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| leigh |
Posted - 03/23/2011 : 22:37:04
Will the Sedins finish 1 and 2 in the 2010/2011 points race? |
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| polishexpress |
Posted - 04/06/2011 : 21:56:32
The only thing being "eluded" in this post is the TOPIC and GRAMMAR ! I of course REFER to the ignorance of the fact that ALLUDE and ELUDE have two separate meanings.
I now will "allude" to the topic of the sedins finishing first and second by saying that Perry or St. Louis will finish second in scoring. |
| Guest4178 |
Posted - 03/30/2011 : 09:46:16
There are a lot of great players who never won a cup! (Many who have already been mentioned.) Can you fault Marcel Dionne for sticking with the Kings, and should we give more credit to Ray Bourque for leaving Boston to win a cup in Colorado?
I'm not criticizing Ray Bourque, but does the cup win in Colorado dramatically change how we should perceive his career? Personally, I feel that if Bourque finished his career in Boston, my perception of his career would still be the same – one of the greatest defensemen who ever played in the NHL. Top five in my opinion.
And taking the argument about "they never won a cup," further, how many ordinary players (or for that matter, lousy players) have won a Stanley Cup? I'm not taking anything away from any player who won a cup, but winning a cup should not the defining point of how we view the greatness of a player. |
| Guest0750 |
Posted - 03/28/2011 : 20:18:44
i only eluded to what you said in your post before, and Pat LaFontaine, Peter Stastny, Mats Sundin and Marcel Dionne may be great players. but that doesn't mean they could win when it mattered, and to have success means to win a stanley cup, untill vancouver wins a cup they are not a successful team. same goes to any other team that has not won a cup. |
| Dastardly Bastard |
Posted - 03/28/2011 : 19:18:36
I think the whole "They have to win a cup' argument is just an excuse used by Sedin/Canucks detractors to somehow justify the continued minimizing of their skill or the teams success.
Truth be told there are a ton of great players (HoF'ers even) past and present that have never won a cup. Are you going to tell me with a straight face that Pat LaFontaine, Peter Stastny, Mats Sundin and Marcel Dionne weren't great players?
And just to clear the air, the Sedin's have over 40+ playoff points each in 65 games. A far cry from the 24 lifetime playoff points you eluded to.
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| Guest0750 |
Posted - 03/27/2011 : 09:45:33
the man was just sayig that they need to win a cup to proven they are the best, 24 points in 22 games is greats but thats what they need to do in one playoff run not over their whole careers. |
| Dastardly Bastard |
Posted - 03/27/2011 : 09:34:40
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Originally posted by Oilearl
Wonderful players the twins are, but like every great player they need to prove themselves in the post season to move into conversation and comparison to the greats.
Outside of the Canucks 2nd rnd exits in the past two years, the twins have put the "not performing in the playoff" label behind them with a total of 24 points in 22 games.
For the record I'm not comparing them to past greats like Gretzky, Howe or even Crosby or Ovi, but they have been elite players in the NHL for several years and are currently two of the best players in the league. Whatever people feel about the Canucks, nobody in their right mind can deny the twins talent and skill. |
| Oilearl |
Posted - 03/26/2011 : 16:35:12
I don't see them 1 - 2 Canucks would be wise to start resting their players especially the key performers. President, scoring, & other trophies don't mean much when playoffs start!! Wonderful players the twins are, but like every great player they need to prove themselves in the post season to move into conversation and comparison to the greats. |
| ryan93 |
Posted - 03/26/2011 : 09:21:03
As for the poll question, i forget which way i voted the other day...but yes, i think we'll see the Sedin's finish 1-2. St.Louis is one of my favorite players so i'd love to see him move up even closer to the top of the list, but it would be pretty neat to have twin brothers finish 1-2 in scoring. |
| ryan93 |
Posted - 03/26/2011 : 09:07:25
I'm not sure about Zetterberg's rookie season, but i konw early on in his NHL career he was on a line with Pavel Datsyuk & Brett Hull. As Hull called them, the "2 kids & a goat" line!
I'm pretty sure Zetterberg was The Hockey's News #1 prospect one year too, so yeah, his stock definitely skyrocketed between the time he was drafted & the time he came to North America. |
| FutureKesler |
Posted - 03/25/2011 : 21:18:34
Of course they will!!! Hank and Danny are two elite players in this league and have the tools to finish one two. Also Burrows is starting to heat up again which will add to their point totals. But the Powerplays getting a bit cold. If they do finish one two, then its gotta be Double twins on the cover of NHL 12. am I right?
Kesler is the TRUE Nucks Captain. |
| Alex116 |
Posted - 03/25/2011 : 17:33:52
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Originally posted by Guest6850
Don't forget Zetterberg in the 7th!
Ah, touche! Skimmed right by him. Funny thing is, when i was looking for studs in the later rounds, it was the Detroit "steals" i was focusing on!
