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FutureKesler
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 Posted - 05/18/2011 : 21:09:55
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The Nux walloped SJ 7-3 in game 2, Any chance SJ can get back in this series? Or dare I say a S---p?
Ryan Kesler is a BEAST!
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Guest9904
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Posted - 05/18/2011 : 21:18:01
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Guest9920
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Posted - 05/18/2011 : 21:25:25
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sharks will tie it up at 2, you [mod edit] arrogant canucks fans calling for a sweep already
The symbols in the middle of the word do not make it any less of a swear. Keep the language clean. |
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Guest4827
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Posted - 05/18/2011 : 21:32:08
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FutureKesler
Rookie
Canada
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Posted - 05/18/2011 : 21:39:52
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Originally posted by Guest9920
sharks will tie it up at 2, you [mod edit] arrogant canucks fans calling for a sweep already
The symbols in the middle of the word do not make it any less of a swear. Keep the language clean.
Hey Guest! What team do you cheer for?
You dirty Bunny!
(This was all I could think of without getting mod edited, I figured that this will get under guest' skin even more than calling him a foul word)
Oh and Guest,should you decide to actually sign up, please refer to the Forum rules, I learned this the hard way, by getting edited about 15 times.
Ryan Kesler is a BEAST! |
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Beans15
Moderator
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Posted - 05/18/2011 : 22:05:58
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Originally posted by Guest4827
bieksa = BEAUTY
Really??
Bieksa = D-Bag
What kind of guy drops the mitts with a star who hasn't fought in nearly 4 years but won't drop them with anyone who could actually give him a fight??
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Ripley
PickupHockey Pro
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Posted - 05/18/2011 : 22:11:00
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| Did anyone else see the "gift" that was given to Eager as he sat in the penalty box for his unsportsmanlike penalty? It's worth a look. |
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nuxfan
PickupHockey All-Star
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Posted - 05/18/2011 : 22:11:21
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anyone who thinks this is going to be a sweep is kidding deluding themselves. Game 1 and game 2 (up to the beginning of the Eager Show) were extremely close games, and both could easily have gone the other way.
VAN has a history of not playing well in SJ, and in fact Luongo did not even play there this season. This series is far from over. |
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nuxfan
PickupHockey All-Star
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Posted - 05/18/2011 : 22:12:31
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What kind of guy drops the mitts with a star who hasn't fought in nearly 4 years but won't drop them with anyone who could actually give him a fight??
what kind of player wouldn't drop the mitts when the other player drops them first? Shame on Marleau for a) fighting at all, and b) picking Bieksa to fight with. |
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nuxfan
PickupHockey All-Star
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Posted - 05/18/2011 : 22:22:33
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Did anyone else see the "gift" that was given to Eager as he sat in the penalty box for his unsportsmanlike penalty? It's worth a look.
Haha, thats awesome! A fan of the "twins" I see  |
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Guest4827
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Posted - 05/18/2011 : 22:26:20
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Originally posted by Beans15
[quote]Originally posted by Guest4827
bieksa = BEAUTY
Really??
Bieksa = D-Bag
What kind of guy drops the mitts with a star who hasn't fought in nearly 4 years but won't drop them with anyone who could actually give him a fight??
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Not his fault marleau made the mistake of dropping the gloves with "Juice" |
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onecup
Top Prospect
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Posted - 05/18/2011 : 22:38:49
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SJ can hold their own for about a period and a half and then Vancouver's speed and physical play starts to wear SJ down. If I was in charge of SJ ice I'd make sure it was really crappy for the next two games to slow the Canucks down a bit...it wouldn't have any appreciable affect upon the "speed" of the Sharks.
Have been really impressed with the discipline displayed by Van.
The harder you pull the trigger, the farther the bullet goes... |
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Alex116
PickupHockey Legend
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Posted - 05/18/2011 : 23:32:21
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Originally posted by nuxfan
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What kind of guy drops the mitts with a star who hasn't fought in nearly 4 years but won't drop them with anyone who could actually give him a fight??
what kind of player wouldn't drop the mitts when the other player drops them first? Shame on Marleau for a) fighting at all, and b) picking Bieksa to fight with.
I guess he should have turtled and let Marleau practice his fighting skills?
Funny how some think Bieksa turns down fights and perhaps he has this year in the playoffs, but i watch a lot of hockey and during the regular season, he doesn't turn down the opportunity to "go" very often!
Last year he'd be considered undisciplined, this year he's a d-bag......lol |
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fat_elvis_rocked
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 05/19/2011 : 00:27:12
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I gotta disagree Beans, in this tussle and the Stalberg scrap, I gotta give Bieksa the nod, he did his thang perfectly in both.
