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Pasty7
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
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 Posted - 03/17/2011 : 14:00:13
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good news on the injury front for Pacioretty apparently he starts rehab on march 26th,, right now he basicly isn't allowed to move at all, and they say 3 to 5 weeks from now he can resum skating.. juast intime for the habs second round series vs. the Bruins
"I led the league in "Go get 'em next time." - Bob Uecker
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Guest0825
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Posted - 03/17/2011 : 14:31:45
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| Blame the coaches. They've drilled into every players head since they were young to "finish your hit" or else you wont get ice time. Thats why every player finishes their hit they don't want to be benched. |
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leigh
Moderator
Canada
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Posted - 03/17/2011 : 14:47:50
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Originally posted by tbar
....DID OR DIDN'T THE NHL SAY OV ONLY GOT SUSPENDED BECAUSE HIS "PENALTY CAUSED IN INJURY??????
If not then my argument holds no ground and its over! If so they got this one wrong!!
Easy there big fella. I don't recall the specifics - I believe it was a part of the assessment but wasn't the exclusive factor for their judgement.
But since you're the one drilling this point home why don't you go research the specific statement and bring it back to the discussion. |
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MrBoogedy
Rookie
Canada
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Posted - 03/18/2011 : 01:32:53
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I see they've added new padding to the stanchion in Montreal. Too bad no one thought of that a few weeks ago.
This is an interesting prelude to what looks like a very probable first round match-up between the habs and the bruins, not that they need more hoopla... sure to be a hell of a battle. |
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Beans15
Moderator
Canada
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Posted - 03/18/2011 : 10:03:38
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Tbar, I am not twisting anything. I am trying to clarify your opinion. I don't care what the NHL did or didn't do, say or didn't say. I want to know YOUR opinion.
MY opinion is that if you punish the outcome over the action you are giving approval reckless behavior as long as an injury does not occur. The injuries are based on the actions. When the actions are punished regardless and injury occurring or not, then true change will happen within hockey.
What is your opinion?? Not what the NHL has said. |
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Guest5052
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Posted - 03/18/2011 : 10:40:40
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I've never really understood why both the act and the consequences cant be taken into consideration. If you cross the line and no one gets hurt, then I agree the league ought to punish the wanton or reckless act. But if someone is hurt, the culprit should also pay for the consequences.
I'd want to be careful with that as really its the likeliness of injury that the league ough to look. More dangerous high risk illegal behaviour which does or does not result in injury ought to be treated more harshly.
But why not factor in the injury or consequence to determine the punishment.
food for thought. |
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fat_elvis_rocked
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 03/18/2011 : 10:41:28
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I agree Beans, with a slight addendum.
There has to be some consideration for the outcome.
I'll use checking from behind as an example. I would like to see something along the lines of an automatic major and attached minimum suspension that increases with any subsequent major for the individual, that sends the message that it's a reckless and dangerous play and isn't tolerated.
If the check from behind causes significant injury, I'd see nothing wrong with adding additional suspension time due to the outcome.
I think there has to some wiggle room for the severity as not all situations are going to be the same.
For example in recent games, Langenbrunner's hit from behind was not done with nearly the intent of GIllies run at Clutterbuck. Had Langenbrunner got an automatic 5, game misconduct and the 1st time 1 game suspension, the message is sent. If he does it again 3 game, then 5 game, so on and so on.
Gillie's suspension was done correctly, reviewed deemed dangerous, intent to injure, etc.
The league needs to start with the 'soft' suspensions first, then the players view of pushing those limits may begin to change, because as it is right now, they seem to play at that edge all the time, again, the players being their own worst enemies, while wanting change.
The league needs to solidify the 'gray' areas they seem to have trouble enforcing as of late. If it's a penalty call it as such at some level regardless of outcome, but if the outcome is bad, deal with it accordingly through the review process, just begin consistency and take away the players' ability to skirt the lines of right and wrong.
As you mentioned earlier they have the structure in place, minor, major, misconduct, etc. they just need to start finding the chutzpah to start enforcing their own rules consistently regardless of player.
And as a quick aside, have any of the rinks changed their stanchions that anyone knows of as of yet? Other than adding some extra padding? That seems to be, to me anyways, an indicator of how serious the league is about change. |
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Beans15
Moderator
Canada
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Posted - 03/18/2011 : 12:03:17
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Absolutely agree guys. Although I did not include the point in my thread, the idea is that the act is what the orginal suspension is based on and the outcome will impact the depth of the suspension.
