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| Canucks Man |
Posted - 01/18/2010 : 10:36:03
http://tsn.ca/chl/story/?id=306650
Check this out, there is a link for the video in the article I posted, its a poor quality video but you can still see the dirty hit.
To me this is worse than the Liambis hit, sticking his elbow out.
CANUCKS RULE!!!
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| irvine |
Posted - 01/28/2010 : 15:50:51
I have a cousin, who is currently around 30 years of age.
Anyways,
When he was playing minor hockey he was cross-checked from behind, head first in to the end boards.
The sad part of this, is that he is paralyzed from this incident. He has never walked since. But one thing he said to me is this...
"Although I can never play hockey again, due to somebody else' actions. I don't wish it upon him to suffer the same as I did. Accidents happen, extreme as the consicience may be."
So to say that you hope Cormier gets "his" upon arriving in the NHL, is the harshest of this. You don't ever wish the same upon anyone, especially if it never happened to you. Things happen, extreme yes.
But in the end, I'm sure he'll learn his lesson. So don't ruin the rest of his life and career over an accident. As extreme as it may be.
Irvine/prez. |
| HawkinOilCountry |
Posted - 01/27/2010 : 06:55:37
Yea the Huskies are appealing, not Cormier. Tourigny is trying to win a Championship, or at least make a good run for one becasue his team is almost bankrupt and they want to attract sponsors. They're appealling becasue they brought Cormier in to try and save the team. I have no sympathy for them myself, but thought I'd share the "feel good" story I heard on TSN last night.
Cormier thinks the suspension is harsh, I personally think it's not harsh enough. But you can't hand out suspensions across different leagues so i guess this is as tough as it's going to get.
I hope he never makes it to the NHL, especially to New Jersey. Don't want to see a good team tarnished by garbage like Patrice Cormier. Let him languish in the AHL until he's too old to play.
The arena wall in chicago should be credited with a goal. |
| n/a |
Posted - 01/27/2010 : 05:48:39
I think the suspension is light.
I hope Cormier gets his due once he reaches the NHL, because he deserves it. Hopefully he doesn't end anyone else's career before that happens . . .
I love hockey, but a lot of things in Canadian hockey culture are really rotten right now, and getting worse.
"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug |
| Guest9661 |
Posted - 01/26/2010 : 20:49:00
quote:
Originally posted by Canucks Man
I think the appeal is more coming from the team, they invested a lot in him and only had him for 3 game.
Too fXXXXXXX bad for the team. Michael Tam had quite a bit invested in his life too.
This quote I find disturbing coming from the Rouyn Norand Huskies:
"It’s unreal to have Patrice take the blame for all past incidents. One person alone cannot carry that heavy responsibility,” Tourigny said."
Cormier is not alone to carry the responsibility. Tam and all victims like him carry a much higher burden that this heartless coach Tourigny will ever experience. He should talk to Tam and all victims like him and ask who has a heavier burden, Cormier being suspended for the season or Tam not remembering meeting Tourigny ever as Tourigny is standing there before him. I guess that 's the kind of heartlessness needed when another coach can send out his son to cross check another kid in the head during a stoppage in play.... but that's another rant.
My respect for this team and Cormier has just sunk below that of a sewer rat. C'mon Q, stick to your guns and if I may suggest add another year for every appeal.
R-N Huskies is quite the classless org. |
| Canucks Man |
Posted - 01/26/2010 : 19:03:09
I think the appeal is more coming from the team, they invested a lot in him and only had him for 3 game.
CANUCKS RULE!!!
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| Guest9661 |
Posted - 01/26/2010 : 18:45:09
quote:
Originally posted by sharksfan44
cormier got his suspension today. it's for the remainder of the season and the playoffs as well.
http://www.tsn.ca/chl/story/?id=307618
This kid is a joke. First he fully accepts the decision. Now he respects the decision but thinks it is a little harsh and setting up to appeal.
You know what is harsh Patrice? Not being able to count to ten because you can't remember what number you are now at because some punk elbowed you in the head and injured your brain. You know what else is harsh, not ever being able to play hockey again because of your brain injury from an elbow to the head.
If he appeals, I hope this goes before a judge and let's see how much respect he has for a judge's decision. Hope he fully accepts that decision.
