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Guest4623
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 Posted - 03/12/2011 : 07:55:16
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Ok this is really making me Sick..Gary Bettman signing a five-year contract extension as NHL commissioner.. Are you freaking kidding me Get Rid of this Piece of garbage already he is a Brutall Commis.. Worst Ever..
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Beans15
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Posted - 03/12/2011 : 08:28:40
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Like it nor not, money talks. The Fans do not run the NHL, businessmen do. As long as Bettman keeps putting money in their pocket every year with higher franchise values and higher ticket sales than he stays.
The NHL has been talking about a US TV deal and there appears to be interest from NBC/Versus, ABC/ESPN, as well as Fox(hope they don't bring that puck back) and Time Warner. There seems to be more interest for a US hockey deal today than any other time in the past.
With the potential for an NFL work stoppage as well as NBA basketball losing serious market share the NHL is becoming the more likely option to fill the gap.
As I said, it's all about money. You, me, and all the other fans don't matter as long as we keep holding our wallets open for the NHL. |
Edited by - Beans15 on 03/12/2011 08:30:11 |
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Mario 66
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 03/12/2011 : 09:12:20
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Amen. Beans could not have been said better; It sucks but its the truth.
In youth we learn; in age we understand |
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sahis34
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Posted - 03/12/2011 : 11:43:54
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It's true that the NHL should do good next year moneywise, but I'm guessing teams like PHX and FLA still aren't gunna lose s***loads.
Go OILERS Go!!! |
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sahis34
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 03/12/2011 : 11:44:35
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TheRC
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Posted - 03/12/2011 : 11:59:09
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Despite being personally objectionable, and the lengths to which he has gone to keep teams in markets that just don't make sense, Bettman hasn't done an awful job so far. NHL hockey is faster, more skillful, and just plain more fun to watch than it was a decade ago. This new sense of parity is amazing too; with a dozen or so games left in the season only a handful of teams can be counted out of the playoffs. Compare that to the way it used to be, or to the other major North American team sports, and the NHL looks like it's in pretty good shape.
It pains me to say this, because I really don't like his attitude, but Bettman has done alright. As a team owner I'd have extended his contract too.
"If at first you don't succeed, you fail" |
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doublechamp7
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 03/12/2011 : 12:52:35
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I really hate Bettman, just because of the Winnipeg situation. He quickly moves the Jets away and know he says "We don't want any teams to have to move." But the NHL has good finances I think, so he must be doing something right. Also the fact that he just seems like a slimy little bugger that you just can't seem to like is another reason I don't like him.
Bring back the Jets! |
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Awesome One
PickupHockey Pro
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Posted - 03/12/2011 : 14:24:20
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Goodbye Winnipeg,
goodbye Quebec,
goodbye Olympics,
goodbye logic,
goodbye all hope over the next 5 years!
There was once a license plate in Toronto that abbreviated "Go Leafs" it read "Golfs". |
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Guest7742
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Posted - 03/12/2011 : 14:52:37
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conspiracy theory: theNHL gives no suspension to zdeno chara and perfectly tines the 5 yr extension to bettman... whole thing flys under the radar while fans are pissed about the nasty hit. how else do you explain this extension happening in nov of 2010 and us not hearing a word until the middle of march ?
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Beans15
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Posted - 03/12/2011 : 18:37:36
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Goodbye Winnipeg and goodbye Quebec?? I don't think it is Bettman's fault that no local ownership stepped up to buy the teams in those two cities. Furthermore, where is the thanks Bettman from Calgary and Edmonton who both would have been gone in the mid-90's without the NHL support lead by Bettman.
Do your homework and put the blame where it belongs. Not saying Bettman has done everything right but let's not hang him for things he was not responsible for. |
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Guest0119
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Posted - 03/13/2011 : 07:46:09
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@Beans
Yeah it's not is fault that nobody helped quebec in that time,what the guy was trying to say is goodbye quebec now..Since there's a huge new arena being built in quebec WITH major support from investors and s*** there should be no reason for a s***ty market to move,but with gary"head in my ass"bettman this isn't going to happen |
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Beans15
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Posted - 03/13/2011 : 08:12:38
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Originally posted by Guest0119
@Beans
Yeah it's not is fault that nobody helped quebec in that time,what the guy was trying to say is goodbye quebec now..Since there's a huge new arena being built in quebec WITH major support from investors and s*** there should be no reason for a s***ty market to move,but with gary"head in my ass"bettman this isn't going to happen
Again, point the finger to the proper place. Bettman does not have they authority involving teams. That means things like relocation, expansion, removal or dissolving a team, and all ownership is 100% in control of the BOG. At the time of Quebec and Winnipeg leaving it was NOT Bettman allowing it to happen. It was the BOG. When PHX fell and needed to be propped up it was not Bettman making the call it was the BOG.
