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Posted - 08/16/2011 : 05:08:38
When do you think Crosby will come back to the NHL this season?
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Posted - 09/14/2011 : 05:15:00
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Originally posted by nuxfan
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He did it before!! After missing 30+ games with a leg injury he came back to his best production the following season. Granted, he has missed more time and has a more significant injury this time, however I complete agree with Slozo that he would be good for more than PPG if he gets more than 1/2 the season in.
Are you talking about the ankle sprain he had the year Malkin rose to the occasion? I think missing 31 games in the middle of a season - but coming back at the end of the year and playing and then starting the following year - is far different than missing nearly half a season, the entire summer training, all of training camp, and then whatever part of this season he misses before he returns.
Players that miss training camp and can't train in the offseason invariably have pretty slow starts when they do come back. I don't think Crosby will be any different, and his first ~ 10 games will probably be him getting back into shape and into the game. Nah, I don't see him doing PPG if he comes back this year.
I totally disagree with you "getting back in shape" comment.
If Crosby comes back, he will be in fantastic shape - he is already in game shape right now, apparently . . . it's just that he has a totally different standard when it comes to fitness. It's only the head issues holding him back, that's it.
So for me, if he comes back just after Christmas, I am only trying to guess if he plays more tentatively, or if he gets re-injured. Both of those certainly could mitigate his point totals.
Crosby at present had a 1.388 pts per game average.
For 50 games, that translates into 69 points.
So he will be highly motivated, in great shape, and won't have to suffer the rigors of a full season . . . but he may be tentative in some areas, we don't know for sure.
Those two things could even cancel each other out, or he might end up with 55, 60 points in that amount of games.
But I guarantee he WILL be in fantastic shape. His workout regimen is legendary as being a full step above anyone else's in the Penguins lockerroom, and his head injury does not prevent him from staying in relatively great shape to begin with (just can't go above "his" 80 - 90% . . . that means full out for most others).
For me, it's just all about the head, and how much punicshment he can take in the future. We'll never know that until it happens.
"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug |
| nuxfan |
Posted - 09/13/2011 : 21:33:34
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He did it before!! After missing 30+ games with a leg injury he came back to his best production the following season. Granted, he has missed more time and has a more significant injury this time, however I complete agree with Slozo that he would be good for more than PPG if he gets more than 1/2 the season in.
Are you talking about the ankle sprain he had the year Malkin rose to the occasion? I think missing 31 games in the middle of a season - but coming back at the end of the year and playing and then starting the following year - is far different than missing nearly half a season, the entire summer training, all of training camp, and then whatever part of this season he misses before he returns.
Players that miss training camp and can't train in the offseason invariably have pretty slow starts when they do come back. I don't think Crosby will be any different, and his first ~ 10 games will probably be him getting back into shape and into the game. Nah, I don't see him doing PPG if he comes back this year. |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 09/13/2011 : 17:22:05
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Originally posted by nuxfan
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It'd be an interesting play . .. and as mentioned, even with say 50 games, at a diminished pace, he could still get you 60, 70 points, which still makes him a top ten, top 6 player on your team.
Personally, I think you're dreaming if you think a player (even Crosby) can miss a year of hockey, and then come back and score at a > PPG rate immediately. If Sid did come back for 50 games next year, I'd be surprised if he had more than 30 points.
However, the keeper pool Crosby question is an interesting one. Without a doubt he's worth picking up in a keeper
He did it before!! After missing 30+ games with a leg injury he came back to his best production the following season. Granted, he has missed more time and has a more significant injury this time, however I complete agree with Slozo that he would be good for more than PPG if he gets more than 1/2 the season in. |
| Oilearl |
Posted - 09/12/2011 : 15:35:39
Thanks Nuxfan! As our pool is not finalized at work with this being a part of the question to make it fair. I'll pass on to the selectors this and other ideas!!! much appreciated... |
| nuxfan |
Posted - 09/12/2011 : 14:39:45
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It'd be an interesting play . .. and as mentioned, even with say 50 games, at a diminished pace, he could still get you 60, 70 points, which still makes him a top ten, top 6 player on your team.
Personally, I think you're dreaming if you think a player (even Crosby) can miss a year of hockey, and then come back and score at a > PPG rate immediately. If Sid did come back for 50 games next year, I'd be surprised if he had more than 30 points.
