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nashvillepreds
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 Posted - 11/20/2007 : 15:09:42
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In the hockey world this question tends to come up. Who is better, Roy or Brodeur?
I think Roy is a great goaltender but this one has to go to Brodeur. Roy was the first and arguably the best butterfly goalie who changed the game of hockey. Brodeur though invented his own unuique style which is kind of a mix of the two.
I don't what I have against Roy, he's a great goaltender, possibly the best but after his last season in Montreal I just lost all my respect that I had for him.
Brodeur is my pick though, just wondering what you guys have to say about it....
GO PREDATORS GO
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willus3
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Posted - 11/20/2007 : 16:04:20
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I'd take Roy.
Also, Roy was not the first butterfly goalie. There were a few, many years before him.
"I'm a man of principle... or not. Whatever the situation calls for." - Alan Shore |
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nashvillepreds
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Posted - 11/20/2007 : 16:09:28
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Sorry one of the first, my mistake. He was the guy to get it really noticed though.
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Guest6916
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Posted - 11/20/2007 : 16:43:42
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I think I would take Roy. I think he was the best modern day goalie to play the game. he had an incredible killer instinct and reflexes that I think even Luongo would like to have. He also went on some of the most indredible streaks imaginable (his playoff OT winning streak comes to mind)
The only knock against him was he was pretty cocky, but then again that may have been a part of his edge.
It's a tough call but for me it's Roy |
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Beans15
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Posted - 11/21/2007 : 09:23:37
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Look at a couple of key stats for goalies in my opinion (save % and shots/game)
Roy career average (Reg Season)
26.9 shots/game and a save % of .913
Brodeur career average(not including this year) (Reg Season)
25.6 shots/game and a save % of .915.
A shot a game difference might not seem like much, but over the course of even a season, that's 80 more shots that Roy would have faced. Using the averages, Roy faced 3 more games worth of shots over a season. Over a career, that's many more!! (If that makes sense).
Brodeur's GAA is better, no question. But I think you have to consider the eras and systems on this. Broduer in a trap system and Roy in more of an offensive system. Brodeur also didn't play against the Firewagon offenses of the 80's.
This isn't even looking at the playoff dominance of Patrick Roy.
Love him, hate him, respect him or not. Roy is, in my opinion, the best goalie in the history of the game.
Wayne or Bobby?? How about both!!! |
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Guest4912
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Posted - 11/21/2007 : 09:31:49
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| not only the key stats that Beans15 has brought up, but I beleieve that Roys legend is based around dominant playoff performances. Although I do have to give the consistency factor to the one and only Brodeur. I'd take Roy |
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ED11
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Posted - 11/21/2007 : 11:44:58
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| I believe that Martin Brodeur will pass Roy in all time wins eventually. But. I don't think that wins should be the main thing to look at when you are debating goalies. Save percentage should be the main thing. Not even GAA. When you think about it. Wins are a team thing. A goalie can have a great game and still lose. And a goalie can have a weak game but still win. Save % however, is purely based on the goalie. And Beans you bring up a great point about the shots. I didn't even know about that. Now, in the end, to me, it is comparing apples and oranges again. They both were/are great goalies dominating the game. Personally I like Brodeur better so I am leaning towards him. |
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Guest9274
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Posted - 11/21/2007 : 11:53:42
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| I believe Brodeur is by far the best. Sure they both have great career numbers, but Roy played his whole career on great teams in Montreal (which is the home of the trap by the way) and Colorado. While the Devils have been also a dominant team, they haven't had all of the star players that went through Montreal and Colorado. Most of their dominance has come from Brodeur, whereas many of Roy's wins were a result of the team he was on. |
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andyhack
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Posted - 11/21/2007 : 12:10:24
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[quote]Originally posted by Guest9274
I believe Brodeur is by far the best. Sure they both have great career numbers, but Roy played his whole career on great teams in Montreal (which is the home of the trap by the way) and Colorado. While the Devils have been also a dominant team, they haven't had all of the star players that went through Montreal and Colorado. Most of their dominance has come from Brodeur, whereas many of Roy's wins were a result of the team he was on.
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The teams in Montreal were NOT great!!!!!!!!!!!!! far from great. And not as good as any of Brodeur's teams which were generally very strong defensively.
Roy was HUGE HUGE HUGE (am I getting the point across?) for those Montreal Cup teams AND was HUGE for the 2001 Avs when they needed him most (which Brodeur wasn't that year by the way!!!).
Brodeur - great goalie - but I don't think he had two playoffs like Roy had for those Montreal teams.
Again, the word "HUGE" comes to mind.
