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Alex116
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 Posted - 04/25/2011 : 21:34:03
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All this goalie controversy in Vancouver and the talk of his lack of playoff success had me thinking. Is Luongo tradeable? I mean, if they did go with Schneider tomorrow night, which i doubt they will, and Luongo felt snubbed, which i assume he would, and the relationship between he and management soured (as well as his desire to be in Van), could the Canucks trade him? I know they wouldn't get much for him, but would another team take on the contract and his history? His cap hit is very manageable and his NTC isn't for the duration of the contract (from what i recall) but is there a team out there who'd take him (even if the return was minimal / virtually nothing)???
It's not unimaginable that the Canucks could decide to go forward with Schneider and spend their money elsewhere IF they could offload Luongo?
Totally hypothetical of course. For all we know, Luongo could stand on his head tomorrow night, steal the win and go on to record 12 straight shutouts to win the cup, the Conn Smythe, etc? Okay, that's even more hypothetical, i know. 
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Guest4918
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Posted - 04/25/2011 : 22:09:17
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| To answer the title: No. |
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Pasty7
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Posted - 04/25/2011 : 22:57:56
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why not somebody somwhere would be interested,, Colorado wants a franchise goalie and has the cap room,,, why not? like you said because of the cap hit the return will not be huge but it would still have to be something good hell he is a veizna cadidate this year,, it's not like scott gomez who socred 38pts this eyar in 80 games for 7.2 million,, Luongo's number match his contract,, and this would be a case of Vancouver doing exactly like the habs did last year,, tradeing older better and more expensive and keeping Younger, better pedigree, and better cap hit. it worked for the habs,, and when you think about it his cap hit is what 5.5 mil?? that is not much more than Halak's 4, if they lose and decide to part way with LUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU i could see them getting a Halak like Package... a potential top 6 forward (with a good shot at cracking the lineup the following year) and a ptential 3rd line energy player..
"I led the league in "Go get 'em next time." - Bob Uecker
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Pushrod
Top Prospect
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Posted - 04/25/2011 : 22:58:44
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I don't think he is untradeable. However, the Canucks would have to be really sold on Schneider or feeling huge pressure from the fans to do it, because I don't think they would just get nothing back, they would potentially have to take a bad contract back which would likely hurt them. Teams should be wary of the long contracts based on what has happened around the league, but I guess there's always someone willing to take a chance.
He has never fulfilled big game potential in the NHL yet, but in reality his cap hit isn't bad and he can still be successful for the Canucks going forward, which is why I didn't understand AV's move. It just was too risky a move to possibly hurt the long term relationship with someone who is so tied into the franchise. I wonder what management thought of the move....AV's job may depend in this series, so I understand it from his perspective but it may have created a long term headache for the boys upstairs. |
Edited by - Pushrod on 04/25/2011 23:00:44 |
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nuxfan
PickupHockey All-Star
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Posted - 04/25/2011 : 23:08:59
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Hypothetical for sure... but yes, Luongo is tradeable. However, the market for someone like him is small, and its doubtful that VAN would get anywhere near what they felt was FMV for him, if they did feel the need to move him (either at his request or theirs).
There are a lot of complicating factors around Luongo that would lead to difficulties in trading:
- 10 more years on a contract with a cap hit of 5.3M. Thats more than a lot of teams want to spend on goaltending.
- the contract is front loaded, after this season he is still set to make 6.7M in actual salary in each of the next 7 years, before it falls to below the cap hit. Only richer teams can afford to pay an actual salary that is more than the cap hit.
- NTC, which means he could dictate where he goes. Given the length of the deal, he is likely to veto nearly any destination that might actually need or want him as part of a rebuild. The NTC has a catch however, after the 5th year there is a window clause where Luongo can "facilitate" (demand) a trade, and after the 7th the team can trade him to anyone.
Fact is, despite his lack of deep playoff success, Luongo is still a very good goalie - 2 Vezina and a Hart nomination in his time in VAN, along with multiple 30+ win and great statistical seasons, he's proven he's durable and regularly successful, and he's only 32 - he's easily one of the top-5 goalies in the NHL today. Teams thinking of acquiring him would be thinking he'd refresh and renew with a change of scenery.
But its all hypothetical, I don't really think that the Canucks would entertain trading him. Yet. |
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Guest4394
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Posted - 04/26/2011 : 01:13:52
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Originally posted by Alex116
All this goalie controversy in Vancouver and the talk of his lack of playoff success had me thinking. Is Luongo tradeable? I mean, if they did go with Schneider tomorrow night, which i doubt they will, and Luongo felt snubbed, which i assume he would, and the relationship between he and management soured (as well as his desire to be in Van), could the Canucks trade him? I know they wouldn't get much for him, but would another team take on the contract and his history? His cap hit is very manageable and his NTC isn't for the duration of the contract (from what i recall) but is there a team out there who'd take him (even if the return was minimal / virtually nothing)???
