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Guest0288
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 Posted - 02/02/2011 : 08:51:03
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ToXXiK1
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Posted - 02/02/2011 : 08:55:58
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enlightening....... really?
"Hockey is a man's game. The team with the most real men wins.” - Brian Burke |
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Guest4350
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Posted - 02/02/2011 : 09:52:06
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Originally posted by Guest5958
So Nabokov came back to the NHL with the intent to play for a contender. Just like Hossa, when he went to Pittsburgh, and then Detriot, and then Chicago. Or Ray Bourque, when he said so long Boston, I want to win a cup before I retire. The only difference is Nabokov was at the mercy of the waiver wire, and had the audacity to believe that teams would respect his wishes to play for something resembling a contending team, and that no one would pick up an elite goaltender at an entry level salary.
Similar but not just like Hossa, and Bourque. Hossa and Bourque didn't leave the NHL. There is no need for any team to respect his wishes until he shows them due respect in return. First he disrespect the league by ditching them and then want the league to respect his wishes. His wishes weren't respected because the Isles picked him up so, what does Nabby do? Yup more dissin'.
Likely scenario, he reports on the last day voiding the Isle ability to keep him another year. Then signs as UFA in the summer. Probably playing only 1 game with the Isle. The Isle gets screwed over again. The player gets their wishes. Here's to karma and hoping nobody signs him in the summer.... |
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Canucks Man
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
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Posted - 02/02/2011 : 10:16:24
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Originally posted by ToXXiK1
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Originally posted by Canucks Man
Can Someone please explain how the Islanders are going to hold his contract for next season. As far as I can tell there really isn't any right or reason for that.
CANUCKS RULE!!!
I believe due to not reporting and the subsequent suspension, the NYI still have him for the following year. If he showed and played, he was a free man next season.
"Hockey is a man's game. The team with the most real men wins.” - Brian Burke
Can he fight this? Considering the contract he signed was with another team that had a no movement clause. Seems unfair that he would be forced to play for a team he never signed a contract with.
CANUCKS RULE!!!
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ToXXiK1
PickupHockey Pro
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Posted - 02/02/2011 : 10:28:57
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What contract exactly has he signed?? If you're speaking of Detroit, there isn't a contract to sign until he cleared waivers, which he didn't, NYI claimed him.
"Hockey is a man's game. The team with the most real men wins.” - Brian Burke |
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polishexpress
PickupHockey Pro
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Posted - 02/02/2011 : 11:32:04
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Of course Nabokov can fight this, but the precedent has been set when Yashin wanted a trade and refused to play. Ottawa then susepended for the 99/00 season, which had been the last year of the contract. After the season was done, Yashin didn't become a free agent as he was supposed to, rather, an arbitrator rule that Ottawa was still owed the final year of the contract. Thus Yashin came back in the 00/01 season.
Nabokov is an Islander next year as it stands. |
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Canucks Man
PickupHockey Veteran
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Posted - 02/02/2011 : 11:43:51
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First off, Nabokov did sign a contract with Detriot, if he didn't then he isnt under contract with the Islanders and has absolutly no reason to go there.
Second, Yashin was on a contract he signed with Ottawa when he didn't show up for the season, Nabokov did not sign a contract with NYI there for he really doesn't owe them anything for not showing up.
CANUCKS RULE!!!
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nuxfan
PickupHockey All-Star
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Posted - 02/02/2011 : 11:44:32
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| Toxxik - he did sign a contract with DET, for 450K (prorated that works out to 250K). Contracts follow players - when he went on waivers his contract went with him, and when you pickup a player on wiavers you assume their contract as well. |
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Alex116
PickupHockey Legend
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Posted - 02/02/2011 : 13:12:46
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Originally posted by Guest4350
Likely scenario, he reports on the last day voiding the Isle ability to keep him another year. Then signs as UFA in the summer. Probably playing only 1 game with the Isle. The Isle gets screwed over again. The player gets their wishes. Here's to karma and hoping nobody signs him in the summer....
I don't have a clue if this is possible, but i'm kinda thinking it's not. If the Isles supspend him, it's my thinking that they decide when the suspension is up therefore not enabling him to come back for one game in your scenario? I don't know this to be true, but i'd have to assume there's a rule prohibiting this in there somewhere/?
