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Pasty7
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 Posted - 11/18/2010 : 11:57:17
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Poll Question:
As a Gm of a NHL hockey team which Combo would you prefer as your number 1 and 2 centers, Carter Richards for a combined cap hit of 10.9 million or Crosby and Malkin for a combined cap hit of 17.4 Million?
(Note this is a comparion of their value as a package to a team, obviously Malkin and Crosby are better players than Richards and Carter. This pole is to comapre cap hits.)
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Guest3020
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Posted - 11/18/2010 : 13:41:14
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| The correct answer is: None of the above. I'd rather have two players that go by the names of Daniel and Henrik Sedin, two players capable of competing for the Art Ross Trophy with a combined cap hit of $12.2 million. |
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Beans15
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Posted - 11/18/2010 : 14:39:17
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Crosby and Malkin. 2 of the top 5 forwards in the NHL today. Arguably, the top 2 centres in the NHL today. You build a new aged dynasty around those two guys.
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Awesome One
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Posted - 11/18/2010 : 15:11:59
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Crosby and Malkin, if they could only find a half decent winger and get Fleury playing consistent hockey, they would be in the midst of a dynasty.
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Pasty7
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Posted - 11/18/2010 : 15:22:13
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Originally posted by Beans15
Crosby and Malkin. 2 of the top 5 forwards in the NHL today. Arguably, the top 2 centres in the NHL today. You build a new aged dynasty around those two guys.
how though beans? you cannot afford to get a top 3 winger to play with either of these 2 centers?
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Awesome One
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Posted - 11/18/2010 : 15:26:13
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Originally posted by Pasty7
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Originally posted by Beans15
Crosby and Malkin. 2 of the top 5 forwards in the NHL today. Arguably, the top 2 centres in the NHL today. You build a new aged dynasty around those two guys.
how though beans? you cannot afford to get a top 3 winger to play with either of these 2 centers?
Pasty
What if they traded Staal?
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Guest4929
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Posted - 11/18/2010 : 17:14:38
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| Guest 3020 the sisters play on the same line and Daniel is a winger. I like Crosby and Malkin back to back both are lethal, however The Philly 1 2 punch are good Canadian kids!!! |
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Pasty7
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
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Posted - 11/18/2010 : 18:02:24
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Originally posted by Awesome One
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Originally posted by Pasty7
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Originally posted by Beans15
Crosby and Malkin. 2 of the top 5 forwards in the NHL today. Arguably, the top 2 centres in the NHL today. You build a new aged dynasty around those two guys.
how though beans? you cannot afford to get a top 3 winger to play with either of these 2 centers?
Pasty
What if they traded Staal?
There was once a license plate in Toronto that abbreviated "Go Leafs" it read "Golfs".
Staal is only 4 million,,, even if u add staal to Carter and Richards cap hit its less than Crosby and Malkin
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irvine
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Posted - 11/18/2010 : 20:14:15
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I'd take Malkin and Crosby.
You have two of the best offensive Centers in the National Hockey League.
Crosby, being the best in the NHL. Period. A guy who can adapt to any situation you need him to, and, can play any style he chooses.
Malkin, is a talented offensive player with a big body who can protect the puck well.
Both, are just quality.
Yes, they cost more. But, as proven, these two can carry their lines alone. They don't need wingers, to succeed personally and as a team. That's why I take them.
Carter and Richards are good, but, they can't carry a line by themselves. Let alone, an entire team.
Cut a little cost somewhere else in PIT, for two quality wingers (one for sid, one for Malkin), we may see something unreal.
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Beans15
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Posted - 11/18/2010 : 22:50:57
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Originally posted by Awesome One
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Originally posted by Pasty7
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Originally posted by Beans15
Crosby and Malkin. 2 of the top 5 forwards in the NHL today. Arguably, the top 2 centres in the NHL today. You build a new aged dynasty around those two guys.
how though beans? you cannot afford to get a top 3 winger to play with either of these 2 centers?
Pasty
What if they traded Staal?
There was once a license plate in Toronto that abbreviated "Go Leafs" it read "Golfs".
Exactly. Staal is the expendable centre in the group and is worth $4 million. For $4 million the Pens could pick up a guy like Frolov, Bourque, Wolski, Kostitsyn, JP Dumont, Clowe, Zubrus, Brown, et al.
Plus, there are always other secondary players or rookies (like Letestu that are coming up.
Much like the 80's Oilers (although not in the cap world) having Messier and Gretzky was the key to their success.
When you get 2 of the top 5 players in the league on your team and locked in long term, you spend the extra cash. They bring more to the table than Richards and Carter as a duo and are good enough to make less players better and good enough to win. |
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Pasty7
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Posted - 11/18/2010 : 23:19:58
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Originally posted by Beans15
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Originally posted by Awesome One
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Originally posted by Pasty7
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Originally posted by Beans15
Crosby and Malkin. 2 of the top 5 forwards in the NHL today. Arguably, the top 2 centres in the NHL today. You build a new aged dynasty around those two guys.
how though beans? you cannot afford to get a top 3 winger to play with either of these 2 centers?
Pasty
What if they traded Staal?
