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 Posted - 08/16/2011 : 05:08:38
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Poll Question:
When do you think Crosby will come back to the NHL this season?
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Posted - 08/16/2011 : 05:13:57
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There was a reported interview with Ray Shero, GM of the Penguins (from AP - Yahoo Sports):
The Pittsburgh Penguins have no plans to rush star Sidney Crosby back to the ice. General manager Ray Shero said Monday that Crosby is still dealing with concussion-like symptoms and it's too soon to know if he will be available when the Penguins open training camp next month. "There's no expectation from me that he won't be ready or he will be ready," Shero said.
To me personally, when you get reports at first in the summertime that Crosby is working out and everything looks good, and then the GM comes out and basically says that he DOES NOT HAVE ANY EXPECTATION OF WHEN CROSBY MIGHT RETURN, that throws the whole return into a total question mark.
Translation of all that for me is, he is NOT READY RIGHT NOW. He may be ready later - but if he was ready now, Shero would have been able to say that he fully expects Crosby to be at training camp ready to play the start of the season.
In my mind, this is a huge blow to the whole comeback timeline.
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Posted - 08/16/2011 : 09:13:52
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| its gonna be a while I think, start of the season looks bleak at this point. I chose all-star break, but really if it goes that long he'd have to contemplate retirement. |
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Alex116
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Posted - 08/16/2011 : 12:37:16
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| This is so surprising, i don't even see the point in voting! I mean, what the hell do i know about his status??? Not long ago, it was reported that he was pretty much ready to roll, back to good, etc? Now this? Someone's been hiding something perhaps? |
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Posted - 08/16/2011 : 15:43:05
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what a loss for hockey if he was to never come back
what an awesome comeback story if he misses even more time and comes back even better than before |
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Posted - 08/16/2011 : 15:44:55
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i can't see the penguins doing this but a good conspiracy:
what if crosby is completely fine now and they just want to take some pressure off him and the rest of the team? |
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Posted - 08/17/2011 : 00:41:13
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| I've heard myself and so many others say right from day one that he wouldn't have a long career. As the cliche' goes, bright stars burn fast. I expect him to come back, i don't think he's done yet, but I think he one hit away, and lets hope that if it does happen, it at least won't happen for a long time. |
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Posted - 08/17/2011 : 11:02:49
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| it makes me marvel at guys like Gretzky who could play at the level he did for over 20 years. Part of being a great player is to not get hurt - and a hell of a lot of luck. |
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Posted - 08/17/2011 : 11:50:36
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Originally posted by MrBoogedy
I've heard myself and so many others say right from day one that he wouldn't have a long career. As the cliche' goes, bright stars burn fast. I expect him to come back, i don't think he's done yet, but I think he one hit away, and lets hope that if it does happen, it at least won't happen for a long time.
Actually, I remember the opposite:
I remember people saying - in this very forum - that comparing Crosby and Ovechkin, that Ovechkin might have the "brighter" career, but for a shorter period of time due to injuries. People thought Crosby's career might be a long one, considering the way he plays.
Just shows you never can tell how it'll all pan out.
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Posted - 08/17/2011 : 12:40:45
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Correct me if I am wrong, but in the report did Shero not also say that even though Crosby still experiences PCS it has not altered his ability to train and push himself this off season?
I predict he will be back a month into the season.
Also, I dont foresee this becoming an ongoing issue. His previous 5 yrs he went without even really being hit to the head & then one freak accident which, neither player could exactly duplicate if they tried 1000 times rattled his brain.
I like the chances of him playing out the rest of his career fairly healthy. That's just as much hope as it is an opinion. You can argue otherwise, but until the day comes when he retires whether it be 2yrs or 20 none of us know really what to expect.
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Posted - 08/17/2011 : 15:17:19
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| I appreciate that an NHL team is finally treating a concussed player with the utmost caution, not rushing the player to return |
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Posted - 08/17/2011 : 15:57:12
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Most of the stories about Crosby through the summer have be positive on his progress. This and that about following his off season schedule. This the first indication that he will not be ready for the start of the season.
