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| Alex116 |
Posted - 04/06/2011 : 22:45:51
Surprised no one has mentioned this hit from last night. Torres is surely going to get suspended and likely miss at least the openner of the Canucks' first round series, and maybe more?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWu2gyZ6XcE
Amazing, these guys still haven't figured it out!!! Torres claims if he didn't throw that hit that he'd "be out of a job" and that Eberle shouldn't have put himself in such a vulnerable position. Eberle claims, and i believe him, that he figured Torres would play the puck, and therefore tried reaching for it, thus putting him in a vulnerable spot. I put far less blame on Eberle in a situation like this than i do the ones into the end boards where guys turn into the boards face first!
I'm gonna predict 3 games as the 1 playoff game will be weighted accordingly. Just my guess...... |
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| OILINONTARIO |
Posted - 04/09/2011 : 12:25:00
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Originally posted by Alex116
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Originally posted by OILINONTARIO
Alright. Looked at it plenty. When the hit occurs, Raffi's arm from shoulder to elbow is at about a 10 degree angle. As he follows through, however, it increases to close to 45 degrees, with the elbow raising at Eberle's head level. Seems to indicate intent. Just glad Eberle is OK.
The Oil WILL make the playoffs in 2012.
How in the world are you measuring this? And even if it's accurate, 10 degrees would basically be at his side, def not sticking out whatsoever. And, when it comes to the "follow through", tell me this.....have you ever skated and hit a guy? Do you not think maybe his "follow through" was an attempt to stay on his own feet, as in, for balance?
Again, i'm not saying the hit was totally legal by any means, but i still think it was more interference, than elbowing!
Yeah. You know, I looked again, and you are right. I was going to say, "you were right, but still....", and then I decided to reread the whole thread, beginning with your original post, and pretty much agreed with you throughout. So, enough said then.
The Oil WILL make the playoffs in 2012. |
| n/a |
Posted - 04/08/2011 : 18:40:05
All rhetoric aside, as a guy watching from the sidelines (finally had a second to see this), it was a suspendable hit, and the NHL probably got it just about right.
Lucky for Eberle that it was the middle of the arm, and not the shoulder or elbow . . . would have been laid out and concussed then.
It was a predatory hit, on a guy who was not going to reach the puck. Without it being a headshot, it's interference; but I think it's the right call to say it is what it is, and give Torres and the league a strong message: predatory hits on players that are only meant to hurt/take out a guy, are unacceptable.
It is harsh though, for a "first time" offender (like calling Chara a first time offender, as if actual suspension and offence are equal). This is the second suspension where I can actually say that . . . it's a good sign.
"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug |
| Alex116 |
Posted - 04/08/2011 : 16:26:32
I just knew this would stir the pot!!
I wasn't referring so much to the hit in general, which in today's NHL is suspendable, as much as i was to the suspension itself and the fact that imo, he had some interesting comments such as.....
"Even staid TSN broadcaster Bob McKenzie expressed some shock on TEAM 1040 that the NHL would veer so wildly away from its own inconsistent precedents to seriously impact a first-round playoff series.
And for what?
Torres is not a repeat offender. He did not leave his feet or stick out his elbow. He did not injure a player. Jordan Eberle saw him coming and had time to raise his right arm to protect himself. That alone means you can argue the hit was not blindside."
Sure, he talks about the hit, but he doesn't say it was clean or legal, just that it wasn't blindside or a blatant elbow! He simply reports what Torres felt about it and implies that even if it was illegal, the penalty seems stiff. How can anyone here argue that when no one that i recall, predicted the suspension to be as long as it is???
Further, he compares it to the hits by Heatley and Marchand:
But based on the two-game suspensions both Dany Heatley and Brad Marchand recently got for more predatory head shots, where they blatantly stuck out their elbows before contact, you have to ask yourself, just who is out of touch here?
Based on what we’ve seen most of the year, the Torres head shot was worth two games.
The best guess around the NHL was that Torres got two playoff games because the Canucks had already clinched the Presidents’ Trophy and their two last games were meaningless. Tell that to the fans who paid hundreds to see them.
Finally, he goes to discuss:
1. The possibility that the league came down harder because the final two Canucks games are more or less meaningless to them.
