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JOSHUACANADA
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
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 Posted - 04/05/2012 : 12:29:22
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| If the debate is on still for who won this trade, my opinion is Seguin and Hamilton won this trade. |
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Guest9220
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Posted - 04/06/2012 : 04:08:37
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| Read this thread from begining to end and the only thing that got my attention was some Leaf fans comparing Seguin to a Stajan, or Antropov type player. Really? Surely you have to smarter than that. |
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sahis34
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 04/06/2012 : 10:18:46
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Originally posted by Alex116
Sahis, my apologies, i thought you meant Seguin and Hamilton both (on their own) were more valuable, not as a pair. You've now cleared that up, and i see your point and it does make some sense. I'm sure there's a few like you mentioned who would be worth more, but i get what you were trying to say.
BTW, one day surely this thread will die, no? 
Not if we keep clogging it up with all this other nonsense |
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irvine
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
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Posted - 04/16/2012 : 10:34:45
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I think the players won the trade!
Kessel joins a team where he becomes the #1 offensive player. Giving him the time he wants on the ice to produce.
Seguin gets a cup!
Irvine/prez. |
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Guest9215
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Posted - 12/09/2012 : 05:19:39
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| I think this year has been the closest year for this trade. I'll give Toronto the edge this season. |
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sahis34
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
529 Posts |
Posted - 12/09/2012 : 12:50:28
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| stop with the nonsense, boston won get over it |
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The Duke
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
809 Posts |
Posted - 12/19/2012 : 19:30:09
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Hard to believe that this topic just won`t go away. This trade has garnered more attention than when Gretzky went to LA in 1988...unbelieveable 
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Guest2666
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Posted - 12/24/2012 : 15:32:07
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| Just proves that Toronto is the center of the hockey universe. |
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Guest5443
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Posted - 01/08/2013 : 16:26:00
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Originally posted by Guest2666
Just proves that Toronto is the center of the hockey universe.
It also proves how behind Toronto is... still talking about a 2 year old trade.
Move on Torontonians..... let the past go!
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slozo
Moderator
Canada
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Posted - 01/09/2013 : 04:49:54
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Originally posted by Guest5443
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Originally posted by Guest2666
Just proves that Toronto is the center of the hockey universe.
It also proves how behind Toronto is... still talking about a 2 year old trade.
Move on Torontonians..... let the past go!
How can Torontonians let it go, when the majority of posts are by fans of other teams simply wishing to denigrate and pile-on the Leafs? 
"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug |
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The_Gipper
Rookie
Canada
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Posted - 01/09/2013 : 14:01:42
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| this is something interesting to hear, especially since it never would have been considered while Burke was in charge: TSN radio strongly predicted that Kessel is going to be traded early this season. |
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JOSHUACANADA
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
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Posted - 01/09/2013 : 19:50:55
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| I have a fresh perspective today on this debate. No matter who thinks which team won this trade, Burke clearly lost. Most commentators are using this as the catalyst for Burkes firing today. |
Edited by - JOSHUACANADA on 01/10/2013 08:16:08 |
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Beans15
Moderator
Canada
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Posted - 01/10/2013 : 14:24:44
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Originally posted by The Duke
Hard to believe that this topic just won`t go away. This trade has garnered more attention than when Gretzky went to LA in 1988...unbelieveable
This has to be a joke. Please tell me this was an attempt at humour as THE TRADE was subject to government intervention, decades of discussion, and documentaries up the wazoo.
The Kessel deal died years ago. Don't confuse a group of people on this website who revert back to old topics when there is nothing better to talk about as something more than it is.
By the way, Boston won. The Leaf lost Seguin, Knight, Hamilton, and now Burke in this trade. All that for Phil Kessel.......
Daniel Alfredsson is the MVP of the universe. All hail the Ottawa Senators!!!!! |
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JOSHUACANADA
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
1208 Posts |
Posted - 01/14/2013 : 10:27:54
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Bet you cant wait for the season to start Bean's. Love that the bets for your avatar, signature and such has lasted this long.
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Originally posted by Beans15
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Originally posted by The Duke
Hard to believe that this topic just won`t go away. This trade has garnered more attention than when Gretzky went to LA in 1988...unbelieveable
This has to be a joke. Please tell me this was an attempt at humour as THE TRADE was subject to government intervention, decades of discussion, and documentaries up the wazoo.
The Kessel deal died years ago. Don't confuse a group of people on this website who revert back to old topics when there is nothing better to talk about as something more than it is.
By the way, Boston won. The Leaf lost Seguin, Knight, Hamilton, and now Burke in this trade. All that for Phil Kessel.......