It's not unimaginable that the Canucks could decide to go forward with Schneider and spend their money elsewhere IF they could offload Luongo?
Totally hypothetical of course. For all we know, Luongo could stand on his head tomorrow night, steal the win and go on to record 12 straight shutouts to win the cup, the Conn Smythe, etc? Okay, that's even more hypothetical, i know.
PHILLY needs a goalie, they only have 3 maybe goaltenders for their future and they arent even that good, and phily has the capspace for luuu. |
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Posted - 04/26/2011 : 05:15:05
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Yep - he is tradeable.
Heard Bob McCowan talking about this the other day on the FAN590 in Toronto . . . and they went through the potential scenarios - Luongo plays amazing, wins game; Schneider gets put in net; Luongo plays and sucks.
It was mentioned during that discussion that teams like Tampa Bay might be interested, and it was also mentioned that Luongo's cap hit was friendly, considering. They talked about TB being a fit, as his wife lives in Florida during the season, and she is from there, and he did play there for quite some time - and he might be looking to get out of the Canadian spotlight at that point (following the hypothetical scenarion of him sucking in game 7, etc).
I can imagine Luongo also being pursued by any number of teams, and I honestly do not think the market would be that small for him.
But it's an interesting thought, for a guy who is in the first year of a 12 year deal, and currently one of the faces of the franchise in Vancouver.
I think it'll all be a moot point after tonight, however. I predict solid play from Lu and a Canucks win. 
"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug |
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Guest2712
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Posted - 04/26/2011 : 06:51:57
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| If Gretzky can be traded, then anything is possible.... |
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Beans15
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Posted - 04/26/2011 : 07:15:18
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There are a number of teams that would take Luongo in a heartbeat. Many where mentioned already such as COL, TB, and PHI. But let's not forget teams like EDM, CJB, ATL, PHX(if they move and Bryzgalov does not go), TOR(Reimer is not a sure thing), etc. Realistically, I would suggest there are only about 10 teams in the NHL that would not be interested. There is a huge market for Luongo.
However, there is the thing about the NMC that would limit where Luongo would go. Also, what is fair market value for a regular season MVP/top in their position type player with very limited playoff success??
Finally, the contract is not a roadblock. It is front loaded and designed to be a buy out deal in 6-7 years. A top tier goalie at a cap hit of $5.3 million is more than palatable in nearly any market. |
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Dastardly Bastard
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Posted - 04/26/2011 : 08:05:18
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If Lou and the rest of the team do not perform tonight you can bet there will be some huge changes in the off season. I wouldn't doubt it Vancouver went into some sort of pseudo rebuilding mode.
As far as I see it the only untouchables on the Nucks roster are:
Sedinx2
Kesler
Edler
Ehrhoff will be resigned
Hammer
Everyone else is expendable and if van loses tonight lou is gone by the start of next season. |
Edited by - Dastardly Bastard on 04/26/2011 08:05:54 |
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Guest9169
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Posted - 04/26/2011 : 08:18:29
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| No he is not tradeable because no other team in the league would want him. |
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nuxfan
PickupHockey All-Star
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Posted - 04/26/2011 : 08:31:51
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Bastard, I would add Burrows to the list of untouchables, if only for his very good cap hit and chemistry with the Sedin's. And Malhotra, although its unclear if he'll be back at all. I also think they'll make a strong effort to resign Hansen, he's been stellar this year and has arguably provided the best bang-for-buck behind the Sedin's and Kesler this season.
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However, there is the thing about the NMC that would limit where Luongo would go. Also, what is fair market value for a regular season MVP/top in their position type player with very limited playoff success??
I think the NTC (it is not a NMC) is the real catch in any deal for Luongo. Because of the length of the deal, this contract is a lifetime contract - Luongo would have to be very happy with his destination of choice, and that rules out most of the teams that could use him the most. I think he'd probably limit his choices to contenders or close-to contenders, in comfortable and livable cities. He was willing to sign the deal in Vancouver for those very reasons, and I doubt that would change.
To the list that Beans provided (which I think is a reasonable list), I would also add FLA (they're going to lose Vokoun this year), and possibly ANA (I'm starting to wonder about the longterm prospects of Hiller). Of those choices, only PHI and TB really stand out. TB might be number 1 given that his wife is from nearby and they spend the offseason in Florida already, but PHI is clearly a contender with a glaring hole in goal right now.