Do the crime, do the time. Cormier is a punk a$$ kid. If he appeals and gets his time reduced, I hope he gets injured on the first game he comes back (I know that's harsh - but damn it this kid is seriously pi$$ing me off). |
| Alex116 |
Posted - 01/26/2010 : 00:26:36
This was def worse than what Liambas did imo. The suspension seems fair and i don't even wanna start getting into the other stuff that gets brought up everytime something like this happens:
1. call the cops
2. what if a guy pulls a knife
3. extent of injury should be defined by how long victim is out
4. intentional / unintentional
5. etc, etc...
Bottom line is this, it was a brutal, flagrant, attempt to injure and he should and has been punished. Hopefully Tam recovers and can resume his career and Cormier can get past an incident that i'm sure he truly regrets. |
| sharksfan44 |
Posted - 01/25/2010 : 14:31:23
cormier got his suspension today. it's for the remainder of the season and the playoffs as well.
http://www.tsn.ca/chl/story/?id=307618 |
| Guest2789 |
Posted - 01/25/2010 : 12:53:49
quote:
Originally posted by Guest9273
quote:
Originally posted by Guest2789
This punk is an embarassment to Canadian hockey. Why we didn't win a gold..because of goons like this kid on the team.
LOL .. Yes we didn't win because he throws an elbow weeks later. That goon was picked as captain, and you probably loved the guy a few weeks ago. Now you're just jumping on the hate bandwagon.
You obviously did not watch the WJC....You are a goon if you think this is good hockey. |
| Guest0950 |
Posted - 01/24/2010 : 19:00:47
quote:
Originally posted by Guest8764
Bit of a rant but c'mon, who actually wants to hurt another guys who makes his living the same way you do?
Mike Tyson. Pick almost any DB in the NFL.
You would like hockey players?
Bertuzzi.
McSorley.
M. Richards.
C. Pronger.
Liambas.
Cormier.
Kassian.
I'm sure I've left out a lot of hockey and non hockey names. |
| Guest8764 |
Posted - 01/24/2010 : 08:53:22
I really don't mean to give offense here but are there a lot of actual hockey players on this forum? This "intent to injure" thing gets thrown around so willy-nilly these days and it drives me crazy.
The fact of the matter was, is, and always will be that in hockey or any other physical sport you sometimes throw a hit that you shouldn't have thrown. You don't think about it before you do it and you certainly feel like an idiot after you do it.
Give these guys a little more credit. If they really wanted to injure each other you would be seeing a lot more injuries. These are two-hundred pound human beings traveling at 30 miles per hour for god's sake!
Yeah, the elbow's up, he goes out of his way to get a piece of the other player, it's dirty but I seriously doubt that there was a significant amount of thought that went into it. Bit of a rant but c'mon, who actually wants to hurt another guys who makes his living the same way you do? |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 01/23/2010 : 21:39:06
I can't see him getting anything less than the rest of the season. Especially after this other hit (Kassian) gets 20 games and the kid he hit was not hurt at least not nearly as bad.
However, what's the real punishment. Cormier is already drafted and will more than likely crack the Devils next season, or at the least be in the AHL still making cash.
It's almost like a bit of time off for the kid.
To the Kassian hit for a second. Does anyone else find it incredibly telling that these kids are intending on hurting people with these hits when the are skating backwards with their gloves off as soon as they get up after laying the hit?? Kassian anyway. I thought that garbage. |
| fat_elvis_rocked |
Posted - 01/23/2010 : 21:12:50
Just as a little twist to the upcoming going-ons once the discipline is announced.
If Cormier doesn't get suspended for the remainder of the season, does Liambas then have grounds to appeal his suspension? I realize the incidents are from two different sub leauges of the CHL, but does one precedent negate the other if the suspension isn't similar?
I only ask due to the fact that in recent light, Cormier has proven to be a bit of a thug as well, the world junior being of the biggest stage, and him doing something similar.
In my opinion, if they don't give Cormier the rest of the season, the QMJHL is sending out entirely the wrong message. The OHL then also looks overly militant if that is the case. No win for anyone, especially Tam and Fanelli.
Is a plugger thought of with that less of an opinion than a 'prospect'? I guess we'll see. It would be a shame, it takes a lot of pluggers to make that prospect look as good as he does.... |
| irvine |
Posted - 01/23/2010 : 16:46:08
*huge sigh*
I see it like this...
Yes, the elbow to the head was indeed, very wrong. Never should have happened. But this kid is not a goon. He's a hard working player, who plays with intensity and physicality. But not a goon.
