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Beans15
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Posted - 01/26/2010 :  07:41:33  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Ya Alex, you did miss some stuff. If you look back, there are a few guests that have been talking about Burrows and his ability to walk on water like the other guys could once do.

And maybe NEVER is a hueg word, but 4 fights in 2 season, with 0 this season is close enough to never for me. Argue the details all you want, but at the end of the day the only difference between Burrows and Cooke is that Burrows can actually score. If he couldn't score, I would think you would have the same thoughts about him as you do about Cooke.

Just because the guy scores does not mean he plays a classy style of hockey.
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Alex116
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Posted - 01/26/2010 :  07:51:22  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Beans, i admit, i skimmed through many of the posts, especially the guest posts and therefore missed some of the "walks on water" and such references? Never would i consider him elite, but there's no denying he's found chemistry beyond what ANY player who's been tried on that line thus far!

I don't consider him to be Cooke with a scoring tough at all. Matt Cooke was never an effective shut down guy. When Burrows played with Kesler, they were considered a top shutdown line with whoever played alongside them. A lot of the credit went to Kesler but Burrows was very key on that line. It was not easy for the coach to split them up but at the time, he was desperate to find someone who could help the Sedins get to that next level. Now, maybe it's fluke, maybe Bernier could be doing the same thing and perhaps it's simply the Sedin's having breakout years, but we really can't ever tell that. Regardless, because the guy has been labelled a diver, he get's a lot less respect around the league. That's the consequences of your actions i guess. I'm certainly not gonna sit here and try to argue he's never dived before and therefore i respect your opinion on him.

Funny, this kid was mentioned to be in the mix late last year (not just around here but on HNIC) for team Canada and there was rumour he was on the list to attend the orientation camp at one point? Be real interesting to see if that camp was this coming summer considering the year he's having?

On a side note, i argued with friends that i didn't think and still don't think he'd belong. The Sedin's aren't on Team Canada and there's no telling what chemistry he'd find with other guys? As a third or fourth line checker, maybe, but i'd say that's even a stretch as there are better guys for that role, a few who've been picked and a few who missed........
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Matt_Roberts85
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Canada
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Posted - 01/26/2010 :  10:32:38  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Maxim Lapiere, Alex Burrows, Patrick Kaleta, Chris Neil.

All of them are ******* who talk tough but never really back it up, Neil will fight, but only guys smaller than him. Lapiere will drop the gloves, but wont throw a single punch, watch the fight earlier this year against colby armstrong, colby lays a clean hit on bergeron then lapiere just grabs him and hangs on..... what a *****.Kaleta cheapshots guys then turtles when its time to answer the bell and we all know about Burrows now.

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There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E".

Edited by - Beans15 on 01/26/2010 10:59:13
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Beans15
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Posted - 01/26/2010 :  11:02:12  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hey Alex, none of that changes the fact that Burrows plays that reckless, on the edge, instigating type of play and rarely if ever backs it up.

As far as Team Canada?? Wow, I would seriously have lost respect for Yzerman if that happened. Burrows, in no facet of the game, should be considered one of the best this country can produce. Not even close.

Oh, hold on. Maybe he might have a Olympic Career. Only it will be in the Summer Olympics and involve a board and a swimming pool. In fact, it would nearly assure Canada a Medal, he'd just need to decide which height to dive from. He sure gets enough practice during the season.

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Guest4762
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Posted - 01/27/2010 :  06:22:31  Reply with Quote
All of you need to read the title of this thread again. "Least Favourite Player" is personal opinion. I can say my least favourite player is Wayne Gretzky and I'm not 'wrong' if I think that.

Beans you have stated 10x over how you feel so move aside and let's collect some other thought on the subject. Stfu about Burrows and Cooke.

P.S. My least favourite 'was' Barnaby when he played- but he's actually decent in the booth now so I'll change my pick to Ribeiro.
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HawkinOilCountry
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Canada
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Posted - 01/27/2010 :  06:44:05  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I think my least favorite players of Christmas past are Hasek (OMG embellish more!) and Chelios (should've retried 10 years earlier).

