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Yewcandoit
Rookie
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 Posted - 11/25/2010 : 00:48:15
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Iginla has been lighting it up recently. What do you think his valuation is at?
I've heard that calgary has their sights on Richards.
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Pasty7
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
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Posted - 11/25/2010 : 01:13:46
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I don't know if Calgary can do anything to get Richards they are over the cap if a few of their players come off injury reserve and Dallas will not want any cap hit in return for Richards and if you Lose Iginla to get Richards have you really imporved your team? in my opinion you didn't get any better!
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Awesome One
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
505 Posts |
Posted - 11/25/2010 : 06:28:19
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Two first round draft choices and Okposo from the Islanders.
Builds for the future, but the only way I'd like to see him go is getting traded to say the Lightning or Kings in 5 or so years to win the cup.
There was once a license plate in Toronto that abbreviated "Go Leafs" it read "Golfs". |
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nuxfan
PickupHockey All-Star
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Posted - 11/25/2010 : 08:52:00
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Iggy is that sort of player that would just benefit from a change in scenery - and other teams probably realize that. Even if he had a bad year this year I think he'd still have significant value in the off season.
I agree with Patsy - Iginla for Richards makes no sense for CGY - Ideally then want Richards AND Iginla. It probably makes no sense for DAL either, given they are fast running out of money. As for Richards and Iginla, the Flames are barely under the cap now and Richards looks ready to sign for 7+M next year, so I don't see it happening.
I'm assuming you mean Brad Richards - if you mean Mike Richards, then I would say that makes no sense for PHI.
If Iginla gets traded next season, it would ideally be for bluechip prospects and draft picks. His trade would likely signal a rebuild effort. |
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Beans15
Moderator
Canada
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Posted - 11/25/2010 : 09:45:19
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The rumors I heard when there was some smoke around the trade Iginla talk was LA moving Brayden Schenn and a draft picks for Iginla.
That seems about right. Maybe a little bit high considered the value of youth in the NHL, but not far off. |
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Guest6659
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Posted - 11/25/2010 : 10:10:32
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holy crap!
You people are oblivious!! Iginla for Richards??? I heard the weed in B.C. is good, but this is a sign that it may contain Crack!! Iginla is not going anywhere. |
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top cheese
Top Prospect
Canada
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Posted - 11/25/2010 : 11:07:34
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| tsn reported he's going to toronto for there 12' and 13' 1st round picks............ just kidding |
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Alex116
PickupHockey Legend
6113 Posts |
Posted - 11/25/2010 : 12:41:21
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Originally posted by Awesome One
Two first round draft choices and Okposo from the Islanders.
Builds for the future, but the only way I'd like to see him go is getting traded to say the Lightning or Kings in 5 or so years to win the cup.
There was once a license plate in Toronto that abbreviated "Go Leafs" it read "Golfs".
You really think the Isle's would do this? What the F$#* would Iginla bring them? I'm pretty sure that a team aquiring him would be to help them on a cup run in the next year or 2? You think the Isle's are in this position? I suppose he could help them end their 14 game losing streak, but that's a pretty price to pay for that....... |
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nuxfan
PickupHockey All-Star
3670 Posts |
Posted - 11/25/2010 : 12:44:03
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| Iginla has a NMC. No way he's going to the Islanders. |
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The Duke
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
1239 Posts |
Posted - 11/25/2010 : 15:21:02
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wonder if Burke can swing another Calgary steal ? he did it once...guess it won`t happen again.. |
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leigh
Moderator
Canada
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Posted - 11/25/2010 : 15:45:20
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Iginla is typically very streaky so this is not abormal. At this pace he'll be just shy of a 40 goal scorer which is normal as well. But his points are way off; at 17 this puts him at 112th in the league. At this time of the season he should be in the top 20. In addition, his team's poor performance puts his value WAAAAAY down.
IF the Flames were trading (which they are not) him it wouldn't be now because they would get significantly less than his worth. Throw in his No-Trade-Clause and the fact that they EMPHATICALLY stated that he would not be moved this year and I'm confident that he is going nowhere for 12 to 15 months.
