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SuperSakic
Rookie
Canada
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 Posted - 12/20/2007 : 09:55:03
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Does anyone else feel like the Pens have totally disrespected a guy like Recchi? I understand that hockey's a business. But, since Recchi has been picked up by Atlanta, he has been scoring pretty regulary. Now, do you blame the Pens, and maybe their style of play is just not a true team-system, but rather a make-up of a bunch of selfish individuals who have some skill? Or, maybe Atlanta is just that much better?
Or maybe, it's a simpler issue in that Atlanta has better players than the Pens?
I personally think that it is the Pens trying to play a young-kid's game in a grownup's world.
They could have traded him and probably gotten something half-decent back for him, but noooo. It's off to the waiver farm for him!
I am glad that Recchi is now being able to give the finger to team that unceremoniously kicked him to the curb.
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PuckNuts
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
2414 Posts |
Posted - 12/20/2007 : 10:05:30
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I think that Pittsburgh made a conscious decision to go with their youth. When the team was not winning they had to look at either Roberts, or Recchi. He was not playing all that well, and if Pittsburgh was to make a trade they would have been lucky to get a 5th or 6th round choice, and my guess is that no team was interested.
I think Pittsburgh did him a favor, and he is making the best of it.
Although it does look bad as he has three goals in the past 4 games that he has played for Atlanta, it is Pittsburgh’s loss, and Atlanta’s gain…
I hope he can keep it up the rest of the season…
I don't necessarily agree with everything I say.
- - Marshall McLuhan
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fly4apuckguy
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 12/21/2007 : 19:44:50
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I've been calling for Recchi to retire since October. Go ahead, check my posts.
I think it was disrespectful for him to not retire, but yeah, the Pens didn't handle it very well. Sometimes guys have to be dragged off the ice, though. |
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MSC
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 12/21/2007 : 20:11:13
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You're kidding yourself if you think the reason Recchi is playing better in Atlanta is because they have more talent then Pitts. The reason he's playing better in Atlanta is quite the opposite, it's because they have less talent. With less skill on the team comes more playing time which leads to more opportunities which in turn leads to more points for Recchi. Another factor that is helping his increase in scoring is the power play. Recchi didn't have a hope in hell of cracking Pitts 1st PP unit and had a very very very slim chance of getting any time with the 2nd unit. Thanks to Atlantas lack of talent Recchi is now getting time on the PP, and it doesn't take a brain surgeon to know that PP time equals scoring chances which equals points. The Pens play a team game, but if Recchi is to slow to keep up with the rest of the team how does he expect to be included?
I think Pitts handled this situation the best way they could have. Recchi was a healty scratch for alot of the season thus far, I'm sure they were shopping him around trying to land a goalie. That certainly didn't pan out, so instead of keep scratching him hoping for someone to offer a trade they released him which allowed him to sign elsewhere. At the end of the day the Pens did him a favor by releasing, there was no disrespect involved he just doesn't fit in with the team anymore. |
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Pasty7
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
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Posted - 12/22/2007 : 03:40:03
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Originally posted by fly4apuckguy
I've been calling for Recchi to retire since October. Go ahead, check my posts.
I think it was disrespectful for him to not retire, but yeah, the Pens didn't handle it very well. Sometimes guys have to be dragged off the ice, though.
the guy is up there with the all time points leaders and he did get himself 60 last year
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PainTrain
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
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Posted - 12/22/2007 : 09:27:16
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Originally posted by Pasty7
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Originally posted by fly4apuckguy
I've been calling for Recchi to retire since October. Go ahead, check my posts.
I think it was disrespectful for him to not retire, but yeah, the Pens didn't handle it very well. Sometimes guys have to be dragged off the ice, though.
the guy is up there with the all time points leaders and he did get himself 60 last year
Pasty
He did play with Crosby last year. That will help to get you 60 points.
I would only keep Recchi for his leadership. As of right now he is a third or 4th liner who just brings his veteran leadership to the dressing room.
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Patchy
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 12/23/2007 : 21:52:34
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It's good that Recchi is still performing well at his age, but in Pittsburgh I think they let him go because they got all they could out of him. I'm sure he liked playing there and all, but it seemed he was getting sloppier in his play, and earning less icetime. It's good to see that he's playing well in Atlanta because I'd like to see him finish his season (maybe even career) off well instead of playing in the minors for Wilkes-Barre (?). No disrespect by the pens though, Recchi just needs to learn how to take a hint 
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MarkhamMax
Rookie
Canada
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Posted - 12/23/2007 : 22:18:50
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I have to concur with MSC on this one. It's pretty bang on.
I'm just happy to be getting some points out of Mr Recchi again, considering the dent his benched butt put in my pool roster. In my pool there are: No trades. All players count against total - not just top 10. If a player is injured all season - tough.