However, the keeper pool Crosby question is an interesting one. Without a doubt he's worth picking up in a keeper |
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Posted - 09/12/2011 : 10:20:41
Well over 60% think he'll miss at least a month, probably more at this point (with quite a few thinking retirement will happen sooner rather than later). And when he comes back . . . who knows how he plays? My guess is he will play this season, and he'll be in great shape and ready mentally (he is a fantastic competitor) . . . but it's all about getting one bad knock on the noggin again, and all bets are off.
I am in a keeper pool where get to keep only our top 6 players, and the guy with Crosby says it'll be a draft day decision. Informally talking amongst ourselves, we know someone will pick him up if available, but when? My thought was 3rd, 4th round IF he still isn't skating in full practices at that point.
But at least one guy came up with an interesting point - he'd take Crosby first round - with the thinking that if this year is a bust, at least he'll have him for the year afterward as a keeper.
It'd be an interesting play . .. and as mentioned, even with say 50 games, at a diminished pace, he could still get you 60, 70 points, which still makes him a top ten, top 6 player on your team.
"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug |
| nuxfan |
Posted - 09/12/2011 : 08:38:12
Oilearl - yes, Crosby's status has wreaked havoc on the boxpool that I run. The last couple of years I have created a special box for "superstars", which included only Crosby and OV - pick one. This year, I've had to expand the box to include a few other elite-but-not-true-superstars in order to fill it out, thus removing them from other boxes they would have been in. When you eliminate one of the top players from consideration, it has a cascade effect downwards. |
| Guest8384 |
Posted - 09/12/2011 : 06:38:16
I just drafted a keeper league and gladly took Crosby 6th overall. |
| Oilearl |
Posted - 09/07/2011 : 12:05:18
Would this change his positioning in the box pools? For example would he be moved from the top 2 or 3 point boxes with Ovie, Stamkos, etc. ? |
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Posted - 09/07/2011 : 11:45:58
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Originally posted by Beans15
I didn't read/hear that he was 90% right now. The only time I heard the 90% was when they talked about slowing down his work outs.
We might just be mulling over semantics, but I thought that it was mentioned that at this time Sidney was at about 90% (by one of the doctors). He also answered one of the better questions, of Sid's "90%" not being even close to what most other people's "90%" is, and he likened Sidney Crosby to a finely tuned Ferrari, not a bad analogy really. Anyways, Crosby obviously has an extremely high bar, probably well above most other NHLers, in fact.
Be that as it may, his bar is what we have to go by, and I think for all the poolies out there, we should expect Novemberish at the earliest, January or All star break at the later end, with missing the entire season outright not very likely from what I can see.
Hey, that could still be 60, 70, 80 points.
Someone will still take him in the middle rounds, I'd think.
"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug |
| TheRC |
Posted - 09/07/2011 : 11:22:45
Yeah, best to avoid him in pools this year, unless you really feel like gambling on an early comeback.
Good to hear the doctors repeat that they strongly expect Crosby to make a full recovery and suffer no long term damage.
"If at first you don't succeed, you fail" |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 09/07/2011 : 11:15:40
I didn't read/hear that he was 90% right now. The only time I heard the 90% was when they talked about slowing down his work outs.
Hitting will be completely different Slozo, you are correct. Not only that, I would suggest it will be at least a few weeks after he is cleared to practice with contact before they think about putting him into the game.
All I know is this, I think Crosby will not be a first round pick in my draft this season!! |
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Posted - 09/07/2011 : 10:32:36
Watched a most of the press conference from the beginning. Basically, it's no definitve statement at all, other than:
1) Recovery going well, still not 100%
2) Sid will not come back until 100% (he's at about 90% right now)
3) He says he never cntemplated retiring, really.
Important for me was listening to Sid talk about why he momentarily stopped/change training when he was going "90%" . . . said he felt the two classic symptoms, fogginess, and headaches. That was when he was going in a full practice mode, very close to a game sort of, but without the hitting.
Crosby also said he does plan to come back this season.
My guess? He comes back maybe around Christmas. Remember, full contact drills will be a whole different ballgame.
