offense. |
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