As for FMV, who knows. |
Edited by - nuxfan on 04/26/2011 08:33:30 |
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Alex116
PickupHockey Legend
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Posted - 04/26/2011 : 09:56:51
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It's funny, i only brought this up due to the Schneider start the other night and what that may have or could do to the relationship between their former captain and the team. If the Canucks lose tonight, AV is likely gone and it leaves me wondering if it was really his decision to start Schneider the other night? If it was, Luongo may be okay and still happy with management and the rest of his team? If the decision came from above, he may be pissed and want to be traded!?!
TBay is a great suggestion, whoever said that, as they're already a playoff team and with his wife in Fla it would make sense. Personally, i don't see much of a return for him UNLESS there's two or more teams he agrees to go to to create a bit of a bidding war. My thoughts would be that if he were pissed, he'd name his destination and the Canucks would be handcuffed.
Either way, in the salary cap world, the Canucks might be better off with a cheaper goalie even if they got little in return for their Vezina nominated goalie?
Here's hoping Slozo's right and the Canucks win tonight and move on!
BTW, i'm not as excited as i should be to have just found out i'm going to the game!!! I'm just too nervous!  |
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nuxfan
PickupHockey All-Star
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Posted - 04/26/2011 : 10:22:39
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I had a chance to get tickets myself, but passed. Mainly due to the cost, $530 face value for 2 tix! Having a hard time getting through the work day, I may take the afternoon off with a bad case of hockeyitis  |
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Alex116
PickupHockey Legend
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Posted - 04/26/2011 : 10:26:47
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Originally posted by nuxfan
I had a chance to get tickets myself, but passed. Mainly due to the cost, $530 face value for 2 tix! Having a hard time getting through the work day, I may take the afternoon off with a bad case of hockeyitis
Got a pair from a supplier i deal with! Psyched, but nervous as hell! Could be a heckuva party (Slozo's prediction), or a tragic, sad end to what was an amazing regular season (Beans prediciton).
GO SLOZO!!! lol... |
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ToXXiK1
PickupHockey Pro
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Posted - 04/26/2011 : 10:26:52
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Originally posted by nuxfan
I had a chance to get tickets myself, but passed. Mainly due to the cost, $530 face value for 2 tix! Having a hard time getting through the work day, I may take the afternoon off with a bad case of hockeyitis
That'd be the price for 1 ticket here in Toronto in nosebleed seats ! |
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nuxfan
PickupHockey All-Star
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Posted - 04/26/2011 : 12:07:09
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FWIW, I heard on the radio this morning that demand for tickets is actually lower than expected - a lot of people don't want to spend that kind of money on a game this tense that might end in misery...
Club seats face value of 265/seat (for round 1 no less, the price escalates as the rounds escalate, I believe that face value for round 4 is something like 450/seat) - and you know that scalpers are asking double, so probably 1100-1300 for 2 of the best seats in the house... thats a lot of cheddar to lay down for a single game where a cup or medal is not being presented.
Alex, enjoy the game tonight! If you have to throw up before the game from nerves, make sure to do it over the viaduct . And if we lose, make sure you flip a car or two on Robson. |
Edited by - nuxfan on 04/26/2011 12:07:37 |
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Alex116
PickupHockey Legend
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Posted - 04/26/2011 : 13:53:30
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Buddy of mine said the same thing, that tix were going cheaper than most thought they would. Good to see in one way but bad in another. It means that this entire city and fan base is crapping themselves right now with nerves surrounding the "what if we lose....". Crazy!
As far as flipping cars, i'm sure you're kidding and i really hope that after the way Vancouver handled the Olympics, that there's none of that nonsense whether we lose tonight, next week, in the finals or win the cup. There's no need for that crap that makes an entire city and organization look bad!  |
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foolpittier
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 04/26/2011 : 15:57:38
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luongo for kovalchuk
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FutureKesler
Rookie
Canada
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Posted - 04/26/2011 : 17:19:49
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Nux will win. If not AV and Lui are gone.
Flames Suck! |
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nuxfan
PickupHockey All-Star
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Posted - 04/26/2011 : 23:23:04
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As far as flipping cars, i'm sure you're kidding
Yes, I'm kidding. But you'd let me know if you flipped one, right?
Must have been electric in there tonight. I was in a bar with a hundred other fans, all of us on the edge of our seats all night....man what a game, I'm so wired right now I can't sleep. |
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