Frankly, I am starting to become someone sceptical on this situation. Post concussion symptoms going on 6 months is not good news.
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Posted - 08/17/2011 : 18:06:36
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Originally posted by Beans15
I don't know what to think anymore. I don't even want to guess.
Exactly why i didn't vote in the poll. Really, do any of us really have any idea of what stage he's at in his recovery? NOPE!
It's ludicrous to even predict a guy's career at this point and especially to buy into any theory along the lines of "bright stars burn fast". This freak accident type thing could happen to ANY player. Marty St. Louis has been a pretty productive player over the years, i didn't see him burn out early, nor did i see Iggy, Lidstrom, Jagr, etc. during their days? For every all star calibre guy who goes down early, there's prob 10 avg players who do the same, basically because of simple math. There's prob 1 in 10 who are considered all stars! |
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Posted - 08/17/2011 : 21:07:44
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It's not a theory, it's a cliche, a hunch, no more. Just my opinion, not something i develpoed some formula for, didn't consult the experts, i just read the topic line and threw in my two cents.
I have a thoery that some people may be too opinionated for they're own good however. |
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Posted - 08/18/2011 : 05:14:19
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Well said Mr. Boogedy.
As if we can't take a guess on this item, as opposed to the hundreds of other items we guess on this website.
Mario66:
I sense a pattern of total and utter denial at this point among you Pens fans, seriously.
When I first brought it up on this website for how the Pens would finish next year and stated that I predict Crosby misses at least a good chunk of the season . . . you came out with indignant responses about how healthy Crosby was, etc.
That is all AFTER a "comeback timeline" was essentially moved at least 3 or 4 times to accomodate a longer recovery time. That was AFTER the rumours that Crosby was in fact contemplating retirement, as suggested by some family members (some reporters tried to reject this rumour as hearsay as well, but it seemed to have legs). And, most importantly (for me, anyways) it was after a LONG SUMMER where Crosby never came out and made a public appearance saying he will be back playing the home opener, and that he is 100% healthy.
In fact, no one came out and said that he was over it officially - no trainer saying he was fully healthy again; no doctor stating he has no further symptoms; no Crosby himself saying anything at all, in fact; and no Pens spokesperson giving any kind of exact information on his health - only very vague references.
When all that happens . . . and the GM throws out the most vague, softball answer he can without just coming out and saying he is definitely not 100% and still recovering . . . then you absolutely MUST consider what some of the bad case scenarios are/could be.
I mean, you HAVE to be very skeptical at this point, as Beans stated . . . 6 months is a LONG recovery time for a concussion, and that alone throws things in doubt. Whether it's because they are really handling him with double the amount of caution as a guy like say Savard when he was recovering - who knows, But it is a long time.
Prepare for the worst, hope for the best. That's the rule I go by!
And I think I speak for all when I say I really do hope Crosby makes a full and complete recovery.
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Posted - 08/18/2011 : 07:42:13
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in all fairness 6 months isn't that long of a time for concussion symptoms there are plenty of guys who miss a year or more:
peter mueller got a concussion in the 2010 playoffs and is going to play opening night
matthew lombardi may play opening night which would be about a year
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Posted - 08/18/2011 : 10:28:55
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in all fairness 6 months isn't that long of a time for concussion symptoms there are plenty of guys who miss a year or more:
peter mueller got a concussion in the 2010 playoffs and is going to play opening night
matthew lombardi may play opening night which would be about a year
I see . . . that's 2 guys who have missed a year. One of which (Lombardi) is only a rumour to return at this point. And we don't how well each will/might perform to compare it to past production.
So, you say there are lots more examples? Give us some more, of players who have actually played after that year off. Should be easy, as you say there are lots.
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Posted - 08/18/2011 : 10:51:09
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Slozo, I hope the comment is directed at Pens fans as a whole (you indicated me) about living in denial when I indicate a month into the season which would be a 9 month period. Anything after that & its safe to say he maybe shutdown for the whole season. I realize the risks that are involved, but when a guy is training up to par as previous yrs (as reported prior the last set back report) one has to believe he is up to about 70 - 80% now. In May he was still unable to par take in any extended practices and exert any amount of energy without feeling woozy.