He made a very big mistake, but this is the type of player I believe will learn from his mistakes, and not repeat the incident in the future. Once he serves his time and reflects on the situation.
He was named Captain of Team Canada for a reason. All of the talent on Canada, he was named Captain as a third-line player. That says something about him on and off the ice.
It never should have happened, but it did. In the end, I believe he deserves what he gets suspension wise, no police action. And I also believe he'll learn from this incident. Give him a second chance.
Irvine/prez. |
| Axey |
Posted - 01/23/2010 : 09:47:58
Last one was me btw. |
| Guest9273 |
Posted - 01/23/2010 : 09:44:08
quote:
Originally posted by Guest2789
This punk is an embarassment to Canadian hockey. Why we didn't win a gold..because of goons like this kid on the team.
LOL .. Yes we didn't win because he throws an elbow weeks later. That goon was picked as captain, and you probably loved the guy a few weeks ago. Now you're just jumping on the hate bandwagon. |
| Thrasher |
Posted - 01/21/2010 : 06:57:55
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Oh, to touch on the Police being involved, I agree that they don't have a place in things within hockey unless it's something not defined within the game nor something has never occured before. Even at that point, there are limitations. If a hockey player pulls a knife on someone, ya, call the cops. But if the cops got involved with every illegal play, it would end the game as we know it.
As part of the rules of the game, certain things are ruled outside of regular laws.
Fair enough. Just wondering if you think cops should have been involved in the Bertuzzi incident? That had nothing to do with the game. He attacked someone and nearly killed him. When can we draw the line? No, I don't want the cops involved in every incident. But certain ones i believe need to be looked at. Bertuzzi and Mcsorley are the types I think need to be passed from league to proper authorities. Perhaps they have no say in this particular case, but they do need a place in sports somewhat, and somehow they have been left out. I'm sick of watching these kinds of plays over and over and nothing gets done about them. Hockey is the greatest sport on earth, but at this rate, no one will be playing in a couple years because they all have brain damage. (Don't take that too seriously).
I Promise I didn't give her the STD, I'm not a sharing person. |
| Guest6336 |
Posted - 01/21/2010 : 01:20:27
This was way worse than the Liambis hit!!! Anyone who can't see that must be blind. The intentional blow to the head is a viscious attack. This kid needs to receive more than what Liambis got, however since he is a high draft pick I believe he will get the rest of the year and be in the NHL next year having not missed very much hockey at all. |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 01/20/2010 : 23:07:55
Oh, to touch on the Police being involved, I agree that they don't have a place in things within hockey unless it's something not defined within the game nor something has never occured before. Even at that point, there are limitations. If a hockey player pulls a knife on someone, ya, call the cops. But if the cops got involved with every illegal play, it would end the game as we know it.
As part of the rules of the game, certain things are ruled outside of regular laws.
For example, in the game of hockey you have the right to body check another player (cleanly) who has the puck at any time during the course of play.
Now, for the best part of the experiment, throw a hockey puck to your local Walmart Greeter and then take them out (cleanly) with a body check.
Let me know how that works out. Get video if you can.
Point is, certain things in hockey are managed outside of the rules of regular society as in many other sports. The police have no reason to be involved as the league are responsible for their players, the players willingly participate in the sport with the inherint risks, and the leagues have the responsiblity of punishing their players for infractions. |
| Thrasher |
Posted - 01/20/2010 : 22:17:50
The punishment should differ regardless of the outcome. Its not perfect, but nothing is. If you injure someone with a cheap hit and are suspended for a period of time, it should be until that player is back playing again.
If you injure someone like Cormier did, your taking away that guys chance to play, and in this case, chance to live a normal life to some extent. I heard on the radio that that Tams kid may have brain damage (not sure if its true, and i'm too tired to look it up). Cormier made a choice to stick that elbow up, and now the other guy has to pay the price. So Cormier's career should not be allowed to continue until the other guys has. And if he doesn't return, then tough luck. If the leagues do this a couple times, players will hopefully think twice about delivering a cheapshot at the end of games.
Someone said the police should not be involved because it happened on the rink..... Since when does federal jurisdiction end just because a hockey game is being played? If a player pulls out a knife and uses it, does only the league get a say in what happens?? Patrice used his elbow as a WEAPON and seriously injured someone else. What if this had happened at a bar? Someone throws a punch or an elbow and another guy go's down cunvulsing, the bartender doesn't decide the culprits fate. Intent was there, and no one after seeing that can honestly say he was lining him up for a hit. Tams was going straight ahead, there was no way he could have missed him. I think he should be charged as much as anyone outside of a rink, because I can promise you in the book of law, there is no star beside assualt saying exempt if playing hockey.
