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hanley6
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 Posted - 05/26/2009 : 20:49:47
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who would you say are the 3 most underrated goalies in the NHL today?
Biron, Halak, Bryzgalov
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Guest7877
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Posted - 05/27/2009 : 08:23:59
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| definitely Toskala. 09/10 will return healthy and ready to proove he is a #1 goalie |
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Guest6729
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Posted - 05/27/2009 : 08:44:35
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| Toskala as well a good number 1 goalie |
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Axey
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Canada
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Posted - 05/27/2009 : 08:49:32
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| Gerber, Fleury, and C. Mason |
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Pasty7
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Canada
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Posted - 05/27/2009 : 09:43:02
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Originally posted by Axey
Gerber, Fleury, and C. Mason
Gerber is the deffinition of overated?? he's not even a quality backup in the NHL
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Guest5934
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Posted - 05/27/2009 : 10:13:28
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Originally posted by hanley6
who would you say are the 3 most underrated goalies in the NHL today?
Biron, Halak, Bryzgalov
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Gusteroni
Rookie
Canada
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Posted - 05/27/2009 : 12:12:31
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Hiller, Varlamov, and Fleury. Those may just be my choices because they are in recent memory. We'll see next year how Hiller and Varlamov make out and if the Pens win it all this year I think Fleury will finally get the recognition he deserves.
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hanley6
PickupHockey Pro
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Posted - 05/27/2009 : 13:59:23
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Originally posted by Guest7877
definitely Toskala. 09/10 will return healthy and ready to proove he is a #1 goalie
good luck with that one... Toskala still hasn't proven he can handle the job yet...
Toronto would be better off with Gerber as a number 1 goalie... I have to agree Gerber is another one who is one of the most UNDERRATED goalies in the NHL |
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Beans15
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Posted - 05/27/2009 : 15:31:47
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Three most under-rated goalies in the league today.
Toskala
Vokoun
Bryzgalov |
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hockster
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 05/27/2009 : 15:39:39
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Vokoun
Bryzgalov
Halak
Iginla for 2010 team captain.
Flames for cup...eventually. |
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Guest9273
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Posted - 05/28/2009 : 14:13:57
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Gerber is not under-rated, Gerber is dynamically inconsistent. Toskalla isn't all that under-rated either, he was quite highly regarded until he moved to Toronto when the talk became how under-rated he is because most Leafs fans only follow the Leafs and hadn't heard much about him.
Most under-rated goalies in the league, Pekka Rinne, Josh Harding Steven Valliquete |
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JOSHUACANADA
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Posted - 05/28/2009 : 14:18:58
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| Forgot about Valliquete. Good choice. If he wasn't playing behind King Henri we could see this guy in action. What a monster 6.5-6.6 |
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hanley6
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 05/28/2009 : 14:25:10
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Originally posted by Guest9273
Gerber is not under-rated, Gerber is dynamically inconsistent. Toskalla isn't all that under-rated either, he was quite highly regarded until he moved to Toronto when the talk became how under-rated he is because most Leafs fans only follow the Leafs and hadn't heard much about him.
Most under-rated goalies in the league, Pekka Rinne, Josh Harding Steven Valliquete
Gerber is underrated he's a great goalie who has never really been given the chance as a number 1 goalie which he deserves.
Toskala is overrated I can't see how anyone can say he's underrated.. He was backup in San Jose alot of teams thought he was good because he played for San Jose. He got his chance with Toronto and he was horribly inconsistent, gives up too easily and he looks like a blind man most games plays 20 horrible games in a row and finally plays a decent game, that's not how a number 1 caliber goalie should play |
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Gusteroni
Rookie
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Posted - 05/28/2009 : 14:37:06
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Does anyone agree that Osgood is highly underrated? After the not so steller season he had did anyone think he could pull off the type of play needed to get to the dance? I think he has never got the respect he deserves considering he has been in the NHL for 15 years. I guess we will see by the end of next week if he can win his 4th cup.
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JOSHUACANADA
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Posted - 05/28/2009 : 14:37:17
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| I can't defend you here Hanley. Gerber probably got roasted the most by the T.O. fans while he played for Ottawa. I remember thinking when he signed here after Carolina won the cup "Holy Crap Sens for the cup" Now who has egg on his face? |
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Gusteroni
Rookie
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Posted - 05/28/2009 : 14:47:40
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quote:
Originally posted by hanley6
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Originally posted by Guest9273
Gerber is not under-rated, Gerber is dynamically inconsistent. Toskalla isn't all that under-rated either, he was quite highly regarded until he moved to Toronto when the talk became how under-rated he is because most Leafs fans only follow the Leafs and hadn't heard much about him.
