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Posted - 01/17/2012 :  17:39:11  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Poll Question:
Will Alexander Ovechkin find his superstar form for the second half of the 2011/12 NHL season?

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ryan93
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Canada
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Posted - 01/18/2012 :  09:31:53  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hard to say...I thought he had turned the corner a couple weeks ago when in a 12 game stretch he scored 9 goals & 14 points. But he's followed that streak up with a 6 game stretch where he's managed just 1 goal & 1 assist.
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Guest0123
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Posted - 01/21/2012 :  05:18:22  Reply with Quote
He's a Russian, and they get lazier in the second half of the season. Unless they are in contention for the Cup. I think that he will get hurt; this will be his unlucky year!
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Posted - 01/21/2012 :  05:33:10  Reply with Quote
He's Russian....

nuff said.
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slozo
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Posted - 01/21/2012 :  07:03:46  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Guest0123

He's a Russian, and they get lazier in the second half of the season. Unless they are in contention for the Cup. I think that he will get hurt; this will be his unlucky year!



WRONG!

Ovechkin's number's totally contradict what you assert.
Pre-Allstar break vs. post allstar break numbers

2010
Pre-Allstar: 51gp 19 goals, 32 assists, 51 points +14 6gwg
Post-Allstar: 28gp 13 goals, 21 assists, 34 pts +10 5 gwg

Looking back at the other years, he's about even for 2009, 2008 he's slightly better in the second half, and remarkably even the other years.

So . . . I would bet on Ovechkin actually doing BETTER (or maybe even) post all-star break, not worse.

I find these Russian comments pretty bigotted, IMHO. I blame Don Cherry.

"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug
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The Duke
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Canada
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Posted - 01/22/2012 :  18:04:16  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Ovechkin had to slow down his hitting ways or he would have had a short career....thats all that happened to Ovie.

Dishing out these bone crushing hits not only punish your opponents but also punish yourself. Wendall Clark is a prime example of this, this style of play takes its toll on the body.

No - one can keep up the pace Ovie played at for 82 games a season,( plus the playoffs ) year after year...it just can`t be done.

I think once he realized this he figured, short career ...equals...shorter time in the NHL....which leads to lost millions of green back
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nuxfan
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Posted - 01/22/2012 :  19:24:40  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by The Duke

Ovechkin had to slow down his hitting ways or he would have had a short career....thats all that happened to Ovie.

Dishing out these bone crushing hits not only punish your opponents but also punish yourself. Wendall Clark is a prime example of this, this style of play takes its toll on the body.

No - one can keep up the pace Ovie played at for 82 games a season,( plus the playoffs ) year after year...it just can`t be done.

I think once he realized this he figured, short career ...equals...shorter time in the NHL....which leads to lost millions of green back



I don't know - he seems to be on pace for another over-200 hit season, which is pretty high for a player of his offensive talents, he does play a very physical game. He's currently just outside the top-20 in hits this season, and last year finished top-10, in his worst ever statistical season. If anything, his hitting seems to be going up while his point production goes down or levels out.
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Guest7752
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Posted - 01/23/2012 :  08:59:58  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by slozo

quote:
Originally posted by Guest0123

He's a Russian, and they get lazier in the second half of the season. Unless they are in contention for the Cup. I think that he will get hurt; this will be his unlucky year!



WRONG!

Ovechkin's number's totally contradict what you assert.
Pre-Allstar break vs. post allstar break numbers

2010
Pre-Allstar: 51gp 19 goals, 32 assists, 51 points +14 6gwg
Post-Allstar: 28gp 13 goals, 21 assists, 34 pts +10 5 gwg

Looking back at the other years, he's about even for 2009, 2008 he's slightly better in the second half, and remarkably even the other years.

So . . . I would bet on Ovechkin actually doing BETTER (or maybe even) post all-star break, not worse.

I find these Russian comments pretty bigotted, IMHO. I blame Don Cherry.

"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug



I think you' are the one that's wrong slozo...

Guest mentioned "unless they are in contention for a Cup".... which is exactly what was going on when he put up the numbers you posted.
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slozo
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Canada
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Posted - 01/24/2012 :  08:31:47  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Guest7752

quote:
Originally posted by slozo

quote:
Originally posted by Guest0123

He's a Russian, and they get lazier in the second half of the season. Unless they are in contention for the Cup. I think that he will get hurt; this will be his unlucky year!