Least favorite players of Christmas present are Pronger (can you tell I'm also an Oilers fan?) and Emery (I think it was Emery. I mean the guy in net when Ottawa went to the final).

And I my least favorite future NHLer is Taylor Hall. I think this kid is being way over-hyped. Give me Cam Fowler before this kid.

The arena wall in chicago should be credited with a goal.
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Posted - 01/27/2010 :  07:13:22  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Matt_Roberts85

Maxim Lapiere, Alex Burrows, Patrick Kaleta, Chris Neil.

All of them are ******* who talk tough but never really back it up, Neil will fight, but only guys smaller than him. Lapiere will drop the gloves, but wont throw a single punch, watch the fight earlier this year against colby armstrong, colby lays a clean hit on bergeron then lapiere just grabs him and hangs on..... what a *****.Kaleta cheapshots guys then turtles when its time to answer the bell and we all know about Burrows now.

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There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E".



haha sorry
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Sensfan101
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Canada
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Posted - 01/27/2010 :  13:54:59  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Matt_Roberts85

Maxim Lapiere, Alex Burrows, Patrick Kaleta, Chris Neil.

All of them are ******* who talk tough but never really back it up, Neil will fight, but only guys smaller than him. Lapiere will drop the gloves, but wont throw a single punch, watch the fight earlier this year against colby armstrong, colby lays a clean hit on bergeron then lapiere just grabs him and hangs on..... what a *****.Kaleta cheapshots guys then turtles when its time to answer the bell and we all know about Burrows now.

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There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E".


Neil only fights guys smaller than him?? are you serious!? clearly you don't watch hockey if you can say that with a straight face. Neil is not a very big guy and will fight anybody if he thinks it will help the team.
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Posted - 01/27/2010 :  14:47:53  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by Guest8764

Hal Gill. It is painful watching him try to keep up with NHL quality skaters. Just. Painful. Honorable mention to Phaneuf. Would love to see that guy come across the middle with his head down in front of, oh, let's say Mike Richards (since Scott Stevens is retired.)


Not going to happen. He's always the one on the right end of the head down hits.
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Alex116
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Posted - 01/28/2010 :  00:29:20  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by Guest4762



P.S. My least favourite 'was' Barnaby when he played- but he's actually decent in the booth now so I'll change my pick to Ribeiro.



Met Barnaby when he in town while playing with the Hawks a few years back. Wasn't a big fan of his till we ran into him and a few teammates. Actually, a really nice guy.

BTW, i'm a little surprised at all the hate for Ribiero? What's the deal there?
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Gusteroni
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Canada
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Posted - 01/28/2010 :  12:51:04  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Carcillo really bothers me but I also like his gritty play, at least he does back up his mouth. The thing I hate is he makes a spectacle of himself. The devil horns to the crowd and that not so toothy smile everytime he heads to the box after he been in a fight (even if he gets his a$$ kicked), not to mention his terrible moustache. I guess I just don't like his face. I wish he would have been lipping off Hunter instead of Acton in a TO game a couple weeks ago, to see Hunter drop the gloves again would be precious. If only coaches could fight. Cooke could be the worst though, I don't know how many times I have seen him skate away with his tail between his legs when a guy wants to drop them, what a disgrace.

"There are only two seasons in Canada...hockey season and not hockey season."
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Posted - 01/28/2010 :  12:58:58  Reply with Quote
[quote]Originally posted by Guest9198

Darcy Tucker, Chris Pronger & Dany Heatley.
[/quoteok I agree with Pronger and Tucker but why Heatley]
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JOSHUACANADA
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Canada
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Posted - 01/28/2010 :  13:22:22  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Guest2856

[quote]Originally posted by Guest9198

Darcy Tucker, Chris Pronger & Dany Heatley.
[/quoteok I agree with Pronger and Tucker but why Heatley]

Probably because of his second request to trade after signing long term contract. How about his refusal to waive no trade clause after said trade request. Or maybe the vehicular homicide he commited to a teamate which he skated on with regret and bad memories, with his victims family support only to request trade to get as far from them as possible. Maybe he just doesnt like the gap in his teeth. Either way the is good reason Heatley is thought of as a talented bag of crap. Hope this clears that up.
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Posted - 01/28/2010 :  14:01:46  Reply with Quote
All valid points, and you could even argue the talented part... Yes, he's got great numbers but the vast majority of the time all he does is park himself out in front & waits for someone to feed him easy goals.