There was once a license plate in Toronto that abbreviated "Go Leafs" it read "Golfs".
Exactly. Staal is the expendable centre in the group and is worth $4 million. For $4 million the Pens could pick up a guy like Frolov, Bourque, Wolski, Kostitsyn, JP Dumont, Clowe, Zubrus, Brown, et al.
Plus, there are always other secondary players or rookies (like Letestu that are coming up.
Much like the 80's Oilers (although not in the cap world) having Messier and Gretzky was the key to their success.
When you get 2 of the top 5 players in the league on your team and locked in long term, you spend the extra cash. They bring more to the table than Richards and Carter as a duo and are good enough to make less players better and good enough to win.
see i would rather have say for arguments sake Carter at 5.2 add in any of those 4 million $ players you just mentioned hell add 2 in,, then do the same with the Richards line. You are right you ar better off with the Crosby Malkin combo IF you draft well and can keep getting kids with good offensive upside to fill out your top six but what happens if you don't draft well you have no wiggle room to buy a player through free agency, or replace a injured player for a playoff run
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Yewcandoit
Rookie
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Posted - 11/19/2010 : 00:59:30
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| How about Kovalchoke for 10mil/year? |
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Posted - 11/19/2010 : 04:53:20
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I think the argument is complicated . . . it's a real tough pick, IMHO. I actually voted Carter/Richards, but honestly, I am starting to think Crosby Malkin. Other interesting pairs to add to the mix in terms of value for their money (besides the aforementioned Sedins):
Toews/Kane
Stamkos/St.Louis
Thornton/Heatley
I do think Richards is great value, and I think Carter is ok value for what they bring to the team. Crosby is one of if not the best player in the league overall . . . skill, great under pressure, developing leader, can score, can do it all. Malkin may be overvalued, however . . . still a top three four guy (see: red-hot Stamkos), but for the money, I wouldn't say he is that much better than a guy like Mike Richards. I disagree with Beans, Richards I can guarantee you would make the poorest of lines look very good . . . and he is the top penalty killer in the league, IMHO.
But Crosby is the key, and I have no problem with people choosing Crosby/Malkin for just that reason. But it's a lot of dough.
No, in the end I will stick with Richards/Carter. Hockey remains very much a team game, my friends . . . and with the left over money you can get another very good center, and a quality sniper.
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JOSHUACANADA
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Posted - 11/19/2010 : 10:30:47
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Carter and Richards. Last year's picture tells the story. One team could afford a supporting cast the other team could not. One team was also much better defensively than the other. I'll give that Crosby and Malkin are better offensive, but are Richards and Carter 3/5 as offensive. As good as Crosby is on both ends of the ice, both him and Malkin are overvalued, Malkin just more overvalued. for the money I'd go Richards and Carter based on better value and better combined defensively.
Plus Malkin is just ugly and thats no lie. |
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JOSHUACANADA
PickupHockey Veteran
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Posted - 11/19/2010 : 10:35:03
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Originally posted by Beans15
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Originally posted by Awesome One
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Originally posted by Pasty7
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Originally posted by Beans15
Crosby and Malkin. 2 of the top 5 forwards in the NHL today. Arguably, the top 2 centres in the NHL today. You build a new aged dynasty around those two guys.
how though beans? you cannot afford to get a top 3 winger to play with either of these 2 centers?
Pasty
What if they traded Staal?
There was once a license plate in Toronto that abbreviated "Go Leafs" it read "Golfs".
Exactly. Staal is the expendable centre in the group and is worth $4 million. For $4 million the Pens could pick up a guy like Frolov, Bourque, Wolski, Kostitsyn, JP Dumont, Clowe, Zubrus, Brown, et al.
Plus, there are always other secondary players or rookies (like Letestu that are coming up.
Much like the 80's Oilers (although not in the cap world) having Messier and Gretzky was the key to their success.
When you get 2 of the top 5 players in the league on your team and locked in long term, you spend the extra cash. They bring more to the table than Richards and Carter as a duo and are good enough to make less players better and good enough to win.
A point to make about Staal being expendable. He the best defensive center on that team and is IMHO a better deal than malkin for the price. He's one of the reasons Pittsburg had enjoyed some depth in the Center position, which allowed Malkin to move to winger for a time on Crosby's line. |
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Awesome One
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Posted - 11/19/2010 : 14:50:15
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Originally posted by Beans15
Exactly. Staal is the expendable centre in the group and is worth $4 million. For $4 million the Pens could pick up a guy like Frolov, Bourque, Wolski, Kostitsyn, JP Dumont, Clowe, Zubrus, Brown, et al.
Ya, 4 mil. does not get you what it used to!
I really do not think that it is fair that players like Dainus Zubrus are making around 4 million bu bobby Orr and many other earlier superstars were never even close to that much for one year.
How much do you think Orr would make in today's NHL?
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Utemin
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Posted - 11/19/2010 : 17:26:43
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Look at what would happen if you signed theese players, your depth will disapear, i would like a team with just above average players every where and an All-Star Goalie.
as the vote I would take Crosby and Malkin, Trade value on those players is great.
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