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| hockster |
Posted - 01/08/2008 : 17:09:27
I would say the elite players that may be moved on the deadline are:
Blake - LA sellers?
There may be a deal for either St. Louis, Richards, or Lecavalier for Turco
Stoll - Detroit Columbus, could play better hockey
Raycroft - Pittsburgh LA Tampa Bay, Backup
Sundin - Toronto Rebuilds?
Ryder - Not producing
Huet - Bacup Goaltender now
Murray - Slow Start
Sydor - replaced by younger guys
Marleau - Reports on calgary but dont see how they could take him the cap, bad season
Liles - Toronto Pittsburgh, Needs move
O. Jokinen - anywhere, Always about to get traded
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| hockster |
Posted - 01/09/2008 : 17:03:53
no i am just trying to stop the guest
cant find any more words |
| PuckNuts |
Posted - 01/09/2008 : 17:00:00
Spam...
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| hockster |
Posted - 01/09/2008 : 16:56:54
This is different.
No need for you to put anyone down guest.
Everyones opinions should be viewed as equals on this site.
Nobody comes on to be harrassed. |
| Guest4188 |
Posted - 01/09/2008 : 16:15:16
f*** You GUYS
GAY f**GIES |
| hockster |
Posted - 01/09/2008 : 16:08:03
No need for you to put anyone down guest.
Everyones opinions should be viewed as equals on this site.
Nobody comes on to be harrassed. |
| Alex |
Posted - 01/09/2008 : 16:04:30
quote:
Originally posted by Guest4188
No Need To Suck Up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
To who? Sam Pollock? I never knew him! John Ferguson? No one likes him very much, me included. Mats Sundin? The guy is a good hockey player, I am entitled to say that. Bob McKenzie? I just quoted what he said, that does not qualify as sucking up.
Anything else, 'guest'? I hope that will be it for these sort of posts. I don't need to fight with people on the internet, that is not why I join a hockey forum I have come to enjoy.
Habs get number 25 this year |
| Guest4188 |
Posted - 01/09/2008 : 15:57:54
No Need To Suck Up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| Alex |
Posted - 01/09/2008 : 15:55:18
First of all, if the rest fell in place, he would do it, for the team, knowing he would be back.
And also, someone might want to get the details for me, but as Bob said, look at what ast year's rental players got for their former teams, and its day to night by how Sundin is playing and how an injury prone Forsberg, a Keith Tkachuk who is getting old and can't puckhandle, and a Ryan Smyth who in all honesty is not worth THAT much.
I realize Pollock was thinking out of the box. And Guy did mroe for his team. But literally 'renting' your team captain. This is exciting to me, particularily because I live in T.O.
Habs get number 25 this year |
| PuckNuts |
Posted - 01/09/2008 : 14:37:38
Well if, and only if Sundin waves his NTC can he be traded.
The team that picks him up is only going to offer drafts picks, or players that are in the minors. When you are in a playoff run, and you want to bolster your team this is what you do...
Sundin would get you some draft choices, but do not forget some of them will be "conditional" on whether the new team can sign him, if they can't you will lose the conditional picks...
Of coarse you know that this means war!
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| andyhack |
Posted - 01/09/2008 : 14:37:10
I don't know Alex, Sammy Pollock's move is pretty hard to top in my books. What you're thinking of is sort of obvious. What Pollack did, trading players to a team (the Kings) to improve their chances of finishing out of last so that his team could get the first pick overall (they held the Seals pick that year), now that was very, very, very clever, if not pure "genius". And the result, lots and lots of Cups. That was a great team anyway no doubt, but what Pollack did by ensuring his Habs got Guy, one of the best right wingers in the history of the game, surpasses the type of move you're talking about (which, even if they were to get some great young guys for Mats, more than likely is not going to produce 5 cups in a decade, or whatever obscene number it was for those frigg'n Habs).
Edit - for those of you interested in the Pollock-Lafleur details, see below (copied from an article):
In May 1970, he sent Ernie Hicke and a first-round choice to Oakland for the obscure François Lacombe and the now defunct Seals' first-round pick. All the while, he kept his eye on the gifted Lafleur, who was tearing up junior hockey with the Quebec Remparts.
The following season, when it appeared that Los Angeles might finish last and claim the top pick, Mr. Pollock sent veteran Ralph Backstrom to the Kings to boost them ahead of Oakland.
That allowed Montreal to choose Lafleur first overall in the 1971 draft.
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| Alex |
Posted - 01/09/2008 : 13:51:50
Enhance what, his chances at retiring to find himself without a cup? I do not think that if he stays on Toronto, he will win a cup.