Put him on a lesser line and I'd be surprised if he topped 25 goals on a complete season.
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JOSHUACANADA
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Canada
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Posted - 01/28/2010 :  14:09:25  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Guest7886

All valid points, and you could even argue the talented part... Yes, he's got great numbers but the vast majority of the time all he does is park himself out in front & waits for someone to feed him easy goals.

Put him on a lesser line and I'd be surprised if he topped 25 goals on a complete season.

Basically, last year Ottawa experimented with splitting the 3 players up to see which could play without support. No surprise Alfredson was consistant while rotating throughout lineup. Spezza seen a good reduction in points, but the big surprise was Heatley was the player who seemed reliant on the other 2 the most and the largest ruduction in overall points. Nobody is gonna say he doesn't have a keen eye for offensive plays and an awesome shot, but he needs to have chemistry with his linemates way more than his linemates need him. Only way he is going to maintain being a part of the best line in the game is if he's is feeding off players of his caliber, especially a gifted passer. Not like Gaborik, Kovalchuk, Ovechkin and Crosby. Those guy carry a line with lessor players.
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ryan93
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Canada
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Posted - 01/28/2010 :  18:19:57  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
For me it's a toss up between 3 guys not on that list...

Patrick Kane
Cory Perry
Scott Hartnall
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baumer
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Posted - 01/29/2010 :  08:17:15  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by HawkinOilCountry

I think my least favorite players of Christmas past are Hasek (OMG embellish more!) and Chelios (should've retried 10 years earlier).

Least favorite players of Christmas present are Pronger (can you tell I'm also an Oilers fan?) and Emery (I think it was Emery. I mean the guy in net when Ottawa went to the final).

And I my least favorite future NHLer is Taylor Hall. I think this kid is being way over-hyped. Give me Cam Fowler before this kid.

The arena wall in chicago should be credited with a goal.



Couldn't agree more with the pick of the fututre. I have seen Fowler, Seguin , and Hall play this year. Seguin, in my opinion , should be #1 with Fowler a close second and in all honesty, I saw nothing that convinced me Taylor Hall is the future of an NHL franchise. As to the most hated player I have to go with Steve Downie. i know he's toned it down a bit but I just can't forgive him for sucker punching Jason Blake last year. Seriously, who punches a guy with Leukemia. lol
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Posted - 01/29/2010 :  09:44:43  Reply with Quote
Geoff Courtnall
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Matt_Roberts85
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Canada
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Posted - 01/29/2010 :  10:41:28  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Sensfan101

quote:
Originally posted by Matt_Roberts85

Maxim Lapiere, Alex Burrows, Patrick Kaleta, Chris Neil.

All of them are ******* who talk tough but never really back it up, Neil will fight, but only guys smaller than him. Lapiere will drop the gloves, but wont throw a single punch, watch the fight earlier this year against colby armstrong, colby lays a clean hit on bergeron then lapiere just grabs him and hangs on..... what a *****.Kaleta cheapshots guys then turtles when its time to answer the bell and we all know about Burrows now.

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There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E".


Neil only fights guys smaller than him?? are you serious!? clearly you don't watch hockey if you can say that with a straight face. Neil is not a very big guy and will fight anybody if he thinks it will help the team.



Really?

Neil has 8 fights this year and only 3 have been against guys bigger than him, Mike Rupp and Eric Godard and Luke Schenn.

Neil will fight the 20 year old schenn no prob, hes still a kid but he runs like a scalded dog from Colton Orr. Im telling you, you will never see Neil (or very rarley) take on legitamite heavyweights in the NHL, he only fights the middle weights or below. Yet he talks like a heavyweight and sens fans put him in the same category,

By the way, on hockey fights.com Rupp and Godard were both declared the victors by the voting public, more proof that he cant dance with the big boys.