2. How this punishes the Canucks moreso than it does Torres because he won't be paid in the playoffs anyway (a point which i disagree with)
3. How it's possible (*warning* conspiracy theory coming) that the league came down harder on them (Canucks) in that
"The Torres decision is another subjective one that opens the NHL up to all sorts of questions.
For example, if the NHL was irked at the way the Canucks have juggled their injuries and salary cap all year, would they possibly take it out on them now, when given this opportunity? You have to believe they wouldn’t. But biases have been exposed in the past.
He even brings up the reference Mike Gillis made (obviously sticking up for his player) to the Pacioretty hit and comments how it was possibly a "sly reference to the NHL’s decision not to suspend Zdeno Chara for his harsh collision with Max Pacioretty."
So, this "logical" guy doesn't really see as much bias as you. Sure, he's a Vancouver writer, and i did say there was some bias, but i see a whole lot more than just a guy writing about how the Canucks got burned or that the hit was legal.
See it as you will. 
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| fat_elvis_rocked |
Posted - 04/08/2011 : 14:32:15
The best part of the first article was the first comment after it, where a user stated that the same people who were crying for an end to the headshots(reporters and media), are the first ones to question any suspension from it., how true.
I wonder how the perception would change if it were a Sedin caught with the same hit, same end result. Would anyone still think 4 for a hit on them would be an issue? I think not, I think those same people who question the suspension would be asking for more if that were the case.
I like the suspension, and I think Torres is one of those guys, who although never suspended, skirted the edges of respect and taking advantage of players in vulnerable positions. I'd like to think this played in to the length of the suspension and will hopefully send a fairly clear message to some of those other 3rd and 4th liners who play with that same edge.
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| Beans15 |
Posted - 04/08/2011 : 13:58:30
Worth a read?? Are you kidding?? Dude, for a logical guy I am shocked that you would say 'some bias,' as that was one of the most biased articles I have ever read!!
People just don't get it. Forget the past. Hit someone in the head and find out what happens.
If you would like to see an actual local story with 'some bias' please take a look at this from the Calgary Herald as reported by Jim Matheson from the Edmonton Journal. This should be heavily biased towards the Oilers, right??
Take the time to read the comments by Brent Sutter.
This is slightly biased reporting. The report from the Province was something I would expect out of Toronto or Montreal. What a joke.
http://www.calgaryherald.com/sports/Eberle+head+feels+fine+after+Torres/4573512/story.html?cid=megadrop_story |
| Alex116 |
Posted - 04/08/2011 : 12:35:04
Great article here http://www.theprovince.com/sports/hockey/canucks-hockey/Head+shot+ruling+raises+questions/4579082/story.html by Jason Botchford (Vancouver Province) regarding the Torres suspension. Sure, he's a local writer and may show some bias, but he brings up a lot of good comparisons and speculation in his article. Worth the read. |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 04/08/2011 : 12:12:29
Direct contact to the head is relevant. The point of the body that made contact first or last isn't revelvant. I can appreciate defending hockey plays and/or physical play but this is one thing. That is, Torres tried to time a hit and missed. Eberle did not have the puck.
My final point on this is that Torres and his comments are a great example of what's wrong with the NHL today. Rather than take his lumps and admit the play was at the least borderline, he argues his role in the NHL and that if he didn't play like that he wouldn't have a job.
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| Alex116 |
Posted - 04/07/2011 : 22:56:27
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Originally posted by OILINONTARIO
Alright. Looked at it plenty. When the hit occurs, Raffi's arm from shoulder to elbow is at about a 10 degree angle. As he follows through, however, it increases to close to 45 degrees, with the elbow raising at Eberle's head level. Seems to indicate intent. Just glad Eberle is OK.
The Oil WILL make the playoffs in 2012.
How in the world are you measuring this? And even if it's accurate, 10 degrees would basically be at his side, def not sticking out whatsoever. And, when it comes to the "follow through", tell me this.....have you ever skated and hit a guy? Do you not think maybe his "follow through" was an attempt to stay on his own feet, as in, for balance?
