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chef
Top Prospect
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 Posted - 02/05/2011 : 19:10:08
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I know the Habs are gunning for a big top 6 forward. rumor has it,it could be Jason Arnott. that would be a good addition.
Habs for the Cup
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The Duke
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
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Posted - 02/06/2011 : 08:32:11
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Habs certainly need some size to their team. They are just too small to compete with Philly`s size ( last seasons playoffs ) and haven`t in any way tried to fix this problem, terrible job by their GM. ( boston`s size would give them fits also )
They had their chance to fill this problem with Halak and blew it, instead their GM brought in another softie, which they have enough of already.
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Alex116
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Posted - 02/06/2011 : 09:41:53
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Originally posted by The Duke
Habs certainly need some size to their team. They are just too small to compete with Philly`s size ( last seasons playoffs ) and haven`t in any way tried to fix this problem, terrible job by their GM. ( boston`s size would give them fits also )
They had their chance to fill this problem with Halak and blew it, instead their GM brought in another softie, which they have enough of already.
Duke, your post seems to imply that Gainey / Gauthier have totally sh*t the bed? This is a team that made the playoffs last year, and is in postition to do so again. And while you can blame size on their playoff loss to Philly, it certainly didn't stop them from beating two of the best teams in the east last year in Pittsburgh and Washington? Sure, they could use some size, but to claim that they "blew it" by trading Halak for a "softie" is a joke.
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Porkchop73
PickupHockey Pro
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Posted - 02/06/2011 : 12:07:54
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Habs could use a another Dman. Not so sure they need to add to the forwards but if they get something it would only help.
Hot stove last night said Habs are very interested in Kaberle or Beauchemin. I think Beauchemin may thrive if he heads back to the Belle Province. The native Quebecers almost always play better when they play for the Habs. |
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Guest0200
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Posted - 02/06/2011 : 13:35:50
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I think they made a good choice keeping Price, I agree they need more size. Yes ,they beat the Caps and the Pens and as they went on ,they were shut down by a very physical Philly team . They definitely need to pick up some size.
As for the defense I think they will be alright. They have played pretty much all season without Markov , and lost Gorges quarter way through the season. They are not hurting defensively.
Jason Arnott or Dustin Penner would be a nice fit. what do you think. |
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Pasty7
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
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Posted - 02/06/2011 : 15:10:21
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Originally posted by The Duke
Habs certainly need some size to their team. They are just too small to compete with Philly`s size ( last seasons playoffs ) and haven`t in any way tried to fix this problem, terrible job by their GM. ( boston`s size would give them fits also )
They had their chance to fill this problem with Halak and blew it, instead their GM brought in another softie, which they have enough of already.
Have you ever seen Eller play duke? this guys has all the skill speed a top six forward requires, he is 6ft 2 198lbs and when he goes into te corner he battles hard and comes out with the puck the only thing Eller is not getting is the stats, any player with all the tools Eller has and the amount of effort he puts on the ice is going to be something special in the NHL. Eller is going to Develop into and bigger tougher Tomas Plekanec,, to say he is soft is complete ignorance to his style of play, oh and he is 21 he is a blue chip prospect Duke and one who is developping well.. Martin has him working hard on his defensive game and he is creating chances in the offensive zone every game,, this kid is a winner.. and the habs got fair value back in that trade, Any team in the NHL would be happy to add Eller to their roster!
"I led the league in "Go get 'em next time." - Bob Uecker
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Pasty7
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
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Posted - 02/06/2011 : 15:14:17
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Originally posted by Porkchop73
Habs could use a another Dman. Not so sure they need to add to the forwards but if they get something it would only help.
