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Beans15
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 Posted - 08/26/2011 : 07:12:46
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Thanks for the story Slozo. This seems to be the hot stove topic of the pre-preseason.
The interesting part of this story is how it was started off by saying all agree he is on a path to full recovery. That is a good thing for the NHL,t he Penguins, and Crosby. Regardless of where he is at today, they are saying he will be back to 100% in the future.
But how long is that going to be??? I think the more important question for me is how long is it going to be until I am sick of hearing the, "When is Crosby going to be back," question. That time is not very far off in the future. |
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Guest4086
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Posted - 08/26/2011 : 10:32:18
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it's similar to Tiger Woods & golf. the second he picks up a club, the media and fans are all over it. is he back to form? will he win another major? will he win another tournament?
.........and *HURL*!!!!!
until Crosby starts playing again, i'm afraid we'll be held to the same kind of headlines all across the hockey world. |
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Alex116
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Posted - 08/26/2011 : 10:32:59
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Beans, while you are getting sick of hearing the question, think of the hockey pool junkies that most of us are! If it's announced that he won't start the season, where does one gamble and select him in a pool??? Of course, it will always depend on the pool and if you have drop / adds, trades, waivers, etc, but a guy as good as Crosby can and will have someone either running away with a pool, or losing it in a landslide!
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admin
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Posted - 08/26/2011 : 12:38:06
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Originally posted by Alex116
Beans, while you are getting sick of hearing the question, think of the hockey pool junkies that most of us are! If it's announced that he won't start the season, where does one gamble and select him in a pool??? Of course, it will always depend on the pool and if you have drop / adds, trades, waivers, etc, but a guy as good as Crosby can and will have someone either running away with a pool, or losing it in a landslide!
How dare he?
Exactly. On one hand if you choose him you may lose your pool right out of the gate, on the other you can look like a superstar prognosticator. We'll be adding Crosby as a selection option to our first PKH Community Fantasy Pickem for the season (assuming they don't announce his retirement...I'm just sayin') |
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nuxfan
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Posted - 08/26/2011 : 17:15:23
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for the poolie, I don't think the real worry is "when does Crosby come back" vs "how long until the next concussion". With one this severe, he'll be vulnerable, and if he takes any sort of hit after he comes back (illegal or not), I think he'll be right back out again.
I know that in my pools, someone will take him in the second or third round, hoping for the comeback - that person will not be me. |
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Guest8149
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Posted - 09/06/2011 : 19:51:44
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| Crosby is holding a press conference in Pittsburgh tomorrow (Sept. 7th) to address his return to hockey. I fear the news will not be good, and that he's still suffering post- concussion symptoms. I hope the news is different, but I'm not optimistic that we will see Crosby return to play early this season, if at all this season. |
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Posted - 09/07/2011 : 05:53:39
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I feel the same way guest, in terms of having a bad feeling about this press conference.
No one has a press conference to tell everyone "all is fine, I am going to be ready for the season opener". That press conference never happens . . . info like that is passed on after everyone sees a player practicing in full contact drills and training as normal.
My guesses for what he announces (from best case to worst case scenario):
1) he is postponing his comeback for an indefinite period of time, looking at a month or two later
2) same thing, except he's aiming to be back between Christmas and the all star break
3) announces he is taking the year off to recover and decide on his future
4) announces retirement
That's the problem right now . . . I can't see a press conference where CROSBY himself speaks that is any better than him delaying his comeback by a couple of months, and frankly, I think it'll be worse than that.
It's a tough blow for hockey.
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Beans15
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Posted - 09/07/2011 : 06:53:40
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I would cut #3 and #4 off that list. I see that as media hype without any kind of substance. Every report that has been written this summer quoting any doctor or medical professional stated he is expected to make a full recovery. Personally, I also think the Christmas/All Star break estimate is unlikely. I was listening to Doug MacLean last week who watched Crosby in the summer on the ice and said he would not be surprised to see him skip training camp but be ready for the season opener or very early in the season. I am not saying that he is the end all/be all of this story, but not every report is bleak and grim.
Also, this press conference is no surprise. It was discussed back during the media hype around him cancelling some ice rentals a few weeks back that Crosby would hold a press conference closer to the start of training camp to address the media. This way, not only does he not have to answer the same questions 5000 times but it will give his team mates a break from those questions too!
I believe the message from Crosby will be that he is not 100% but getting better every day. He will say that he will be at training camp and will be on the ice as soon as the Dr's say he is ready and that he feels ready. He will not answer anything directly if asked of a specific time or date as to when he will be back and we will all continue to be disappointed and the extended leave/retirement talk will continue.
