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irvine
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
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 Posted - 12/29/2007 : 13:16:40
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How about that John Tavares?
2 Goals in 2 games going in to the Canada VS Sweden game, at this years 2008 WJHC (IIHF.)
Both goals came in their game against the Czechs, but he has proved himself yet again.
Canada down 3-2, on a 5-3 powerplay. The stick work down low, around the net was great. He's beginning to look more and more like the real deal. In my opinion anyways.
And at the time of writing this, the Swedes scored with 7 seconds left. a 4-3 win. :/ I'm dissapointed, but we still have a chance.
Go Canadians Go!
Irvine
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PainTrain
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
1393 Posts |
Posted - 12/29/2007 : 13:22:51
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| Quite unfortunate for the loss. Two of the Sweden goals were knocked in from skates. Tavares is proving himself though. He will start getting more Even Strength time. He has great vision on the ice. He doesn't have real blinding speed but he is a very intelligent player. |
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Alex
PickupHockey All-Star
Canada
2816 Posts |
Posted - 01/06/2008 : 06:49:05
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A lot of people have suggested that teams in last should focus on being able to land him as a draft choice
Think he'll go number one, and if so, think he is worth losing for? I'd say he will go number one, I wouldn't lose for him. Crosby I would have lost for with about 10 games left, Malkin with 5...
But it is a disservice to the fans and I do not think it's right.
Habs get number 25 this year |
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irvine
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
1315 Posts |
Posted - 01/06/2008 : 16:22:39
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I do believe he will go number one in the draft, once he is eligable. Which is not next draft, but the one after.
Would I lose for him? No.
Hockey is about pride. You may be in dead last, out of the playoffs. With 10 games to go, and a chance to not finish dead last. Go for it.
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MSC
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
601 Posts |
Posted - 01/06/2008 : 19:36:58
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Alex
PickupHockey All-Star
Canada
2816 Posts |
Posted - 01/07/2008 : 14:48:12
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a) Where is this mentioned b) What is the punishment c) How could they prove it
I believe MSC what you say; but in all honestly, if hollywood can make Harry Potter look real, a couple of athletes who have lost all season should know how it's done
Habs get number 25 this year |
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Beans15
Moderator
Canada
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Posted - 01/07/2008 : 15:42:28
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I can't speak for the NHL, but I know there has been this issue in Football(what you are call soccer) in Europe, most recently Italy.
Basically, it comes down to gambling. If a team intentionally loses a game, it could have serious fanancial impact to the gambling industy. I know it the latest "match fixing" scandels in Europe, teams were fined huge sums of money, lost points in their league, and in some cases got knocked down to a lower division. The other fact is that you can loose today to potential reap the rewards later.
I can only assume, but if the NHL had direct information that a team was intentionally losing to get the first draft pick, the league would more than likely take that, and possibly more, draft picks away from them.
Wayne or Bobby?? How about both!!! |
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irvine
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
1315 Posts |
Posted - 01/07/2008 : 15:55:18
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I would agree with Beans on this.
If they had the information, and can prove they were cheating to gain the first overall draft pick, I would assume they would lose that draft pick all togeather.
Perhaps, no second or third draft pick. (of course, this is an assumption.)
And honestly, I'd be all for it.
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Alex
PickupHockey All-Star
Canada
2816 Posts |
Posted - 01/07/2008 : 16:50:27
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So would I.
But what about if you play a bunch of young guys who didn't crack the roster all season. That way you lose, and they get some experience.
Can the league find you, legally not morally, at fault? You wanted to train your young guys and farm players and thought the veterans were playin sloppy.
Habs get number 25 this year |
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PuckNuts
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
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Posted - 01/07/2008 : 17:00:09
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You have a 23 man roster, if you want to play the young players that you have in your system chances are that you will have to put your good players on waivers to make room...Once they are waivers any team can pick them up for nothing...Not a good idea...
Tavares played well in the WJ's but not well enough to be considerd in the 2008 draft, he will have to wait until 2009...
Of coarse you know that this means war!
- - Bugs Bunny
http://www.maldesigns.ca/top50since1967.htm
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Guest7007
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Posted - 01/07/2008 : 17:54:16
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Originally posted by Alex
A lot of people have suggested that teams in last should focus on being able to land him as a draft choice
Think he'll go number one, and if so, think he is worth losing for?
Don't forget also that it is not guranteed that the last placed team will get the first pick overall. The last placed team has the highest probability to get the first pick, but it is not guaranteed.