"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug |
| Alex116 |
Posted - 09/07/2011 : 08:22:10
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Originally posted by Beans15
Trying to decide if I should sell my season opener tickets for Pitt against Edmonton. C'mon Sid, don't let me down!!
That part makes it even worse, doesn't it Beans! The Pens are set to be here on the 6th of Oct to open the season for the Canucks and considering the few times we get to see some of these eastern superstars, it makes this injury even worse to many hockey fans!  |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 09/07/2011 : 07:24:25
I think a big part of the hockey world also hope you are wrong!
The only thing I hope, one way or the other, is that he takes enough time to recovery and be able to continue a long and successful season. If that's 2 weeks, 2 months, or a season it doesn't matter. I think we have all learned about what happens when players come back too early.
Trying to decide if I should sell my season opener tickets for Pitt against Edmonton. C'mon Sid, don't let me down!! |
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Posted - 09/07/2011 : 07:20:48
Well, in a way I hope you're right Beans . . . but that'll be a huge disappointment for hockey poolies everywhere, as the huge doubt will remain.
My guess is he says that he is taking time off from heavy training for an indefinite period of time, at least until Christmas, at which time he will revise his next step.
I do hope I am wrong this time.
"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 09/07/2011 : 06:53:40
I would cut #3 and #4 off that list. I see that as media hype without any kind of substance. Every report that has been written this summer quoting any doctor or medical professional stated he is expected to make a full recovery. Personally, I also think the Christmas/All Star break estimate is unlikely. I was listening to Doug MacLean last week who watched Crosby in the summer on the ice and said he would not be surprised to see him skip training camp but be ready for the season opener or very early in the season. I am not saying that he is the end all/be all of this story, but not every report is bleak and grim.
Also, this press conference is no surprise. It was discussed back during the media hype around him cancelling some ice rentals a few weeks back that Crosby would hold a press conference closer to the start of training camp to address the media. This way, not only does he not have to answer the same questions 5000 times but it will give his team mates a break from those questions too!
I believe the message from Crosby will be that he is not 100% but getting better every day. He will say that he will be at training camp and will be on the ice as soon as the Dr's say he is ready and that he feels ready. He will not answer anything directly if asked of a specific time or date as to when he will be back and we will all continue to be disappointed and the extended leave/retirement talk will continue.
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Posted - 09/07/2011 : 05:53:39
I feel the same way guest, in terms of having a bad feeling about this press conference.
No one has a press conference to tell everyone "all is fine, I am going to be ready for the season opener". That press conference never happens . . . info like that is passed on after everyone sees a player practicing in full contact drills and training as normal.
My guesses for what he announces (from best case to worst case scenario):
1) he is postponing his comeback for an indefinite period of time, looking at a month or two later
2) same thing, except he's aiming to be back between Christmas and the all star break
3) announces he is taking the year off to recover and decide on his future
4) announces retirement
That's the problem right now . . . I can't see a press conference where CROSBY himself speaks that is any better than him delaying his comeback by a couple of months, and frankly, I think it'll be worse than that.
It's a tough blow for hockey.
"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug |
| Guest8149 |
Posted - 09/06/2011 : 19:51:44
Crosby is holding a press conference in Pittsburgh tomorrow (Sept. 7th) to address his return to hockey. I fear the news will not be good, and that he's still suffering post- concussion symptoms. I hope the news is different, but I'm not optimistic that we will see Crosby return to play early this season, if at all this season. |
| nuxfan |
Posted - 08/26/2011 : 17:15:23
for the poolie, I don't think the real worry is "when does Crosby come back" vs "how long until the next concussion". With one this severe, he'll be vulnerable, and if he takes any sort of hit after he comes back (illegal or not), I think he'll be right back out again.
I know that in my pools, someone will take him in the second or third round, hoping for the comeback - that person will not be me. |
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Posted - 08/26/2011 : 12:38:06
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Originally posted by Alex116
Beans, while you are getting sick of hearing the question, think of the hockey pool junkies that most of us are! If it's announced that he won't start the season, where does one gamble and select him in a pool??? Of course, it will always depend on the pool and if you have drop / adds, trades, waivers, etc, but a guy as good as Crosby can and will have someone either running away with a pool, or losing it in a landslide!
How dare he? 
