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| Axey |
Posted - 12/16/2007 : 09:47:25
Everyone must have seen his heard his comments about Kostitsyn's hit(rub, some might say) on McCabe. I think that is ridiculous of him to act how he did about such a weak hit, that only injured McCabe because of his akward position on the boards. Whats your opinion? |
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| Guest4724 |
Posted - 12/18/2007 : 15:57:15
ive watched the play probably 15 time and i know what maurice is talking about ive had it done to me only i was spun aound and drove headfirst in to boards the guy reaches in grabs your hand pulls you off balance and then drives you into boards when you are off balance.It is a bush league play but having said that what i seen and i could be wrong but basing it on mcabes skating ability was mcabe trying to lean into kosityn so he couldnt go inside of mcabe and kosi went inside outside and mccabe who tried to push backwards into him missed as has in the past and dove his own hand ino boards I know your a leaf fan i am too but unless you can produce the Zapruder film i think maurice is trying to disguise the fact his team turned in a turkey and hopes the leafs that won 4 in row show up. Ps watch mcabe skate he cant skate backwards i think that would be useful for a defenceman he falls if he has to turn to his left |
| PuckNuts |
Posted - 12/18/2007 : 13:28:17
Every penalty is considerd "not a clean play"...
How many dirty plays have you seen, and no one got hurt.
This play was a hold, big deal, how many happen every game, and don't get called, and no one gets hurt...
McCabe was hurt, and thats the end...
I don't necessarily agree with everything I say.
- - Marshall McLuhan
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| Antroman |
Posted - 12/18/2007 : 12:32:58
I digress, Maurice was asked yesterday if he still thought the hit was dirty. His reply and I quote " Yes (head nod) It wasn't dirty in the sense like someone poked another guy in the neck or two handed a guy over the head but it was not a clean play". He has not backed off and I totally agree with him. You can insult me all you want but that is my peace and it is closed for me personally. I listen to every comment I can concerning the Leafs. I wonder what the opinions will be after they see all the angles. I seen Bryan on Leafs TV and he was asked if the hit was dirty and he said he hadn't seen the video yet, so his opinion when he does will in all probability change. This topic is closed for me as I'm tired of the retoric from these nameless guests. |
| kingwoody2 |
Posted - 12/18/2007 : 12:22:14
I am a die hard leaf fan and I don't think the hit was dirty. Just an unlucky play and he just happened to hit his hand the right way. 9 out of 10 times he wouldn't break any bones. And McCabe stinks anyways. That just goes to show you that if he stinks the Leafs defence sucks balls. I have been yelling at the TV for years now saying "TRADE MCs*** NOW". He is all right offensively and one of the worst defensive players out there. Good riddance
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| Guest9252 |
Posted - 12/18/2007 : 10:04:28
I am not pleased to be following up those comments...
I do however want to point out that after Maurice said the hit was dirty members of the Toronto Maple Leafs including Blake, White, and (apparently) McCabe himself were quick to say that the hit was not dirty.
Antroman, I know if you saw the Maurice comments you saw the other comments too...don't ignore them... |
| Guest0321 |
Posted - 12/18/2007 : 09:50:13
Antroman isn't a typical Leaf fan or anything. Whine, bitch and cry about everything that goes the other teams way. Wipe the Crisco off your Rose Coloured Leaf Glasses. The Leafs are a joke and Maurice let his emotions get the best of him because he knows he made the biggest mistake of his life by agreeing to coach his childhood fave team. Hell, you should be thanking Kostistyn for taking your "30 minute star defenseman" out of the lineup. The Leafs will cut down on their giveaways by about 40% now. Leave it to McBlunder to get hurt on such a harmless play. What a p****. |
| Guest4912 |
Posted - 12/18/2007 : 09:08:33
listen antroman, i know you are angry. you have lost an allstar defenseman who averages twenty goals a year and is your powerplay. but your comments were preposterous. that play was not dirty in any sense of the word. kostitsyn rubbed him out, he went in weird, and he hurt his hand. that is the truth, not any anti-leaf sentiments or any of the bulls*** you are accusing people of. sorry man, but that is the unfortunate truth. mcabe is a great player but accidents can happy to anyone.
as for you calling him a sly dirty little euro, you have guys like that on your team too.