Again, i'm not saying the hit was totally legal by any means, but i still think it was more interference, than elbowing! |
| Alex116 |
Posted - 04/07/2011 : 22:54:00
quote:
Originally posted by Guest7326
I remember the 70's, when hungry lions and speeding cars were used as a deterrent to cheapshots. Bring back those days, and we wouldn't need helmets, visors, video replay, debates, Colin Campbell, goons, salary caps, Beans, The Duke, stanchions, concussions, playoffs, Slozo, Nucks fans, OILINONTARIO, Peter Forsberg, Bettman, Fat Elvis, Todd Bertuzzi, MINNESOTA, SAN JOSE, WHAT ELSE DO I HAVE TO SAY?
Whew....looks like i'd still be needed! |
| Lunchbox |
Posted - 04/07/2011 : 22:03:30
I think the league got the message across perfectly. Torres wasn't trying to play the puck, he was trying to hit Eberle. If Eberle has the puck on his stick, maybe he gets a game or two because of the heightened sensitivity of the whole blind side thing.
How Torres can say he was going for the puck, when the puck is going towards the boards and Torres is going north-south towards Eberle is beyond me. If he turns towards the boards and pushes sideways on Eberle, knocking him skates over teakettle, no penalty at all...maybe two for interference.
The suspendable offence was targeting a player in a vulnerable position, on a non-hockey play, which it looks to me is what happened. Maybe four games is pushing it, but not out of this world. |
| fat_elvis_rocked |
Posted - 04/07/2011 : 21:30:16
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Originally posted by Guest4803
The more i watch it the less of a headshot i see, torres first makes contact with eberle's shoulder which is leaning out towards the puck, hard to see if it does catch his head or like FER said if its just the whiplash reaction from being crushed, either way i dont agree with the punishment based on recent events i can understand people saying it looks like a blindside hit and that he wasnt going for the puck yes thats kinda true, however most the time when your linining a guy up for a hit your generally not playing the puck its the guy your hitting who has it or is attempting too, for the blindeside aspect he should of received a game or two tops, eberle mentioned he did see him but expected him to play the puck. Those statements about people putting themselves in a vunerable position not receiving any blame is like saying some guy who jumps into a lions cage isnt to blame if the lion attacks him, or someguy crossing a freeway isnt to blame if he gets flattened by a car, know where you are and what or who else is around you is your responsibilty.
You may have a point there, but I know for a fact if you happen to run over a lion on the freeway.....it's 5 and a game for sure. Now if the lion is in a cage and you hit him on the freeway? You're obviously DUI and took a left in to the zoo, instead of the right you needed to take to get back home to IHaveNoValidArgumentsville. |
| polishexpress |
Posted - 04/07/2011 : 21:21:12
What angers me the most about this is that Torres is quoted saying this: quote:
"It was a fine hit," Torres said after the game Tuesday. "I was finishing my hit and he had his head down. We were both going for the puck. I've got to finish my hits. He was obviously in a vulnerable position but at the end of the day I have to finish my hit or else I am out of a job.
"If they are trying to get rid of clean hits like that, what's this league going to be in a couple of years?"
Here's the link: http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/news/story?id=6305001
Now tell me, Torres says he knew that Eberle was in a vulnerable position, yet he still hit him! Torres said "we were both going for the puck" the puck was feet away from Eberle, in fact, Eberle's head was down because he was reaching for a puck that was away from him!
This is what I never have understood about hockey: checking came to the sport in order to separate the player from the puck. If a player is already away from the puck, is there any need to try to remove the player from the puck again? (Yes, I understand the intimidation factor plays in...)
In addition, there was already another Canuck player around the puck, all Torres needed to do was to protect the puck for a second, and the other player would have had it.
There was absolutely no HOCKEY reason to lay the hit on Eberle. If you want to intimidate them, lay a good hip check on them like Doughty did earlier in the year on Hall. |
| fat_elvis_rocked |
Posted - 04/07/2011 : 21:16:07
Disclaimer--------
The whole head snapping back thingy is in reference to a rather odd debate that happened in here a while ago, involving Joe Thornton and David Perron, I wasn't being serious.
Also, any references made to incidental contact were a tongue in cheek shot at the whole Steckel/Crosby dialogue, also not serious.
As well, I refer to peanut butter and banana sandwiches every now and then, but don't let that lead anyone to believe that I could actually be Elvis and Fat, he is obviously dead....maybe.
