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hockster
PickupHockey Pro
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 Posted - 01/08/2008 : 18:18:17
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Poll Question:
Who is the better goalie?
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hockster
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Posted - 01/08/2008 : 18:56:27
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Truly is
But is he proven? |
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Guest8815
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Posted - 01/08/2008 : 18:58:52
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quote:
Originally posted by hockster
Truly is
But is he proven?
Tell me this, is one dazzling playoff performance enough to get yourself proven? |
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Guest8815
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Posted - 01/08/2008 : 19:05:21
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Originally posted by Alex
I am not sure if that was sarcastic, but no, it is not. I do think he is a very good goalie, but it is a hard choice in Edmonton
Habs get number 25 this year
No it wasn't sarcastic, Hockster said is Garon proven....Well some may say no, some may say yes, personally not yet he isn't. But why I asked is Roloson's 06 playoff performance enough to consider him proven, again in my mind no. So right now we have 2 un-proven goalies which doesn't really matter to me a good goalie is a good goalie, a okay proven goalie isn't as good as a good goalie. So if we have 2 un-proven goalies why wouldn't you play the one that is performing better and is doing very well. |
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hockster
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Posted - 01/08/2008 : 19:05:56
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They need to get someone.
Who would they get rid of? |
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Guest8815
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Posted - 01/08/2008 : 19:08:20
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| Well if you are thinking in terms of trading one away why would you post :which is the better goalie?" ? But anyways if you read the "Possible Trade?" forum (it was me, I just don't feel like logging on) it will answer your question. |
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hockster
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Canada
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Posted - 01/08/2008 : 19:08:33
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Well i no they wont even be in the playoff race but who can they pickup in a year?
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hockster
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Posted - 01/08/2008 : 19:11:44
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| i Guess but it seems like today it is hard to pick up a good goalie. |
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Guest8815
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Posted - 01/08/2008 : 19:14:37
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http://www.pickuphockey.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=3167
Read it. I think it would be the best move because we are in the rebuilding process and there is a good chance we won't make the playoffs, so if we can get rid of Roloson for a draft pick(s) and a Prospect(s) would be a great move. Getting rid of an old goaltender not doing much and career nearing it's end for some future palyers to help the Oilers reach the Cup yet again in the near future. |
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hockster
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Posted - 01/08/2008 : 19:18:47
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| if you were a gm for a different team would you really want to pick up roloson. I wouldnt. Look at his season this year. So what if he had good playoffs. Has he done anything great other than that. |
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Guest8815
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Posted - 01/08/2008 : 19:24:30
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Okay honestly every post I read of yours you change your mind and you aren't actually reading what I am saying your prbably just skimming through. One more time.......
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Read it. I think it would be the best move because we are in the rebuilding process and there is a good chance we won't make the playoffs, so if we can get rid of Roloson for a draft pick(s) and a Prospect(s) would be a great move. Getting rid of an old goaltender not doing much and career nearing it's end for some future palyers to help the Oilers reach the Cup yet again in the near future.
and did I say for a star player and a 1st round draft pick? NO. I said draft pick(s) and porspects(s). That could mean say a 5th and 6th round pick and a player picked in the 4th round of the draft. Im saying if possible to get rid of him, DO IT! Im not saying I bet he'll be the most fought after at the deadline and we'll be able to get a star player for him. Take your time read my words, think em through, analyze em and PUT SOME THOUGHT INTO YOUR OWN POSTS. |
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hockster
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Posted - 01/08/2008 : 19:28:55
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i think even alex will back me up on this one.
What happens if they get rid of him and then cant pick up another goalie in the off season?
Who will backup Garon?
Goalies are tough to get. |
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Guest8815
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Posted - 01/08/2008 : 19:35:04
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Originally posted by hockster
i think even alex will back me up on this one.
What happens if they get rid of him and then cant pick up another goalie in the off season?
Who will backup Garon?
Goalies are tough to get.
Okay, read EVERY SINGLE word I say.
Did you read:
http://www.pickuphockey.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=3167?
Beans mentioned that we have some talented goaltenders down in the minors by the names of Jeff Drouin-Deslaurier and Devan Dubnyk. Either of them could be a backup maybe a 4 games for Garon, 1 game for Backup type situation. They would get some needed NHL experience and Garon would take over the for sure #1 spot and we would get rid of Roloson who is practically rotting away on the bench. |
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Guest8815
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Posted - 01/08/2008 : 19:40:57
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| Ok maybe not rotting, We play him for a game or two he shines in one than falls apart the next so we give Garon a game and he shines for about 3 than they bring poor ol' Roli trying to get him going, he stands on his head and wins us a game then next game 3 terrible goals and it's back to the bench foir him. Maybe rotting isn't the best term but believe me he's slowly fading away. |
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hockster
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Canada
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Posted - 01/08/2008 : 19:41:21
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With the young goaltenders i think your right. But as backups do you think they will be ready next season?
i Bet garon will play only 60 games
Is one of those kids ready to 22 games.
It may ruin them.
They either need to keep both goalies till end of next season or pick a more proven goalie up. |
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Guest8815
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Posted - 01/08/2008 : 19:51:48
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| Seeing as there is only 38 games left I'd say it would be closer to 30 games for Garon and about 8 for the rookie which I think would help em out alot. And then hopefully we could either A) pickup a FA, B) draft a highly scouted goalie and wait for him to develop, C) Sign a veteran goalie for cheap so we have lots of money for FA', renewing contracts etc. and he will help out our young goalies. D) Make a trade for a reliable backup that isn't too pricey. I think our best bets are A) and C). |
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hockster
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Posted - 01/08/2008 : 19:56:37
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A and C are basically the same thing.