The only thing I could have hoped for was a trade, or retirement. We call it the 'Rule of Brett Hull'. If a player retires after the season has started it is grounds for a player swap.
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Nuckster66
Top Prospect
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Posted - 12/23/2007 : 23:43:33
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Recchi is not a 3rd or 4th liner. In fact, if any of you read his reply after being picked up. He said he was on the 1st and 2nd lines and had 8 pts in 8 games, and then was bumped to the 3rd line for NO REASON. 8 pt in 8 games is not a slow start for a guy like Recchi! It's acually a good start for anyone in the NHL who doesn't make more than 4.5 million dollars. He even went ahead and said that he wants to play well in ATL to prove them wrong, cause he thinks Therrien (who also has had a bad past with players and placing them in the dog pound to fast and to often) went ahead and dropped him down for no reason. I personally don't like Therrien anyhow.
It is a fact that Recchi will get more Ice-time in ATL. And yes he may be on there top PP. But not having a chance in hell on cracking PItt's top PP ? that is BS. They have CROSBY, MALKIN, GONCHAR! Those are the only 3 guys that are untouchable on that PP. Now they even put Colby Armstrong on there ! Who i had high hopes for last year and he only ended up with like 20 some odd pts I believe. And Sykora is a player who started off the year with Crosby and has been dropped cause he isn't getting the kinda pts they expected out of him. Jordan Staal is having an HORRRRRRIBLE year, he also started with Crosby and was dropped down to the 2nd and then 3rd line. The only person who they have placed with Crosby that hasn't been dropped due to talent and production is MALKIN. And they need him to form a 2nd scoring threat.
GOOD Luck to Recchi, i hope he crack 60 pts again! and i hope him and other older guys get the respect they deserve! U wanna sign a older player who still has what it takes ? Then don't treat him like he's a 20 year old kid coming up from the AHL! and place him with skilled guys! They are not gonna score playing with CHECKERS! They didn't score when they were in there Prime with checkers why the hell would they be able to at the age of 39 ! |
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SuperSakic
Rookie
Canada
192 Posts |
Posted - 12/31/2007 : 09:03:08
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Originally posted by Nuckster66
Recchi is not a 3rd or 4th liner. In fact, if any of you read his reply after being picked up. He said he was on the 1st and 2nd lines and had 8 pts in 8 games, and then was bumped to the 3rd line for NO REASON. 8 pt in 8 games is not a slow start for a guy like Recchi! It's acually a good start for anyone in the NHL who doesn't make more than 4.5 million dollars. He even went ahead and said that he wants to play well in ATL to prove them wrong, cause he thinks Therrien (who also has had a bad past with players and placing them in the dog pound to fast and to often) went ahead and dropped him down for no reason. I personally don't like Therrien anyhow.
It is a fact that Recchi will get more Ice-time in ATL. And yes he may be on there top PP. But not having a chance in hell on cracking PItt's top PP ? that is BS. They have CROSBY, MALKIN, GONCHAR! Those are the only 3 guys that are untouchable on that PP. Now they even put Colby Armstrong on there ! Who i had high hopes for last year and he only ended up with like 20 some odd pts I believe. And Sykora is a player who started off the year with Crosby and has been dropped cause he isn't getting the kinda pts they expected out of him. Jordan Staal is having an HORRRRRRIBLE year, he also started with Crosby and was dropped down to the 2nd and then 3rd line. The only person who they have placed with Crosby that hasn't been dropped due to talent and production is MALKIN. And they need him to form a 2nd scoring threat.
GOOD Luck to Recchi, i hope he crack 60 pts again! and i hope him and other older guys get the respect they deserve! U wanna sign a older player who still has what it takes ? Then don't treat him like he's a 20 year old kid coming up from the AHL! and place him with skilled guys! They are not gonna score playing with CHECKERS! They didn't score when they were in there Prime with checkers why the hell would they be able to at the age of 39 !
Nuckerster66, I don't think I could have said it any better...I think that people think too highly of the Pens game. They aren't as good as everybody gives them credit for. They had a good player in Recchi. But, I feel, they just misused his talents. I think the coach will be the next one to go from that team... |
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Guest6648
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Posted - 01/01/2008 : 01:17:45
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Originally posted by SuperSakic
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Originally posted by Nuckster66
Recchi is not a 3rd or 4th liner. In fact, if any of you read his reply after being picked up. He said he was on the 1st and 2nd lines and had 8 pts in 8 games, and then was bumped to the 3rd line for NO REASON. 8 pt in 8 games is not a slow start for a guy like Recchi! It's acually a good start for anyone in the NHL who doesn't make more than 4.5 million dollars. He even went ahead and said that he wants to play well in ATL to prove them wrong, cause he thinks Therrien (who also has had a bad past with players and placing them in the dog pound to fast and to often) went ahead and dropped him down for no reason. I personally don't like Therrien anyhow.