If no one likes that, how about a 3 strike policy? If your suspended 3 times for dirty plays like that, your gone. It may not seem fair, but theres been too many hits like this so far, and every week we seem to talk about a new one.
I Promise I didn't give her the STD, I'm not a sharing person. |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 01/20/2010 : 21:50:21
quote:
Originally posted by leigh
quote:
Originally posted by Beans15
....Just like I see Orange and Blue and smile....
my mistake, here is the real root of the problem, you see Orange and Blue. Geesh! 
Seriously, here is what is important to me..."graduated scale" good choice of words - it definitely means that each infraction needs to be evaluated independently. But I also think that the end result needs to be considered. If a guy gets seriously hurt then the peanlty is more severe than if a guy gets up and is ok after the infraction.
Agreed, but that outcome should further qualify the suspension. Such as first offence, 10 game suspension PLUS another 10 for the seriousness of the injury. For example. |
| leigh |
Posted - 01/20/2010 : 17:21:54
quote:
Originally posted by Beans15
....Just like I see Orange and Blue and smile....
my mistake, here is the real root of the problem, you see Orange and Blue. Geesh!
Seriously, here is what is important to me..."graduated scale" good choice of words - it definitely means that each infraction needs to be evaluated independently. But I also think that the end result needs to be considered. If a guy gets seriously hurt then the peanlty is more severe than if a guy gets up and is ok after the infraction. |
| fat_elvis_rocked |
Posted - 01/20/2010 : 15:37:24
In my opinion, it is exactly because of the grey areas of any sport that has physical contact, that any punishment and subsequent discipline, has to be subjective to each incident.
Like you mentioned Beans, if Tam had gotten up, skated to the bench, and came out later to play the rest of the game, we wouldn't be talking about this incident. If that was the case, does that mean that Cormier should still be harshly disciplined then? Multi game suspension for intending to injure, but not being very good at it?
I know, I know, should it take a serious injury to make that call? No. Therein lies the world of grey.
To begin to allow automatic, albeit, graduated terms of dispcipline to become instituted for intended infractions, in my opinion, would open the door for a watered down version of physical hockey, reminiscent of an All-Star game. Would that be a bad thing to have, all the skill showcased without any of the physical danger and punishment that the game currently has? Maybe not, if that's what the fans wanted, and if that's what would perpetuate the existence of the league.
Call me old school, a troglodyte, even a meathead, but as far as I know and have known, these incidents, although disturbing and excessive, have been happening in various forms for almost all the nearly 100 years the league has been in existence, and if anything, there is more accountability for these incidents than there ever has been.
Due to the longevity and growth of the league, it's what we as fans seem to want.
This is another tragic example of the dark side of the physical game, and a player's bad judgements. It certainly doesn't define the game, only the player.
No, again, only my opinion, but the game needs to keep policing itself the way it does, be harsh when necessary, but don't redefine itself because of some bad apples.
And no offence to anyone, but to start involving the police and legalities, potential lawsuits for responsibility and so on, into the arenas? Yikes!
If I remember correctly, signing waivers to participate,are part of being able to play the game for exactly that reason.
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| Beans15 |
Posted - 01/20/2010 : 14:33:40
Dude, I hear exactly what you are saying and as much as it may appear that my world is black and white, I can see color and grey as well. Just like I see Orange and Blue and smile and I'll see red when my avatar is a Leafs logo.
That being said, I must apologize for being idealistic. At times, it is difficult to filter out things in printed form.
I guess we are pretty close to in agreement. It would have made sense if I talked about 'intentional' elbows. For example, if I am digging in the corner for the puck, two hands on my stick and a player comes into me from behind and eats my elbow pad, that in unintentional. And for those I agree 100% that you can't get rid of those, but I also don't see those as a penalty.
However, a blatant elbow, specifically to the head is all intentional and has no place in the game. Those should be punished swiftly and severely regardless of the injury or lack of injury and in my opinion on a graduated scale.
Again, whole heartedly yes. Bring back the old Cooper, circa 1985 elbow pads, shoulder pads, etc and watch things change nearly over night.