I'd rather see him sit out two yrs then rush back into anything & ruin his life little own his career. You as a leaf fan should know all about optimism & hope (not meant to be a jab its reality) so I would think you out of all would understand how any die hard Pen fan is going to hold out hope & be filled with optimism the same way Leaf fans Pray Reimer is the real deal & not a flash in the pan. I don't see any Pen fans calling people ludacris about not believing that Crosby will come back better then ever. I just see a fan base that is hoping their prized possession is able to come back & help them win sooner then later much the same as any die hard fan base should.
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Posted - 08/18/2011 : 11:20:19
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Originally posted by Mario 66
Slozo, I hope the comment is directed at Pens fans as a whole (you indicated me) about living in denial when I indicate a month into the season which would be a 9 month period. Anything after that & its safe to say he maybe shutdown for the whole season. I realize the risks that are involved, but when a guy is training up to par as previous yrs (as reported prior the last set back report) one has to believe he is up to about 70 - 80% now. In May he was still unable to par take in any extended practices and exert any amount of energy without feeling woozy.
I'd rather see him sit out two yrs then rush back into anything & ruin his life little own his career. You as a leaf fan should know all about optimism & hope (not meant to be a jab its reality) so I would think you out of all would understand how any die hard Pen fan is going to hold out hope & be filled with optimism the same way Leaf fans Pray Reimer is the real deal & not a flash in the pan. I don't see any Pen fans calling people ludacris about not believing that Crosby will come back better then ever. I just see a fan base that is hoping their prized possession is able to come back & help them win sooner then later much the same as any die hard fan base should.
Every journey begins with a single step.
I do know all about optimism and hope - and I label all my hopes and dreams as just that: hopes and dreams.
It seems like a fairly realistic hope that Reimer could be a half decent goalie for the Leafs. It's probably a slightly unrealistic hope that he plays as well as last year or better.
It's not a realistic hope, and this is just IMHO of course, that a guy constantly postponed his comeback from concussion into a period which will exceed 6 months and onward will come back to play 100% at the same level.
But I also wish it were so, as stated previously.
Didn't want to pee in your cornflakes, dude - just saying Pens fans should be a bit more realistic WHILE still maintaining lots of hope for the future.
That's all.
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Posted - 08/18/2011 : 12:13:52
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there are plenty of guys who miss a year or more:
So, you say there are lots more examples? Give us some more, of players who have actually played after that year off. Should be easy, as you say there are lots.
someone said 6 months is a long time to come back from and i simply stated people that had missed much more time and are anticipated to get back on the ice in the near future, don't twist my words |
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Posted - 08/18/2011 : 14:49:38
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| lindros missed the entire 2000-2001 season from multiple concussions that he had got the previous year and came back in 2001-2002 season to get 37 goals 36 assists for a total of 73 points in 72 games |
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Posted - 08/19/2011 : 05:04:15
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lindros missed the entire 2000-2001 season from multiple concussions that he had got the previous year and came back in 2001-2002 season to get 37 goals 36 assists for a total of 73 points in 72 games
That's a good one, except that Lindros sat out that season not realy because of concussion - because of a trade dispute with then GM Clarke. That's what I remember . . . he had been cleared to play, but sat out. Excerpt from Lindros' Wiki page:
"After Lindros was cleared to play in December, the Flyers refused to deal his rights to the Toronto Maple Leafs, as he preferred, and Lindros sat out the entire 2000–01 season."
So, although that hit by Stevens probably WAS the beginning of the end, he did not in fact sit out the year as a result of concussion. Whether that was because it was a different time, and they had a different response to concussions, I don't know . . . but there it is.
Any others?
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Posted - 08/19/2011 : 07:27:30
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i would dispute the lindros case but instead i'll give another:
patrice bergeron.
Bergeron suffered a season-ending head injury during a game on October 27, 2007. Checked from behind by Philadelphia Flyers defenceman Randy Jones, Bergeron hit his head on the end-boards, knocking him unconscious. He lay motionless on the ice for several minutes before being wheeled off on a stretcher and taken to Massachusetts General Hospital, where he was diagnosed with a broken nose and a grade-three concussion.