Most under-rated goalies in the league, Pekka Rinne, Josh Harding Steven Valliquete
Gerber is underrated he's a great goalie who has never really been given the chance as a number 1 goalie which he deserves.
Toskala is overrated I can't see how anyone can say he's underrated.. He was backup in San Jose alot of teams thought he was good because he played for San Jose. He got his chance with Toronto and he was horribly inconsistent, gives up too easily and he looks like a blind man most games plays 20 horrible games in a row and finally plays a decent game, that's not how a number 1 caliber goalie should play
I have to agree with you on everything. I am not a fan of Toskala anymore, I was when he came to Toronto cause of the hype but I soon came to realize his inconsistencies. I also do beleive Gerbs deserves a starting job. Know wonder people think what they do about him when you're back-up to Emery and play in Ottawa. If Toronto doesn't sign Gerbs what are they going to do...sign Kolzig? Trade Toskala and sign Darth Gerber.
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hanley6
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Posted - 05/28/2009 : 14:58:03
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Originally posted by JOSHUACANADA
I can't defend you here Hanley. Gerber probably got roasted the most by the T.O. fans while he played for Ottawa. I remember thinking when he signed here after Carolina won the cup "Holy Crap Sens for the cup" Now who has egg on his face?
see Gerber was backup to Emery, Emery played lowsy and Gerber played excellent... This season Gerber was playing great for Ottawa at the beginning till he got hurt Gerber was better than Auld.. It wasn't Gerber's fault Ottawa couldn't win a game... I always said I'd trade Toskala away for Gerber anyday. Look what happened when Toronto signed him, they started winning. Toronto looked like a better team with out Toskala and they were missing key players |
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JOSHUACANADA
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Posted - 05/28/2009 : 15:11:26
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| Emery got a to play in a Cup final. Gerber got to cheer from the bench. You be the judge. I do think Gerber is as good as Toskala in the regular season. Gerber cant handle the pressure during the playoffs. Its been documented on every team he plays for. Ducks, Carolina, Ottawa. Playoff record 1-11 in 12 games. He only started and finished 6 of those with .890 and 3.50 averages. |
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Pasty7
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Posted - 05/28/2009 : 16:38:35
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Originally posted by hanley6
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Originally posted by JOSHUACANADA
I can't defend you here Hanley. Gerber probably got roasted the most by the T.O. fans while he played for Ottawa. I remember thinking when he signed here after Carolina won the cup "Holy Crap Sens for the cup" Now who has egg on his face?
see Gerber was backup to Emery, Emery played lowsy and Gerber played excellent... This season Gerber was playing great for Ottawa at the beginning till he got hurt Gerber was better than Auld.. It wasn't Gerber's fault Ottawa couldn't win a game... I always said I'd trade Toskala away for Gerber anyday. Look what happened when Toronto signed him, they started winning. Toronto looked like a better team with out Toskala and they were missing key players
what????? auld for the first 2 months had the best stats in the nhl oh and gerbs didn;t get hurt he sucked the big one so bad he was sent down,,, gerbs had more than just his shot he is not a starting goalie and he is not even a good backup... good luck with him dont bother responding i will not argue this point further because there is no point with you but just wait and see, you'll hate gerbs with the same passion as toskala when he lays yet another egg,,, he makes a better chicken than goalie
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Posted - 05/28/2009 : 18:25:48
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[quote]Originally posted by Beans15
Three most under-rated goalies in the league today.
Toskala
Vokoun
Bryzgalov
[/quotesorry beans just picked your post Toskala you have to bee out of your mind he had worst save percentage of all goalies including back ups] |
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Guest4098
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Posted - 05/28/2009 : 18:28:30
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[quote]Originally posted by Beans15
Three most under-rated goalies in the league today.
Toskala
Vokoun
Bryzgalov
[/quotesorry beans just picked your post Toskala you have to bee out of your mind he had worst save percentage of all goalies including back ups
bryzgalov
miller
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Guest5457
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Posted - 05/28/2009 : 20:54:52
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quote:
Originally posted by hanley6
who would you say are the 3 most underrated goalies in the NHL today?