And bring back Cooperall's at the same time!! And the Hartford Whalers!! |
| leigh |
Posted - 01/20/2010 : 14:08:04
quote:
Originally posted by Beans15
I don't agree that you see my point. If you think that elbows are 'innocent' and that players just get hurt sometimes from 'innocent elbows', then I think you miss the entire point of hockey and the physical aspect of the game. Just because there is a penalty against it doesn't make it part of the game.
You're very dramatic Beans. Sorry but I live in a world of grey. I'd like to live in your black and white world...it must be nice.
Perhaps I am not missing the "entire point of hockey". Perhaps we have differing views. But then again that may be too grey of a concept for you. 
I will retract my statement about "innocent" and acknowledge that it was a poor choice of words. Let me rephase; circumstantial, unintentional, accidental. You claim that all elbows must be treated the same regardless of outcome. If the intent was there then they must be punished to the full extent of the law! I am saying that each one should be dealt with individually and therefore subjectivity is inherent. Like it or lump it my friend.
You will NEVER be able to take all the bad elements out of the game. Simply put - when you are dealing with highly competitve, elite athletes and put them in pressured filled, firely, and aggressive situations you will get an explosion. When you are promoting it as product that is on the "edge", the NHL as marketers, and we as consumers, have to also assume responsibilty for what happens. We can not throw the player under the bus alone - heavy repeat offenders excluded. I am saying that, knowing this, a simple solution is to change the gear to non-hard-shell. |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 01/20/2010 : 12:38:10
I don't agree that you see my point. If you think that elbows are 'innocent' and that players just get hurt sometimes from 'innocent elbows', then I think you miss the entire point of hockey and the physical aspect of the game. Just because there is a penalty against it doesn't make it part of the game.
Now I agree whole heartedly that the equipment today requires changes and that softer materials used would not only reduce the likelihood of serious injures to the player getting hit but also make the players doing the hitting think twice as they would feel the impact as well. However, I can't agree that Elbowing is part of the game, because it simply isn't. Penalty or not, a player striking another player with an elbow has zero place in hockey. It has nothing to do with the play of the game and does nothing but attempt to injury, in every single situation. I disagee that there is every an 'innocent' elbow. They all have the same intent and none are innocent in that intent.
So if the NHL brings in a rule against hits to the head, does that mean it becomes part of the game?? Sorry Pal, I simply find that a weak arguement that if a play has a penalty behind it that it's part of the game. |
| K73 |
Posted - 01/20/2010 : 12:35:09
Um... what? Elbows are a part of the game because there's a penalty for them? Is clotheslining a guy with your stick part of the game? Is stepping on a guy with your skate part of the game? There's penalties for those too, they must be part of the game!
There are established penalties for these precisely because they are NOT part of the game. |
| leigh |
Posted - 01/20/2010 : 11:49:53
quote:
Originally posted by Beans15
Leigh, you are missing the point. People get hurt in hockey all the time, and I agree. For example, last week when Elias got rocked in Colorado his own coach simply said he was not as ready for the hit as he should have been. This is an injury that you can't get rid of in hockey. However, an elbow to the head is an intent to injury every single time. What the hell is an innocent elbow?? There is no such thing! Is there such thing as an innocent butt end or was it innocent when McSorely hit Brashear in the head with his stick?? These are people of age who clearly understand the consequences of their action. Nothing is innocent. A player may hit another under the rules of the game and hurt them. That is one thing. Elbows to the head?? There is nothing innocent about that!
Beans, don't tell me that I am missing the point. I'm not missing the point, I am disagreeing with you on it. These are two different things.
And to be clear they are playing within the rules. Elbows are a part of the game - this is why we have established penalties for them. If they are vicious then get the league involved and invoke a suspension. There are rules and parameters and players need to to take responsibility for their actions, man up and be accountable. Cormier's hit was extremely vicious and I say suspend him severely (and I admit to not believing in heavy suspensions by today's standards)
Again, the problem is that we allow gear to have hard plastic shells on them and therefore players get hurt more severly and we as fans have to witness a guy have a seizure on the ice. A tragedy!!!! An elbow is bad, we can all agree on this. But if the league would go back to soft shelled gear (put the plastic in the middle sandwiched between two softer layers) and we will not see these types of injuries. AND we can see a pasionate game of hockey where elite athletes can still compete on the edge. If someone goes over the line, punish them accordingly.
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| n/a |
Posted - 01/20/2010 : 11:09:53
I agree with Leigh about the equipment, as does almost everyone in hockey . . . getting rid of the hard plastic shells would be a huge factor in reducing injuries, especially ones to the head. Then you might start getting some bruised elbows with these shots at least . . .