In June 2008, Bergeron was reported as being symptom-free during off-season training. He participated in the Bruins' summer development camp (typically for Bruins prospects) with Fernandez,[9] before joining the Bruins' main training camp.[10] He returned to action with the Bruins for the team's pre-season opening game on September 22, 2008,
bergeron came back to win a gold medal and stanley cup within three years of missing not quite a full year of play. |
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Posted - 08/19/2011 : 08:37:12
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Before we get this topic too far off track, can we possibly agree that although there are examples of players coming back after a year or more of a concussion, there are not many examples.
Back to the topic, I still really don't have a guess here. I would say the chance for him to surprise everyone and show up at training camp is as likely as him being out until Christmas which is as likely as him missing the entire season.
For the sake of making a guess, I will go with the least likely and say he will be primed and ready to go at training camp.
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Posted - 08/20/2011 : 10:28:37
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I'm saying he will be ready by the start of the season. Trying to compare his situations to others doesn't have an impact on my decision to believe he will be back.
I've had concussions and know from my experience that each one was different. Crosby has been given the best care and I think he will be ready.
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Posted - 08/21/2011 : 04:40:00
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Guest 4312: finally, you found one shining example! Bergeron, for sure - and he fits the higher end level player as well. Yep, great recovery from him.
Definitely not too many more than that though, as Beans pointed out.
We'll see when training camp officially opens, and if Crosby is there taking contact drills right off the bat. If he is still at some kind of "non-contact" level . . . my guess is he comes back for Christmas, perhaps - best case scenario.
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Posted - 08/21/2011 : 14:09:56
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The thing with concussions (from what I have experienced) is everything is based on a rating system. Answers to questions have specific scores and once that score hits a certain level, you are back at it. And it's not normally a consistent or gradual improvement. Again, from my experience, it is literally one day that everything seems to be good again. That is why these are so hard to guess at. It could be tomorrow or it could be 3 months from now.
The bigger concern to me is repeat injuries. Even time he gets hit there is a bigger risk of re-injury and potentially ending his career. Part of what make Crosby amazing is that he does everything at top speed. Will he be able to do that when he returns??? Who knows. |
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Posted - 08/22/2011 : 20:53:58
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Looks like his return may take longer than anyone expected.
Apparently he's cancelled all his ice-time, personal and team time, for next little while.
His symptoms are coming back...
He may have taken a step or two backwards after taking several forward steps.
What a sad story..... |
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Posted - 08/23/2011 : 05:36:17
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As reported in this morning's Toronto Sun:
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Sidney Crosby's agent denies a report that the Pittsburgh Penguins star has been forced to stop working out after concussion symptoms returned.
CTV News in Halifax reported Monday that Crosby cancelled his on-ice workouts at a Halifax rink and stopped all other training activities when symptoms returned a week ago, citing unnamed sources. The report also says it's unlikely Crosby will be ready for training camp next month.
Not true, according to Pat Brisson of CAA Sports.
"Sidney hasn't been shut down by anyone," Brisson said in a statement. "He has simply adjusted his summer program." Crosby missed the second half of the 2010-11 season with a concussion, the result of two hits in early January. He was hit in the head by Washington Calitals forward David Steckel during the Winter Classic on Jan. 1 then took a second shot a few days later from Tampa Bay Lightning defenceman Victor Hedman.
Before getting hurt, Crosby was tearing up the league. In 41 games he had 32 goals and 34 assists and was on pace to put up career-best numbers.
I love the part where Crosby's agent says "Not true, not true!" then repeats and CONFIRMS that his summer program has been "adjusted", but without the reason why it was adjusted (duh!).
Why can't agents be truthful? Seriously, what is the harm in that? We all love hockey, of course we want to know how the MVP of the league is recovering, and we all know he had a concussion(s) and symptoms afterward . . . so why lie about it in such a childish way? I find it quite ridiculous, myself.
Anyways, looking more grim the closer the season gets. I'd have to think he is seriously contemplating retirement at this point, if he has indeed experienced a serious setback.