He gives Marleau a cheapy crosscheck and Marleau retaliates himself in to a beatdown, good strategic play.
Stalberg runs around trying to paste guys, he earned his smackdown. Good call to step in an say 'uh uh'.
I went to hockeyfights.com and checked Bieksa's fightlog and he seems to take on all comers regardless of size or rep.
An honest player is an honest player regardless of whether he plays on a team one can stand or not. |
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Guest5592
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Posted - 05/19/2011 : 04:27:59
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| the nux are a dirty team filed with players superstar players that i just cant cheer for the twins... are the main reason they are so gay, kesler,burrows,beskia, all good guys rick rypien to but jeeese those twins are not cool |
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Oilearl
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 05/19/2011 : 06:12:31
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| You're never in trouble until you lose at home lots of hockey left. Weren't the brooms out in Chicago??? |
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Beans15
Moderator
Canada
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Posted - 05/19/2011 : 07:37:36
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I get that Marleau dropped them first, but my d-bag comment comes from a 'tough guy' who doesn't dance with other 'tough guys'. Bieska fought Marleau and Stalberg. Need I say more???
On another note, shame on Eager for his hit on Sedin. Regardless of Sedin turning his back, the hit would have been gross regardless. Playing angry is one things. Playing reckless is another.
Finally, Bieska has always been a d-bag. He was not undisciplined before, he was still a d-bag. He's part of the d-bag posse with Burrow, Torres, and Lapierre. Kesler was once in that posse but he has learned to not be a d-bag and play hockey. |
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Posted - 05/19/2011 : 09:08:07
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Wow, you got some SERIOUS hate issues there, Beans. Really, I think you need counselling, lol.
What makes Bieksa a douchebag, please elaborate - so far, everything you have brought up has been neatly shot down as totally false.
Is it maybe because . . . he has a Canucks sweaters on? 
You know, as a fellow longstanding and longsuffering Maple Leafs fan, you'd think you'd have a little more sympathy for a Canadian team trying to win the cup for the first time.
"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug |
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fat_elvis_rocked
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 05/19/2011 : 09:48:45
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Actually Beans, yes, you do need to say more.
B.J. Crombeen
Aaron Voros
Eric Nystrom
Jordin Tootoo
Tom Kostopoulos
Darcy Tucker
Craig Adams
Ben Eager
Sean O'Donnell
Greg DeVries
J.F. Jacques
These are a sampling of the scraps Bieksa has had, and while not by any stretch of the imagination, the elite of NHL scrappers, they are all recognized gamers, who have some recognition for their fighting, if not in skill, at the very least in desire.
At 6' 1", 198lbs., I would think Bieksa would be squarely in the class of most of these guys, so a statement like 'tough guy' who doesn't dance with other 'tough guys', sounds a bit off. I don't think he has ever been regarded as a bona fide 'tough guy', but rather as a good physical defenceman,
In the Marleau and Stalberg incidents, I think Bieksa did exactly what he should have, and wonder if he was on any other team, the animosity would be the same for him. I would love to see him in our beloved Oiler blue, doing exactly the same thing,
I guess I am just having trouble understanding why the 2 incidents mentioned, cause him to be labeled a D-bag, with the likes of Burrows, Torres and Lapierre.
Those guys I can see, Bieksa, from all the games I've seen him play, and it's not an insignificant amount, plays a good solid, honest game. |
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nuxfan
PickupHockey All-Star
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Posted - 05/19/2011 : 10:17:19
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thank you FER for doing the digging - it is well known that Bieksa fights many comers, in his weight class and above, as FER's list shows.
As for not fighting Eager (if Eager did in fact challenge him), I say thats just smart hockey, and Bieksa is a smart hockey player. A Bieksa-Eager fight where both players sit for 5 heavily favours SJ. Beiksa-Marleau, well thats a tradeoff I can take in a close game. |
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Alex116
PickupHockey Legend
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Posted - 05/19/2011 : 11:10:25
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FER....i think part of it is the fact that Bieksa is one of those guys who's easy to hate (if you don't cheer for the Canucks). Some can respect this kind of guy, others can't. It's very much like me loving guys like Kronwall, Jovo (even before he came to Van) and Phaneuf (in his first couple years when he was physically dominating and playing good hockey). Some guys will hate guys like that and simply won't admit they'd love to have them on their team, others appreciate their quality play, even if they are hammering guys on their favorite teams!