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nuxfan
PickupHockey All-Star
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Posted - 02/02/2011 : 17:09:17
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| AFAIK, he is suspended until he decides to report - once he does, I don't think NYI can keep him suspended. It would be a good move on his part to do something like that (perhaps the last 2 weeks), so he doesn't screw himself for next year. |
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Guest4278
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Posted - 02/02/2011 : 18:20:05
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Originally posted by Guest4350
Here's to karma and hoping nobody signs him in the summer....
No karma would be he gets a long term injury like an ACL or double ACL tear. |
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polishexpress
PickupHockey Pro
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Posted - 02/02/2011 : 18:49:22
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@Canucks Man:
You are aware of the waiver rules, right? The media made them very clear in the case of Nabokov.
Here is a quote from an ESPN NHL web article:
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The 35-year-old goaltender signed a one-year contract with Detroit on Thursday.
Nabokov, who played with the San Jose Sharks for parts of 10 seasons, had spent this season with SKA St. Petersburg of the Russian KHL and hadn't yet played for Detroit.
The NHL's collective bargaining agreement states that anyone who plays in a professional league before signing an NHL contract must clear waivers.
Once he signed his one-year deal with the Red Wings, he became available to the Islanders.
New York owns Nabokov's rights and could keep him out of the NHL for all of next season should Nabokov not report.
Nabokov has been disappointed that he won't be joining the Stanley Cup-contending Red Wings. Instead he is now under contract with the Islanders, who are far out of the Eastern Conference playoff race.
Here is the link to the article: http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nhl/news/story?id=6062772
It doesn't matter who Nabby signed with. He had played overseas, so he had to clear waivers before he could play again in the NHL, regardless of who he signed with. I think it's a stupid rule in that case, but rules are rules, and by signing on the dotted line, Nabokov knew what he was doing.
And that is where the Yashin precedent comes in to play, since NYI will be able to claim that they are owed whatever the contract stipulates, and that is 1 year of NHL play. |
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ToXXiK1
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 02/03/2011 : 03:20:58
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Originally posted by nuxfan
Toxxik - he did sign a contract with DET, for 450K (prorated that works out to 250K). Contracts follow players - when he went on waivers his contract went with him, and when you pickup a player on wiavers you assume their contract as well.
I stand corrected, thanks for setting me straight. I thought it was in principle with Detroit until after he cleared waivers, my bad.
"Hockey is a man's game. The team with the most real men wins.” - Brian Burke |
Edited by - ToXXiK1 on 02/03/2011 03:44:15 |
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irvine
PickupHockey Veteran
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Posted - 02/03/2011 : 03:28:31
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Should Nabakov have been suspended by the Islanders?
Simple answer... YES!
Why the Islanders tried picking up off Waivers is beyond me to begin with, since their season is likely going no where.
But, for a player to come back to the NHL, after leaving based solely on money, you play for the team that gets you.
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Guest4558
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Posted - 02/03/2011 : 10:52:52
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Of course he should have been suspended. Snow is only oding what is right for his organization. He picked up an asset. I think the truly funny thing is that the contract he signed, I read 575K for the rest of the year, could very well be his salary for the entire next season. He should just play it out. I can't imagine what is going through his head.
I suppose if he doesn't report and the Isles have him next season, he woild be a nice piece of tradebait at that salary. |
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Posted - 02/04/2011 : 04:51:29
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I am utterly shocked that at this point, Nabakov has not reported to the Islanders. His agent should have been able to make it clear to him that he may not be playing anywhere if he keeps this up!
Swallow your inflated pride, Nabby, play a month or two with the Islanders, then sign with whoever you want next season . . .
. . . that is, if anyone will want you, after you play for the Islanders, who make every goalie look so great. 
"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug |
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Guest1747
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Posted - 02/04/2011 : 06:33:34
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I don't care if its pro sports talk for "I'm a baby pink elephant" and I don't care if he was told to say it by the Queen of England. My point was you've called him whiny and then said he keeps complaining, but there is zero evidence of him saying anything that can be construed as complaining whatsoever. So my point was that your claims were baseless.
I never said that the rules shouldn't apply to Nabokov. I said he was well within his rights to decide not to report to the Islanders, that I agree with his decision, and that there is no reason to deride him for making that decision.
You said that players that go through the waiver wire should be grateful just for the chance to play in the NHL again. I agree that most players that are subject to the waiver probably should be grateful, but I made the point that most players that go through waivers aren't the same caliber of player that Nabokov is. The kind of player that should be grateful just for the chance to play in the NHL, regardless of the circumstances or terms, is a marginal NHL player, ie, someone who, based on their talents, is lucky to be in the NHL at all, and are lucky that any team actually wants to take a chance on them. That doesn't apply to Nabokov, who, according to you, had half of the teams in the NHL put in claims when he hit waivers.