just accept the truth bud. |
| Guest9177 |
Posted - 12/18/2007 : 08:06:47
quote:
Originally posted by Antroman
Dammit Anyway, That was a dirty play if there every was one. This Kostitsyn guy grabbed him on the arm with his inside arm up near the shoulder and turned him into the boards where he put his weight into the hit driving McCabe's held arm awkwardly into the boards. It was a bush league play for sure. That stupid piece of work even looked over to see if the ref caught the hold as he skated up ice. What the hell were you people looking at? Oh, I get it, it was just a Leaf so it was a clean hit. You Leaf bashers only see what you want to see. I suppose Maurice who was standing there a few feet from the play doesn't know anything about hockey? He was just upset about losing the game? If that was the case he would have hung himself long ago with the crappy start the team had. That is the first time I have seen him use profane language on the air since he has been with Toronto. That Kostitsyn piece of crap is going to pay large for that little piece of indescretion. I'm not sure but presume this guy is a Euro player and it looked like one of those little smart ass cowardly plays from over there.
WA WA WA! typical leaf fan, bitch and whine |
| Guest9177 |
Posted - 12/18/2007 : 08:05:06
quote:
Originally posted by Antroman
Hey Axey, he was in that awkward position because the toilet seat goof grabbed him and turned him before he made the rub. Maybe you should open your prejudiced eyes instead of trying to protect the little puke.
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| Antroman |
Posted - 12/18/2007 : 07:59:06
Unfortunately, You need some speed to play the PP in order to play against the other teams quick penalty killers and even though you are on the PP Gill's serious lack of foot speed would be more of a detriment than an asset. I know he has been getting quite few points lately but most come from head manning the puck from his own end. |
| PuckNuts |
Posted - 12/18/2007 : 07:12:06
Maybe Raycroft will get a start now that McCabe is out...
McCabe has improved his play lately, but that is not the reason the Leafs have turned their season around. It has been a team effort, and if they continue to play as a team they will win, with or without McCabe...
I don't necessarily agree with everything I say.
- - Marshall McLuhan
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| Alex |
Posted - 12/18/2007 : 06:16:24
No I am asking, why, in your opinion, is Gill not on the powerplay? It puzzles me, personally, since he is a good player with a big presence and I think he can do a lot on the PP, including keeping the puck in well. That does a lot, to save 10 seconds here and there retrieving iced pucks
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| Antroman |
Posted - 12/17/2007 : 21:56:07
White and Gill are the number two pairing and Woznewsky and Stralman are the number three pairing. On the second powerplay unit you will see White and Stralman paired together. I do not know how else to put it. Kubina and Kaberle are the first pairing and are also the first powerplay unit. |
| Antroman |
Posted - 12/17/2007 : 20:51:11
Hey Alex, I just watched Leaf's Today on the Leaf Network and found out Kronwall is injured. They also had Maurice being interviewed after practice today and he was asked by a reporter if he still thought the hit was dirty? He shook his head yes and stated that "it wasn't dirty like someone getting deliberatly speared in the neck or two handed in the head but it definitely wasn't clean". He also said that Kubina and Kaberle were playing together as the first pp unit and White and Stralman would also see time on the pp. Woznewsky and Stralman are the last pairing with White and Gill as the second unit. |
| Alex |
Posted - 12/17/2007 : 18:23:08
quote:
Originally posted by Axey
Also if McCabe is placed on long term injury reserve this will save the Leafs money for maybe a trade deadline move to spark things before the playoffs!
I hate to say it, they need veteran goaltending. Every guy who comes in there is young and has nerves of glass. Imagine had poor Emery or Fleury been brought in before developing? In contrast, look how good the Eagle did before he got too old...