Exactly. On one hand if you choose him you may lose your pool right out of the gate, on the other you can look like a superstar prognosticator. We'll be adding Crosby as a selection option to our first PKH Community Fantasy Pickem for the season (assuming they don't announce his retirement...I'm just sayin') |
| Alex116 |
Posted - 08/26/2011 : 10:32:59
Beans, while you are getting sick of hearing the question, think of the hockey pool junkies that most of us are! If it's announced that he won't start the season, where does one gamble and select him in a pool??? Of course, it will always depend on the pool and if you have drop / adds, trades, waivers, etc, but a guy as good as Crosby can and will have someone either running away with a pool, or losing it in a landslide!
How dare he? |
| Guest4086 |
Posted - 08/26/2011 : 10:32:18
it's similar to Tiger Woods & golf. the second he picks up a club, the media and fans are all over it. is he back to form? will he win another major? will he win another tournament?
.........and *HURL*!!!!!
until Crosby starts playing again, i'm afraid we'll be held to the same kind of headlines all across the hockey world. |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 08/26/2011 : 07:12:46
Thanks for the story Slozo. This seems to be the hot stove topic of the pre-preseason.
The interesting part of this story is how it was started off by saying all agree he is on a path to full recovery. That is a good thing for the NHL,t he Penguins, and Crosby. Regardless of where he is at today, they are saying he will be back to 100% in the future.
But how long is that going to be??? I think the more important question for me is how long is it going to be until I am sick of hearing the, "When is Crosby going to be back," question. That time is not very far off in the future. |
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Posted - 08/26/2011 : 04:49:40
COPIED AND PASTED FROM "THE SPORTING NEWS":
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Sidney Crosby is still struggling with concussion aftermath
Sporting News
Penguins captain Sidney Crosby has visited concussion specialists in Michigan and Georgia and, according to the Pittsburgh Penguins, all agreed that he is on the path to a full recovery from the concussions that have kept him out of action since January.
With camp closing in, there is still no timetable for Crosby's return to action.
Sidney Crosby's concussions are still causing problems, and he might not be ready to play when the 2011-12 NHL season opens. (AP Photo)"I appreciate all the support I've received from my family, friends, teammates and fans and from the entire Penguins organization," Crosby said in a statement to the Penguins. "I know they only want the best for my health and for me to be ready when I return to game action."
According to the story on the Penguins team website, Crosby started having headaches when his workouts reached 90 percent exertion. When that happened, doctors and trainers changed his workouts.
Pittsburgh starts camp on Sept. 16 and GM Ray Shero said Crosby is expected to return to Pittsburgh a week or so ahead of camp. The Penguins open their regular season on Oct. 6 in Vancouver. While he hasn't been ruled out for the season opener, the longer his symptoms linger the less likely it is he'll be ready to open the year.
His agent, Pat Brisson, told the team website that predicting a precise return date for Crosby is virtually impossible.
"We would appreciate patience and understanding at this time," Brisson said. "There has been a lot of speculation swirling over the past several weeks. We wish we could provide more specific details about Sidney's recovery but a concussion is a different kind of injury."
So even the Pens' own website now states that Crosby's symptoms - whether it's headaches or dizziness or whatever - returned at 90% exertion during workouts.
During workouts - not even skating on the ice, and nevermind full contact yet obviously.
Now, supposedly Crosby's workout regimen is legendary for being crazy and over the top in terms of fitness level required . . . but he is certainly not there yet.
Just reporting the facts as we know them, folks.
"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 08/24/2011 : 15:04:04
But you are not going by past history. You are reading into stories to make them more than what they are.
And I quote, "Why can't agents be truthful? Seriously, what is the harm in that? We all love hockey, of course we want to know how the MVP of the league is recovering, and we all know he had a concussion(s) and symptoms afterward . . . so why lie about it in such a childish way? I find it quite ridiculous, myself."
The simple truth is that the agent didn't lie. Did he fully disclose the details of Sidney Crosby's status?? Nope, nor does he have to. As you stated, there is no benefit to the agent or coach telling the story plainly. At the same time, there is no benefit to lie either, which is why they haven't lied. They have answered the point blank questions as well as they can or should.