With 2 years left on his contract (I think) we'll see both Sutter's move first. If the Flames are not looking like they'll make the playoffs by the trade deadline then we'll see the Sutter's pack their bags. So I think it's likely that if they do leave he'd be excited to see what the new management will want to do. So I think he'll play until at least next year's trade deadline (2012) under new management. If the team is still tanking then he'll approve them to shop around. BTW, at this time in his career he'll only go to a contender. |
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nuxfan
PickupHockey All-Star
3670 Posts |
Posted - 11/25/2010 : 17:22:59
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wonder if Burke can swing another Calgary steal ? he did it once...guess it won`t happen again
Well, the jury is still out on that deal - unless Phanuf scores 60 pts a year and leads TOR to the playoffs or a cup, all TOR picked up was an overpriced defenseman...
What could the Leafs give up to get Iginla? The cupboard is pretty bare, and their only real trade bait, Kaberle, is the last thing that CGY needs. |
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Beans15
Moderator
Canada
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Posted - 11/25/2010 : 17:27:23
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The thing with Calgary is that they are not far off what Edmonton was about 18 months ago but only with a higher payroll. The team is not very good and they don't have much coming up.
A rebuild is needed and Iginla is too old to be part of that. A deal made now would be worth much more than a deal in 18 months and would jump start Calgary's rebuild. |
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Posted - 11/26/2010 : 05:54:01
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Leigh,
The one thing I strongly disagree with you on is value - I think at this point, Iggy's value is at an all-time high, and cannot get much higher. As they say on Bay Street - "buy low, sell high".
However, your points about only going to a contender if he was traded, and the fact that it really looks like a million to one shot that he would ever leave I agree with. I don't think management wants a fan revolt by trading away Iginla (which is what would happen) to get some very promising young players and spare parts . . . because in today's market, that's about all one might get.
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Awesome One
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
505 Posts |
Posted - 11/26/2010 : 06:06:38
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I think it really all depends on where the Flames finish.
If they finish really low, then they will try to build for the future and will probably trade Iggy.
If they finish 10th or higher, they will still think they are good enough to make the playoffs.
It will be really tough to move Iggy, if you trade him for a star, your right back where you started, and some teams will not trade draft picks for him.
There was once a license plate in Toronto that abbreviated "Go Leafs" it read "Golfs". |
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nuxfan
PickupHockey All-Star
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Posted - 11/26/2010 : 08:42:07
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However, your points about only going to a contender if he was traded, and the fact that it really looks like a million to one shot that he would ever leave I agree with. I don't think management wants a fan revolt by trading away Iginla (which is what would happen) to get some very promising young players and spare parts . . . because in today's market, that's about all one might get.
Iginla has publicly stated that he would not stand in the way if CGY management wanted to trade him, so it would seem that when the time comes, he will be traded. I suspect that he WOULD stand in the way of CGY trading him to a bottom feeder team, but he'll probably be reasonable - no doubt he wants to continue with a contender, which is natural. It would seem that at this point, it is up to management when to start the rebuild. Not if, when.
As Beans says, CGY is pretty bad right now, and shows no signs of getting better. From what I can tell, the fans are starting to resign themselves to a life post-Iginla and a rebuild, so I don't think the revolt would be as bad as you think.
I also think that CGY would get significant value back for Iginla, it would not be spare parts. There are many teams right now that would covet a player like Iginla, with the realization that a change in scenery with a contender might kickstart his performance. LA, COL, STL, TB, BOS, NYR all come to mind as teams that would see Iginla as the ingredient they need to push them to the next level, and there are probably others. |
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Alex116
PickupHockey Legend
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Posted - 11/26/2010 : 09:25:35
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Absolutely agree nuxfan. While Iggy would likely stand in the way of a trade to a bottom feeder, it's unlikely any bottom feeder would want to give up the future (picks / prospects / youth) that it will prob require to get him. It's def going to be a trade (if one happens) to a team which is either a contender now, or will be withing the next 2-3 years. There's no need for an aging superstar on a bottom feeder. Most bottom feeders are looking to rebuild and that's the same situation he's in now in Calgary!
Def could see him bringing some good pieces back to Calgary to begin a rebuild. IF that's the case, and i'm not sure how salaries would work but what about Iggy AND Kipper to the Lightning for a package? If Stevie Y wants to win soon, he'd prob be a nice fit beside Lecavalier to build a second solid line? I have no idea if this is even possible salary wise as well as no knowing what's in the TBay system as far as picks and prospects, but they could def use a better goalie. If Calgary looks to rebuild, Kipper is in the same spot at Iggy is he not?