Kinda strange too how Zetterberg grew up not far from the twins and played against them all his life, yet he was drafted that late? Was he a late bloomer? He didn't take long to become a PPG player in the NHL, of course he was on a few good Red Wing teams. I don't follow them much so i don't know what kind of ice time he got and who he played with early in his career but the Sedin's certainly didn't see first line minutes. I will say though, they got some decent PP time early in their career. Not first unit, but a lot of 2nd unit time.
Regardless, they are what they are now and there's no denying they're superstars. |
| Guest6850 |
Posted - 03/25/2011 : 15:46:19
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Originally posted by Alex116
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Originally posted by tbar
Whats actually funny is the Leafs GM drafted those guys.....in fact he traded up so he could make sure to get them both!
Anyone realize just how bad of a draft year that was??? The Sedin's are the only players in the draft to have amounted to bonafide first liners! Even the Dmen aren't that spectacular. After a quick look through, i did notice Ryan Miller taken in the 5th round. As far as goalies go, he's a pretty darn good pick.
Seriously, have a skim through this and look at just how bad that draft year was!!!
http://www.nhl.com/ice/draftsearch.htm?year=1999&round=All&supl=N
ETA, maybe bonafide is a little strong as not many drafts have a ton of guys who end up first liners, but this entire draft seems really week. Tim Connolly seems to be the next best guy after those mentioned.
Don't forget Zetterberg in the 7th!
But seriously, at the time the Sedins were drafted, its not like there was "Crosby-like" hype around them. I think at the time, fans in Vancouver were hoping at the very least, solid second liners out of the twins, so the fact that they are where they are now, I dont understand the hate either.
I would like to see them go one and two in scoring, just because it would be an interesting side-note in the history of the game. Same reason it would be neat to see Daniel win the Hart and Art Ross back to back with Henrik. |
| Alex116 |
Posted - 03/25/2011 : 15:08:31
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Originally posted by tbar
Whats actually funny is the Leafs GM drafted those guys.....in fact he traded up so he could make sure to get them both!
Anyone realize just how bad of a draft year that was??? The Sedin's are the only players in the draft to have amounted to bonafide first liners! Even the Dmen aren't that spectacular. After a quick look through, i did notice Ryan Miller taken in the 5th round. As far as goalies go, he's a pretty darn good pick.
Seriously, have a skim through this and look at just how bad that draft year was!!!
http://www.nhl.com/ice/draftsearch.htm?year=1999&round=All&supl=N
ETA, maybe bonafide is a little strong as not many drafts have a ton of guys who end up first liners, but this entire draft seems really week. Tim Connolly seems to be the next best guy after those mentioned. |
| Guest4178 |
Posted - 03/25/2011 : 14:45:44
Everyone knows that the Sedin twins have played together their entire NHL hockey careers, and including when they played for Modo in Sweden. I suspect they've played together, and on the same line, since they were little kids.
You can't take anything away from them because they didn't complete blossom as NHL players for 3-4 years. In reality, they were very good NHLers right away, so if they remained very good players today, who would have a problem with that?
But they didn't remain very good players. They're superstars in the NHL. Henrik won the Hart last year, and Daniel will probably win it this year.
As far as taking time to mature as a hockey player, I wish more coaches and GMs would take notice of the Sedin twins. Coaches and GMs give up on players too quickly sometimes, always looking to trade up for today, or trade players for the future. That's fine, but show some patience once in awhile, and keep players on the same line for longer periods of time.
There's a saying that "familiarity breeds contempt," which may explain why some people do not like the Sedin twins. My suggestion is that "familiarity breeds success," and the Sedins are proof of that. The way they see each other on the ice is incredible. Kinda like Gretzky and Kurri, who played together for 8 seasons. They were magical on the ice, kinda like the Sedins are now! And that's great for hockey! |
| tbar |
Posted - 03/25/2011 : 13:45:57
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Originally posted by nuxfan
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just so you know if your taken in then top 3 in a draft and after 4 years your best season is 42 point (henrik), 54 (daniel) i lose faith
With that mindset, you could be the GM for the Leafs.
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funny to see that after the lock out year they increased the points by 20 to 30 points in one season. the new rules made them be able to be useful, otherwise they would be 50 point a year players.
The same could be said for a lot of players in the NHL - do you hate them as well?
Whats actually funny is the Leafs GM drafted those guys.....in fact he traded up so he could make sure to get them both! |
| Guest0750 |
Posted - 03/25/2011 : 13:43:15
i would not want be gm of toronto that would be horrible, and these other players with stats that jumped, i may not like them but the sedins are just the stand out. |
| nuxfan |
Posted - 03/25/2011 : 09:16:41
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just so you know if your taken in then top 3 in a draft and after 4 years your best season is 42 point (henrik), 54 (daniel) i lose faith
With that mindset, you could be the GM for the Leafs.
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funny to see that after the lock out year they increased the points by 20 to 30 points in one season. the new rules made them be able to be useful, otherwise they would be 50 point a year players.