WRONG!

Ovechkin's number's totally contradict what you assert.
Pre-Allstar break vs. post allstar break numbers

2010
Pre-Allstar: 51gp 19 goals, 32 assists, 51 points +14 6gwg
Post-Allstar: 28gp 13 goals, 21 assists, 34 pts +10 5 gwg

Looking back at the other years, he's about even for 2009, 2008 he's slightly better in the second half, and remarkably even the other years.

So . . . I would bet on Ovechkin actually doing BETTER (or maybe even) post all-star break, not worse.

I find these Russian comments pretty bigotted, IMHO. I blame Don Cherry.

"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug



I think you' are the one that's wrong slozo...

Guest mentioned "unless they are in contention for a Cup".... which is exactly what was going on when he put up the numbers you posted.



So you think that in the second half of a season, Russians (includin Ovie) are lazier (and more injury prone?) if they are not in contention for the cup?

Seriously? Any proof for that?

Oh, and . . . if a team is going to or really close to making the playoffs, wouldn't that count as being in contention for the cup? So, riddle me this:

How come Ovechkin had his worst season in a playoff year when the Caps were seen as a top contender?


"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug
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Guest4227
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Posted - 01/24/2012 :  09:56:10  Reply with Quote
I haven't seen any evidence of this but I would be very suprised if some of these Caps are on some serious recreational drugs or just some heavy partying. Players I wouldn't be surprised if their names were associated with drugs are Ovie, Green right off the bat. Again I haven't heard anything about this, just my opinion from the outside.
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Guest5744
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Posted - 01/24/2012 :  09:57:41  Reply with Quote
haha i really doubt it
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Guest4227
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Posted - 01/24/2012 :  09:58:17  Reply with Quote
Sorry, very surprised if they WEREN'T on drugs or partying.
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Guest7961
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Posted - 01/24/2012 :  11:14:33  Reply with Quote
I know where he left his form: second drawer on the left side of his desk in his Soviet style library. On top of Gulag. Under Eisenhower.
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Guest9053
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Posted - 01/24/2012 :  12:43:41  Reply with Quote

It's not so much as he's russian, it's that most of the players from accross the pond just get lazy after they they get Superstar contracts!



quote:
Originally posted by Guest0123

He's a Russian, and they get lazier in the second half of the season. Unless they are in contention for the Cup. I think that he will get hurt; this will be his unlucky year!

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slozo
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Canada
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Posted - 01/25/2012 :  11:29:17  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Guest9053


It's not so much as he's russian, it's that most of the players from accross the pond just get lazy after they they get Superstar contracts!



quote:
Originally posted by Guest0123

He's a Russian, and they get lazier in the second half of the season. Unless they are in contention for the Cup. I think that he will get hurt; this will be his unlucky year!






PROOOOOOOOF PLEEEEEEEEEASE!

"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug
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Guest2792
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Posted - 02/05/2012 :  00:40:06  Reply with Quote
Firstly, I see no connection between points and hits (I realize in these forums you can't leave anything to chance so here : yes hits result in turnovers and turnovers result in goals sometimes) but just cuz you're hitting or not hitting doesn't mean your point production is gonna go up or down. Second, I dont like the idea of all Russians gettting grouped together as lazy, there have been and are alot of great hard working Russians in this league. Third, I do agree to some point there is a difference between American (or swedish, finnish for that matter) vs Russians. IMHO Russian's are raised in poverty and making it pro is the only way out. They work their butts off in all the levels of hockey to finally make it to the show then they work some more. Once they get their big contract and everything is secure and comfortable they get comfortable. can you blame them? after a couple years they dig in and get back on track.
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Guest4465
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Posted - 02/05/2012 :  02:44:05  Reply with Quote
Actually guys, Ovi 's using this as a joke to pick up chicks.

Ovi: Hi gurrr
Girl: Hello there
Ovi: I like you
Girl: Really?
Ovi: Yessssh you are pritty
Girl: Thank you
Ovi: I need to find my form
Girl: Where?
Ovi: In you pants, can I check it?

Ovi takes girl to his room.... (*winks .. its a working everytime)
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