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nuxfan
PickupHockey All-Star
3670 Posts |
Posted - 11/26/2010 : 09:44:39
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Iginla and Kipper to TB, whoa there! While good for TB, I cannot imagine what TB could offer back that would make it worth it to CGY AND allow TB to remain competative. Kipper is easily one of the top 10 goalies in the NHL (perhaps on some people's top5), and Iginla still has a lot to give as well.
For Iginla and Kipper to go to TB, I can't see CGY asking for any less than Stamkos and perhaps Hedman. Which just isn't going to happen IMO. |
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Alex116
PickupHockey Legend
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Posted - 11/26/2010 : 10:35:38
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Originally posted by nuxfan
Iginla and Kipper to TB, whoa there! While good for TB, I cannot imagine what TB could offer back that would make it worth it to CGY AND allow TB to remain competative. Kipper is easily one of the top 10 goalies in the NHL (perhaps on some people's top5), and Iginla still has a lot to give as well.
For Iginla and Kipper to go to TB, I can't see CGY asking for any less than Stamkos and perhaps Hedman. Which just isn't going to happen IMO.
Good point(s). I'm assuming the Stamkos / Hedman suggestion is merely to emphasize your point? Cuz that's certainly not gonna happen. The main point i was trying to make i guess is that it would be wise, if they (the Flames) decide to offload Iggy for prospects / picks, to do the same with Kipper. Perhaps, as you imply, getting both these guys would be difficult / impossible for 1 team but would the flames keep him for a rebuild? Possibly i guess? He's 34 though, meaning by the time they become a contender again, he might be well past his prime? Didn't someone around here mention the old "Buy low, sell high" theory? I think that fits both these Calgary studs. |
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nuxfan
PickupHockey All-Star
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Posted - 11/26/2010 : 14:05:36
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Yeah, it was sort of emphasizing the point that it can't happen. Iggy and Kipper are 2 very valuable players, and for one team to get them both they'd have to give up more than prospects. Iggy and Kipper for Stamkos + prospect would be a fair deal I think - trade the old for the new. It would be reminiscent of how CGY got Iginla in the first place (trade with DAL for Niewendyk, a classic "old for new" scenario). Perhaps Iginla and Reghr to TB for not-Stamkos-but-other-good bits. I don't know, its all speculation.
I'm not sure if they'd trade Kipper, goalies are different and age differently than other players. Also, many teams subscribe to the "build from the net out" mantra, and if you're going to do that Kipper is a solid choice to build from. If a rebuild is going to happen, there are a lot of ways that they could go in terms of trading pieces, but I think Kipper would stay. |
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Alex116
PickupHockey Legend
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Posted - 11/26/2010 : 14:43:55
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I too could see them keeping Kipper for a rebuild as when you're rebuilding, it's obviously important to be strong in net! Too bad though, he could fetch the right team as much as Iggy for a playoff drive, maybe more?
If i'm TB, i'm not trading Stamkos for anything at this point. Well, maybe if an Ovi, Crosby, Backstrom, etc type player were involved, but not for a anyone in their 30's! No way in the world would i trade him for two guys like Iggy and Kipper at their age(s). |
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Utemin
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
451 Posts |
Posted - 11/27/2010 : 18:39:04
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The Main Reason Iginla will stay with the flames is because he is there teams Profit. The fans in Calgary love Iginla he is a well known face on TV and plays Great Hockey.
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leigh
Moderator
Canada
1755 Posts |
Posted - 11/28/2010 : 17:39:58
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Originally posted by slozo
Leigh,
The one thing I strongly disagree with you on is value - I think at this point, Iggy's value is at an all-time high, and cannot get much higher. As they say on Bay Street - "buy low, sell high".....
Well since you "strongly" disagree how can I argue....
Ok I'll try....All-time high???? Not even close. If he was coming off another 50 goal season I could contemplate agreeing with you, but he is coming off his lowest point total in 5 years (by 30 pts!!!) and his current pace is barely better than last season's horrible performance. Not to mention his team is off to it's worst start in 10 years. Throw in that he is now a year older, and sadly, his value is WAY down my friend!