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Posted - 09/07/2011 : 07:20:48
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Well, in a way I hope you're right Beans . . . but that'll be a huge disappointment for hockey poolies everywhere, as the huge doubt will remain.
My guess is he says that he is taking time off from heavy training for an indefinite period of time, at least until Christmas, at which time he will revise his next step.
I do hope I am wrong this time.
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Beans15
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Posted - 09/07/2011 : 07:24:25
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I think a big part of the hockey world also hope you are wrong!
The only thing I hope, one way or the other, is that he takes enough time to recovery and be able to continue a long and successful season. If that's 2 weeks, 2 months, or a season it doesn't matter. I think we have all learned about what happens when players come back too early.
Trying to decide if I should sell my season opener tickets for Pitt against Edmonton. C'mon Sid, don't let me down!! |
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Alex116
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Posted - 09/07/2011 : 08:22:10
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Trying to decide if I should sell my season opener tickets for Pitt against Edmonton. C'mon Sid, don't let me down!!
That part makes it even worse, doesn't it Beans! The Pens are set to be here on the 6th of Oct to open the season for the Canucks and considering the few times we get to see some of these eastern superstars, it makes this injury even worse to many hockey fans!  |
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Posted - 09/07/2011 : 10:32:36
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Watched a most of the press conference from the beginning. Basically, it's no definitve statement at all, other than:
1) Recovery going well, still not 100%
2) Sid will not come back until 100% (he's at about 90% right now)
3) He says he never cntemplated retiring, really.
Important for me was listening to Sid talk about why he momentarily stopped/change training when he was going "90%" . . . said he felt the two classic symptoms, fogginess, and headaches. That was when he was going in a full practice mode, very close to a game sort of, but without the hitting.
Crosby also said he does plan to come back this season.
My guess? He comes back maybe around Christmas. Remember, full contact drills will be a whole different ballgame.
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Beans15
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Posted - 09/07/2011 : 11:15:40
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I didn't read/hear that he was 90% right now. The only time I heard the 90% was when they talked about slowing down his work outs.
Hitting will be completely different Slozo, you are correct. Not only that, I would suggest it will be at least a few weeks after he is cleared to practice with contact before they think about putting him into the game.
All I know is this, I think Crosby will not be a first round pick in my draft this season!! |
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TheRC
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Posted - 09/07/2011 : 11:22:45
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Yeah, best to avoid him in pools this year, unless you really feel like gambling on an early comeback.
Good to hear the doctors repeat that they strongly expect Crosby to make a full recovery and suffer no long term damage.
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Posted - 09/07/2011 : 11:45:58
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I didn't read/hear that he was 90% right now. The only time I heard the 90% was when they talked about slowing down his work outs.
We might just be mulling over semantics, but I thought that it was mentioned that at this time Sidney was at about 90% (by one of the doctors). He also answered one of the better questions, of Sid's "90%" not being even close to what most other people's "90%" is, and he likened Sidney Crosby to a finely tuned Ferrari, not a bad analogy really. Anyways, Crosby obviously has an extremely high bar, probably well above most other NHLers, in fact.
Be that as it may, his bar is what we have to go by, and I think for all the poolies out there, we should expect Novemberish at the earliest, January or All star break at the later end, with missing the entire season outright not very likely from what I can see.
Hey, that could still be 60, 70, 80 points.
Someone will still take him in the middle rounds, I'd think.
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Oilearl
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Posted - 09/07/2011 : 12:05:18
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| Would this change his positioning in the box pools? For example would he be moved from the top 2 or 3 point boxes with Ovie, Stamkos, etc. ? |
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Posted - 09/12/2011 : 06:38:16
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| I just drafted a keeper league and gladly took Crosby 6th overall. |
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nuxfan
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Posted - 09/12/2011 : 08:38:12
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| Oilearl - yes, Crosby's status has wreaked havoc on the boxpool that I run. The last couple of years I have created a special box for "superstars", which included only Crosby and OV - pick one. This year, I've had to expand the box to include a few other elite-but-not-true-superstars in order to fill it out, thus removing them from other boxes they would have been in. When you eliminate one of the top players from consideration, it has a cascade effect downwards. |
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Posted - 09/12/2011 : 10:20:41
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Well over 60% think he'll miss at least a month, probably more at this point (with quite a few thinking retirement will happen sooner rather than later). And when he comes back . . . who knows how he plays? My guess is he will play this season, and he'll be in great shape and ready mentally (he is a fantastic competitor) . . . but it's all about getting one bad knock on the noggin again, and all bets are off.
I am in a keeper pool where get to keep only our top 6 players, and the guy with Crosby says it'll be a draft day decision. Informally talking amongst ourselves, we know someone will pick him up if available, but when? My thought was 3rd, 4th round IF he still isn't skating in full practices at that point.