What I don't agree with is keep the police out of it. If the league thinks it's warranted, it probably is. When an infraction is so far outside the rules (although I'm iffy on whether this in particular should involve police) you are darn right there needs to be civic responsibility!
I also think that the rules should be better defined as to suspensions . . . and other penalties.
I was listening to the FAN 590 this morning, and the father of the kid from the Kassian hit was on, talking right after they had a league rep on. He was a very well-spoken individual and he talked about the after effect on the injured player's career, as that often involves the end of a career, the end of a potential contract for next year, etc. He talked about hospital bills and all kinds of expenses that go on for the kids and their families after the fact, and going on well after the perpetrator has served their suspension and goes on to have a pro career. It was suggested that some sort of financial culpability should be added to the league or club, to offset the damages and expenses incurred from severe, illegal non-hockey plays that result in substantial injury.
He also talked about Kassian getting a slap on the wrist 5 game suspension for another brutal hit earlier in the year . . . have to think that having Bobby Orr on your side (one of his agents) has some pull.
The punishments have to start fitting the crimes.
"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 01/20/2010 : 09:12:43
quote:
Originally posted by leigh
Nasty, nasty, nasty. Much worse than the Liambas hit. I've seen worse elbows but this is up there with one of the nastiest.
As for the RCMP, keep the police out of it. They have no business in hockey...ever. I said it on the McSorely slash, I said it on the Bertuzzi punch and I'll say it again here. No, no, no, no no!
Basing punishment exclusively on the act rather than the result is a fantasy and can never happen. Beans you're dreaming. 99.99% of elbows result in no damage to the recipient. Are you going to suspend a guy for a year because of an innocent elbow? No, it's rediculous!
People get hurt in hockey. If it's ugly, punish them and punish them hard. But every incident should be evaluated on it's own merit, not some magical ruler that you think the league should have.
As for Cormier's elbow...it's ugly and was clearly intent to injure. Give him a 10 game suspension and put him on notice. If he's a repeat offender then double it - and so on.
Now let's get to the root of the problem...remove the hard shells from the outside of the equipment and you'll reduce head injuries by 90%. End of story.
Leigh, you are missing the point. People get hurt in hockey all the time, and I agree. For example, last week when Elias got rocked in Colorado his own coach simply said he was not as ready for the hit as he should have been. This is an injury that you can't get rid of in hockey. However, an elbow to the head is an intent to injury every single time. What the hell is an innocent elbow?? There is no such thing! Is there such thing as an innocent butt end or was it innocent when McSorely hit Brashear in the head with his stick?? These are people of age who clearly understand the consequences of their action. Nothing is innocent. A player may hit another under the rules of the game and hurt them. That is one thing. Elbows to the head?? There is nothing innocent about that!
Now, I never once said that a player who delivers an elbow should be kicked out for a year. Don't put words into my mouth. But it's no different than the automatic fines involved with players engaging in fights in the last 5 minutes of the 3rd or the automatic suspensions for game misconducts. If the powers really want to get rid of this kind of thing, there would be swift and severe punishment. For example, a direct elbow to the head will result in an automatic 10 game suspension. 2nd Offense would be 25 games. 3rd offense would be 50 games.
I think you get the point. And I agree I am more than likely dreaming that it would ever happen. At the same time, I also think I am seeing a serious deterioration of the game once called hockey without something being done about this garbage.
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| leigh |
Posted - 01/20/2010 : 01:15:29
Nasty, nasty, nasty. Much worse than the Liambas hit. I've seen worse elbows but this is up there with one of the nastiest.
As for the RCMP, keep the police out of it. They have no business in hockey...ever. I said it on the McSorely slash, I said it on the Bertuzzi punch and I'll say it again here. No, no, no, no no!
Basing punishment exclusively on the act rather than the result is a fantasy and can never happen. Beans you're dreaming. 99.99% of elbows result in no damage to the recipient. Are you going to suspend a guy for a year because of an innocent elbow? No, it's rediculous!
People get hurt in hockey. If it's ugly, punish them and punish them hard. But every incident should be evaluated on it's own merit, not some magical ruler that you think the league should have.
As for Cormier's elbow...it's ugly and was clearly intent to injure. Give him a 10 game suspension and put him on notice. If he's a repeat offender then double it - and so on.