Hot stove last night said Habs are very interested in Kaberle or Beauchemin. I think Beauchemin may thrive if he heads back to the Belle Province. The native Quebecers almost always play better when they play for the Habs.
i think the only way they want to add another top six forward is to replace Andrei Kostitsyn because he is inconsistent and un reliable... but i don't think it will be possible they are going to have to trade his rights in the off season,, so yeah i think you are right they want to focus on a d man and more likely than Philips and Kaberle would be Beauchemin because pretty muc their entire defensive corps is UFA next season so i think they would prefer to add a player that is under contract next year
"I led the league in "Go get 'em next time." - Bob Uecker
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The Duke
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
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Posted - 02/06/2011 : 18:35:34
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Pasty i didn`t mean that there isn`t a role for a player like Eller on a hockey team. ( no i haven`t seen him play, hardly at all ) Montreal has a s**t load of Eller`s who are skilled, they need the opposite of these small skilled forwards ( not saying eller is small ) but their team certainly is.
Alex, Halak beat Washington last season, i watched the whole series......Montreal as a team beat Pittsburg, they played hockey with them.
As a GM you don`t have many chances to trade many impact players like Halak.....when you do you have to address your teams immediate needs....they needed a R.Clowe, M.Lucic type player an AWFUL lot more than eller....
if you disagree with this statement than you should watch Montreal in the playoffs again this year when either the Flyers or Bruins plaster them all night long into the boards, with NO SUPPORT for their skilled players.
M.Lappeirre had some guts, now he is gone. This is one BIG down-fall with J.Martin as head coach ( toughness, he thinks he doesn`t need it ) failed with this moto in Ottawa....still doing it in Montreal.
Going to be interesting to see how Price handles all the playoff traffic in front of the net too....he seems to lose his cool with constant heavy traffic at times....Halak handled it beautifully last post - season, never got rattled at all.
Price has done a couple of stupid things in the past when being rattled.....like hitting the dressing room wall and bruising his hand after a bad game.......he better put this behavior ( and his temper ) behind him come playoff time.....diffrent world my friend. |
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Pasty7
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
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Posted - 02/06/2011 : 19:30:16
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how many times has Boston Plastered montreal this season,, i would love to see Montreal play Boston in the playoffs the habs match up well against the Bruins slow defense, as for the flyers you are right the habs need size to take them on, so does most teams in the NHL the Flyers are not just big they have some of the best young talent in the game aswell, Duke what could the habs have gotten for Halak better than a 6 ft 2 198lbs 21 year old center who led his team in points in the AHL the previous year? Noone was going to give the habs a Milan Lucic for a goalie who albeit was amazing but over a very short period of time.... sure the habs have to get big,, so what they should trade for Iginla Doan and Lecavalier , Richards too,,, not going to happen,, or they can sign big bodies who can't keep up with the game and sure they would be as big as the flyers but big guys like Jeff Carter would just skate circles around them.,.. Big talented players are not available because tghey are so valued noone wants to get rid of them so what do you do,, you trade for potential which Eller has in spades and he is big and he uses his size extremly well.. Eller has all the tools and the mindset to be a Kesler type player,,, he is not small and he is not weak he is the best the habs could ahve doen for Halak hence why they made the trade
"I led the league in "Go get 'em next time." - Bob Uecker
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MrBoogedy
Rookie
Canada
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Posted - 02/06/2011 : 21:40:59
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I could certainly see Beauchemin returning to Montreal, i hated it way back when they lost him to Nashville in the expansion draft. He's got the size that the habs need, though from what i hear Phillips is the most likely possibility, since he wants to play in Montreal because it is close to home.
And I would so love to watch a Montreal / Boston playoff series again... aside from the fact that no two teams have met in the post season as often as these two... aside from the fact that Montreal has beaten Boston more than any team has beaten any other team.... aside from the fact that this has been happening for decades upon decades (except the 80's) and continues to happen just makes me giggle. Some of the best games I've seen this year have been Montreal and Boston.
Back to topic, I also think the habs should dump Kostitsyn, although I can't see them getting too much back for him. |
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n/a
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Posted - 02/07/2011 : 10:23:24
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Have you Habs fans heard anything about what Montreal would send to Toronto for Beauchemin? Who else are they offering for Arnott, Penner, etc . . . no trade is going to happen with any of these players unless the other teams gets someone of some decent worth.