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Pasty7
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Posted - 12/13/2007 : 17:04:49
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sorry for all you brodeur fans but hes not even top 5,, in my opinion roy was a level above brodeur esily,, lets face it the only team in the nhl that needs a goalie less then Detroit is New Jersey.... i like brodeur great goalie one of the best but i think he wouldn't have naywhere close to the statistical success he has had if he had played elsewhere,,, key work there being statistical..... not to mention the most important stat of roy's and the one no goalie will break.... 156 playoff wins second best is grant fur with 92 i think.... brodeur has 85
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willus3
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Posted - 12/13/2007 : 18:07:05
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Originally posted by Alex
Andy is one hundred percent right on that one. Brodeur played under the team that pattented the trap. They were the most defensive team, arguably, in history, as they made the trasition between offense first and defense first hockey. Roy was single handedly left to make them champs.
Habs get number 25 this year
You should probably do a little research on the trap and defensive systems. Hockey has been around awhile. It didn't start in the 90's.
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PuckNuts
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Posted - 12/13/2007 : 20:36:25
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They look some what even to me...
Reg/Sea Years GP Min W W% L T OL/SO GA
Roy 19 1029 60234 551 53.55 315 131 0 2546
Brodeur 14 891 52673 494 55.44 263 105 14 1931
Reg/Sea Years GAA Shots SH/GM SA% SO G A PIM
Roy 19 2.54 28353 28 0.910 66 0 45 262
Brodeur 14 2.20 22167 25 0.913 92 1 27 100
Playoff Years GP Min W W% L - - GA
Roy 17 247 15208 151 61.13 94 - - 584
Brodeur 13 164 10221 94 57.32 70 - - 328
Playoff Years GAA Shots SH/GM SA% SO G A PIM
Roy 17 2.30 7149 29 0.918 23 0 11 54
Brodeur 13 1.93 4243 26 0.923 22 1 8 28
Totals Years GP Min W W% L T OL/SO GA
Roy 19 1276 75442 702 55.02 409 131 0 3130
Brodeur 14 1055 62894 588 55.73 333 105 14 2259
Totals Years GAA Shots SH/GM SA% SO G A PIM
Roy 19 2.42 35502 28 0.914 89 0 56 316
Brodeur 14 2.065 26410 25 0.918 114 2 35 128
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Posted - 12/14/2007 : 07:46:58
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As great as Marty is, I have to go with Roy, even though he was a cocky sonofabitch. He went on those incredible streaks, he was clutch, and he didn't have a defensive trap system playing in front of him.
It's close, and goodness knows I hate Montreal - but it's Roy by a nose. |
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Jeremy12
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Posted - 12/14/2007 : 16:10:52
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Of course everyone is going to take Roy because he's basically the leader for goalies.
We can only make this decision when Brodeur retires
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Beans15
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Posted - 12/15/2007 : 09:44:11
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Not really Jeremy. Reason being is that if they both ended up with the exact same stats, same trophies, same number of Cups, I would still go with Roy. Even if Brodeur's numbers are better I still go with Roy. Patrick Roy is one of maybe 6-8 players in the history of the game that, for the last of better words, single handedly won the Stanley Cup. Brodeur was always part of the reason that NJ won, but never the only reason.
And Roy didn't do it once, he did it twice. Those to playoffs alone will have him on the top of my list. If Broduer was to win the Cup say this year, with a pretty weak team in front of him, I would have a much harder decision.
I don't think most if not any (except for Andy) are giving any credit to the absolute brilliance that Roy played with in '86 and '93. Think of it this way, in '93 he went head to head with the greatest offensive player in the history of the game and won.
Wayne or Bobby?? How about both!!! |
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I HATE CROSBY
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Canada
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Posted - 12/15/2007 : 14:14:48
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Well, I personally believe that Patrick Roy is not only the greatest goalie of all-time, I think he's the greatest player of all-time...But I am obviously in the minority there, hahaha.
If I'm not mistaken, he has the record for most Conne Smythe trophies. The two times he won the cup with the Habs, he was about 90% of the team. I can't say enough about that guy, he is the reason why Quebec produced so many great goaltenders...All with a very Roy-like style; that's the way all young goalies were taught over there.
Marty's great, but never once have a seen him dominate as much as Patrick...remember his 60 save goose-egg against Florida in 1996?
However, the most amazing thing he did, and I believe one of the ballsiest things a hockey player has ever done was in the first round in 94, against Boston. He had his appendix removed (or something like that), missed a game, then demanded they let him play the next game....he made around 40 saves that game , and won!
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Edited by - I HATE CROSBY on 12/15/2007 14:20:35 |
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