Chicago was 5th last in 06-07 but picked first over Philly, Phoenix, Washington and LA for the first overall. |
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spade632
Rookie
Canada
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Posted - 01/07/2008 : 18:28:40
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Tavares isn't eligible for the 2008 draft. He's only eligible in 2009. He did have a good showing at the world juniors. Next year in Ottawa should be great. The Drive for Five is Alive.
Also, arranging to have the first pick by losing has been done, sort of. Sam Pollock sent a player to Oakland in exchange for their first round pick. When it became clear that LA was going to finish last, Pollock traded veteran help to LA to boost them into second last so that he'd get the number 1 pick from Oakland. He used that pick to snag Guy Lafleur. |
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irvine
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
1315 Posts |
Posted - 01/07/2008 : 22:12:22
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I never once said he would be considered for that draft. In fact, I said he would be waiting for his actual draft year.
Posted - 01/06/2008 : 16:22:39 I do believe he will go number one in the draft, once he is eligable. Which is not next draft, but the one after.
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spade632
Rookie
Canada
247 Posts |
Posted - 01/08/2008 : 14:01:27
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Originally posted by irvine
I never once said he would be considered for that draft. In fact, I said he would be waiting for his actual draft year.
That's true.
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Originally posted by PuckNuts
Tavares played well in the WJ's but not well enough to be considerd in the 2008 draft, he will have to wait until 2009...
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Originally posted by Alex
Wait a minute, Lafleur was picked by the Habs.
He definitely was. Pollock was the Habs' GM.
Here's part of a Red Fisher article on the draft.
Red Fisher writes:
RED FISHER, The Gazette
Published: Tuesday, October 16 2007
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Guy Lafleur: Taken No. 1 overall by Montreal in the 1971 amateur draft, a choice acquired the previous season from the Oakland Seals for Ernie Hicke and the Canadiens' first-round choice in 1970.
The Canadiens also got defenceman François Lacombe and cash in the deal on May 22, 1970 The buzz about Guy Lafleur started when he was barely halfway into his teens. At 16, in his first season with the junior Quebec Aces, he scored 30 goals. The next year, 50 goals and 60 assists in 43 games. At 18, this boy from a pulp-and-paper town (Thurso) scored 103 goals and 67 assists in 56 games with his team - now called the Remparts.
His final junior season in 1970-71 produced 130 goals and 79 assists in 62 games.
Quebec City had never seen anything like him ... not even when the matchless Jean Béliveau was delivering his magic in that city two decades earlier.
The young Lafleur was one of those rare talents who was a man even while he was a boy. His speed, his quickness, his shot and matinée-idol good looks had a deeply rooted French flavour to them. Night after night, game after game, he would electrify audiences everywhere. He was junior hockey's royalty, its sweet prince. Every NHL team wanted him, but it appeared that the mediocre Los Angeles Kings, who were to finish dead last in the 12-team NHL with a 14-52-10 record in 1970, were virtual certainties to get Lafleur in the 1971 amateur draft.
Canadiens GM Sam Pollock had other ideas.
One year before Lafleur was eligible for the draft, Pollock somehow managed to convince Oakland Seals management - whose team had finished fourth in the West Division, 20 points ahead of the Kings - to agree to a trade.
Pollock sent fringe forward Ernie Hicke and the Canadiens' first-round choice in 1970 (Chris Oddliefson) to the Seals in exchange for defenceman François Lacombe, cash and the Seals' first-round pick in 1971.
Pollock didn't stop there. On Jan. 26, 1971, he sent his talented centreman Ralph Backstrom to the struggling Kings for Gord Labossière and Ray Fortin with only one idea in mind: to strengthen the Kings sufficiently so that they would at least finish ahead of the Seals in Lafleur's draft year.
That was Pollock: always looking ahead. Los Angeles, with Backstrom, was an improved team. California finished last with a meagre 45 points in what had become a 14-team league. The Canadiens had Lafleur.
http://www.canada.com/montrealgazette/news/sports/story.html?id=08838e8f-e8be-4010-a950-758163193de9
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tbar
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
376 Posts |
Posted - 01/08/2008 : 14:20:18
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| That has got to be the absolute best move any GM has ever done or even thought of. Very impresive and creative. |
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hockster
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
437 Posts |
Posted - 01/08/2008 : 17:14:40
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He is playing Great hockey
He can easily become a first line NHLer.
Doing great.
2 goals 2 games!
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hockster
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
437 Posts |
Posted - 01/08/2008 : 19:03:17
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hockster
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
437 Posts |
Posted - 01/08/2008 : 19:10:35
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Yes...
You never can tell but he has the all around qualities of a nhler
He may not make it
But also he might
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hockster
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
437 Posts |
Posted - 01/08/2008 : 19:43:31
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ya lets quit it and stop argueing about everything.
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