In fact, I know it. No way no how. However, the trade might just be the thing Ferguson needs to keep his job. Imagine trading your captain for great players, only to pick him up again. I think that trade would be more impressive than the Sam Pollock / Guy Lafleur one. Ingenious is what it is.
Of course, to date it is all up in the air... and so are the chances of another cup in Hogtown 
Habs get number 25 this year |
| Guest9718 |
Posted - 01/09/2008 : 13:43:26
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year. A move would only enhance that!
Habs get number 25 this year
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| Alex |
Posted - 01/09/2008 : 12:43:25
The Sundin issue was featured by Bob McKenzie this morning. I think Sundin does want to get traded on to a cup team more than he lets on. The issue becomes, what if his new team does not win the cup? Toronto is trying to pull a 'bait and switch' and Sundin is fully aware. Trade Sundin for 3 good players/prospects and draft picks as a rental to a contending team (think about how much Tkachuk, Smyth and Forsberg got, Bob points out) and then pick him up next year as a FA, at a salary loss to himself. At this point in his career, I think it is win-win. He moves THIS year on to a playoff team, comes back NEXT year onto a clearly better team, and has a chance to do what he always wanted which is win in T.O. Time is running out, but the fountain of youth will last longer than we think
Habs get number 25 this year |
| hockster |
Posted - 01/08/2008 : 19:58:40
lol
ya it was mostly two people in this Topic talking. |
| Guest8815 |
Posted - 01/08/2008 : 19:58:09
quote:
Originally posted by MSC
maybe you two should exchange emails or phone numbers and talk this over.
First of all I found this hilarious and actually laughed when I read it but anyways....
Turco may have playoff experience but that doesn't make a playoff performer other than last year Turco has been a dud in the palyoffs and who knows that could have been a fluke year or he could have finally broken the curse and will have another amazing performance. |
| MSC |
Posted - 01/08/2008 : 19:54:17
maybe you two should exchange emails or phone numbers and talk this over. |
| hockster |
Posted - 01/08/2008 : 19:50:36
At most Smith will be a backup |
| Alex |
Posted - 01/08/2008 : 19:34:41
Smith has not even clsoe to as much playoff experience. If it ain't broke, ya don't fix it. Why would they do that? You know what that does for the morale in the locker room? And who says Turco wants out?
Habs get number 25 this year |
| hockster |
Posted - 01/08/2008 : 19:19:59
I highly doubt that but it may just happen. |
| Gostarsgo12 |
Posted - 01/08/2008 : 19:19:47
quote:
Originally posted by Alex
If Dallas dishes out Turco they blow their chances. Who can they possibly get in return?
And where did you hear this?
Habs get number 25 this year
They don't blow there chances. Have you heard of Smith?
The dallas stars could get St. Louis back too.
Go Stars |
| Gostarsgo12 |
Posted - 01/08/2008 : 19:18:04
I'm surprised you left hossa left too. If you were listening you might of heard that he's one the most likely to be dealt.
Go Stars |
| Gostarsgo12 |
Posted - 01/08/2008 : 19:16:35
Wow you know nothing you got those players from Tsn on there rumored name list sheet here check it out. http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/trade_deadline/feature/?fid=10439&hubname=
in other words Scott Cullen a tsn fantasy anylst knows who the players that will be moved on deadline are. not you
Go Stars |
| hockster |
Posted - 01/08/2008 : 19:13:44
Yes but i highly doubt him bouncing back this season.
I am almost guaranteeing next season but not this one. |
| Alex |
Posted - 01/08/2008 : 19:09:02
No way, no how. You don't trade to bulk up in one area, to do worse in another.
Prospal and a draft pick is more likely, only if they are confident they can go far with Raycroft. Either way, I would take Raycroft over most picks, he is the calder winner and will bounce back.
Habs get number 25 this year |
| hockster |
Posted - 01/08/2008 : 19:04:17
St. Louis or if they are lucky Lecavalier |
| hockster |
Posted - 01/08/2008 : 18:57:42
Ya
But they are looking at Turco too.
One of the big three may be gone by the trade deadline! |
| hockster |
Posted - 01/08/2008 : 18:50:49
Where do you think Raycroft could go? |
| hockster |
Posted - 01/08/2008 : 18:47:29
i could see him really helping a team in the playoffs |
| hockster |
Posted - 01/08/2008 : 18:43:32
He is old he wants to win it all and there he has no chance! |
| hockster |
Posted - 01/08/2008 : 18:35:11
I guess but there is talk of them trying to get rid of older players and rebuild. Be cause he is the face of the Franchise doesnt matter.
Example Ryan Smyth Mr Oilers Traded |