Biron, Halak, Bryzgalov
Wow talk about under rated. He carried the Devils 09-10 and no one even mentions him.
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Rambo2305
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 05/29/2009 : 05:19:25
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Toskala
Hiller
Bryzgalov
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Seventy7Fifty2
Top Prospect
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Posted - 05/29/2009 : 07:02:48
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Under-rated:
Thomas
Elliott
Boucher
Over-rated (as a team's #1):
Toskala
Toskala
Toskala (tied for 3rd)
Osgood (tied for 3rd) |
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Matt_Roberts85
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 05/29/2009 : 07:37:20
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underrated
Craig Anderson
Mike Smith
Steve Valliquette
overrated
Carey Price
Marty Turco
Roberto Luongo
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E". |
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Rambo2305
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Posted - 05/29/2009 : 08:01:55
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Originally posted by Matt_Roberts85
underrated
Craig Anderson
Mike Smith
Steve Valliquette
overrated
Carey Price
Marty Turco
Roberto Luongo
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E".
I have no problem with your "overrated" list, but you will hear it from Canucks and Habs fans lol
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Guest2269
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Posted - 05/29/2009 : 08:41:18
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Underrated
Steve Valliquette
Hiller
C.Mason
Overrated
Luongo
Kipper
Price
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Matt_Roberts85
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Posted - 05/29/2009 : 10:26:22
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Well, Luongo has never won anything of consequence, maybe its a function of bad luck, but people talk about him being the best goalie in the world and he's never got past the second round of the playoffs... regular season success is nice and all, but if you want to TRULY be the best, you have to prove it when it counts the most.
Thats why I have Turco on there as well.
Carey Price is just young, I think he will turn out to be a very good goalie, but "Jesus Price" he is not.
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Guest2622
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Posted - 05/29/2009 : 10:34:22
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quote:
Originally posted by hanley6
who would you say are the 3 most underrated goalies in the NHL today?
Biron, Halak, Bryzgalov
LOL!!
None of these guys are undrerated. |
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Odin
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 05/29/2009 : 10:43:30
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quote:
Originally posted by hanley6
quote:
Originally posted by Guest9273
Gerber is not under-rated, Gerber is dynamically inconsistent. Toskalla isn't all that under-rated either, he was quite highly regarded until he moved to Toronto when the talk became how under-rated he is because most Leafs fans only follow the Leafs and hadn't heard much about him.
Most under-rated goalies in the league, Pekka Rinne, Josh Harding Steven Valliquete
Gerber is underrated he's a great goalie who has never really been given the chance as a number 1 goalie which he deserves.
Toskala is overrated I can't see how anyone can say he's underrated.. He was backup in San Jose alot of teams thought he was good because he played for San Jose. He got his chance with Toronto and he was horribly inconsistent, gives up too easily and he looks like a blind man most games plays 20 horrible games in a row and finally plays a decent game, that's not how a number 1 caliber goalie should play
Hanley, I'm sorry, but you are way off on this one. Gerber was handed the starting job, not once, but twice. He wasn't able to sustain it. Yes he starts off well and usually go on a little tear, but then he always comes back down to Earth and starts letting in the softies. He IS a good backup, but he can't handle the pressue of an everyday goalie. One of the knocks on him in Ottawa was not being able to handle the media. You think thats worse in TO? Pasty is right, he WILL drive you nuts. |
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JOSHUACANADA
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Posted - 05/29/2009 : 10:46:45
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Originally posted by Matt_Roberts85
Well, Luongo has never won anything of consequence, maybe its a function of bad luck, but people talk about him being the best goalie in the world and he's never got past the second round of the playoffs... regular season success is nice and all, but if you want to TRULY be the best, you have to prove it when it counts the most.
Thats why I have Turco on there as well.
Carey Price is just young, I think he will turn out to be a very good goalie, but "Jesus Price" he is not.
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E".
Wow this might be the most backwards statement I've ever heard. "Turco underated, Loungo cant win when it counts". Turco has a cup as a backup and has always been surounded by a top notch defensive team. He cant win in a clutch situation to save his life.