But....I do actually rock.
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| Pushrod |
Posted - 04/07/2011 : 20:53:36
quote:
Originally posted by Guest4803
The more i watch it the less of a headshot i see, torres first makes contact with eberle's shoulder which is leaning out towards the puck, hard to see if it does catch his head or like FER said if its just the whiplash reaction from being crushed, either way i dont agree with the punishment based on recent events i can understand people saying it looks like a blindside hit and that he wasnt going for the puck yes thats kinda true, however most the time when your linining a guy up for a hit your generally not playing the puck its the guy your hitting who has it or is attempting too, for the blindeside aspect he should of received a game or two tops, eberle mentioned he did see him but expected him to play the puck. Those statements about people putting themselves in a vunerable position not receiving any blame is like saying some guy who jumps into a lions cage isnt to blame if the lion attacks him, or someguy crossing a freeway isnt to blame if he gets flattened by a car, know where you are and what or who else is around you is your responsibilty.
Everyone should be aware of what's around them, can't argue that. But everyone now knows that they may be getting a suspension for hits anywhere near the head. Unfortunately it's not consistent yet but hopefully that comes.
In other words, the person who makes the reckless hit should get a lot of the blame, as they are well aware of the potential consequences and can no longer play the ignorant card. The game is changing and it's up to the players to adjust. |
| sahis34 |
Posted - 04/07/2011 : 20:04:46
He's targeted the head before(jason williams in the 06 playoffs), it looked like he did it again
Go OILERS Go!!! |
| Guest7326 |
Posted - 04/07/2011 : 17:46:45
quote:
Originally posted by Guest4803
Those statements about people putting themselves in a vunerable position not receiving any blame is like saying some guy who jumps into a lions cage isnt to blame if the lion attacks him, or someguy crossing a freeway isnt to blame if he gets flattened by a car, know where you are and what or who else is around you is your responsibilty.
I remember the 70's, when hungry lions and speeding cars were used as a deterrent to cheapshots. Bring back those days, and we wouldn't need helmets, visors, video replay, debates, Colin Campbell, goons, salary caps, Beans, The Duke, stanchions, concussions, playoffs, Slozo, Nucks fans, OILINONTARIO, Peter Forsberg, Bettman, Fat Elvis, Todd Bertuzzi, MINNESOTA, SAN JOSE, WHAT ELSE DO I HAVE TO SAY?
Some of you know the rest. Just having fun with the above comment.
Sorry. |
| OILINONTARIO |
Posted - 04/07/2011 : 17:21:56
Alright. Looked at it plenty. When the hit occurs, Raffi's arm from shoulder to elbow is at about a 10 degree angle. As he follows through, however, it increases to close to 45 degrees, with the elbow raising at Eberle's head level. Seems to indicate intent. Just glad Eberle is OK.
The Oil WILL make the playoffs in 2012. |
| fat_elvis_rocked |
Posted - 04/07/2011 : 17:19:33
quote:
Originally posted by leigh
ummm that is far to many exclamation marks FER. I am unable to determine which sentence is more emphatic for you. But now that you've told me what my opinion should be I feel a lot better. Thanks. 
Not a problem my friend, if you'd like we can work on which Alberta you should really be cheering for as well?
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| Guest4803 |
Posted - 04/07/2011 : 17:18:50
The more i watch it the less of a headshot i see, torres first makes contact with eberle's shoulder which is leaning out towards the puck, hard to see if it does catch his head or like FER said if its just the whiplash reaction from being crushed, either way i dont agree with the punishment based on recent events i can understand people saying it looks like a blindside hit and that he wasnt going for the puck yes thats kinda true, however most the time when your linining a guy up for a hit your generally not playing the puck its the guy your hitting who has it or is attempting too, for the blindeside aspect he should of received a game or two tops, eberle mentioned he did see him but expected him to play the puck. Those statements about people putting themselves in a vunerable position not receiving any blame is like saying some guy who jumps into a lions cage isnt to blame if the lion attacks him, or someguy crossing a freeway isnt to blame if he gets flattened by a car, know where you are and what or who else is around you is your responsibilty. |
| Alex116 |
Posted - 04/07/2011 : 16:49:36
Wow, this thread sure took off! 