But at least one guy came up with an interesting point - he'd take Crosby first round - with the thinking that if this year is a bust, at least he'll have him for the year afterward as a keeper.
It'd be an interesting play . .. and as mentioned, even with say 50 games, at a diminished pace, he could still get you 60, 70 points, which still makes him a top ten, top 6 player on your team.
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nuxfan
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Posted - 09/12/2011 : 14:39:45
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It'd be an interesting play . .. and as mentioned, even with say 50 games, at a diminished pace, he could still get you 60, 70 points, which still makes him a top ten, top 6 player on your team.
Personally, I think you're dreaming if you think a player (even Crosby) can miss a year of hockey, and then come back and score at a > PPG rate immediately. If Sid did come back for 50 games next year, I'd be surprised if he had more than 30 points.
However, the keeper pool Crosby question is an interesting one. Without a doubt he's worth picking up in a keeper |
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Oilearl
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Posted - 09/12/2011 : 15:35:39
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| Thanks Nuxfan! As our pool is not finalized at work with this being a part of the question to make it fair. I'll pass on to the selectors this and other ideas!!! much appreciated... |
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Beans15
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Posted - 09/13/2011 : 17:22:05
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It'd be an interesting play . .. and as mentioned, even with say 50 games, at a diminished pace, he could still get you 60, 70 points, which still makes him a top ten, top 6 player on your team.
Personally, I think you're dreaming if you think a player (even Crosby) can miss a year of hockey, and then come back and score at a > PPG rate immediately. If Sid did come back for 50 games next year, I'd be surprised if he had more than 30 points.
However, the keeper pool Crosby question is an interesting one. Without a doubt he's worth picking up in a keeper
He did it before!! After missing 30+ games with a leg injury he came back to his best production the following season. Granted, he has missed more time and has a more significant injury this time, however I complete agree with Slozo that he would be good for more than PPG if he gets more than 1/2 the season in. |
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nuxfan
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Posted - 09/13/2011 : 21:33:34
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He did it before!! After missing 30+ games with a leg injury he came back to his best production the following season. Granted, he has missed more time and has a more significant injury this time, however I complete agree with Slozo that he would be good for more than PPG if he gets more than 1/2 the season in.
Are you talking about the ankle sprain he had the year Malkin rose to the occasion? I think missing 31 games in the middle of a season - but coming back at the end of the year and playing and then starting the following year - is far different than missing nearly half a season, the entire summer training, all of training camp, and then whatever part of this season he misses before he returns.
Players that miss training camp and can't train in the offseason invariably have pretty slow starts when they do come back. I don't think Crosby will be any different, and his first ~ 10 games will probably be him getting back into shape and into the game. Nah, I don't see him doing PPG if he comes back this year. |
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Posted - 09/14/2011 : 05:15:00
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He did it before!! After missing 30+ games with a leg injury he came back to his best production the following season. Granted, he has missed more time and has a more significant injury this time, however I complete agree with Slozo that he would be good for more than PPG if he gets more than 1/2 the season in.
Are you talking about the ankle sprain he had the year Malkin rose to the occasion? I think missing 31 games in the middle of a season - but coming back at the end of the year and playing and then starting the following year - is far different than missing nearly half a season, the entire summer training, all of training camp, and then whatever part of this season he misses before he returns.
Players that miss training camp and can't train in the offseason invariably have pretty slow starts when they do come back. I don't think Crosby will be any different, and his first ~ 10 games will probably be him getting back into shape and into the game. Nah, I don't see him doing PPG if he comes back this year.
I totally disagree with you "getting back in shape" comment.
If Crosby comes back, he will be in fantastic shape - he is already in game shape right now, apparently . . . it's just that he has a totally different standard when it comes to fitness. It's only the head issues holding him back, that's it.
So for me, if he comes back just after Christmas, I am only trying to guess if he plays more tentatively, or if he gets re-injured. Both of those certainly could mitigate his point totals.
Crosby at present had a 1.388 pts per game average.
For 50 games, that translates into 69 points.
So he will be highly motivated, in great shape, and won't have to suffer the rigors of a full season . . . but he may be tentative in some areas, we don't know for sure.
Those two things could even cancel each other out, or he might end up with 55, 60 points in that amount of games.
But I guarantee he WILL be in fantastic shape. His workout regimen is legendary as being a full step above anyone else's in the Penguins lockerroom, and his head injury does not prevent him from staying in relatively great shape to begin with (just can't go above "his" 80 - 90% . . . that means full out for most others).
For me, it's just all about the head, and how much punicshment he can take in the future. We'll never know that until it happens.
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