As far as Bieksa goes, ya, he doesn't take on heavyweights very often, nor should he have to! He's a physical dman who plays with and edge and stands up for himself and his team mates on more than enough occasions to not get a reputation as a guy who picks his spots, as someone here is trying to imply! |
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Beans15
Moderator
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Posted - 05/19/2011 : 11:53:43
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Well, I can go back and see that Tie Domi fought Bob Probert in 1988 but that doesn't tell me much about today does it??
Bieksa (much like Rafi Torres) is an easy guy to hate because he is an easy guy to hate. The real respectful comments like "Kyle Wellwood is a weasel" make him a pretty class act, hey guys??? I would hate this guys if he played for the Oiler just like I hated Torres when he played for the Oilers.
I see that I am the unpopular opinion, and that's fine. Maybe Bieksa doesn't pick his spots normally, but he sure did last night! |
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nuxfan
PickupHockey All-Star
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Posted - 05/19/2011 : 12:01:44
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Well, I can go back and see that Tie Domi fought Bob Probert in 1988 but that doesn't tell me much about today does it??
No. But if you looked up Domi's or Probert's fighting records, and laid them out - such as FER did with Bieksa - that would tell you a lot more, no?
Bieksa fights about 3 times a year, give or take. He fights bigger guys than him, regularly. He doesn't go looking for it, but also doesn't back down when challenged in the right spot. Last night against Marleau, in a 3-2 game when Marleau seemed to be gagging for it, was a "right spot".
Of course he picks his spots, any smart hockey player would. Goons fighting at any old time is one thing, but a top-3 defender leaving the ice is another, and he is aware of who he's taking off with him. Good hockey players that also fight (Iginla, Lecavalier, Thornton, etc) don't fight any time some 4th line goon wants to go either.
The Kyle Wellwood comments have more history than Bieksa simply calling him a weasel.... |
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fat_elvis_rocked
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 05/19/2011 : 12:11:30
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Originally posted by Beans15
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Originally posted by Guest4827
bieksa = BEAUTY
Really??
Bieksa = D-Bag
What kind of guy drops the mitts with a star who hasn't fought in nearly 4 years but won't drop them with anyone who could actually give him a fight??
1988 notwithstanding, this is a post you made, my post only shows that it is incorrect.
You've said many times, have an opinion, but back it up with sound reason and logic. I am simply reminding you of the same.
Calling Kyle Wellwood a weasel is tantamount to douchebaggery? Do we know he isn't.
Maybe Bieksa just speaks as he plays.....honestly. |
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Beans15
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Posted - 05/19/2011 : 12:47:25
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Honestly and making a D-bag statement are two very different things. Did you ever hear Steve Yzerman call anyone a weasel?? What was said after the Draper/Lemieux saga when Yzerman was the captain?? What about Joe Sakic??? Ever here him say anything like that??
Honesty maybe. Honorable? Not by a long shot. |
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fat_elvis_rocked
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 05/19/2011 : 15:48:39
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If I was to consider comparing Bieksa to Yzerman or Sakic you are exactly right......that is what you just did, isn't it?
The only point I am trying to exasperatingly? make, is that 2 incidents, and now apparently, one comment(which has naught to do with anything in regards to your initial point), do not deter from my perception that Bieksa plays an honest game. He doesn't cheap shot,(unless you call that minor irritation of a cross check, given to successfully distract a 1st line player and draw him into a penalty, which would be a stretch), a dirty play.
He does fight other fighters, he does stand up for teammates, so they don't get Marleau'd. He does take it upon himself to set a tone for a player who starts running around taking physical liberties(Stalberg), and on top of all that, he is still a very, very effective player at his position.
Yet he is still, in your words, a D-bag? Because he called someone a 'weasel'? Is,(insert angelic chorus here), The Great One,(fade from angelic chorus here), a D-bag because he, in a public forum, called an entire organization weasels??,(okay it was Mickey Mouse, but close enough to use as a reference ).
I would think calling someone a D-bag is worse, in any forum, public or not.
Again, hate away, but don't use such lame examples as justification. |
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Alex116
PickupHockey Legend
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Posted - 05/19/2011 : 16:13:06
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Funny thing about the Marleau incident is he may have intentionally brought it on himself. Look at it this way, if he lucked out and landed a beauty shot (like Kotsopolous did to Bieksa) and stung him, he'd surely inspire his team! If he holds his own, he inspires his team! If he gets beat, like he did, he inspires his team! Maybe the inspiration is a little different, but if i'm his team mate and i see him standing up to Bieksa, i realize i gotta start "bring'in' it'!
Just imagine if SJ comes out and wins handily tomorrow night with one of their better efforts and then goes on to take the series. He could get a grand total of 0 more points, and Marleau would still be considered the hero for supplying the turning point?