I think the worst part is what someone already mentioned, and that's the fact that Torres could have got to the puck and got possesion. If anything, HE should have been the one getting hit! Finishing your check? Eberle shot, rebound was put wide by someone else, Eberle turns to go after it but never touches it, therefore, it's not a case of finishing a check, moreso a case of blatant interference, roughing, etc!!! It's not as though Eberle just dished off a nice pass and was admiring it! I guess what i'm saying is, i agree with Pasty!
FER, earlier i said he was a first time offender as that's what i'd heard but i just heard on the radio that in fact he's been caught with reckless play before, so i guess he does have a history. Maybe that's why the suspension was a little more than most thought it would be.
OIL...i'm ont a Flames fan by any means, but i kinda agree with Leigh. It wasn't a blatant elbow. See the link to the Bure hit i provided, or look at Matt Cooke's most recent, if you wanna see what a true elbowing penalty is all about! Fact of the matter in regards to hitting is that every NHL player has an arm dangling down from his shoulder. When hitting a guy, it's usually with the side of your body and therefore said arm is there! Does Torres' elbow come up BEFORE contact? NO! Have another look.
It's still a hit to the head, i won't argue that, and deserved of a suspension.
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| leigh |
Posted - 04/07/2011 : 16:46:57
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Originally posted by fat_elvis_rocked
quote:
Originally posted by leigh
Eberle was vulnerable and although he was reaching for the puck he didn't quite touch it, so in that respect it was a bad hit.
As for an elbow, it wasn't; it was a shoulder. The elbow came up on the follow through and was a non-factor.
As for a hit to the head, it looked incidental. Initial contact was to the shoulder and arm.
Didn't like the fact that Eberle was vulnerable, but loved the rest of the hit. Don't like the suspension at all. Personally I didn't think he deserved a suspension but these days who knows.
Incidental??? How can you say incidental????
These are super duper athletes who have superhuman vision of about 1000 1000 and they react one billiion times faster than you or I. Incidental? Really? That...............(wait for it).................boggles my mind!!!!!
And besides it wasn't an elbow to the head, it was an upper arm shiver to the neck causing the head to snap back in the direction that it wouldn't be conventionally possible, only looking like a head shot, instead of the head butting major that should have been called against Eberle!!!
Beans is right, it's fun being 12.
ummm that is far too many exclamation marks FER. I am unable to determine which sentence is more emphatic for you. But now that you've told me what my opinion should be I feel a lot better. Thanks. |
| fat_elvis_rocked |
Posted - 04/07/2011 : 16:38:03
quote:
Originally posted by leigh
Eberle was vulnerable and although he was reaching for the puck he didn't quite touch it, so in that respect it was a bad hit.
As for an elbow, it wasn't; it was a shoulder. The elbow came up on the follow through and was a non-factor.
As for a hit to the head, it looked incidental. Initial contact was to the shoulder and arm.
Didn't like the fact that Eberle was vulnerable, but loved the rest of the hit. Don't like the suspension at all. Personally I didn't think he deserved a suspension but these days who knows.
Incidental??? How can you say incidental????
These are super duper athletes who have superhuman vision of about 1000 1000 and they react one billiion times faster than you or I. Incidental? Really? That...............(wait for it).................boggles my mind!!!!!
And besides it wasn't an elbow to the head, it was an upper arm shiver to the neck causing the head to snap back in the direction that it wouldn't be conventionally possible, only looking like a head shot, instead of the head butting major that should have been called against Eberle!!!
Beans is right, it's fun being 12. |
| OILINONTARIO |
Posted - 04/07/2011 : 16:19:46
quote:
Originally posted by leigh
Eberle was vulnerable and although he was reaching for the puck he didn't quite touch it, so in that respect it was a bad hit.
As for an elbow, it wasn't; it was a shoulder. The elbow came up on the follow through and was a non-factor.
As for a hit to the head, it looked incidental. Initial contact was to the shoulder and arm.
Didn't like the fact that Eberle was vulnerable, but loved the rest of the hit. Don't like the suspension at all. Personally I didn't think he deserved a suspension but these days who knows.