The team should be young, but it isn't. The place to rebuild is not in net. You just make things worse, in my mind. They need a goalie that can carry them, give them some momentum and take them places. Obviously it won't be a cup, but a rental player can get their morale soarin' as high as an eagle. Or rather, THE eagle
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| Antroman |
Posted - 12/17/2007 : 18:09:17
They could have brought Kronwall back up but I think they were looking for a little more speed and I am not sure about this but he might have wanted a right sider and know Kronwall is a left sider. I thought they might have give the veteran Walser a shot because he has been playing well down there but I guess they want to see what the kid can do this time up. Strallman has the skill but not the experience or the strength as of yet. I like Kronwall personally but unfortunately I do not count in this. One of the problems with the cap, waivers and calling guys up is there are certain restictions which I do not totally understand exactly. I know Strallman is an injury call up but you just can't call up and send guys down as freely as you once could. I am not sure how this would affect a Kronwall for instance? |
| Axey |
Posted - 12/17/2007 : 18:08:56
Also if McCabe is placed on long term injury reserve this will save the Leafs money for maybe a trade deadline move to spark things before the playoffs! |
| Antroman |
Posted - 12/17/2007 : 17:26:57
Yes, he played with Kubina for a few games earlier in the season and played really well at the out set. When McCabe was put back with him they clicked right away and have been together ever since. Kaberle overall has not played as well this season but because of his offensive ability people like him the best but in his own end has not been as effective as he was in the past. His point totals are down as well but this coinsided with Maurice abandoning the offensive game to concentrate on a more defensive system. Kaberle is most definitely at his entertaining best when they just "cut him loose". If you look past those three guys the Leaf defense doesn't exactly scare the crap out of anybody. Coliacovo is travelling with the team and is almost ready to come back but he is not much better than a rookie when you consider all the injuries he has had. He hasen't played a game in almost a year? |
| Antroman |
Posted - 12/17/2007 : 16:55:45
Hey Alex, The problem with McCabe being out is that he is the veteran presence on the team besides Sundin. The other players gravitate around him and he is the go to guy on the defence corps. Kaberle will most likely be affected the most as they have played so much together and Kabbie seems for the most part lost without him. I think you will see Kubina used in all the same areas that McCabe was used in and his ice time will be increased dramatically. Young Strallman has been called up from the Marlies as the replacement but I don't think he is really ready for the NHL just yet. Contrary to popular belief McCabe has been playing the best defense of his career in the last 15 games and I really do not think he is replaceble within the Leaf system. I think Kubina can replace him adequately on the offensive side and replace his minutes because he played tons when he was in Tampa and flourished. The problem with that is I thought he was a better player in the old NHL because he was a bit of a mauler back then. |
| Alex |
Posted - 12/17/2007 : 16:39:08
Secondly, I think that 30 minutes is a lot to be replaced by an out of shape team. I hate to say it, but they might need to pace themselves. No one that is called up will be much help filling in this guy's shoes. The third period meltdowns might just be there, especially considering they constantly play speedy Montreal, Ottawa and Buffalo teams.
This means a lot for the standings, and for the city of Toronto. Just when things were going right...
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| Antroman |
Posted - 12/17/2007 : 16:38:19
Hey Pasty, You had to get in one more personal shot didn't you? Oh, I'm sorry for not agreeing to everything you said. Please forgive me! |
| Alex |
Posted - 12/17/2007 : 16:38:06
Uch, you guys give me ALL the work!  Fine, I will be the first to answer my question.
POWERPLAY (this is most imporant fantasy wise)
Personally, I think the PP will suffer a bit, but recently McCabe has not shot as much as Sundin and even Blake. Blake, as a side note, takes the most shots on the team. The thing is, the PKers are scared of his history on the Toronto point for the powerplay, and tend to cheat a considerable amount towards him. With him out, they might be slightly more predictable.
Habs get number 25 this year |
| Antroman |
Posted - 12/17/2007 : 16:27:10
Thanks Alex. |
| Pasty7 |
Posted - 12/17/2007 : 16:25:58
quote:
Originally posted by Antroman
Hey Pasty, People have called McCabe much worse than that on this site. At least I wasn't profane which was how I felt. I will probably hate the little weasel for life now and that is just passion. I think it was a cheap play that resulted in my team losing one of our best players. I am sorry if I offended you personally about this. I hope Belak tunes him up the next time we play them and that is the way I feel about it. I would suggest that rather than trying to make me feel bad for calling Kostitsyn names you concentrate on offering a constructive response to the topic. You are wasting your time trying to show me up personally.