Now that doesn't mean that interest in him isn't at an all-time high. The reason? Up until this season it was inconceivable for another team to even try to make a move for Iginla. Up until this year the Flames were always a contender, he was happy and there was a strong belief that the team could reach the holy grail. This year the team's depth is weak and their super star is obviously underperforming - again. Other teams may think that he would waive his no-trade clause to go to a contender and get a fresh start while he is young enough. They may think that he's ripe for the picking - although, as I stated above, I don't think he'll move until the trade deadline in 2012.
So I would say that you are mistaking "value" for what is actually "interest level" |
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Pasty7
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
2312 Posts |
Posted - 11/28/2010 : 17:53:51
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Pittsburgh anyone,, ??
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Awesome One
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
505 Posts |
Posted - 11/28/2010 : 19:39:00
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[quote]Originally posted by Pasty7
Pittsburgh anyone,, ??
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I highly doubt it, Pittsburgh has no cap space.
There was once a license plate in Toronto that abbreviated "Go Leafs" it read "Golfs". |
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nuxfan
PickupHockey All-Star
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Posted - 11/28/2010 : 20:52:18
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Pittsburgh anyone,, ??
only if its for Malkin...otherwise how can PIT afford him? |
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JOSHUACANADA
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
2308 Posts |
Posted - 11/29/2010 : 11:56:52
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| St Louis could use a guy like Iginla. They have both the trade bait and the cap room for Iginla and I truly believe the Blue could be a contender with a few veteran grinders who can score and to help lead them. |
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Pasty7
PickupHockey Veteran
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Posted - 11/29/2010 : 12:28:46
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Originally posted by JOSHUACANADA
St Louis could use a guy like Iginla. They have both the trade bait and the cap room for Iginla and I truly believe the Blue could be a contender with a few veteran grinders who can score and to help lead them.
this is very plausible!!! they have the cap room and enough assets not to sell the futur,, plus they have some very good up and comers but noone who is going to have to be cut lose because of iggy's contract, this could work i could see this,,, another maybe is what about Columbus? Rick Nash on one wing and Iggy on the other, this is a team who has to make the playoffs and has to win at least a round of the playoffs and lets face it they have to imporve on their team to do so,, i could see both kaberle and Iginla going there at the deadline,, or maybe they go after Richards, this is a team who needs to do well or they will be moved!
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Awesome One
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 11/29/2010 : 14:22:36
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I'd think that Colombus would chase Iggy a little harder than St. Louis, we all saw what Iggy can do with Nash, so I think that could be a legitimite option.
There was once a license plate in Toronto that abbreviated "Go Leafs" it read "Golfs". |
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Posted - 11/30/2010 : 05:00:14
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Let me rephrase it then, Leigh (I admit, I worded it badly):
I think that from right now until the end of Iginla's career/retirement, his value going forward is at an all-time high. Basically what I am projecting/guessing is that Iginla will never perform quantatively better in the future than he is performing right now.
It's a great little run he has been on recently though. Earlier in the year I had already started to celebrate winning my bet about Iginla not making 36 goals, and he is back on pace to perhaps make it a losing bet for me, or at least very very close.
But with a sniper, age catches you real fast historically, and Iginla has already staved off his production decline with a rare 50 goal season over the age of 30. He can't keep father time away forever.
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Pasty7
PickupHockey Veteran
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Posted - 11/30/2010 : 12:37:29
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Originally posted by slozo
Let me rephrase it then, Leigh (I admit, I worded it badly):
I think that from right now until the end of Iginla's career/retirement, his value going forward is at an all-time high. Basically what I am projecting/guessing is that Iginla will never perform quantatively better in the future than he is performing right now.
It's a great little run he has been on recently though. Earlier in the year I had already started to celebrate winning my bet about Iginla not making 36 goals, and he is back on pace to perhaps make it a losing bet for me, or at least very very close.
But with a sniper, age catches you real fast historically, and Iginla has already staved off his production decline with a rare 50 goal season over the age of 30. He can't keep father time away forever.
"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug
i must admitt i was worried about our little wager but now i think it will come right down to the wire i bet you he scores between 34 and 38 it will be close in my opinion
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sahis34
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
591 Posts |
Posted - 11/30/2010 : 17:56:43
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Kyle Turris
Go OILERS Go!!! |
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Yewcandoit
Rookie
Canada
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Posted - 12/03/2010 : 20:23:25
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