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Posted - 08/23/2011 : 07:54:48
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Slozo, how do you know the agent is so blatantly lying?? Is it possible that some dude at the rink that Crosby is training at called the press and made false statements?? Is it so hard to think that it might just be the agent telling the truth and the media report being incorrect?? I would agree with you if the agent was saying that Crosby was at 100% and will be ready to go for training camp, but he didn't say that. He said the training was adjusted because of the recovery. He said it is too early to say if Crosby will be ready to go or not. The agent is not denying anything other than Crosby's training was shut down. Until that is proven otherwise, how is the agent lying??
Frankly, I have far more faith in a guy who is that close to Crosby than some guy on a hockey website who is convinced that every hockey report is come kind of conspiracy.
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Posted - 08/23/2011 : 08:25:28
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Slozo, how do you know the agent is so blatantly lying?? Is it possible that some dude at the rink that Crosby is training at called the press and made false statements?? Is it so hard to think that it might just be the agent telling the truth and the media report being incorrect?? I would agree with you if the agent was saying that Crosby was at 100% and will be ready to go for training camp, but he didn't say that. He said the training was adjusted because of the recovery. He said it is too early to say if Crosby will be ready to go or not. The agent is not denying anything other than Crosby's training was shut down. Until that is proven otherwise, how is the agent lying??
Frankly, I have far more faith in a guy who is that close to Crosby than some guy on a hockey website who is convinced that every hockey report is come kind of conspiracy.
Wow.
So Beans, you say it's possible the agent is telling the truth . . . about his vague statement that didn't really contradict the "rumour", other than him denying that it was concussion related?
So what do you think the reason is for Crosby's "schedule change", as the agent put it?
Acting classes?
New girlfriend who works the night shift?
Wants to just take a break from workouts before the start of the regular season, coming back from a concussion, because he . . . feels like it?
Would love to hear your thoughts. 
Oh, and one more thing: an agent lying and/or twisting the truth for his client is not a conspiracy. Stop trying to discredit things with silly buzzwords . . . agents lie all the time, about all kinds of things - in fact, it's pretty normal.
In fact, if you go back and look at statements made after Crosby first missed time . . . I think you'll find it's not the first time.
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Posted - 08/23/2011 : 08:36:46
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Slozo, I've already explained my position. Just scroll up and you will see it. I don't have to explain it again. What I think you need to do Sir, it tell me what is the lie??
The original report stated Crosby's training was stopped completely. The agent stated this is not true and the training has been altered due his recovery. Perhaps you should read the entire quote rather than the small part the always reliable Sun Media posted. Here it is:
"Sidney hasn't been shut down by anyone," Brisson said. "He has simply adjusted his summer program accordingly to the different needs for the appropriate recovery. Training camp is in three weeks from now. It is too premature to speculate all kinds of deliberate information at his point.
"Sidney will address the media at the appropriate time in order to give everyone an update. As far as I know training camp hasn't started yet."
And the full TSN story if you wish to read it:
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=374303
Again. Where is the lie??
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Posted - 08/23/2011 : 09:03:42
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the guy probably just wants a break! (Crosby that is).
he's been trying to reach a certain point in his recovery since march or april and maybe he finally got to that point recently. he hasn't stopped his workouts all summer and maybe he just wants a little time off before an 82 game, 8 month season kicks in. |
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Originally posted by Beans15
Slozo, how do you know the agent is so blatantly lying?? Is it possible that some dude at the rink that Crosby is training at called the press and made false statements?? Is it so hard to think that it might just be the agent telling the truth and the media report being incorrect?? I would agree with you if the agent was saying that Crosby was at 100% and will be ready to go for training camp, but he didn't say that. He said the training was adjusted because of the recovery. He said it is too early to say if Crosby will be ready to go or not. The agent is not denying anything other than Crosby's training was shut down. Until that is proven otherwise, how is the agent lying??
Frankly, I have far more faith in a guy who is that close to Crosby than some guy on a hockey website who is convinced that every hockey report is come kind of conspiracy.
Wow.