Even if Bettman agreed with the decisions that were ultimately made, it was not his decision. Why is that so hard to understand?? Is it that people need to see an individual hanging from a noose?? Is it because people can't comprehend that it's the same people(the owners) providing them with the game they love at the same time as making decisions to take those teams to other cities???
I simply don't get it. Either people are completely misinformed or simply too ignorant to look at the truth.
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Guest5052
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Posted - 03/13/2011 : 11:14:09
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Well now thats not exactly true... and certainly not so patently obvious as to espouse it as The truth and call others who's opinions differ ignorant or misinformed.
Gary Bettman is the commissioner of the BOG, and its agreed that he needs their approval to engage in any major decisions on behalf of the NHL. But he would also be very responsible for making recommendations and persuading/leading the board of governors on certain key issues. He would not be silent, awaiting their decisions.
Technically I file my own taxes, but the practical reality is that my accountant tells me what to file.
This is not to say that he has or hasnt done a good or bad job, just that he does bear some responsibility for the state of the NHL. |
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Odin
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Posted - 03/13/2011 : 14:02:39
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Because you are seeing it in black and white instead of the shades of grey that it deserves Beans.
As the commish, Bettman certainly has the means to 'suggest' things and influence the outcome. To me, that's blatantly obvious. |
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Beans15
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Posted - 03/13/2011 : 14:08:31
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Odin, you are 100% correct. However, I think it is a completely dilusional thought to believe that Gary Bettman has enough sway over the wallets of 30 multi-millionaires and in some cases Billionaires to influence the outcome to that degree. Ultimately, the BOG must often agree with Bettman, hence his 5 yr extension.
It might be his idea, but it is supported and backed by the owners. That makes them equally if not more so responsible than Bettman. That is and has always been my only point. People continuously blame Gary Bettman individually for everything that is wrong with the NHL or anything they do agree with. He is one part of a large group and in the end he does not have a say in the specifics of owners and teams.
I am far from black and white, but I have my eyes wide open and see the NHL for what it is, the owners as a group with Bettman as thier figure head. If you don't see that, then it is a very ignorant view. That's not a personal slight, that is a clear indication that some continue to not see reality for what it is. |
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Guest4915
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Posted - 03/13/2011 : 17:03:27
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First of all telling people they have an ignorant view can certainly and reasonably be contrued as a personal slight.
Second, calling Gary Bettman a figure head is very subjective and misleading in my opinion. I think he does have significant influence in the direction and operation of the NHL.
Surely you would agree that we can have good or bad prime ministers, yet they cannot act unilaterally (for all intents and purposes) to govern the nation.
We might agree that blaming Bettman alone is not the whole picture, but as you say he is at least partly responsible for the state of the NHL (whether good or bad) and therefore surely people are entitled to assess whether they believe he has done a good job or not.
Of course people are entitled to dislike his demeanour in his public addressses , but I suspect that you might not disagree with that aspect of the thread.
Finally, the idea of the commissioner as the voice of the NHL (or any similar org) means he gets well paid to suffer the slings and arrows of public opinion. By criticising Bettman people are indirectly criticising the BOG.
Those are my points |
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FutureKesler
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Posted - 03/13/2011 : 18:00:34
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Even if Bettman wasn't signed, who would take his place?
Lemieux? That would be awesome
Stasny? (Pauls dad, who commented on Avs earlier trades)
Gretzky? f*** no
Bure? Hahahahahaha
Kesler is the TRUE Nucks Captain. |
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Beans15
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Posted - 03/13/2011 : 20:03:00
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Guest, your point is exactly what I am trying to make. The ignorant view is the one that believes that Gary Bettman makes every call in the NHL and it's all his fault that Winnipeg left and Quebec left. That is not a personal slight, it is as factual as it gets. He has a say in it, no doubt. But that finger has to be pointed in 30 other directions as well as Bettman.
