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The Duke
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 Posted - 01/23/2011 : 18:45:23
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Sometimes its not the team that has a lack of guts...its just several players. Right now i think this is Toronto`s problem. Most of them work hard every night, while several don`t. This team is still a work in progress, give Burke another trade dead-line and summers UFA to see if he can turn this around.
Remember this team has been 90 % replaced, it takes time to see where all the peices fit in. If Toronto isn`t playing .500 hockey ( at least ) by next years all - star game, well then i think Burke would have failed as the GM. |
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Posted - 01/24/2011 : 07:25:41
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Lunchbox - inconsistency is the sign of a young team, which the Leafs are. It should be EXPECTED (and certainly was by myself) that the Leafs would be a bit inconsistent. Heck, in today's league, just about every team is sorta inconsistent, really . . . any team can beat any other team on any given night, check out the scores.
But being a team that has come back to win it in the third period as many times as the Leafs this season is the OPPOSITE of gutless . . . it actually shows that the Leafs, as a team, actually has a lot of heart. As shown in the game against Anaheim, as shown in the thid period comebacks (anyone remember that one against Washington a while back?!?), as shown in the low number of blow-outs comparitive to their record.
No, I have zero issue with the compete level for MOST of the Leafs (except for Komisarek and Kessel at times).
"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug |
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Posted - 01/24/2011 : 07:42:29
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Originally posted by slozo
Lunchbox - inconsistency is the sign of a young team, which the Leafs are. It should be EXPECTED (and certainly was by myself) that the Leafs would be a bit inconsistent. Heck, in today's league, just about every team is sorta inconsistent, really . . . any team can beat any other team on any given night, check out the scores.
But being a team that has come back to win it in the third period as many times as the Leafs this season is the OPPOSITE of gutless . . . it actually shows that the Leafs, as a team, actually has a lot of heart. As shown in the game against Anaheim, as shown in the thid period comebacks (anyone remember that one against Washington a while back?!?), as shown in the low number of blow-outs comparitive to their record.
No, I have zero issue with the compete level for MOST of the Leafs (except for Komisarek and Kessel at times).
"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug
90% of Leafs comebacks you mention were made possible with help of man (or two) advantage. So ease up on the "comebacks" for Leafs |
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Guest0008
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Posted - 01/24/2011 : 07:43:36
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Originally posted by The Duke
Sometimes its not the team that has a lack of guts...its just several players. Right now i think this is Toronto`s problem. Most of them work hard every night, while several don`t. This team is still a work in progress, give Burke another trade dead-line and summers UFA to see if he can turn this around.
Remember this team has been 90 % replaced, it takes time to see where all the peices fit in. If Toronto isn`t playing .500 hockey ( at least ) by next years all - star game, well then i think Burke would have failed as the GM.
Also remember that last year's Habs were 90% replaced too - they went to Eastern Final.... let's see where Leafs guts bring them this year |
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ToXXiK1
PickupHockey Pro
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Posted - 01/24/2011 : 07:56:33
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You make a point of saying the comeback's were due to man advantage situations. All of them? Can you back that up, as I don't watch the Leafs all that often. Also, how many other teams have mounted comebacks on the PP? None? C'mon, this happens nightly in the NHL. That's the game. If they're on the PP it's probably due to the pressure being put on and the other team couldn't handle it and took a penalty. PP, even strength, empty net, 2-1 or 20 - 0, 2pts is 2pts at the end of the game. Now, how many games have the Leafs lost to being on the PK? You don't mention that? Your argument goes both ways and is pointless given it happens to ALL teams.
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Porkchop73
PickupHockey Pro
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Posted - 01/24/2011 : 14:09:54
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Originally posted by Lunchbox
But Porkchop, if you asked someone to define a team with a lack of "guts", they might just describe a team the way you just described the Leafs: "no determination at all" "lacking consistency" and "giving up"
I'm pretty sure the OP wasn't saying the Leafs are afraid of their own shadow but that inconsistent will to win is one of those factors that puts the Leafs in the situation they are in today.
Actually, Lunchbox, I described a team that has guts as demonstrated by the win over Anaheim. A gutless team does not respond to a 7-0 thumping with a game like they played against Anaheim.
Inconsistency in no way means a team has no guts. As Slozo already pointed out, younger teams are almost always inconsistent. They need more then 1 season and a half to find the chemistry that makes strong team play game to game. A lot of people forget that this team for the most part has not even been together for a full season.
I do admit if they are indeed giving up (which I don't think they do but sometimes looks that way) it would be akin to "having no guts" |
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Lunchbox
Top Prospect
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Posted - 01/24/2011 : 23:50:46
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I agree Porkchop, I was only saying that people can use those same definitions to come up with "gutless" as a description. Actually, sometimes when you're down by four or five goals, its smarter to "give up" and rest up for the next game, than it is to bust your butt on an improbable comeback. The Leafs response in the next game may have been indicative of that.
Obviously, the Leafs real issue is their starts. They sure aren't making games easy on themselves with the slow first periods. This isn't a lack of guts, but I honestly don't know what one team does to "gear up" for a game better than the other. |
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T-RAV
Top Prospect
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Posted - 01/25/2011 : 03:29:12
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Originally posted by ToXXiK1
Guest0008:
You make a point of saying the comeback's were due to man advantage situations. All of them? Can you back that up, as I don't watch the Leafs all that often. Also, how many other teams have mounted comebacks on the PP? None? C'mon, this happens nightly in the NHL. That's the game. If they're on the PP it's probably due to the pressure being put on and the other team couldn't handle it and took a penalty. PP, even strength, empty net, 2-1 or 20 - 0, 2pts is 2pts at the end of the game. Now, how many games have the Leafs lost to being on the PK? You don't mention that? Your argument goes both ways and is pointless given it happens to ALL teams.
"Hockey is a man's game. The team with the most real men wins.” - Brian Burke
Well said Toxxxik |
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