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Pasty7
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
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Posted - 02/07/2011 : 12:24:33
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Originally posted by slozo
Have you Habs fans heard anything about what Montreal would send to Toronto for Beauchemin? Who else are they offering for Arnott, Penner, etc . . . no trade is going to happen with any of these players unless the other teams gets someone of some decent worth.
"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug
I know forsure that Yannick Weaber is on the tradeing block, now his value isn't huge but he does have the potential to be a Kaberle type defenseman,,, he is young with some NHL expirence, but he is not really a Burke type player,,, Mathieu Carle has been been a top d man in the AHL for a few years now he is a good first passer and very solid in his own zone, David Deharnais would be a good asset the guy has lead the AHL in points the last two seasons he is up with the big club now but he is not getting top 6 minutes in montreal and he neveer will the habs are small enough and he is even smaller but on the right team he could be a great young point getter..... so maybe,,,,, Deharnais and Carle and a 3rd rounder for Beachemin?
"I led the league in "Go get 'em next time." - Bob Uecker
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MrBoogedy
Rookie
Canada
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Posted - 02/07/2011 : 20:44:50
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| I can't see Montreal parting with Desharnais simply because he is french-canadian, and they have less french-canadian players now than i can ever remember them having. So for that reason alone, as long as he puts up moderate numbers, i think he will be there for the forseeable future. Pyatt could be dumped though. |
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chef
Top Prospect
Canada
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Posted - 02/07/2011 : 21:49:04
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Pyatt along with Kostitsyn !!
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n/a
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Posted - 02/08/2011 : 04:37:31
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Riiiiight . . . so it is as I thought: the trade won't happen.
Not for any of those players you have mentioned.
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T-RAV
Top Prospect
Canada
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Posted - 02/08/2011 : 04:51:22
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I was not aware that Montreal got Eller for Halak. If everything I've heard/read about this guy is true, then I would say the Habs got the win in this trade.
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Guest8346
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Posted - 02/08/2011 : 05:18:19
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Riiiiight . . . so it is as I thought: the trade won't happen.
Not for any of those players you have mentioned.
"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug
LOL Why??? Because Beauchemin is worth so much more?? He's shat the bed for you guys ever since coming into Toronto |
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Pasty7
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
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Posted - 02/08/2011 : 06:32:46
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Originally posted by slozo
Have you Habs fans heard anything about what Montreal would send to Toronto for Beauchemin? Who else are they offering for Arnott, Penner, etc . . . no trade is going to happen with any of these players unless the other teams gets someone of some decent worth.
"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug
so a d man who has 128 points in 381 games and is a creer minus 21 at 30 yrs old is worth more than a 24 year old forward who has lead the AHL in points 2 years straight, a decent defense prospect who has NHL potential and upside,,, and a 3rd round pick? LOL just what do you think you can get for Beauchemin,,,, that offer is more than fair and Beauchemin isn't going to fetch more than that!
oh and Beachemin's stats have only declined since his best season of 36 points over 5 years ago! lol keep him if you want more than that for him
"I led the league in "Go get 'em next time." - Bob Uecker
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Odin
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 02/08/2011 : 12:01:51
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Originally posted by Pasty7
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Originally posted by The Duke
Habs certainly need some size to their team. They are just too small to compete with Philly`s size ( last seasons playoffs ) and haven`t in any way tried to fix this problem, terrible job by their GM. ( boston`s size would give them fits also )
They had their chance to fill this problem with Halak and blew it, instead their GM brought in another softie, which they have enough of already.
Have you ever seen Eller play duke? this guys has all the skill speed a top six forward requires, he is 6ft 2 198lbs and when he goes into te corner he battles hard and comes out with the puck the only thing Eller is not getting is the stats, any player with all the tools Eller has and the amount of effort he puts on the ice is going to be something special in the NHL. Eller is going to Develop into and bigger tougher Tomas Plekanec,, to say he is soft is complete ignorance to his style of play, oh and he is 21 he is a blue chip prospect Duke and one who is developping well.. Martin has him working hard on his defensive game and he is creating chances in the offensive zone every game,, this kid is a winner.. and the habs got fair value back in that trade, Any team in the NHL would be happy to add Eller to their roster!