There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E".
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JOSHUACANADA
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Canada
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Posted - 01/29/2010 :  10:44:14  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Matt_Roberts85

quote:
Originally posted by Sensfan101

quote:
Originally posted by Matt_Roberts85

Maxim Lapiere, Alex Burrows, Patrick Kaleta, Chris Neil.

All of them are ******* who talk tough but never really back it up, Neil will fight, but only guys smaller than him. Lapiere will drop the gloves, but wont throw a single punch, watch the fight earlier this year against colby armstrong, colby lays a clean hit on bergeron then lapiere just grabs him and hangs on..... what a *****.Kaleta cheapshots guys then turtles when its time to answer the bell and we all know about Burrows now.

[Moderator Edit - Some might be offended with such words]



There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E".


Neil only fights guys smaller than him?? are you serious!? clearly you don't watch hockey if you can say that with a straight face. Neil is not a very big guy and will fight anybody if he thinks it will help the team.



Really?

Neil has 8 fights this year and only 3 have been against guys bigger than him, Mike Rupp and Eric Godard and Luke Schenn.

Neil will fight the 20 year old schenn no prob, hes still a kid but he runs like a scalded dog from Colton Orr. Im telling you, you will never see Neil (or very rarley) take on legitamite heavyweights in the NHL, he only fights the middle weights or below. Yet he talks like a heavyweight and sens fans put him in the same category,

By the way, on hockey fights.com Rupp and Godard were both declared the victors by the voting public, more proof that he cant dance with the big boys.

There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E".

Matt thats because Neil is a middle weight and an agitator. He makes no claim to being the heir apparent to Laraque.
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Posted - 03/13/2010 :  22:26:11  Reply with Quote
Cindy Crosby is high up there but i have to say Byfuglian (if thats spelt right)
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irvine
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Posted - 03/14/2010 :  16:41:20  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I voted for Steve Downie the other day, but I wasn't going to post about it.

However, after today, I think I will...


Downie is as useless as they come. Forget Cooke, Downie is the lowest of the low. This kid brings nothing to the table, except a bad attitude and garbage plays.

How many suspensions must a guy have (suspensions that do not even relate to a hockey mistake), ones that are just complete garbage. Must a guy have, before being tossed from the NHL?

In junior, the guy knocked his own teammates teeth out during practice (punched him) during an argument. Other suspensions during junior also. Comes to the NHL, gains a 20 game suspension during pre-season for more garbage hits. Has seen more suspensions since then as well.

Now, slew foots Crosby and lands on his leg, looked like the leg snapped. Luckily, Crosby has strong enough legs that he was able to continue the game.

The guy is just CRAP. A coward, who can't play a clean game. I just hate this guy. Why is he Canadian? :(

Irvine/prez.
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Sensfan101
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Posted - 03/14/2010 :  19:11:21  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Matt_Roberts85

quote:
Originally posted by Sensfan101

quote:
Originally posted by Matt_Roberts85

Maxim Lapiere, Alex Burrows, Patrick Kaleta, Chris Neil.

All of them are ******* who talk tough but never really back it up, Neil will fight, but only guys smaller than him. Lapiere will drop the gloves, but wont throw a single punch, watch the fight earlier this year against colby armstrong, colby lays a clean hit on bergeron then lapiere just grabs him and hangs on..... what a *****.Kaleta cheapshots guys then turtles when its time to answer the bell and we all know about Burrows now.

[Moderator Edit - Some might be offended with such words]



There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E".


Neil only fights guys smaller than him?? are you serious!? clearly you don't watch hockey if you can say that with a straight face. Neil is not a very big guy and will fight anybody if he thinks it will help the team.



Really?

Neil has 8 fights this year and only 3 have been against guys bigger than him, Mike Rupp and Eric Godard and Luke Schenn.

Neil will fight the 20 year old schenn no prob, hes still a kid but he runs like a scalded dog from Colton Orr. Im telling you, you will never see Neil (or very rarley) take on legitamite heavyweights in the NHL, he only fights the middle weights or below. Yet he talks like a heavyweight and sens fans put him in the same category,

By the way, on hockey fights.com Rupp and Godard were both declared the victors by the voting public, more proof that he cant dance with the big boys.

There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E".