Loungo is the goalie who gets the first call for international play and has only been in the playoff for 4 rounds of hockey in 2 years. Vancouver is not that good of a team, much like Montreal they are mostly overhyped. You think Loungo is overated, if he played for T.O in there current state in 2008-09 Toronto might have made the playoffs. |
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Matt_Roberts85
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Posted - 05/29/2009 : 13:36:40
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Originally posted by JOSHUACANADA
quote:
Originally posted by Matt_Roberts85
Well, Luongo has never won anything of consequence, maybe its a function of bad luck, but people talk about him being the best goalie in the world and he's never got past the second round of the playoffs... regular season success is nice and all, but if you want to TRULY be the best, you have to prove it when it counts the most.
Thats why I have Turco on there as well.
Carey Price is just young, I think he will turn out to be a very good goalie, but "Jesus Price" he is not.
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E".
Wow this might be the most backwards statement I've ever heard. "Turco underated, Loungo cant win when it counts". Turco has a cup as a backup and has always been surounded by a top notch defensive team. He cant win in a clutch situation to save his life.
Loungo is the goalie who gets the first call for international play and has only been in the playoff for 4 rounds of hockey in 2 years. Vancouver is not that good of a team, much like Montreal they are mostly overhyped. You think Loungo is overated, if he played for T.O in there current state in 2008-09 Toronto might have made the playoffs.
Ok...im not sure if you disagree with me or agree haha. Turco won as a backup...big deal, eddie belfour played every lick of those playoffs. Since then what has he done? He helped the stars to the conference final last year, then fell apart this year.
Luongo got shelled in the most important game of his career a couple weeks ago, and has never been a starter for any sort of pro championship (at least that im aware of... if im wrong please correct me).
You say " He cant win in a clutch situation to save his life " when referring to Turco.... I thought you were backing turco?
Than your statement on Luongo is kinda all over the place, he is the first choice to the starter in the olympics even though he has only been in the playoff for 4 rounds of hockey in 2 years. Vncouver is over hyped like toronto and montreal, and he could have maybe got toronto in the playoffs this year....ok? what does that mean? Are you trying to say that he is NOT overrated? I just dont follow
Kinda funny that if Toronto had a goalie they would be a playoff team lol. Maybe they arent so far away afterall 
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JOSHUACANADA
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Posted - 05/29/2009 : 14:44:24
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"Turco underated, Loungo cant win when it counts" was your claim. I disagreed with your claim. I said Turco is not underated as your list claimed. He cannot handle playoff pressure. Hence the reason I said he cant win in a clutch situation to save his life.
I also stated in my counter statement that Loungo was not overated. If you look at his Canada cup and world championship stats you will see this goalie is a clutch goalie, with one bad game in the Vancouver vs. Chicago series. |
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Guest6562
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Posted - 05/29/2009 : 18:15:08
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| Hey JoshuaCanada if you go back to Matt Roberts list, he put Turco on the overrated part of the list |
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DangleFest89
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Posted - 05/29/2009 : 18:47:31
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Toskala hands down most underrated
followed by Miller |
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JOSHUACANADA
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Canada
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Posted - 05/30/2009 : 15:49:35
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Originally posted by Guest6562
Hey JoshuaCanada if you go back to Matt Roberts list, he put Turco on the overrated part of the list
Ooopps. Duly noted only disagree with the Loungo part then. |
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hanley6
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 05/30/2009 : 16:13:02
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quote:
Originally posted by JOSHUACANADA
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Originally posted by Matt_Roberts85
Well, Luongo has never won anything of consequence, maybe its a function of bad luck, but people talk about him being the best goalie in the world and he's never got past the second round of the playoffs... regular season success is nice and all, but if you want to TRULY be the best, you have to prove it when it counts the most.
Thats why I have Turco on there as well.
Carey Price is just young, I think he will turn out to be a very good goalie, but "Jesus Price" he is not.
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E".
Wow this might be the most backwards statement I've ever heard. "Turco underated, Loungo cant win when it counts". Turco has a cup as a backup and has always been surounded by a top notch defensive team. He cant win in a clutch situation to save his life.