"I led the league in "Go get 'em next time." - Bob Uecker
Not only that, he has actually excelled at the defensive part, that is the stronger part of his game right now. For somebody who is supposed to have a ton of offensive upside, that is a REALLY good base. And we haven't even seen the other prospect yet. As for them needing another d-man, I couldn't disagree more. Their denfese is absolutely solid and deep, even with the loss of Markov and Georges. And they have a few more propects in the wings.
No, what their biggest problem is is scoring by a long shot. The balance has evaporated a little, so they definitely need more goal scoring. The pleasant part of all this however, is that they continue to find ways to win. |
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Posted - 02/08/2011 : 16:37:28
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I think you Toronto fans are in the wrong forum , [ mod edit ] !!!
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Porkchop73
PickupHockey Pro
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Posted - 02/09/2011 : 14:13:40
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Originally posted by Pasty7
[so maybe,,,,, Deharnais and Carle and a 3rd rounder for Beachemin?
Well Pasty, I don't think you were far off from your valuation of Beauchemin. Anaheim gave up almost the same value, perhaps a little bit more because of Lupol.
I would think that with Beauchemin out of the picture Montreal may target Phillips or McCabe as I believe, like most, that a dman is what the Habs could use above all else.
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ToXXiK1
PickupHockey Pro
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Posted - 02/09/2011 : 19:18:32
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| Habs need some toughness, manhandled in last years playoffs and totally dominated last night by the Bruins. They're going to need some grit and stones if they wish to go anywhere. |
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freddyboy
Rookie
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Posted - 02/09/2011 : 19:48:32
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Originally posted by ToXXiK1
Habs need some toughness, manhandled in last years playoffs and totally dominated last night by the Bruins. They're going to need some grit and stones if they wish to go anywhere.
i agree but it was hell of a good hockey game!!!
pouliot had a great punch and well i think we all enjoyed the game! no matter the result!
joe is a god, if u dont agree....i dont care |
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Alex116
PickupHockey Legend
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Posted - 02/09/2011 : 22:20:08
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Originally posted by ToXXiK1
Habs need some toughness, manhandled in last years playoffs and totally dominated last night by the Bruins. They're going to need some grit and stones if they wish to go anywhere.
"Totally dominated"??? That's not the same take that Pasty posted in another thread? I only saw some highlites and sure they lost a couple scraps, but they won some too? If you're talking the score or the game in general, i'd say 8-6 is a toss up, not domination, not to mention it's the first win in 6 for Boston over Montrteal? |
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Pasty7
PickupHockey Veteran
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Posted - 02/09/2011 : 22:28:10
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Originally posted by ToXXiK1
Habs need some toughness, manhandled in last years playoffs and totally dominated last night by the Bruins. They're going to need some grit and stones if they wish to go anywhere.
huh dominated? maybe in the fight department but the game was back a forth mostly toxic,, and the habs are 3-1 againstl the bruins this season,,, leads me to say as i have always said the habs need to add size but the right size, big players are easy to find big players that skate and shoot like Milan Lucic is another story i'll take the habs snmall quality players before i add some big slow goon,,, their simply not very many big players available that could play on the habs tiop 3 lines due to speed,,, Maybe they should make a move for penner?
"I led the league in "Go get 'em next time." - Bob Uecker
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Pasty7
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Canada
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Posted - 02/09/2011 : 22:31:06
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i always find it funny when two posters post at almost the same time,, lol
"I led the league in "Go get 'em next time." - Bob Uecker
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ToXXiK1
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Posted - 02/10/2011 : 02:12:11
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| I was speaking in the fighting / physical dept., neither goalie could stop a beachball last night. And, I saw the whole game and Montreal held their own in maybe 2 out of the 20 fights. Krejci had 1 fight before last night, which he lost as well |
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Posted - 02/10/2011 : 12:31:31
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| What about Alex Henry? Big D man who can kick some butt. |
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