Did Crosby shut down his workouts?? Nope
Will Crosby be ready to play at training camp?? Don't know yet
Again, where are the lies?? No one is questioning your desire to know more details, but making simple yet honest statements is a far cry from lying. That is what I was making fun of, not you specifically. It was intended in jest and I hope I did not offend you. |
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Posted - 08/24/2011 : 10:59:52
Go ahead then, guys. Make fun of me if it makes you feel better.
Listen to Bylsma and Brisson, his agent.
You can always trust them to tell the truth, un hunh. I mean, they are the ones closest to Sidney Crosby, so they must know the truth, right?
That much is probably true.
But what motivation do they have to tell the truth PLAINLY to the public?
None.
They have proven this before, well before even the playoffs were in sight.
Jan 6, 2011
Bylsma: We are sending Crosby home because of an upper body injury.
Feb 8, 2011
Veteran hockey columnist Mike Brophy of Sportsnet in Canada had tongues a-wagging with this tweet Tuesday afternoon:
"Told Crosby tried light workout and immediately saw black dots and stars. Not even close to starting light workouts again."
Crosby's agent, Pat Brisson, told ESPN.com that people were overanalyzing the situation.
"He is resting right now until he is symptom-free to resume light exercise," Brisson told ESPN.com via e-mail.
And,
Just this summer, Bylsma himself has said he hasn't even asked Crosby about his conussion - seriously! So how the hell would he know anything - IF you were to believe that?
But go ahead, if you like.
Call it a "one man conspiracy" (hint: takes more than one person to make it a conspiracy, dude) that Brisson might not tell the whole truth with his vague and useless statements about a schedule change.
Go ahead and trust everything Bylsma says . . . which isn't much.
But to imagine that there isn't an elevated cause for concern with these reports that he has stopped training, alongside the statement that he has indeed "changed his training scheduled" (changed how? Stopped?) . . . is rather silly, I think.
During the regular season, all those "rumours" and "unfounded and unconfirmed reports" that predicted doom and gloom were mostly true - the ones that can now be confirmed, that is.
I am just going by past history.
"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug |
| Alex116 |
Posted - 08/23/2011 : 16:08:32
So the article in the Weekly World News about Crosby being abducted by aliens is inaccurate?
Jeez, how's a guy supposed to follow hockey if even the Weekly World News is lying??? |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 08/23/2011 : 15:13:11
What on earth are you all talking about!! The reports came out that Crosby is retiring as he has serious brain damage. Someone told someone who told the paper. That can not be refuted!!! All this stuff from people that are actual close to Crosby like his agent and his coach is all blasphemy, rhetoric, and lies!!!
All you sheep can believe what you are told to believe and I will sit back and know the truth.
You guys are dumb.
Hopefully everyone can see the jest in this post. Very few people have the foggiest idea of what is going on and those who do know have zero vested interest in saying things like Crosby is missing the season or retiring or whatever. |
| Guest4312 |
Posted - 08/23/2011 : 13:59:57
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Originally posted by Guest4312
the guy probably just wants a break! (Crosby that is).
he's been trying to reach a certain point in his recovery since march or april and maybe he finally got to that point recently. he hasn't stopped his workouts all summer and maybe he just wants a little time off before an 82 game, 8 month season kicks in.
http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=587303&navid=DL|NHL|home
"Sidney's progressed nicely this summer, he's had a long summer, he's worked out in June and July," Bylsma said. "We're hoping for Sidney to come back in and be ready to go for training camp. I know he's worked out more now than he has probably the last three summers."
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There has been considerable speculation about Crosby's status, much of it inaccurate, Bylsma said.
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| foolpittier |
Posted - 08/23/2011 : 12:20:04
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Originally posted by Guest9504
it makes me marvel at guys like Gretzky who could play at the level he did for over 20 years. Part of being a great player is to not get hurt - and a hell of a lot of luck.
wayne only got hit a handful of time's in 20 yrs
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| Guest7752 |
Posted - 08/23/2011 : 09:10:47
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Originally posted by slozo
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Originally posted by Beans15
Slozo, how do you know the agent is so blatantly lying?? Is it possible that some dude at the rink that Crosby is training at called the press and made false statements?? Is it so hard to think that it might just be the agent telling the truth and the media report being incorrect?? I would agree with you if the agent was saying that Crosby was at 100% and will be ready to go for training camp, but he didn't say that. He said the training was adjusted because of the recovery. He said it is too early to say if Crosby will be ready to go or not. The agent is not denying anything other than Crosby's training was shut down. Until that is proven otherwise, how is the agent lying??