Loungo is the goalie who gets the first call for international play and has only been in the playoff for 4 rounds of hockey in 2 years. Vancouver is not that good of a team, much like Montreal they are mostly overhyped. You think Loungo is overated, if he played for T.O in there current state in 2008-09 Toronto might have made the playoffs.
i agree with you on that.. if Luongo played for the Leafs this past season the Leafs without a doubt would have made the playoffs.. The main thing Toronto is lacking on is Goaltending, Toskala doesn't cut it he's not good enough to be a number 1 goalie for any team, he's nothing more than a backup. All Toronto needs is a good goalie and they will be a Playoff contending team. There D is solid, it wouldn't hurt to have a key franchise point getter possibly Tavares. But the main thing Toronto needs is a good goalie |
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Posted - 06/01/2009 : 07:19:44
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What you guys don't seem to understand that is any goalie who comes to Toronto in the current situation is going to be ripped apart. In SJ, Toskola was a solid backup who stepped up when Nabokov got injured. SJ managed to be a dominant team with Toskola in net which is one of the reasons why people thought he should have a shot at #1 somewhere. The reason he's seemingly playing so poorly in Toronto is because Toronto is so weak currently.
If Luongo came to Toronto he wouldn't change a thing. People would be getting on his case all the time starting to point out flaws in his game. A goalie can only do so much. Put Brodeur on a 5 year-old house league and pit them up against the Red Wings and Brodeur isn't going to have much of a chance. |
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Rambo2305
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Posted - 06/01/2009 : 07:31:51
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quote:
Originally posted by Guest7026
What you guys don't seem to understand that is any goalie who comes to Toronto in the current situation is going to be ripped apart. In SJ, Toskola was a solid backup who stepped up when Nabokov got injured. SJ managed to be a dominant team with Toskola in net which is one of the reasons why people thought he should have a shot at #1 somewhere. The reason he's seemingly playing so poorly in Toronto is because Toronto is so weak currently.
If Luongo came to Toronto he wouldn't change a thing. People would be getting on his case all the time starting to point out flaws in his game. A goalie can only do so much. Put Brodeur on a 5 year-old house league and pit them up against the Red Wings and Brodeur isn't going to have much of a chance.
Great point. The Leafs defense has been pretty bad for the last two years. in 07-08, Toskala won 6 straight, and in all 6 games, faced 40+ shots. So to say he's not good, is ridiculous. A goalie can't steal every game for you. If the Leafs can play solid defensive hockey for Vesa, he will win 35 games, at least.
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Beans15
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Posted - 06/01/2009 : 08:47:28
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quote:
Originally posted by Guest7026
What you guys don't seem to understand that is any goalie who comes to Toronto in the current situation is going to be ripped apart. In SJ, Toskola was a solid backup who stepped up when Nabokov got injured. SJ managed to be a dominant team with Toskola in net which is one of the reasons why people thought he should have a shot at #1 somewhere. The reason he's seemingly playing so poorly in Toronto is because Toronto is so weak currently.
If Luongo came to Toronto he wouldn't change a thing. People would be getting on his case all the time starting to point out flaws in his game. A goalie can only do so much. Put Brodeur on a 5 year-old house league and pit them up against the Red Wings and Brodeur isn't going to have much of a chance.
Seriously??? I mean, the Leafs are easily a playoff team and the only thing they are missing is a goalie. The defense is brilliant and they only look bad because Toskala is so horrible. The guys doesn't belong on the ice, let alone in the NHL.
TO would have a Cup if it wasn't for Toskala
(If you believe a single word I said, please send me an e-mail. I have an ocean front apartment for sale in Edmonton with your name on it!) |
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hanley6
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Posted - 06/01/2009 : 14:13:05
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quote:
Originally posted by Beans15
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Originally posted by Guest7026
What you guys don't seem to understand that is any goalie who comes to Toronto in the current situation is going to be ripped apart. In SJ, Toskola was a solid backup who stepped up when Nabokov got injured. SJ managed to be a dominant team with Toskola in net which is one of the reasons why people thought he should have a shot at #1 somewhere. The reason he's seemingly playing so poorly in Toronto is because Toronto is so weak currently.
If Luongo came to Toronto he wouldn't change a thing. People would be getting on his case all the time starting to point out flaws in his game. A goalie can only do so much. Put Brodeur on a 5 year-old house league and pit them up against the Red Wings and Brodeur isn't going to have much of a chance.
Seriously??? I mean, the Leafs are easily a playoff team and the only thing they are missing is a goalie. The defense is brilliant and they only look bad because Toskala is so horrible. The guys doesn't belong on the ice, let alone in the NHL.
TO would have a Cup if it wasn't for Toskala
(If you believe a single word I said, please send me an e-mail. I have an ocean front apartment for sale in Edmonton with your name on it!)
that's more accurate |
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3 most underrated goalies in the NHL today 