you took care of that on your own my firend like i said keep it up,,
Pasty |
| Antroman |
Posted - 12/17/2007 : 16:22:35
Hey Pasty, People have called McCabe much worse than that on this site. At least I wasn't profane which was how I felt. I will probably hate the little weasel for life now and that is just passion. I think it was a cheap play that resulted in my team losing one of our best players. I am sorry if I offended you personally about this. I hope Belak tunes him up the next time we play them and that is the way I feel about it. I would suggest that rather than trying to make me feel bad for calling Kostitsyn names you concentrate on offering a constructive response to the topic. You are wasting your time trying to show me up personally. |
| Pasty7 |
Posted - 12/17/2007 : 16:17:35
i'm tired or argueing this with you feel however you want to feel, i tried agreeing with you and you still argue with me so keep up the good wrk kid,, and go leafs go!
Pasty |
| Pasty7 |
Posted - 12/17/2007 : 16:11:52
quote:
Originally posted by Antroman
I have been listening to The Bill Waters Show just now while all this stuff has been going on in this topic. Paul Maurice was just on and he was asked by Watters if he has any qualms about his reaction to the play Saturday night. His reply, "I absolutely do not retract what I said". "This grabbing and torquing a guy before hitting into the boards has no place in our game". There you have it boys!!! I need not say more.
wtv paul maurice can say whatever he wants he is still gonna be jobless at the end of this year none the less
Pasty |
| Antroman |
Posted - 12/17/2007 : 16:07:08
I have been listening to The Bill Waters Show just now while all this stuff has been going on in this topic. Paul Maurice was just on and he was asked by Watters if he has any qualms about his reaction to the play Saturday night. His reply, "I absolutely do not retract what I said". "This grabbing and torquing a guy before hitting into the boards has no place in our game". There you have it boys!!! I need not say more. |
| Pasty7 |
Posted - 12/17/2007 : 16:01:32
quote:
Originally posted by Antroman
Patsy 7 - This sort of play happens many times in a game but it was an illegal play that wasn't called. A guy doesn't break three bones in his hand every game. A guy usually brushes the other guy into the boards and the play is a common play for sure. The difference with this play is the grabbing and turning him into the boards before the brush. I do not know what is so damn hard to understand here? We have lost our best defenceman to a bush league play. You can downplay it all you want but the result speaks for itself.
look personally i don't see the grabb (they tangled going hard for the puck in my eyes) i can see how it could look like a hold but i wouldn;t have called it,, so lets just say even if it was a penalty no more then 2 min we agree on that right?? if the play had resulted in a penalty but no injury had occured would you be able to remember the play? it would just be another 2 min penalty ,, i mean you went on a pretty good rant insulting kostitsyn personally for something any player could have done,,, and i think we can agree kostitsyn is not a dirty player and again for arguments sake i'll agree there was a hold it is an unfortunate turn of events i never like to see someone miss any playing time but it was a intense play that turned out poorly,, by no means do i think kostitsyn deserves to be called anything you referd to him as,,,
Pasty |
| Antroman |
Posted - 12/17/2007 : 15:52:29
Patsy 7 - This sort of play happens many times in a game but it was an illegal play that wasn't called. A guy doesn't break three bones in his hand every game. A guy usually brushes the other guy into the boards and the play is a common play for sure. The difference with this play is the grabbing and turning him into the boards before the brush. I do not know what is so damn hard to understand here? We have lost our best defenceman to a bush league play. You can downplay it all you want but the result speaks for itself. |
| Alex |
Posted - 12/17/2007 : 15:48:13
He does not think before he acts I find. He just goes in to situations not fully aware of what he is meant to do, what is going to really help... He would be the type of player to make a bone crunching hit on the puck carrier in a two on 1, and let the other guy walk in alone.
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| Antroman |
Posted - 12/17/2007 : 15:38:29
Hey Alex, What is your definition of a smart hockey player? This is getting more puzzeling by the minute? |
| Alex |
Posted - 12/17/2007 : 15:29:45
That is a good point about the McCabe on Koivu, but I have more of a tendency to believe that that play would cause speculation, seeing as McCabe is sort of a careless, or in this hypothetical case, reckless player. He is not a very smart hockey player for sure.
