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Guest6189
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 Posted - 01/22/2010 : 10:50:06
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I was just watching some highlights of the Rangers - Flyers game, and saw that Daniel Carcillo fought Marian Gaborik. A huge mismatch obviously, I was surprised to see that.
Seems pretty ridiculous of Carcillo to fight Gaborik, but apparently Gaborik dropped the gloves first.
What do you think? Did Carcillo "break the code"?
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Guest9836
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Posted - 01/22/2010 : 11:20:45
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Carcillo is a psychopath either way. But did he break the code? Not really if Gaborik came after him. Did Gabby know who he was dropping the gloves with? probably not.
If someone drops the gloves and is coming at you, you don't check to see who it is first and then when seeing it's another team's star walk away. You go to work.
If Carcillo was the one looking for Gaborik though I wouldn't be surprised. He is 100% loony-toons. |
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baumer
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Posted - 01/22/2010 : 11:46:06
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| Gaborik didn't have a choice to fight Carcillo. But what really pissed me off was that Carcillo refused to fight Dubinsky ten minutes later. I don't like Sean Avery but I was glad to see him through the goof to the ice. Phil Esposito said it best this morning on NHL radio. "some one is going to get him, just like Tie Domi got Samuellson. " The league has to be sick of this guy and he is going to get it real bad one day. |
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Beans15
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Posted - 01/22/2010 : 12:41:14
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Carcillo is a D-Bag. Plain and simple. He's the kind of guy that you beat the crap out of and he still doesn't learn his lesson. Good on Gaborik for standing up to this meatball, even if he got his bell rung.
Carcillo broke no code by fighting Gaborik, but I think there is something in the code that says if you dance with a teams superstar, you also have to dance with the teams enforcer. Quid Pro Quo kind of thing.
Did anyone hear Tortorella go at that loser in the media again!! Is there ANYONE in the league that is more entertaining that Johnny T?? You may not like him, but you gotta love the entertainment value. |
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just1n
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Posted - 01/22/2010 : 15:20:24
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I kinda wonder if enforcers will continue to be in the game... fighting seems to be a pretty common occurrence though, altho players that are useless for anything but fighting (Laraque for instance) are kind of dying out.
Yeah, another entertaining post-game talk with Torts... I guess he isn't allowed to swear now either. |
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JOSHUACANADA
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Posted - 01/22/2010 : 15:48:21
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Originally posted by just1n
I kinda wonder if enforcers will continue to be in the game... fighting seems to be a pretty common occurrence though, altho players that are useless for anything but fighting (Laraque for instance) are kind of dying out.
Yeah, another entertaining post-game talk with Torts... I guess he isn't allowed to swear now either.
If Torts wants to swear, he will pay the fine. League hasn't deprogrammed him yet. |
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Beans15
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Posted - 01/23/2010 : 09:03:15
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Originally posted by just1n
I kinda wonder if enforcers will continue to be in the game... fighting seems to be a pretty common occurrence though, altho players that are useless for anything but fighting (Laraque for instance) are kind of dying out.
Yeah, another entertaining post-game talk with Torts... I guess he isn't allowed to swear now either.
The enforcer isn't dying out. There are more teams with enforcers than those without. Laraque made his own bed in Edmonton when he demanded a no trade clause. What enforcer 4th line players has a no trade clause?? That was his first mistake. His second mistake was making the decision that he was a player and not a fighter. That's why he got tossed around from Edmonton, to Phoenix, to Pittsburg, to Montreal is 4 seasons. His final mistake was to openly say that he will only fight guys his size.
I agree that the one-dimensional enforcer than can only fight may be dying out, but not the enforcer all together. A guy like Dan Carcillo, even though I dislike him, can skate, muck it up in the corners, forecheck, and throw in a point ever 3 or 4 games. |
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Posted - 01/23/2010 : 09:21:11
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Carcillo is a total jerk, yes, but he did a good job of goading the other team's superstar into a fight, which of course meant he really got under his skin. It was probably a big part of the win, in fact. So - no 'code' broken, no . . . because there is no code, I reckon . . . but that's another discussion.