I simply do not buy this 'significant influence' piece. We are talking about 30 multi-millionaries and billionaires. Why would they listen solely to Bettman?? If it was not a good decision they would disagree. I don't buy that the BOG is a meeting of 30 people waiting for GB to tell them what to do. Others seem to believe that. |
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Posted - 03/14/2011 : 05:06:39
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Actually Beans, I would say the ignorant view is defending anything and everything that comes down from NHL management and saying that Bettman only has one vote, same as everyone else, or pointing out that he only does their bidding.
It would be ignorant to think this, because looking at reality, this has clearly not been the case.
To take that point of view, you would have to ignore the multitude of ignorant things that Bettman has championed in the NHL, starting with the americanisation of hockey, the Phoenix/Nashville/Atlanta etc etc money losing in non-hockey market debacles, the stubborn prevention of any other Canadian teams coming back, the labour dispute, etc etc.
Thinking that even half of the billionaires have any huge interest in the day to day dcision making that Gary Bettman makes, is ludicrous. He actually has a pretty open mandate.
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Beans15
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Posted - 03/14/2011 : 07:46:38
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Slozo, you might want to research a little bit of the reason why Bettman was brought in back in 93. It was completely 100% to Americanize the game. That was not his agenda, that was the agenda of the BOG at the time and still appears to be seeing the significance of the current US TV deal negotiations.
Don't beleive me?? Here is an article from 93 that will discuss just this:
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F0CE7DB1339F931A35751C0A965958260
You are blaming Bettman for doing exactly what he was hired to do???
Are you saying that that Bettman walks into a BOG meeting and says, 'Listen up boys, this is exactly what we are going to do," and those 30 millionaires and billionaires sit there on the hands and say, "OK Gary, you are the boss??" That is what I am reading, but I want to make sure it is what you are saying.
Finally, you are saying that because Bettman has done a number of things that you or Joe Q Hockeyfan disagree's with than that must only mean Bettman made all the decisions?? Is it that difficult to comprehend that maybe the owners also want things this way????
That's can't be the case right?? Look at reality... Who's reality are you looking at because obviously there is more than one. The reality I see is that Bettman does have a level of sway and influence on the BOG. That is his job. Much like the CEO of a public company, it is that person's job to run the day to day operations and make recommendations to the Board. But the Board is the decision maker. If they agree with the CEO than they are equally responsible. That has been my point from the begining and people(and I will say with a level of ignorance) simply choose not to see that Bettman is just one of MANY people who make decisions. But he gets 100% of the blame. |
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JOSHUACANADA
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Posted - 03/26/2011 : 00:02:18
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I dont think he desreves 100% of the blame but probably the highest percentage of the blame of anyone else in the BOG meeting. The very reason he was hired is because he was the right guy to Americanize the NHL. Which means prior to being hired he was already swayed that way.
The fans were the reason Edmonton and Calgary have teams because without fan support these teams would have left there respected markets. Bettman only advocated on AB teams behalf due to fan backlash to losing canadian content for NHL teams.
He is honestly not the guy with the right hockey sense to mandate changes for the betterment of the game or to advocate for the removal of teams in obviously poor markets. What comes out of his mouth and the actions he takes are not driven soley by what the board of governers says.
Has he been at the helm during good times financially yes, but he was also at the helm during poor financial times as well. |
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Beans15
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Posted - 04/19/2011 : 20:13:08
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Can you guys believe this??? I mean really, the NHL just signed a $200 million a year US TV deal for 10 years!! What complete garbage. How can we stand for this any longer!!
Don't get me wrong, the NHL lags quite far behind the other mains sports in TV deals, but this is far more substantial than anything the NHL signed before.
Get rid of Bettman now!!!
http://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=362861 |
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Alex116
PickupHockey Legend
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Posted - 04/19/2011 : 20:24:36
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Lol @ Beans
Also heard on the radio that one network pays 200 million per year for the rights to broadcast the Lakers! NOT THE NBA, the LAKERS!
Crazy huh, the NHL def lags behind, but this deal is great for the league! |
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Guest6201
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Posted - 04/19/2011 : 20:48:07
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| The deal is for $2 billion, not $200 million... and its a great deal overall. |
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Alex116
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Posted - 04/19/2011 : 20:58:35
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Apparently the Lakers deal is 3 billion over 20 years which is approx 150 million per year! Crazy!  |
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