You're not the first Flames fan I've met who couldn't tell an elbow from another part of the human anatomy.
The Oil WILL make the playoffs in 2012. |
| Guest4803 |
Posted - 04/07/2011 : 16:17:17
hopefully we can all agree no matter what side your on that the nhl needs to be WAY more CONSISTENT in handing out punishment. |
| Guest4803 |
Posted - 04/07/2011 : 15:52:41
his head is at his own knees, he couldnt possibly hit anything else |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 04/07/2011 : 15:33:22
When has it ever been legal to 'finish your check' to a players head??? Elbow, shoulder, knees, toes, it doesn't matter.
I don't get it......... |
| Guest7100 |
Posted - 04/07/2011 : 15:26:11
I can understand suspending him maybe 1 or 2 games because it was a blindside hit, other then that though he doesnt raise his elbow he just finishes his check, there have been a few headshots since the nhl talked about their 5 step plan back in march at the GM meetings, unfortunatley the refs have failed in the fact they havent sent a single player to be assesed by the medical staff for the mandatory 15mins. |
| Pushrod |
Posted - 04/07/2011 : 15:18:46
Love this video, is this not one of those moments that could have been avoided, had Vancouver sent a tough guy to take care of this guy instead of letting Bure do it??
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I think there are more than enough topics already going that address your comment here that makes it a little redundant tbar |
| Guest4803 |
Posted - 04/07/2011 : 15:09:53
quote:
Originally posted by Guest7830
Hey Moron, the Bertuzzi incident was how long ago??? Times change. This is the way of the NHL.
And what kind of mental midget claims the player putting themselves in vulnerable positions that are to blame?? Torres wasn't even going for the puck.
It is complete waste of skin idiots like you that give hockey fans a bad name.
Retard.
Bahahaha do you watch hockey? im not talking about that loser steve moore and bertuzzi, but about bertuzzis flying elbow a week ago that went un punished. its fine people like you that make hockey fans shake their heads |
| Guest4830 |
Posted - 04/07/2011 : 15:05:58
quote:
Originally posted by fat_elvis_rocked
There it is! I remembered the incident, no suspension though, probably should have been.
http://youtu.be/D0KC91Wuz2k
or was it this one?
http://youtu.be/XyOiI0Kl570
this one looks eerily like the Eberle hit;
http://youtu.be/qB_DCwQtYS4
I like Torres, but am beginning to see why they gave him 4.
With todays rules the first one is suspendible. Lateral/east west, blind side hit. The last two were both north south with the responsibility being with the hitee to protect them selves. although, the fact that he didn't let up on Skrastins shows how little respect he has.
I was expecting 3, but am happy with 4. |
| Pasty7 |
Posted - 04/07/2011 : 14:41:38
the thing that bugs me about this hit and makes me see it as suspendable is the fact Torres Clearly leaves the puck behind to deliver the hit. you can see Torres would have been first on the puck and he leaves the puck to make this hit,,
"I led the league in "Go get 'em next time." - Bob Uecker
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| tbar |
Posted - 04/07/2011 : 13:49:01
quote:
Originally posted by Alex116
quote:
Originally posted by nuxfan
So, it looks like Torres got 4 games for the hit. I am a bit surprised - perhaps he got some extra due to his comments after the game.
Ouch! 4? Man, i thought my prediction of 3 might have been a bit harsh considering he's a first time offender (from what i've heard). I guessed 3 because due to the importance of the playoffs, 1 game is more like 1.5 or 2 reg season games.
This seems pretty harsh, comparatively speaking. Maybe the league is getting frustrated and thinking the message isn't getting through?
Of course, others will use the conspiracy theory and try to convince you the league doesn't want the Canucks to win! At that point Beans, it'll be ALL BETTMAN's FAULT!!!
I can only imagine how many games this would get in today's NHL.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oYABjkWiJc&feature=related
Gotta love the 1st youtube comment: "2 mins for diving"... lol
Love this video, is this not one of those moments that could have been avoided, had Vancouver sent a tough guy to take care of this guy instead of letting Bure do it?? |
| leigh |
Posted - 04/07/2011 : 13:45:00
Eberle was vulnerable and although he was reaching for the puck he didn't quite touch it, so in that respect it was a bad hit.