So Beans, you say it's possible the agent is telling the truth . . . about his vague statement that didn't really contradict the "rumour", other than him denying that it was concussion related?
So what do you think the reason is for Crosby's "schedule change", as the agent put it?
Acting classes?
New girlfriend who works the night shift?
Wants to just take a break from workouts before the start of the regular season, coming back from a concussion, because he . . . feels like it?
Would love to hear your thoughts.
Oh, and one more thing: an agent lying and/or twisting the truth for his client is not a conspiracy. Stop trying to discredit things with silly buzzwords . . . agents lie all the time, about all kinds of things - in fact, it's pretty normal.
In fact, if you go back and look at statements made after Crosby first missed time . . . I think you'll find it's not the first time.
"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug
Wow…
The Sun only says that Sidney cancelled on-ice workouts and other training activities due to the concussion symptoms returning – and it is unlikely he will be ready for training camp in September.
… all this from “un-named” sources…
Then his Agent clarifies things by saying no one has “shut-down” Sidney. His summer program has been adjusted.
From this:
Slozo questions why his agent has to lie around the truth in such a childish manner.
Does Slozo know the truth?
Then Slozo even says Sidney must be contemplating retirement??
Does Slozo know the truth about Sidney’s retirement plans too???
Finally, Slozo then responds to Beans by saying agents lie all the time, and it's pretty normal.
Well – Slozo knows everything about Sidney’s agent too?
Look how quick you jumped to your conclusion that Sidney is contemplating retirement from a story originated by “un-named” source and written in the SUN!!! AND – you call his agent a liar when he clarifies things!!!!
Wow – you do know it all, don’t you?
It’s no wonder you demand clarification, proof, etc… from posters who have different opinions than you do….. your opinions are based on facts, right?
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it makes me marvel at guys like Gretzky who could play at the level he did for over 20 years. Part of being a great player is to not get hurt - and a hell of a lot of luck.
wayne only got hit a handful of time's in 20 yrs
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Posted - 08/23/2011 : 13:59:57
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the guy probably just wants a break! (Crosby that is).
he's been trying to reach a certain point in his recovery since march or april and maybe he finally got to that point recently. he hasn't stopped his workouts all summer and maybe he just wants a little time off before an 82 game, 8 month season kicks in.
http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=587303&navid=DL|NHL|home
"Sidney's progressed nicely this summer, he's had a long summer, he's worked out in June and July," Bylsma said. "We're hoping for Sidney to come back in and be ready to go for training camp. I know he's worked out more now than he has probably the last three summers."
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There has been considerable speculation about Crosby's status, much of it inaccurate, Bylsma said.
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Beans15
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Posted - 08/23/2011 : 15:13:11
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What on earth are you all talking about!! The reports came out that Crosby is retiring as he has serious brain damage. Someone told someone who told the paper. That can not be refuted!!! All this stuff from people that are actual close to Crosby like his agent and his coach is all blasphemy, rhetoric, and lies!!!
All you sheep can believe what you are told to believe and I will sit back and know the truth.
You guys are dumb.
Hopefully everyone can see the jest in this post. Very few people have the foggiest idea of what is going on and those who do know have zero vested interest in saying things like Crosby is missing the season or retiring or whatever. |
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Alex116
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Posted - 08/23/2011 : 16:08:32
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So the article in the Weekly World News about Crosby being abducted by aliens is inaccurate?
Jeez, how's a guy supposed to follow hockey if even the Weekly World News is lying??? |
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Posted - 08/24/2011 : 10:59:52
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Go ahead then, guys. Make fun of me if it makes you feel better.
Listen to Bylsma and Brisson, his agent.
You can always trust them to tell the truth, un hunh. I mean, they are the ones closest to Sidney Crosby, so they must know the truth, right?
That much is probably true.
But what motivation do they have to tell the truth PLAINLY to the public?
None.
They have proven this before, well before even the playoffs were in sight.
Jan 6, 2011
Bylsma: We are sending Crosby home because of an upper body injury.
Feb 8, 2011
Veteran hockey columnist Mike Brophy of Sportsnet in Canada had tongues a-wagging with this tweet Tuesday afternoon:
"Told Crosby tried light workout and immediately saw black dots and stars. Not even close to starting light workouts again."