Habs get number 25 this year |
| Pasty7 |
Posted - 12/17/2007 : 15:28:37
quote:
Originally posted by Antroman
I said I was finished with this but I think some of these posts are missing what I am trying to say. Please picture this explaination. THE PLAYERS ARE MOVING FROM YOUR LEFT TO THE RIGHT. KOSTITSYN ILLEGALLY AND OUT OF SIGHT OF THE REF, GRABS McCABE BY THE LEFT SHOULDER AND TURNS HIM TO THE LEFT CAUSING McCABE TO BE OFF BALANCE AND FACING THE GLASS. SIMULTANEOUSLY, KOSTITSYN BRUSHES McCABE INTO THE GLASS WHICH RESULTS IN McCABE BREAKING HIS HAND IN THREE PLACES. Now, that is exactly what happened. You may not like the term DIRTY but I am not sure of exactly how else to put it. It was illegal to put it mildly. Maurice who was standing behind the play and in clear view of the play called it dirty. I know Maurice is a very intelligent person and has never before in his two years in Toronto used profane language on the airwaves. The worst thing he has ever said was we stunk the joint out and that was the night we lost to Washington 8-1. I am sure he wasn't just upset about losing to the Habs 4-1. Toronto badly outshot the Habs in the first two periods and got behind in the game on a couple of fluke goals. Considering the team didn't get to their hotel rooms until three o'clock in the morning after playing in Atlanta the night before I think they played a decent game. As the outcome of the game became more predictable the Habs gained the upper hand in the third against a pretty tired bunch. I wouldn't pat yourselves on the back too much Hab fans as your team wasn't all that good. Price was your best player but I was glad to see the shutout broken even though I owe him a dealt of gratitude for bringing my city the AHL championship last year. I enjoyed the Leaf goal just because I knew you Habbers wanted the shutout in the worst way, after all, your team hadn't won a home game in six starts. One of the posts called me biased and yes I am biased toward my team. I quite frankly do not like the other twenty-nine teams to varying degrees but I do call things as I see them. If the Leafs stink I will say so and if they are winning I can get over the top about them but win or lose I am going to defend them to the end. If that is the "pot calling the cauldron black", then so be it!!!!!!
wow you'd think he swung his stick like a golf club at maccabes head the way you're going on,,, re read what you wrote in bold letters and tell me things like this dont happen 100 times a game?? if you tell me they dont then hockey is not the game for you my friend~
Pasty |
| Antroman |
Posted - 12/17/2007 : 15:26:52
You call it emotional and I call it passion. This is a good thing. If McCabe had of done this the the little cutie boy Koviu then you guys would be tying the lynch knot for sure. |
| Guest4107 |
Posted - 12/17/2007 : 15:15:20
Sorry guys I know im a habs fan but I can honestly say that if the situation was reversed and macabe had thrown the puck I still would not have called it "DIRTY" yes there was a loose hand on mcabes arm and yes it does apear that maby mcabe was turned but it was not a malicious hit or a dirty play as much as the nhl would have us beleive there is no clutching and grabing it does still exist in the game but it doesnt make the play dirty |
| Antroman |
Posted - 12/17/2007 : 14:47:26
I said I was finished with this but I think some of these posts are missing what I am trying to say. Please picture this explaination. THE PLAYERS ARE MOVING FROM YOUR LEFT TO THE RIGHT. KOSTITSYN ILLEGALLY AND OUT OF SIGHT OF THE REF, GRABS McCABE BY THE LEFT SHOULDER AND TURNS HIM TO THE LEFT CAUSING McCABE TO BE OFF BALANCE AND FACING THE GLASS. SIMULTANEOUSLY, KOSTITSYN BRUSHES McCABE INTO THE GLASS WHICH RESULTS IN McCABE BREAKING HIS HAND IN THREE PLACES. Now, that is exactly what happened. You may not like the term DIRTY but I am not sure of exactly how else to put it. It was illegal to put it mildly. Maurice who was standing behind the play and in clear view of the play called it dirty. I know Maurice is a very intelligent person and has never before in his two years in Toronto used profane language on the airwaves. The worst thing he has ever said was we stunk the joint out and that was the night we lost to Washington 8-1. I am sure he wasn't just upset about losing to the Habs 4-1. Toronto badly outshot the Habs in the first two periods and got behind in the game on a couple of fluke goals. Considering the team didn't get to their hotel rooms until three o'clock in the morning after playing in Atlanta the night before I think they played a decent game. As the outcome of the game became more predictable the Habs gained the upper hand in the third against a pretty tired bunch. I wouldn't pat yourselves on the back too much Hab fans as your team wasn't all that good. Price was your best player but I was glad to see the shutout broken even though I owe him a dealt of gratitude for bringing my city the AHL championship last year. I enjoyed the Leaf goal just because I knew you Habbers wanted the shutout in the worst way, after all, your team hadn't won a home game in six starts. One of the posts called me biased and yes I am biased toward my team. I quite frankly do not like the other twenty-nine teams to varying degrees but I do call things as I see them. If the Leafs stink I will say so and if they are winning I can get over the top about them but win or lose I am going to defend them to the end. If that is the "pot calling the cauldron black", then so be it!!!!!! |