Now, I realized that players that had once been good but had now advanced in age to the point that they became marginal NHL players could also be prone to being put on waivers, which is what I was alluding to when I said "Nabokov is not a 50 year old Chris Chelios". The players you listed have something in common: all of them (with the exception of Gerber, who doesn't belong on the list, won a stanley cup as a back up, and has spent most of his career in the minors) are players whose best play was several years behind them and most of them were under contracts where they were being significantly overpaid due to their previous play. So if Miroslav Satan, who is 8 years removed from any all star game and just finished a campaign with the Bruins in which he netted 14 points on the season, was put on waivers and was claimed by the Islanders, and he said "I only want to play for team x", I would say, Satan, you should be grateful that any team in the NHL wants you because at this point in your career you are a marginal player and if you want to play in the NHL at this point you can't do so according to your own terms anymore. But Nabokov doesn't have to be grateful for the opportunity to play in the NHL. He was putting up elite goalie numbers last season. He belongs in the NHL, and when players of his caliber exercise their right not to play in our league, to play in other leagues instead, it is to the detriment of the NHL. Which is why I feel cheated as a fan when players like Nabokov or Radulov, who belong in the NHL, go over to the KHL.
So Nabokov came back to the NHL with the intent to play for a contender. Just like Hossa, when he went to Pittsburgh, and then Detriot, and then Chicago. Or Ray Bourque, when he said so long Boston, I want to win a cup before I retire. The only difference is Nabokov was at the mercy of the waiver wire, and had the audacity to believe that teams would respect his wishes to play for something resembling a contending team, and that no one would pick up an elite goaltender at an entry level salary.
To summarize my position: I believe that Nabokov, at this point in his career, has every right to want to play for a contending team. I believe he went about doing so in a naive way. I believe that the Islanders had every right to claim Nabokov, but they must have known he would have reservations about playing there. I believe it makes no sense for Nabokov to play for the Islanders, and I support his decision not to report to the team. I don't consider him not reporting to the Islanders proof that he thinks he is above the rules or anything like that, just that he was put in a position that he never agreed to be in, and in fact stated that he was looking for the exact opposite. And I believe that if the Islanders hold him to this contract next year, he will be playing in the KHL next year. And I believe that is not in the best interests of the NHL.
Haha really... doesn't everyone want to play for a contending team? you make terrible points |
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nuxfan
PickupHockey All-Star
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Posted - 02/04/2011 : 08:24:02
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Swallow your inflated pride, Nabby, play a month or two with the Islanders, then sign with whoever you want next season . . .
The problem with that method though, its more difficult to pick a winner in the summer. |
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JonPolley
Top Prospect
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Posted - 02/05/2011 : 21:01:04
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| screw that noise, there is no justification that will confince me that he has "earned" to sign with someone else. He left, simple as that. You can't just come back from another league and demand to be put on a team that you like. You go through the process same as everyone else.. so Nabby.. suck it up princess. Be a man and pay your dues again and then go where you want. The Isles could really use you right now.. that should count for something. Play the rest of the season, give the team a respectable end to the season, play your guts out and prove to the next team that you want to go to that your aren't the whiny baby that you are being right now. |
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Guest4843
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Posted - 02/06/2011 : 10:37:31
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| in my opinion, if a guy decides to return to the NHL and no one has rights to him, he should be able to make a deal with any team he wants |
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Utemin
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 02/06/2011 : 17:37:19
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Originally posted by Guest4843
in my opinion, if a guy decides to return to the NHL and no one has rights to him, he should be able to make a deal with any team he wants
His agent was dumb and said he would report to anyteam that signed him, probably because Nabby's words got misunderstood by his agent. Nabby is the best but not even I can make an Argument.
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Guest4278
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Posted - 02/06/2011 : 17:58:15
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Originally posted by Guest4843
in my opinion, if a guy decides to return to the NHL and no one has rights to him, he should be able to make a deal with any team he wants
Of course he can make a deal wih any team he wants. He did with the Wings. Unfortunate for him he decided to play in the KHL prior to dealing with the Wings so.... The Isle picked him up on waivers (oh yeah that thing).
It didn't matter who he dealt with, by playing in the KHL, the Isles were able to pick him up on waivers. Notice that no team and not even the Players Union is even backing him up on this. Point finale. |
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