Frankly, I have far more faith in a guy who is that close to Crosby than some guy on a hockey website who is convinced that every hockey report is come kind of conspiracy.
Wow.
So Beans, you say it's possible the agent is telling the truth . . . about his vague statement that didn't really contradict the "rumour", other than him denying that it was concussion related?
So what do you think the reason is for Crosby's "schedule change", as the agent put it?
Acting classes?
New girlfriend who works the night shift?
Wants to just take a break from workouts before the start of the regular season, coming back from a concussion, because he . . . feels like it?
Would love to hear your thoughts.
Oh, and one more thing: an agent lying and/or twisting the truth for his client is not a conspiracy. Stop trying to discredit things with silly buzzwords . . . agents lie all the time, about all kinds of things - in fact, it's pretty normal.
In fact, if you go back and look at statements made after Crosby first missed time . . . I think you'll find it's not the first time.
"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug
Wow…
The Sun only says that Sidney cancelled on-ice workouts and other training activities due to the concussion symptoms returning – and it is unlikely he will be ready for training camp in September.
… all this from “un-named” sources…
Then his Agent clarifies things by saying no one has “shut-down” Sidney. His summer program has been adjusted.
From this:
Slozo questions why his agent has to lie around the truth in such a childish manner.
Does Slozo know the truth?
Then Slozo even says Sidney must be contemplating retirement??
Does Slozo know the truth about Sidney’s retirement plans too???
Finally, Slozo then responds to Beans by saying agents lie all the time, and it's pretty normal.
Well – Slozo knows everything about Sidney’s agent too?
Look how quick you jumped to your conclusion that Sidney is contemplating retirement from a story originated by “un-named” source and written in the SUN!!! AND – you call his agent a liar when he clarifies things!!!!
Wow – you do know it all, don’t you?
It’s no wonder you demand clarification, proof, etc… from posters who have different opinions than you do….. your opinions are based on facts, right?
He's adjusted his trianing schedule - leave it at that. |
| Guest4312 |
Posted - 08/23/2011 : 09:03:42
the guy probably just wants a break! (Crosby that is).
he's been trying to reach a certain point in his recovery since march or april and maybe he finally got to that point recently. he hasn't stopped his workouts all summer and maybe he just wants a little time off before an 82 game, 8 month season kicks in. |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 08/23/2011 : 08:36:46
Slozo, I've already explained my position. Just scroll up and you will see it. I don't have to explain it again. What I think you need to do Sir, it tell me what is the lie??
The original report stated Crosby's training was stopped completely. The agent stated this is not true and the training has been altered due his recovery. Perhaps you should read the entire quote rather than the small part the always reliable Sun Media posted. Here it is:
"Sidney hasn't been shut down by anyone," Brisson said. "He has simply adjusted his summer program accordingly to the different needs for the appropriate recovery. Training camp is in three weeks from now. It is too premature to speculate all kinds of deliberate information at his point.
"Sidney will address the media at the appropriate time in order to give everyone an update. As far as I know training camp hasn't started yet."
And the full TSN story if you wish to read it:
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=374303
Again. Where is the lie??
Oh, and one more thing, conspiracy is not a buzzword. It has been around for ever and really, the definition fits this situation perfectly. |
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Posted - 08/23/2011 : 08:25:28
quote:
Originally posted by Beans15
Slozo, how do you know the agent is so blatantly lying?? Is it possible that some dude at the rink that Crosby is training at called the press and made false statements?? Is it so hard to think that it might just be the agent telling the truth and the media report being incorrect?? I would agree with you if the agent was saying that Crosby was at 100% and will be ready to go for training camp, but he didn't say that. He said the training was adjusted because of the recovery. He said it is too early to say if Crosby will be ready to go or not. The agent is not denying anything other than Crosby's training was shut down. Until that is proven otherwise, how is the agent lying??
Frankly, I have far more faith in a guy who is that close to Crosby than some guy on a hockey website who is convinced that every hockey report is come kind of conspiracy.
Wow.
So Beans, you say it's possible the agent is telling the truth . . . about his vague statement that didn't really contradict the "rumour", other than him denying that it was concussion related?