The same could be said for a lot of players in the NHL - do you hate them as well? |
| Guest0750 |
Posted - 03/25/2011 : 08:51:35
i don't hate them for donating money that is them as a person, i hate them as hockey players, not people. they are also not the main reason i stopped watch the canucks because of brain burke, mike keenan(sorry if its spelt wrong), marc crawford, and the moose, plus the fact they traded linden and ronning. i more or less don't cheer for any team, i cheer for certain players. |
| Guest0750 |
Posted - 03/25/2011 : 08:43:55
the endless cycle and the hype was what made me sick of them, they really didn't produce early in their careers. took 4 years for them to start to produce like they should have and i personally do not like the style they play. just so you know if your taken in then top 3 in a draft and after 4 years your best season is 42 point (henrik), 54 (daniel) i lose faith. funny to see that after the lock out year they increased the points by 20 to 30 points in one season. the new rules made them be able to be useful, otherwise they would be 50 point a year players. but this is my opinion and many ppl will not like my opinion i argue with my brother and dad about this all the time, they love the sedins but then again they are canuck fans so they would. |
| Alex116 |
Posted - 03/25/2011 : 08:40:18
I don't have a prob with someone having a "hate-on" for a player. But it usually stems from:
1. Something that player has done to hurt the team that that person roots for.
2. Something that player has done to make his team better, a team in which said person hates
3. Etc....
Lemme put it to you this way. I despised Gretzky when i was growing up! Why? Because i hated the fact that he killed the Canucks every time we played the Oilers! Not to mention, it seemed that every record he broke, was against Vancouver! Did i respect him as a player? Absolutely! Do i still consider him the greatest player in the history of the game? Absolutely! But at that time, i hated him! Of course, this wasn't anything personal, seeing as i didn't know him, nor had i ever met him!
I can't understand any hockey fan, stopping watching their favorite team because of a player (in this case two) who they didn't like? I didn't enjoy the slow progression in the Sedin's or basically how long it took them to become the players they are today, and in fact, 7 years ago, i never thought they'd be this good! However, it didn't make me dislike them, and especially not enough to stop watching the Canucks. Guest(s), the Canucks don't need fans like you!
What the twins bring to the game is simply amazing. Take away Henrik's Hart and Art Ross's and anything Daniel may be fortunate enough to win this season, and they're still a joy to watch. I love how simple they make the game seem. I love how you never see them lose their cool. I love the fact that Daniel, in the middle of an Art Ross Trophy race, a President's trophy race, a shot at a Hart Trophy, etc, would choose to stay home with his wife while she gives birth to their child and risk missing a game. Overall, i just love how you can tell by watching them, just how much they love the game.
Then, consider their unselfishness in donating 1.5 million dollars to the BC Children's Hospital, and explain to me again how you hate these two classy individuals! 
Go ahead and hate, for whatever the reason's may be. But i sure hope you respect them as both hockey players, and human beings! 
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| Guest9733 |
Posted - 03/25/2011 : 04:37:47
lol @ the haters who say the sedins are the reason why they stopped watching...
the sedins are one of the reasons i'm watching hockey again.. just their creativity, reads and vision on ice with smart plays cannot be matched by anybody else in the league... this is said by many elite players in the league as well EG. Crosby and Gretzky |
| Statman |
Posted - 03/25/2011 : 02:02:31
Just curious what your reasoning is for not liking them. I get to watch them on a full time basis and they never cease to amaze me. Their vision of the ice is amazing and I think there are very few comparables in NHL history when it comes to two players that know one another's game so well.
There were issues early in their career about being too easy to knock down and doing endless cycling in the corner without taking it to the net, but those are problems no longer.
They are a big part of the reason the Canucks are tops in the league right now, and though Crosby was set to run away with the scoring lead and MVP, injuries took him down. With that said, I hope they do take 1st and 2nd. |
| Guest5289 |
Posted - 03/24/2011 : 20:03:52
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Originally posted by Guest0750
i truthfully hate the fact that it may happen, i've never been a fan of them. they were one of many reasons why i stopped watching the canucks. wish crosby had not got injured then this would not even be talked about. stamkos hasn't done s*** for weeks now, i have him in my pool and he has stunk it up the last two month pretty much.
ditto that my brother |
| Guest0750 |
Posted - 03/24/2011 : 15:36:54
i truthfully hate the fact that it may happen, i've never been a fan of them. they were one of many reasons why i stopped watching the canucks. wish crosby had not got injured then this would not even be talked about. stamkos hasn't done s*** for weeks now, i have him in my pool and he has stunk it up the last two month pretty much. |
| Guest9915 |
Posted - 03/24/2011 : 08:38:06
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Originally posted by MrBoogedy
St Louis and Stamkos may be right behind them, but I think the twins have it wrapped up. Just wish they played here in the east so i could see more of them, from what little i get to see them play they are great to watch, fast, creative... trade em for Gomez, straight up! If only....
Sedins for Gomez.... HAH! |
| leigh |
Posted - 03/23/2011 : 22:42:48
Wouldn't it be awesome if they tied in points. I could see them constructing such a thing. |
| MrBoogedy |
Posted - 03/23/2011 : 22:41:03
St Louis and Stamkos may be right behind them, but I think the twins have it wrapped up. Just wish they played here in the east so i could see more of them, from what little i get to see them play they are great to watch, fast, creative... trade em for Gomez, straight up! If only.... |
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