It is a fact that Recchi will get more Ice-time in ATL. And yes he may be on there top PP. But not having a chance in hell on cracking PItt's top PP ? that is BS. They have CROSBY, MALKIN, GONCHAR! Those are the only 3 guys that are untouchable on that PP. Now they even put Colby Armstrong on there ! Who i had high hopes for last year and he only ended up with like 20 some odd pts I believe. And Sykora is a player who started off the year with Crosby and has been dropped cause he isn't getting the kinda pts they expected out of him. Jordan Staal is having an HORRRRRRIBLE year, he also started with Crosby and was dropped down to the 2nd and then 3rd line. The only person who they have placed with Crosby that hasn't been dropped due to talent and production is MALKIN. And they need him to form a 2nd scoring threat.
GOOD Luck to Recchi, i hope he crack 60 pts again! and i hope him and other older guys get the respect they deserve! U wanna sign a older player who still has what it takes ? Then don't treat him like he's a 20 year old kid coming up from the AHL! and place him with skilled guys! They are not gonna score playing with CHECKERS! They didn't score when they were in there Prime with checkers why the hell would they be able to at the age of 39 !
Nuckerster66, I don't think I could have said it any better...I think that people think too highly of the Pens game. They aren't as good as everybody gives them credit for. They had a good player in Recchi. But, I feel, they just misused his talents. I think the coach will be the next one to go from that team...
Well said from me too. |
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Beans15
Moderator
Canada
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Posted - 01/01/2008 : 10:10:37
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Look, I am a huge Recchi fan. Always have been, but to call him a bonified 1st line player is more than a bit of a stretch. 2nd line, sure, but not all all teams in the league. On the elite 5-10 teams in the league, he would be a 3rd liner. On the teams 10 teams in the middle of the league, he would be a 2nd liner. And of the bottom 10 teams in the league, he might be a 1st liner on 5 of them.
And before you start attacking me, look at not only his numbers but his play. I have not watched a lot of Recchi as I live out West, but of what I have watched, he is easily beat with speed. Also, he is-8 in 30 games this year. He's become a bit of a liability out there.
Offensively speaking, he still has a nose for the net. He is worth having in the locker room as well. He can play key PP minutes and play on the 2nd or 3rd line. Looking at Pitt, they need that and should not have let him go. I think it was a little classless what they did, but in any respect, look at it logically and think of it as a GM or coach and not a fan. Mark Recchi is a shadow of his former self.
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SuperSakic
Rookie
Canada
192 Posts |
Posted - 01/02/2008 : 07:10:33
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Originally posted by Beans15
Look, I am a huge Recchi fan. Always have been, but to call him a bonified 1st line player is more than a bit of a stretch. 2nd line, sure, but not all all teams in the league. On the elite 5-10 teams in the league, he would be a 3rd liner. On the teams 10 teams in the middle of the league, he would be a 2nd liner. And of the bottom 10 teams in the league, he might be a 1st liner on 5 of them.
And before you start attacking me, look at not only his numbers but his play. I have not watched a lot of Recchi as I live out West, but of what I have watched, he is easily beat with speed. Also, he is-8 in 30 games this year. He's become a bit of a liability out there.
Offensively speaking, he still has a nose for the net. He is worth having in the locker room as well. He can play key PP minutes and play on the 2nd or 3rd line. Looking at Pitt, they need that and should not have let him go. I think it was a little classless what they did, but in any respect, look at it logically and think of it as a GM or coach and not a fan. Mark Recchi is a shadow of his former self.
Wayne or Bobby?? How about both!!!
You raise some good points Beans. But you said it yourself. Pitts is not really an elite team (although some sports networks would like to believe otherwise). They still could have used Recchi's talents. Pitts just didn't know how to go about it. Sure, he may not be first-line material any longer, but I think he is just as good as anyone they have on their second line. I think if you can't use a talent like Recchi, your coaching skills are not up to NHL standards.
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Alex
PickupHockey All-Star
Canada
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Posted - 01/06/2008 : 06:30:38
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I think the bigger issue is that the Pens are going a bit overboard with the youth. With the loss of Lemieux, Palffy, and now Recchi, Roberts is next and I don't think it helps. They need an established veteran with 12-15 seasons under his belt to be able to give them the aspect they are missing.
Maybe we are all wrong. They are fourth in the east, they were fifth last year. Lemieux probably knows better than we do, I say we sit and watch before going to deep into an issue that a couple months can solve.
Then again, come playoff time, we'll see how the nerves of glass whither.
Cough cough, Fleury.
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