But if you can pickup a backup then get rid of roloson.
but isnt Roloson a veteran backup?
What would be the point of getting another one of him then? |
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Guest8815
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Posted - 01/08/2008 : 20:06:34
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HONESTLY YOU ARE PISSING ME OFF!!! Have you read http://www.pickuphockey.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=3167 ??
Beans said his salary is 3.5M this year and 3M next year. Why would you pay that much for a backup? But that is also another reason why he will be hard to trade away. But yes A) and C) are similar and I should have said it differently I meant A) Sign a UFA/RFA at end of season. C) Sign a veteran goalie for cheap such as Belfour or Joseph to free up some money, get a veteran presence for young goalies and get a a solid few games out of them when Garon needs a rest. |
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Guest8815
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Posted - 01/08/2008 : 20:09:05
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| Im out you haven't changed my mind, I believe what i have the whole time. |
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hockster
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 01/08/2008 : 20:11:05
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whoa
dont go crazy
i get where you are coming from but its wrong! |
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MSC
PickupHockey Pro
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Posted - 01/08/2008 : 20:35:10
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| Roloson is 38 years old. If he hasn't proven himself by now he's not going to. It's silly to debate who the main goalie in Edmonton is, or to wonder who is going to develop into the number one goalie. Roloson's days in the NHL are very much numbered, and his remaining days will be as a over priced back up. |
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tbar
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Posted - 01/09/2008 : 06:38:00
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I said it then and ill say it now the Oil should have never sighned him for that long. He deserved what he got the year after the cup run...he had the team on his back....but he only should have got a 1 year contract. As far as trading him goes you might get a 2nd and 3rd round pick. He has no value.
garon is the better of the 2 and if the Oil are gona sneak in the playoffs their gona have to give him 4 of 5 starts. |
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Beans15
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Posted - 01/09/2008 : 07:36:27
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OK, I have a few things to say.
Firstly, as a moderator, I must ask people to post quality not quantity. Thee lines comprised of 15 words is a waste of everyone's time. Put something with substance or don't put anything at all.
Secondly, regarding this topic. IF, and I mean big IF, the Oilers could trade Roloson for just about anything worth less that $3.5 million this year and $3 million next year, it would be a good move. Reason being is that BOTH of the goalies they have in the AHL system could back up TODAY!! Secondly, there are goalies to be had in other systems as well as free agents (Joseph is looking, Belfour could be lured back, Jamie Storr, just to name a few)
Wayne or Bobby?? How about both!!! |
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PuckNuts
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Posted - 01/09/2008 : 08:51:14
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Garon is the future in Edmonton because of his age, and salary. At 29 and making 1.2 mil this season, and 1.0 mil next.
Beans is right who is going to trade for Roloson at the age of 37, and pay him 3.0 mil next season.
Garon is playing well at the moment, but don't hold your breath, he can falter at any moment, and Roloson is ready to go. When Roloson gets gack between the pipes he will be playing to stay, and that is an added bonus for Edmonton...
Of coarse you know that this means war!
- - Bugs Bunny
http://www.maldesigns.ca/top50since1967.htm
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Guest4912
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Posted - 01/09/2008 : 08:57:11
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| I am quite the Oilers fan and since roli has come to edmonton I have not liked him that much, So in my opinion Garon is by far the better goalie and when they still had Markkenen in the pipes I believe he was better than roloson but no body gave him a chance to prove himself and then when the oil were playing carolina for the cup the only reason that it went to seven games was because of Markkenen and Pronger. So in my opinion garon is the better goalie by far. |
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Guest4188
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Posted - 01/09/2008 : 14:55:17
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garon has been gettinghis fair share of starts and the oilers are still second last in the west, he is a moderate goalie at best. Roloson is to old. the oilers should try to pull a daryl sutteresqe move and find a goalie that has a chance to be great from someones farm team... look how miika kiiprusoff turned out.
BEANS just cuz u a moderator doesnt mean your some kinda of hockey expert or god your probably a 35 year old guy with no job and lives in his parents basement. although some of your points are good dont rag on people for making short posts cuz unless your from north korea this is democracy and we have the right to say whatever we feel |
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Alex
PickupHockey All-Star
Canada
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Posted - 01/09/2008 : 15:42:47
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I have a feeling Beans might personally delete this last post lol.
Personally, everyone has their faults, but I think Beans is one of the best moderators because his posts really 'moderate' if you will. He is rarely objective, and hardly attacks any personal statements, which are of course fine to do.
I think you should participate a little more, because the thing is that the moderators posts get the most respect, attention and replies. I think you could have the potential to get this site really rolling. But great job 
Habs get number 25 this year |
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Guest4188
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Posted - 01/09/2008 : 15:52:49
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No need to suck up alex |
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Alex
PickupHockey All-Star
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Posted - 01/09/2008 : 16:01:01
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I'm not. Listen, Beans often asks me to post less, more quality, etc...
I don't always listen 100%, and the reason is I feel that a) i want to send out quick responses, not ones that take an hour for my archaic computer to process and b) i feel that seperate thoughts allow more room for concentrated analysis. it is a writing technique i learned to use at school.
i am not a suckup by any means, beans will attest to that i am sure lol. but i will say, i am against guests who just show up and have fun knocking people on this site. its sorta dumb
Habs get number 25 this year |
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hockster
PickupHockey Pro
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Posted - 01/09/2008 : 16:10:20
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No need for you to put anyone down guest.
Everyones opinions should be viewed as equals on this site.
Nobody comes on to be harrassed.
I dont think his actions are the ones of a suck up.
Please guests STOP WITH THE INSULTS |
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