Maybe Patty Marleau has fooled everyone? |
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Guest4178
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Posted - 05/19/2011 : 16:32:35
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I agree Alex – the Marleau-Bieksa fight could inspire the Sharks to come back hard in game three (and beyond). Look what it did to Pittsburgh in the 2009 playoffs, when they were up against Philadelphia. I'm not sure if I remember the facts accurately, but I seem to remember that Carcilo fought Maxime Talbot (which was not really a fair fight), and I recall this being a turning point in the Flyers-Penguins series.
It's all about the result though. If the Sharks do not come back in their series with the Canucks, the fight is a non-factor. And at the end of the day, there is enough inspiration for players and teams to compete, so isolating a fight (fair or not) is usually more fan chatter or speculation than anything else.
By the way, I'm wondering if Marleau was "inspired" to fight Bieksa because of comments made by Jeremy Roenick in the last playoff round, where Roenick called out Marleau, saying that he was "gutless" in his play? |
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Guest6604
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Posted - 05/19/2011 : 16:36:37
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Marleau has an inch and 20 pounds on Bieksa.
I hardly say that was an unfair fight for him, which he initiated. |
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Alex116
PickupHockey Legend
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Posted - 05/19/2011 : 17:15:28
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Originally posted by Guest6604
Marleau has an inch and 20 pounds on Bieksa.
I hardly say that was an unfair fight for him, which he initiated.
It's a good point, but fact is, Marleau's not considered a fighter! His last fight was 4 years ago! Bieksa fights approx 3-5 times a season and is known to be that type of guy.
IF Bieksa had initiated it, i could see people making a big deal about it, but it didn't quite go that way! |
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Guest0517
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Posted - 05/19/2011 : 18:03:20
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| what a "gutless" move by marleau to fight bieksa |
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Guest4988
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Posted - 05/19/2011 : 19:03:13
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| OK Beans, I have to help you out here. I agree 100% with you on your list of hateful players.....I won't call them d-bags, but certainly dirty & sneaky. That lists includes in no particular order, Burrows, Torres, Lapierre, Bieksa & Kesler. I also agree that Kesler has matured a lot and he's not nearly as bad as he used to be. I'm not big on Vigneau either as a coach. Anyway, in my opinion, Bieksa cross-checked Marleau and that started the whole thing last night. For the posters to say that Marleau "started" it all is ridiculous and the fact that Bieksa fought one of the Sharks stars incensed Eager and the rest of San Jose. I admit that Eager went too far, but Bieksa initiated everything. Also, in the Bieksa attack on another non-fighter Victor Stalberg of Chicago, I guess his feelings were hurt because Stalberg knocked Bieksa over with a clean check! Chicago were trouncing Vancouver in the game, so Bieksa decided to take out his frustrations by pounding on Stalberg. Bieksa also had the gall to say that John Scott of Chicago only fights lesser-lights, ( which is also not true ) yet he fights Marleau & Stalberg. The guy is a hypocrite-- he is a good defenceman, but very hateful. I also agree that his comment on Wellwood was classless too. It's guys like Bieksa and the other four Canucks mentioned along with the bias of the Canadian media ( I'm from Canada by the way ) such as HNIC, TSN & Sportsnet that makes me root against Vancouver. It doesn't matter if they're based in Canada, I'd rather root for teams with many Canadian-born players than a team loaded with non-Canadian players like the Canucks. |
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FutureKesler
Rookie
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fat_elvis_rocked
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 05/19/2011 : 22:06:48
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Guest4988,
There is no denying that Bieksa initiated the incident with Marleau, he did give him a cross-check, inarguable.
The question is why? Maybe to intiate a retaliatory response from one of the Sharks' stars.....hmmmm.
Did Marleau have to drop his gloves in response? No, and as much as some talk of him trying to fire up his team and blah, blah, blah, the fact remains, it ended up being a bad decision both for his skull, because it rattled his brain, and for Eager, who showed he may not have one.
This is the Conference finals of the Stanley Cup playoffs, talk all you want about lack of honor, and D-baggery, etc. etc., but there is obviously more to the games at this level, than what happens on the ice. This is not the regular season, and players will use any advantage to gain an edge, period.
Why will none of the Bieksa haters debate my reasoning for what Bieksa did?
Stalberg was running around taking liberties, any player who is running around throwing the body like he did in that short sequence is going to find themselves in that same situation, that's the game, you try to run around throwing the body, someone is going to call you on it, simple.