Tortorella . . . usually, I hate him, and I never thought he was a good coach with TB and learned to dislike his idiocy there. But there hasn't been as entertaining an interview session after the game as this one . . . gotta say, he won some points back with me after this one, lol!
http://5-hole.com/2010/01/21/john-tortorella-vs-larry-brooks-part-2/
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fat_elvis_rocked
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Posted - 01/23/2010 : 09:40:52
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I had to watch that clip of the fight about 20 times, and I had a smile on my face each time. The announcers were busy lamenting, 'what is he thinking', about Carcillo, and I was thinking exactly the same thing about Gaborik. Why in the world he dropped his gloves is totally beyond me. It would appear he even dropped them first. Fair game after that I would think. The announcers even went so far as to make the excuse that Gaborik didn't know who he was tangled up with and that Carcillo targeted Gaborik out. If Gaborik stayed out of the intial scrum, he wouldn't have needed the next day's ice pack.
What I found really distressing, was that no other Ranger came in and did the 'Matt Bradley', they all kind of stood there and watched Gaborik get pummeled. Kinda makes me think about the dressing room dynamic there, but probably just me...Ovei drops his gloves ten feet from Downie and a teammate flies in like he's shot out of a cannon, Gaborik gets the snot beat out of him, and nobody does anything until later in the game? Hmmm..
There is another side to the code, that should now be realized for those players who are the skill guys and not there to try and play physical, honor your part of the deal too, DON'T DROP the gloves. Grab on in the scrum, but don't act like tough guy if you aren't. Gaborik waded into the mess right away and got schooled on why he shouldn't, lesson learned. I`ll even go out on a limb and commend Carcillo for not making it worse on Gaborik, he gave him his half dozen shots, knocked him down and then looked at the refs, like, WTF? Never should have happened, but not Carcillo's problem IMO.
I also loved Torts putting a name and a face to the annoying, media type. All too often they are able to postulate in anonymity, and for once it was nice to see one get called out.
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Guest4052
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Posted - 01/23/2010 : 10:40:52
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from the youtube video gaborik and carcillo had their opposing gloes on one hand dropped at the same time, then carcillo had his other come off after Gaborik. I'd say that's dropping them at the same time.
It does take two to dance and Gaborik didn't yank off Carcillo's gloves, but however Carcillo being a nutbar jumped at the opportunity and is quoted as saying he was "licking his chops", had Carcillo had class he would have kept his gloves on and just wrestled with Gaborik.
However the code did come into effect where Avery of all people went in and fought Carcillo and I'd give that fight to Avery.
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Beans15
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Posted - 01/23/2010 : 11:56:49
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Hey Fat Elvis,the number of Rangers trying to get thier hands on Carcillo after the fight says enough to me that he is regarded and respected by his team mates as their skill guy. Let's not confuse the situations. Everyone had a dance partner and I don't think anyone expected Gaborik to drop them. If this was the only square off on the ice at the time, I would bet all my lunch money that someone would have jumped in for Gaborik.
Now, again, Carcillo trying to get Gaborik to dance is exactly what his job is and he's pretty friggin good at it. Taking the best offensive skill off the ice for 5 minutes is Carcillo's job. But, not going with the guys afterwards is a joke. If you are going to play like that, you don't get to say no. |
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fat_elvis_rocked
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Posted - 01/23/2010 : 13:53:10
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Originally posted by Beans15
Hey Fat Elvis,the number of Rangers trying to get thier hands on Carcillo after the fight says enough to me that he is regarded and respected by his team mates as their skill guy. Let's not confuse the situations. Everyone had a dance partner and I don't think anyone expected Gaborik to drop them. If this was the only square off on the ice at the time, I would bet all my lunch money that someone would have jumped in for Gaborik.
Now, again, Carcillo trying to get Gaborik to dance is exactly what his job is and he's pretty friggin good at it. Taking the best offensive skill off the ice for 5 minutes is Carcillo's job. But, not going with the guys afterwards is a joke. If you are going to play like that, you don't get to say no.
True enough, just seemed weird, I can't ever remember a skill guy taking those kind of licks without some sort of 3rd man in, or the refs getting in there before it gets to that point. I'm sure all the other guys were tied up/squared off, it just struck me as odd is all.
Kudos to Gaborik for hanging in there, but hopefully he's learned a valuable lesson.
Carcillo did go with Avery did he not? I'm not sure if he has to go with the 1st dance partner, and he sure got the Rangers all off focus by stalling, not a bad day's work for Carcillo. |
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