For example, I think the NHL could and should institute an automatic 2 game suspension for any hit where the initial and main point of contact is the head. Front, side, back, doesn't matter. If the head is hit, suspension. Then, depending on the severity of the hit, the injury (if one occured) the history of the player and everything else the suspension would be much higher.
Sure, people would complain about the size of player and what ever else and there would mostly likely be a few minor and insignificant situations where a player maybe didn't deserve the suspension. However, the overall outcome of a program like that is a the kind of thing that will make players think about how they are delivering hits.
If the players won't respect themselves then someone has to force that respect. |
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Guest0408
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Posted - 03/18/2011 : 12:13:43
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| Chara is no dummy, and in the end the only person that will know if Chara did it on purpose is Chara. But with the replays and the last minute picture while Pacc was hitting the barrier, to me, it looks like he know exactly what he was doing with he glove in pacc's face and looking right at the barrier. I just think that he didn't want to hurt him as bad as he did. but as usual The crappy a$$ Bettman will do nothing . |
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Posted - 03/19/2011 : 07:33:25
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100 percent agreement from me, Fat Elvis.
Nothing more to add, other than that the next day after the Pacioretty hit, and I am guessing it was Burke himself who pressured/made it happen - new, heavy padding was put up at the ACC (Toronto's rink). Did not see it, but listening on radio, several people mentioned it.
"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug |
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Beans15
Moderator
Canada
8286 Posts |
Posted - 03/19/2011 : 16:01:21
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I was at Rexall on Thursday for the game and noticed there is not stanchion between the benches. There is a gap there and there is some glass that kind of comes from the back of the bench towards the ice surface but it stops about 18" before the edge of the boards.
There was also some very heavy pads and the two turnbuckles and the end of each bench before it goes back to glass. Not sure how thick they were before, but those appeared to be big enough to drive a truck into. |
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Guest4271
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Posted - 03/21/2011 : 03:10:07
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| BLAA, BLLAA, BBLLAA, tired of hearing the crap, no suspension has every been laid due to running someone into the stantion/ turn buckle, its in play, now get over it.............plain Jane hits to the head and better helmets to protect would be better for everyone, wonder if Crosby is helping Reebok with new helmet???????$$$$$$$$$$ |
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Pasty7
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
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Posted - 03/21/2011 : 04:54:26
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quote:
Originally posted by Beans15
I was at Rexall on Thursday for the game and noticed there is not stanchion between the benches. There is a gap there and there is some glass that kind of comes from the back of the bench towards the ice surface but it stops about 18" before the edge of the boards.
There was also some very heavy pads and the two turnbuckles and the end of each bench before it goes back to glass. Not sure how thick they were before, but those appeared to be big enough to drive a truck into.
They were saying Montreal Boston and a few other rinks are the only one with the 4 "danger zones" and most rinks just have 2.....
"I led the league in "Go get 'em next time." - Bob Uecker
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freddyboy
Rookie
Canada
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Alex116
PickupHockey Legend
6113 Posts |
Posted - 04/07/2011 : 11:49:22
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freddyboy....nice find, and a very interesting read indeed!
Wonder if Recchi "buys it"???  |
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freddyboy
Rookie
Canada
218 Posts |
Posted - 04/07/2011 : 15:35:25
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Originally posted by Alex116
freddyboy....nice find, and a very interesting read indeed!
Wonder if Recchi "buys it"???
yea i wonder that also, i was thinking do i post it here or on Recchi's tread haha
joe is a god, if u dont agree....i dont care |
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Pasty7
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
2312 Posts |
Posted - 04/07/2011 : 21:34:32
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Originally posted by Alex116
freddyboy....nice find, and a very interesting read indeed!
Wonder if Recchi "buys it"???
Alex don't you mean Dr. Recchi.....
"I led the league in "Go get 'em next time." - Bob Uecker
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Alex116
PickupHockey Legend
6113 Posts |
Posted - 04/07/2011 : 22:44:51
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| Lol, that's the one! |
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spetz101
Top Prospect
Canada
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Posted - 04/11/2011 : 17:14:52
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| It was an accident. Do you honestly think if this happened in Atlanta, they would have made that big of a deal? NO !! It's Montreal folks, one of, if not the biggest hockey cities in the world! It's funny that they talked about a possible career ending incident, but yet he is already practicing, and maybe ready for the playoffs. More whinning in Montreal, that's all !! |
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Chara "headshot" to Paciorretty.... 