| Pasty7 |
Posted - 12/17/2007 : 13:41:04
quote:
Originally posted by Antroman
It wasn't the hit for crying out load, it was spinning him with a cheap hold before the face plant into the boards. He pulled him illegally, left hand on McCabe's left shoulder/upper arm and spun him off balance before brushing him into the glass. The hit itself was a normal hockey play. It is too bad we can't all see the back side replay as without it you can't really see the cheesy part of the play. The normal camera shot that they are mostly showing on the big networks makes it look harmless. I agree with everyone's assessment on that one. I also agree Toronto's chances were slim and none to win the Cup this year anyway but what little glimmer of hope they did have has probably been dashed with this injury. McCabe is the guy that is most hated by the majority of Leaf bashers but he has been the go to guy on defense and will be missed big time. He logs thirty minutes of ice time almost every game especially when the game is close. If you know anything about hockey, and obviously Guest 2458 doesn't, then you would know without me spelling it out that this was a huge loss for the team. I am finished with this post as it seems to be drawing some goony anti Leaf theatrics and I have had enough of that crap. To you Axey, I am perfectly calm now and quite frankly very disappointed in the reaction to this post. I couldn't care less about not winning the Cup for 40 years because you have to get there first to win it. See, that is about as profound as that insipid statement of yours. The Leafs are my team weather they win, lose or draw and that is the bottom line!!!!!!
sorry antroman i cant even read all of your post anymore you have to be objective about this you are starting to sound like the french canadian announcers that cover the habs games completely one sided and before you start thinking that was a pot shot at french canadians it wasn't just at rds's announcers,,,, we understand mccabe is the biggest player the leafs could have lost short of sundin of course but lets face it maccabe himself doesn;t blame Andrei why should you take it so personnaly,,,,
Pasty |
| Komisaurus |
Posted - 12/17/2007 : 12:28:14
Antro, i dont see how you can call that a dirty play because that was far from it, scott hartnell on andrew alberts, dirty, steve downie on maccammond, dirty, kostitsyn on mccabe, not even close, the holding call was there but there was no intent to injure, just a fight for the puck and mccabe left himself a little too vulnerable, i mean even mccabe himself and JFJ has said it wasnt dirty and that there was no malicious intent and that it was just a freak accident, and it was, he got his hand caught in the boards...Maurice was just pissed off from his team playing horribly against the habs and was trying to justify the loss...i feel bad for mccabe because he was starting to regain some form, but life goes on...Go habs GO!! |
| Guest9252 |
Posted - 12/17/2007 : 11:33:34
First, almost everyone here would be screaming that it was a dirty hit if it happened to a player on 'their team'. Give Antroman a break, he lost his 30min per game defensemen -of course he is going to vent.
Now to the hit itself. The grab and hold while going into the boards actually happens more often than is noticed -probably because usually nobody gets hurt. When the puck stays with the two players as they go into the boards they both want to tie up the opposing player to not let them easily move the puck out after the hit or nudge.
The problem in this situation, in my opinion, is that McCabe was the defensemen at the point holding the puck in the zone and he must have known that if the puck got by him there would be an odd-manned rush the other way -which indeed happened and led to a goal. McCabe was focussed on the puck at the time and not his hand. I am a hockey player myself and in similar situations I worry about the immediate threat and not injury -I assume (unjustly) that I will be fine. I do not think anyone is at fault for the injury (definately not the Montreal player) and McCabe and leafs fans are simply really unlucky with the injury. |