So what do you think the reason is for Crosby's "schedule change", as the agent put it?
Acting classes?
New girlfriend who works the night shift?
Wants to just take a break from workouts before the start of the regular season, coming back from a concussion, because he . . . feels like it?
Would love to hear your thoughts.
Oh, and one more thing: an agent lying and/or twisting the truth for his client is not a conspiracy. Stop trying to discredit things with silly buzzwords . . . agents lie all the time, about all kinds of things - in fact, it's pretty normal.
In fact, if you go back and look at statements made after Crosby first missed time . . . I think you'll find it's not the first time.
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| Beans15 |
Posted - 08/23/2011 : 07:54:48
Slozo, how do you know the agent is so blatantly lying?? Is it possible that some dude at the rink that Crosby is training at called the press and made false statements?? Is it so hard to think that it might just be the agent telling the truth and the media report being incorrect?? I would agree with you if the agent was saying that Crosby was at 100% and will be ready to go for training camp, but he didn't say that. He said the training was adjusted because of the recovery. He said it is too early to say if Crosby will be ready to go or not. The agent is not denying anything other than Crosby's training was shut down. Until that is proven otherwise, how is the agent lying??
Frankly, I have far more faith in a guy who is that close to Crosby than some guy on a hockey website who is convinced that every hockey report is come kind of conspiracy.
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Posted - 08/23/2011 : 05:36:17
As reported in this morning's Toronto Sun:
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Sidney Crosby's agent denies a report that the Pittsburgh Penguins star has been forced to stop working out after concussion symptoms returned.
CTV News in Halifax reported Monday that Crosby cancelled his on-ice workouts at a Halifax rink and stopped all other training activities when symptoms returned a week ago, citing unnamed sources. The report also says it's unlikely Crosby will be ready for training camp next month.
Not true, according to Pat Brisson of CAA Sports.
"Sidney hasn't been shut down by anyone," Brisson said in a statement. "He has simply adjusted his summer program." Crosby missed the second half of the 2010-11 season with a concussion, the result of two hits in early January. He was hit in the head by Washington Calitals forward David Steckel during the Winter Classic on Jan. 1 then took a second shot a few days later from Tampa Bay Lightning defenceman Victor Hedman.
Before getting hurt, Crosby was tearing up the league. In 41 games he had 32 goals and 34 assists and was on pace to put up career-best numbers.
I love the part where Crosby's agent says "Not true, not true!" then repeats and CONFIRMS that his summer program has been "adjusted", but without the reason why it was adjusted (duh!).
Why can't agents be truthful? Seriously, what is the harm in that? We all love hockey, of course we want to know how the MVP of the league is recovering, and we all know he had a concussion(s) and symptoms afterward . . . so why lie about it in such a childish way? I find it quite ridiculous, myself.
Anyways, looking more grim the closer the season gets. I'd have to think he is seriously contemplating retirement at this point, if he has indeed experienced a serious setback.
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| Guest0056 |
Posted - 08/22/2011 : 20:53:58
Looks like his return may take longer than anyone expected.
Apparently he's cancelled all his ice-time, personal and team time, for next little while.
His symptoms are coming back...
He may have taken a step or two backwards after taking several forward steps.
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| Beans15 |
Posted - 08/21/2011 : 14:09:56
The thing with concussions (from what I have experienced) is everything is based on a rating system. Answers to questions have specific scores and once that score hits a certain level, you are back at it. And it's not normally a consistent or gradual improvement. Again, from my experience, it is literally one day that everything seems to be good again. That is why these are so hard to guess at. It could be tomorrow or it could be 3 months from now.
The bigger concern to me is repeat injuries. Even time he gets hit there is a bigger risk of re-injury and potentially ending his career. Part of what make Crosby amazing is that he does everything at top speed. Will he be able to do that when he returns??? Who knows. |
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Posted - 08/21/2011 : 04:40:00
Guest 4312: finally, you found one shining example! Bergeron, for sure - and he fits the higher end level player as well. Yep, great recovery from him.
Definitely not too many more than that though, as Beans pointed out.
We'll see when training camp officially opens, and if Crosby is there taking contact drills right off the bat. If he is still at some kind of "non-contact" level . . . my guess is he comes back for Christmas, perhaps - best case scenario.
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