Daniel Alfredsson is the MVP of the universe. All hail the Ottawa Senators!!!!!
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Alex116
PickupHockey All-Star
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Posted - 01/14/2013 : 17:12:27
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Originally posted by JOSHUACANADA
Bet you cant wait for the season to start Bean's. Love that the bets for your avatar, signature and such has lasted this long.
Only about 5 days left Beans. You really got screwed with that lockout, even though it's been awfully quiet around here because of it! |
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Guest9281
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Posted - 05/16/2013 : 09:38:52
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| In the first time we could compare this trade directly when it mattered most, Toronto won this trade. Kessel with 6 points compared to 1 point for Seguin and Hamilton combined. Kessel was a force in this series while Seguin and Hamilton struggled. Hopefully this ends this debate. |
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fat_elvis_rocked
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 05/16/2013 : 10:19:40
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Originally posted by Guest9281
In the first time we could compare this trade directly when it mattered most, Toronto won this trade. Kessel with 6 points compared to 1 point for Seguin and Hamilton combined. Kessel was a force in this series while Seguin and Hamilton struggled. Hopefully this ends this debate.
Uhhhmm....you do know the results of that series don't you? It's been bandied about by more than a few posters to date.
The results of a trade, in my opinion, would be to improve the team. Not sure if one can say anyone 'won' that trade yet, Toronto made a heroic run at the Bruins, but in the end are still golfing early. I would think if anything, this trade helped both teams, making it more of a draw than anyone's 'win'. |
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Guest4350
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Posted - 05/16/2013 : 10:27:56
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Originally posted by fat_elvis_rocked
Uhhhmm....you do know the results of that series don't you? It's been bandied about by more than a few posters to date.
The results of a trade, in my opinion, would be to improve the team. Not sure if one can say anyone 'won' that trade yet, Toronto made a heroic run at the Bruins, but in the end are still golfing early. I would think if anything, this trade helped both teams, making it more of a draw than anyone's 'win'.
Or until Seguin and Hamilton do something that helps Boston advance beyond this round. Which is what they have the opportunity to do. Whereas Phil is golfing. |
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@valanche
Rookie
Canada
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Posted - 05/16/2013 : 12:25:05
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Seguin worked his tail off for that one assist and it turned out to be on the series clinching goal. He's also some 5 odd years younger than Kessel so lets see what he's doing in the playoffs when he's Phil's age.
Not to take anything away from Kessel he is a great player and pure goal scorer. However, I think long term Boston still wins this trade by a mile.
66 is > than 99 |
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JOSHUACANADA
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
1208 Posts |
Posted - 05/16/2013 : 12:49:49
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I can't believe we are still discussing this trade all these years later. Boston with great contributions from Seguin won the cup. Boston and Seguin beat Toronto many, many years later in the playoffs. Boston has spent less on Seguin during this time and has prospects out the wazzo thanks to Toronto, which 3 years later has finally acheived a miracle, a playoff appearance.
I maintain Seguin, Hamilton and any other player received during this trade won. Boston was able to maintain cap space to maintain success which to me was a win on its own, while Toronto has just now recovered from this trade 3 years later and still fell short of Boston in the post season. Proof is in the pudding my friends.
"I now realise that the Toronto Maple Leafs, Canada's finest hockey team, is better than the Ottawa Senators - and always will be. PS - LOVE that Dion Phaneuf! " |
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OILINONTARIO
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
738 Posts |
Posted - 05/16/2013 : 14:16:21
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Originally posted by JOSHUACANADA
I can't believe we are still discussing this trade all these years later.
Really? That was the big talk 'round these parts going into the series. Simplified, of course, to Kessel v. Seguin. Kinda surprised nobody brought it up earlier, to be honest. Toronto media is, once again, going overboard to find the silver lining.
No more "choke" headlines. Now it's "Wow! Look what we did! Imagine what we can do next year! Look how everybody has improved so much! Nowhere to go but up!"
Good for the Leafs for taking Boston to 7. Good experience for the young 'uns. What lies ahead for this team is still up in the air. Nothing was defined in round 1 except maybe that 'choke' thing.
The Oil WILL make the playoffs in 2014. |
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Guest2626
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Posted - 05/17/2013 : 07:52:48
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| you cant grade the deal on one playoff series which Boston won by the way. |
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Oilearl
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
257 Posts |
Posted - 05/17/2013 : 08:06:01
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| It's still 1 cup Bruins to 0 cups Leafs. The trade helped the Bruins more than it help the Leafs. |
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Beans15
Moderator
Canada
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Posted - 05/17/2013 : 10:40:14
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One or two players does not a Cup make. Even the great Waynge Gretzky and Bobby Orr struggles and did not win Cups without a strong supporting cast.