Neil is not on the team just for fighting. He is not a talentless goon. He is an amazing checker and a above average 4th liner who is very useful in front of the net on the powerplay. Who cares if he lost a fight to a goon who can barely skate.

You miss 100 percent of the shots you don't take Wayne Gretzky
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Posted - 03/14/2010 :  21:21:49  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by irvine

I voted for Steve Downie the other day, but I wasn't going to post about it.

However, after today, I think I will...


Downie is as useless as they come. Forget Cooke, Downie is the lowest of the low. This kid brings nothing to the table, except a bad attitude and garbage plays.

How many suspensions must a guy have (suspensions that do not even relate to a hockey mistake), ones that are just complete garbage. Must a guy have, before being tossed from the NHL?

In junior, the guy knocked his own teammates teeth out during practice (punched him) during an argument. Other suspensions during junior also. Comes to the NHL, gains a 20 game suspension during pre-season for more garbage hits. Has seen more suspensions since then as well.

Now, slew foots Crosby and lands on his leg, looked like the leg snapped. Luckily, Crosby has strong enough legs that he was able to continue the game.

The guy is just CRAP. A coward, who can't play a clean game. I just hate this guy. Why is he Canadian? :(

Irvine/prez.


I completely agree with that. Cooke also does not bring a lot to the table in this case though. (it would of been nice if Crosby got injured though)
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Alex116
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Posted - 03/14/2010 :  23:07:38  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Sensfan101

Neil is not on the team just for fighting. He is not a talentless goon. He is an amazing checker and a above average 4th liner who is very useful in front of the net on the powerplay. Who cares if he lost a fight to a goon who can barely skate.

You miss 100 percent of the shots you don't take Wayne Gretzky



Sensfan....i will give Neil credit for Sat night for having a go with Rypien. While he doesn't count as a heavyweight by any means, there's not a lot of middle weights or especially lightweight who're willing to drop'em with Rypien! Yeah, Neil's bigger, but Rypien's no easy task, not to mention, it was a pretty good fight! The announcer's gave the decision to Rypien, but he was sporting a little blood from a cut below his eye? Not sure if it was a prior cut that opened up but regardless, it was a good battle that'd i'd call a draw.
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Posted - 03/15/2010 :  11:31:10  Reply with Quote
For least favourite hockey players, you gotta go with the players that should not even be players - Boorgaard is far and away the leader in that category. Can't skate worth a damn, can't pass, can't shoot. When he's on the ice he's just running from hit to hit, trying to get guys to fight. Useless. Reminds me of Peter Worrell, the other goon that fit into that category about 10 years ago. How Minnesota can waste any cap room on this guy is beyond me.

quote:
And Burrows backs up what?? How many fights has this bag of pucks been in this year?? Last year?? He has zero major penalties this season and 4 last year. For a guy that plays like that to never fight is a joke. He doesn't back anything up. Scoring is not the back up I am talking about. It means when you talk crap and you instigate, you back it up with your fists. He doesn't do that and neither does Cooke.


Beans, seriously, you gotta get off the Burrows hate train. Sure, you don't like him - but your least favourite player in the league? Really?!? I wouldn't like him much if he didn't play for the Canucks, but you gotta respect that he is effective without being a total goon. I don't think any Canucks fan will ever claim that he is the best player on the ice, or that he is an elite player like Lecavalier or Iginla, but he is a formidable opponent that does his job (pest that can score) very well. Whether you want to admit it or not, he is a very good defensive forward that backchecks well, and his penalty killing skills are amongst the best in the league - Burrows and Kesler are perhaps the best penalty killing tandem there is right now. He can score, he can hit, he can skate well. He gets under the skin of opposing players, and can back it up when he has to.

He has 1 fighting major this year BTW, last week in Nashville vs Hamhuis. You say that he never fights, but it takes 2 to tango - I have never seen him back down from a fight, so perhaps no one is seriously challenging? Do you have a particular example of an occasion that an opponent has dropped the gloves looking for a fight with Burrows and he has skated away?

quote:
If he couldn't score, I would think you would have the same thoughts about him as you do about Cooke.


If Burrows couldn't score, he would not be in the NHL, and this discussion would be moot.
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