Bieksa goaded Marleau into making a bad play, and it went further than I would think even he thought it would. Do any of you really believe he thought Marleau, who as it was pointed out, hasn't fought in 4 years, would actually drop his gloves like he did? That's a freebie for Bieksa, and for him to not take advantage of it, in such an important series, would be ridiculous. Regular season, different story.
And the comments? Is Bieksa the only player in the playoffs to use the media to stir things up? I don't think so by any means.
Eager got more airtime than playing time from all this, Bolland and Burish couldn't stop talking smack any chance they got last year, and according to some posters ideology, that would mean that they D-bagged their way to a Stanley Cup ring then. Let's keep it a little more real here, than he said 'bad' things, please.
I'll say it again, hate whoever you want, but if you want to debate your opinon, bring something tangible.
PS. Geez.....if I don't stop sounding like I got a man crush on Bieksa, Alex and Nux are gonna start thinking I like the Canuckleheads! |
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fat_elvis_rocked
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
902 Posts |
Posted - 05/19/2011 : 22:12:43
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Just a quick aside, there is an article in Edmonton journal, somewhat, in a roundabout way, supporting the Bieksa haters ideas that Bieksa shouldn't have punched out Marleau and he 'broke the code'.
http://blogs.edmontonjournal.com/2011/05/19/bieksa-broke-the-fighters-code-against-marleau/
I am sure Jim Matheson feels he's making a valid point, but at this time of the year, and in a series this close to the prize? It just sounds lame. |
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nuxfan
PickupHockey All-Star
3670 Posts |
Posted - 05/19/2011 : 22:35:46
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Alex and Nux are gonna start thinking I like the Canuckleheads!
Rest assured, you will never be mistaken as a Canucks fan. But I think I do see the beginnings of a little man-crush on Bieksa, so cute!
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Did Marleau have to drop his gloves in response? No, and as much as some talk of him trying to fire up his team and blah, blah, blah, the fact remains, it ended up being a bad decision both for his skull, because it rattled his brain, and for Eager, who showed he may not have one.
This is really what it boils down to for me as well. Bieksa and Marleau got into an elevated situation. Starts with a cross check from Bieksa, continues with some back and forth low leg slashing and a stare down, maybe some words are thrown. In other words - a pretty simple interchange in an interchange-filled game, to this point really nothing out of the ordinary has happened folks, its been happening in every game all playoffs long.
At that point - Marleau can simply turn away and continue playing. I'm sure Bieksa thought thats how it would go, because he knows Marleau is not a fighter. But honestly, once Marleau drops the gloves and initiates a fight, what does anyone think Bieksa is going to do in response? |
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Alex116
PickupHockey Legend
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Posted - 05/20/2011 : 01:11:09
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Originally posted by fat_elvis_rocked
PS. Geez.....if I don't stop sounding like I got a man crush on Bieksa, Alex and Nux are gonna start thinking I like the Canuckleheads!
FER....Plans for the long weekend? Heading up to my cabin in the interior with some friends. Would love to bring a date!
All kidding aside, great article you provided, but i have to argue with the writer, why in the world would Bieksa consider "whispering in a guy's ear" at that point in time?? Maybe, just maybe, in a reg season game, but when you're playing the same guys two nights later? F'em! Pummel the poor sap!!!
Let's face it, what this comes down to is Canucks fans, vs Canucks HATERS and then throw in the mix of the sane (such as FER) who can see both sides. Aside from that, we're gonna argue till it's done. I get it! I'm not sweatin' it! BUT, i certainly won't back down from the insanity! |
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shanghaibri
Top Prospect
Canada
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Posted - 05/20/2011 : 02:14:31
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Kesler is a legitimate fourth liner. Bieksa is a goon. Lugnuts Louie, aka 10 million dollar man is a fraud, Vancouver is where goalies go to die! They haven't even been to San Jose yet!
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Beans15
Moderator
Canada
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Posted - 05/20/2011 : 06:12:20
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I am going to gracefully bow out of this one. It's has become obvious that people are not going to see each others points. If Bieksa called specific individuals names in public is considers honest (like the way he plays) and Bieksa dropping the gloves with guys like Marleau and Stalberg in these play-offs but not dancing with guys like Eager and Scott, that's fine. If people can not see the difference between honor and honestly, that too is fine.
No point in wasting anyone else's time. |
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nuxfan
PickupHockey All-Star
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Posted - 05/20/2011 : 07:05:45
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Kesler is a legitimate fourth liner. Bieksa is a goon. Lugnuts Louie, aka 10 million dollar man is a fraud, Vancouver is where goalies go to die! They haven't even been to San Jose yet!
erm, welcome to the board shanghaibri, and...thank you for your valuable and level-headed insight into the Canucks team. |
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