As for an elbow, it wasn't; it was a shoulder. The elbow came up on the follow through and was a non-factor.
As for a hit to the head, it looked incidental. Initial contact was to the shoulder and arm.
Didn't like the fact that Eberle was vulnerable, but loved the rest of the hit. Don't like the suspension at all. Personally I didn't think he deserved a suspension but these days who knows. |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 04/07/2011 : 13:32:10
The asinine comments from Torres continue. Clean hit?? Eberle put his hand up at the last second??? Eberle knew Torres was coming???
Not sure how any of those things are relevant when Torres hit Eberle directly in the head.
What a meatball. |
| fat_elvis_rocked |
Posted - 04/07/2011 : 13:04:26
There it is! I remembered the incident, no suspension though, probably should have been.
http://youtu.be/D0KC91Wuz2k
or was it this one?
http://youtu.be/XyOiI0Kl570
this one looks eerily like the Eberle hit;
http://youtu.be/qB_DCwQtYS4
I like Torres, but am beginning to see why they gave him 4. |
| nuxfan |
Posted - 04/07/2011 : 12:58:39
ha, Bure dishing out elbows to the head, thats classic stuff. I can imagine that would be 10 games today. 2 if he wasn't with the Canucks |
| fat_elvis_rocked |
Posted - 04/07/2011 : 12:55:14
One of very few blurbs I've been able to find reagrding the workding of the new concussion protocol;
'2. The NHL Protocol for Concussion Evaluation and Management has been revised in three areas: 1) Mandatory removal from play if a player reports any listed symptoms or shows any listed signs (loss of consciousness … Motor incoordination/balance problems … Slow to get up following a hit to the head … blank or vacant look … Disorientation (unsure where he is) … Clutching the head after a hit … Visible facial injury in coombination with any of the above). 2) Examination by the team physician (as opposed to the athletic trainer) in a quiet place free from distraction. 3) Team physician is to use ‘an acute evaluation tool’ such as the NHL SCAT 2 [SCAT stands for Sports Concussion Assessment Tool] as opposed to a quick rinkside assessment.'
From what the video shows, Eberle was up quickly, lucid, and obviously the training staff must have been comfortable that he wasn't concussed. That being said, it may show up later, if at all, and the game will have to continually adjust, as it always has when changes have been introduced.
I still think that it is better to send the message regarding these hits, and if I'm not mistaken, Torres has been suspended before for a hit or two, not sure about that, just niggles at the back of brain somewhere, past the porn, hot cars, hot girls, Mcdonalds value meals, and jumpsuits with sequins and big collars. |
| Alex116 |
Posted - 04/07/2011 : 12:34:34
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Originally posted by nuxfan
So, it looks like Torres got 4 games for the hit. I am a bit surprised - perhaps he got some extra due to his comments after the game.
Ouch! 4? Man, i thought my prediction of 3 might have been a bit harsh considering he's a first time offender (from what i've heard). I guessed 3 because due to the importance of the playoffs, 1 game is more like 1.5 or 2 reg season games.
This seems pretty harsh, comparatively speaking. Maybe the league is getting frustrated and thinking the message isn't getting through?
Of course, others will use the conspiracy theory and try to convince you the league doesn't want the Canucks to win! At that point Beans, it'll be ALL BETTMAN's FAULT!!!
I can only imagine how many games this would get in today's NHL.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oYABjkWiJc&feature=related
Gotta love the 1st youtube comment: "2 mins for diving"... lol |
| nuxfan |
Posted - 04/07/2011 : 12:23:22
Guest7830 - I think the "Bertuzzi incident" in question is the elbow to the head he committed a couple of weeks ago, not THE BERTUZZI INCIDENT.
So, it looks like Torres got 4 games for the hit. I am a bit surprised - perhaps he got some extra due to his comments after the game. |
| Guest7830 |
Posted - 04/07/2011 : 11:25:51
Hey Moron, the Bertuzzi incident was how long ago??? Times change. This is the way of the NHL.
And what kind of mental midget claims the player putting themselves in vulnerable positions that are to blame?? Torres wasn't even going for the puck.
It is complete waste of skin idiots like you that give hockey fans a bad name.
Retard. |
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