Crosby's agent, Pat Brisson, told ESPN.com that people were overanalyzing the situation.
"He is resting right now until he is symptom-free to resume light exercise," Brisson told ESPN.com via e-mail.
And,
Just this summer, Bylsma himself has said he hasn't even asked Crosby about his conussion - seriously! So how the hell would he know anything - IF you were to believe that?
But go ahead, if you like.
Call it a "one man conspiracy" (hint: takes more than one person to make it a conspiracy, dude) that Brisson might not tell the whole truth with his vague and useless statements about a schedule change.
Go ahead and trust everything Bylsma says . . . which isn't much.
But to imagine that there isn't an elevated cause for concern with these reports that he has stopped training, alongside the statement that he has indeed "changed his training scheduled" (changed how? Stopped?) . . . is rather silly, I think.
During the regular season, all those "rumours" and "unfounded and unconfirmed reports" that predicted doom and gloom were mostly true - the ones that can now be confirmed, that is.
I am just going by past history.
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Beans15
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Posted - 08/24/2011 : 15:04:04
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But you are not going by past history. You are reading into stories to make them more than what they are.
And I quote, "Why can't agents be truthful? Seriously, what is the harm in that? We all love hockey, of course we want to know how the MVP of the league is recovering, and we all know he had a concussion(s) and symptoms afterward . . . so why lie about it in such a childish way? I find it quite ridiculous, myself."
The simple truth is that the agent didn't lie. Did he fully disclose the details of Sidney Crosby's status?? Nope, nor does he have to. As you stated, there is no benefit to the agent or coach telling the story plainly. At the same time, there is no benefit to lie either, which is why they haven't lied. They have answered the point blank questions as well as they can or should.
Did Crosby shut down his workouts?? Nope
Will Crosby be ready to play at training camp?? Don't know yet
Again, where are the lies?? No one is questioning your desire to know more details, but making simple yet honest statements is a far cry from lying. That is what I was making fun of, not you specifically. It was intended in jest and I hope I did not offend you. |
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Posted - 08/26/2011 : 04:49:40
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COPIED AND PASTED FROM "THE SPORTING NEWS":
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Sidney Crosby is still struggling with concussion aftermath
Sporting News
Penguins captain Sidney Crosby has visited concussion specialists in Michigan and Georgia and, according to the Pittsburgh Penguins, all agreed that he is on the path to a full recovery from the concussions that have kept him out of action since January.
With camp closing in, there is still no timetable for Crosby's return to action.
Sidney Crosby's concussions are still causing problems, and he might not be ready to play when the 2011-12 NHL season opens. (AP Photo)"I appreciate all the support I've received from my family, friends, teammates and fans and from the entire Penguins organization," Crosby said in a statement to the Penguins. "I know they only want the best for my health and for me to be ready when I return to game action."
According to the story on the Penguins team website, Crosby started having headaches when his workouts reached 90 percent exertion. When that happened, doctors and trainers changed his workouts.
Pittsburgh starts camp on Sept. 16 and GM Ray Shero said Crosby is expected to return to Pittsburgh a week or so ahead of camp. The Penguins open their regular season on Oct. 6 in Vancouver. While he hasn't been ruled out for the season opener, the longer his symptoms linger the less likely it is he'll be ready to open the year.
His agent, Pat Brisson, told the team website that predicting a precise return date for Crosby is virtually impossible.
"We would appreciate patience and understanding at this time," Brisson said. "There has been a lot of speculation swirling over the past several weeks. We wish we could provide more specific details about Sidney's recovery but a concussion is a different kind of injury."
So even the Pens' own website now states that Crosby's symptoms - whether it's headaches or dizziness or whatever - returned at 90% exertion during workouts.
During workouts - not even skating on the ice, and nevermind full contact yet obviously.
Now, supposedly Crosby's workout regimen is legendary for being crazy and over the top in terms of fitness level required . . . but he is certainly not there yet.
Just reporting the facts as we know them, folks.
"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug |
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