Kessel, Seguin, and Hamilton are all key pieces to a supporting cast needed to win a Cup. I too, don't agre this trade can be measured today. If you had to, it's really tough. You have Kessel in one hand as a legit top 10-15 scorer in the league. In the other hand, you have two very promising stars in the making that are contributing to their teams today at a very reasonable salary cap hit.
We will see next summer when Kessel's deal is up. If he leaves TO, the trade will be Boston's. If he stays and the Leafs continue to grow and develop, it will likely be a closer debate.
Ultimately, both teams got what they wanted. The Leafs got a legit and elite scorer. Boston got great young talent at an affordable price. The question is less about this trade as both teams 'won' in getting what they wanted. The question is what is worth more?? An elite scorer or potentially two stud players??
Ottawa, the best coached team in the NHL, with MVP like players such as Chris Neil, will win the Cup in 2013!
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Guest9848
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Posted - 05/17/2013 : 18:37:33
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| Maybe I don't watch enough Boston games to judge but I don't see what the hype about Seguin is, ya he had a great first season but since then he hasn't really done much and everytime i seem him play he dosnt seem to do anything special. |
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The Duke
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
809 Posts |
Posted - 05/18/2013 : 12:10:17
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You just said it best guest 9848...that about sums it up.
People talk about kessel as if he is an older player . This guy is still really young too. ( in my opinion ) kessel is still getting better all the time and still has not reached his peak.....of course Seguin hasn`t either.
Seguins numbers will grow but so will kessels i think.
As the saga continues......so will the days of our lives... lol
9 pages long and still wont go away. |
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andyhack
PickupHockey Pro
Japan
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Posted - 05/18/2013 : 16:41:28
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Both are talented guys, but these two facts have to, at the very least, be noted by any Kesseltradoligist:
1. At a key moment in the playoffs in his 1st year, TS came through
2. At a key moment in the playoffs in his 3rd year, TS came through
Moreover, I think any Kesseltradoligist could also probably infer from both the above and other factors that Peter Chiarelli is not madly searching for a time machine in order to go back to mid-September 2009 to undo "the trade." |
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Guest2762
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Posted - 05/19/2013 : 06:31:00
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| What will Leaf nation have to say if Kessel does not resign. Not saying it is going to happen, but all have to agree its possible. Im sure hes not going to take a discount to stay. |
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Guest9848
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Posted - 05/19/2013 : 09:21:13
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| I don't know why Kessel would wanna stay with the way some of the fans in Toronto treat him, when the fans of your team constantly talk about you like you were the worst trade ever while your working hard and scoring for them why would you wanna keep working for them when they aren't appreciating what you do for the team |
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Alex116
PickupHockey All-Star
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Posted - 05/19/2013 : 11:37:49
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Originally posted by Guest9848
I don't know why Kessel would wanna stay with the way some of the fans in Toronto treat him, when the fans of your team constantly talk about you like you were the worst trade ever while your working hard and scoring for them why would you wanna keep working for them when they aren't appreciating what you do for the team
What i don't get, is the fact that i actually don't hear a lot of Leaf fans complain about this deal. Granted, i don't have a ton of Leaf friends here in Vancouver, but on this site and others, i see more Leafers defending this deal by a big margin than those dissing it. It's us non Leafers who think Boston won this hands down. So, anyone in Leafland out there wanna come clean with what the attitude has been in the TO area over the last few years since the deal? I'm not talking today when Leafers are pleased at Kessel finally doing something vs Boston, i'm talking since the deal was made! |
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OILINONTARIO
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 05/19/2013 : 13:35:11
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Not a Leafer, obviously, but I would describe it as 'guarded optimism'. Most seem to agree that the Jury is still out. Certain statistics may skew the argument, but who wouldn't cling to what they have, rather than what they coulda'?
As an Oilers' fan, I enjoy the fact that we picked Hall above Seguin. Obviously, even Phil Kessel has had much more playoff success than Hall (i.e. Hall has zero games), but,, chances are, TS would have no playoff experience had the Oil picked him.
Time will tell who is on pace for an upswing. Nobody knows if any of these three will have a HOF career.
As an aside, though Kessel may have been more productive throughout the series, nobody can deny it was a coaching battle in which Carlyle did admirably, but lost to Julien.
The Oil WILL make the playoffs in 2014. |
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Guest9848
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Posted - 05/20/2013 : 07:46:51
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| I live in Toronto and listening to the fan 590 I constantly hear Leafs fans calling in and complaining about Kessel and the trade, not as much as they complain about Phaneuf however. |
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Who won the Phil Kessel Trade? 