Now let's get to the root of the problem...remove the hard shells from the outside of the equipment and you'll reduce head injuries by 90%. End of story. |
| Guest6704 |
Posted - 01/19/2010 : 15:15:25
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Originally posted by slozo
Does anyone know if the kid has a history of suspensions/dirty hits? If so . . . yeah, that might be your career, kid. At the very least, should be suspended for the rest of the season.
Yes he has had one other suspension prior to this for a hit from behind I think.
This is disgusting in everyway. |
| Larrydavid |
Posted - 01/19/2010 : 13:48:19
The first thing they should do is change the equipment they are using. The elbow pads and shoulder pads are way too hard. |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 01/19/2010 : 13:09:53
Again, people missed my point about this having no place in hockey, so I agree with the vast majority of people one here.
However, the point I am trying to make is that this is a perfect example of why basing discipline on outcome rather than action is never going to get rid of this kind of stuff.
Hear me out. This was a horrible outcome for this poor Tam kid, who himself may have his junior career end because of this. However, if this kid gets off the ice and skates to his bench, this is a 2 minute elbowing penalty and MAYBE a game misconduct for intent to injury. No suspension. Nothing else.
However, because this kid gets seriously hurt, now and only now will there be a substantial suspension.
That's my point. All elbows to the head are intent to injure, but it takes a serious injury for action to be taken. If the powers that be in hockey really wanted to get rid of this kind of thing, all elbows to the head would be punished severely with or without injuries occuring.
The punishment handed out to Cormier will be specific to that player and he deserves it. But it is still telling other players that dirty hits are ok as long as other players don't get hurt. Hockey in North America is all united in this and I think that is wrong. |
| n/a |
Posted - 01/19/2010 : 09:28:10
Well, it's certainly intent to injure, and raising the elbow like that for a clear head shot is not a hockey play.
Worse than Liambas' hit.
Does anyone know if the kid has a history of suspensions/dirty hits? If so . . . yeah, that might be your career, kid. At the very least, should be suspended for the rest of the season.
To all you people still saying the Liambas hits wasn't that bad, or that this kid shouldn't get a serious suspension . . . are you starting to realise that all this condoning behaviour has an effect? This is where the attitudes are allowed to blossom, and are nourished, and they pervade right on through into the NHL.
It'll get worse, unless proper penalties for such behaviour are dealt out.
"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug |
| HawkinOilCountry |
Posted - 01/19/2010 : 09:26:30
I read in the Sun today that the Remparts organisation has filed a complaint with the RCMP. They want to charge Cormier criminally. THere wasn't a whole lot of information regarding the investigation, but I'll be interested to see what comes of it.
The arena wall in chicago should be credited with a goal. |
| Guest2789 |
Posted - 01/19/2010 : 08:29:46
This punk is an embarassment to Canadian hockey. Why we didn't win a gold..because of goons like this kid on the team. The fact that he has used the elbow to his advantage many times shows that he goes out with the intent to injure. He should never play pro hockey. But, thanks to Mr Weasel Bettman this seems to be accepted in pro hockey. Bettman is slowly destroying the game by allowing the players to give cheap hits at the pro level with no real reprecussions. Players are slowly losing respect for each other and the game, and that is trickling down to the minor leagues. Throw out the instigator rule...let players be accountable to each other for their acts on the ice....Think about it...Gretz was 185 lbs(wet), yet he played for many years at a high level, giving us many highlite goals, thanks to what? SEMENKO, McSORELY, etc If you cheap shot Wayne..you had it comin. I hope this punk ass loser kid never plays a game in the nhl...and I can only feel for the poor parents of the young man who took the elbow...may you heal up and be healthy....that was NOT Canada's game. |
| Guest8165 |
Posted - 01/19/2010 : 06:48:18
Without a doubt attempt to injure... he didn't even put his stick on the ice once before hitting him. If you've ever played any hockey with bodychecking the intent for hitting is to take a player off the puck hopefully putting him on the ground to create an odd man rush the other way buying the few extra seconds...in this case his intent was knowing he was going to pass the puck but had committed to the hit the minute he stepped onto the ice. Without question suspension has to be a minimum of 10 games... if your gonna miss a guy because he side steps you it doesn't give you the right to be pissed and throw an elbow up last second and probably end any future of professional hockey for the victim. Cormier is a joke and deserves the book thrown at him. |
| Guest6074 |
Posted - 01/19/2010 : 05:21:31
All he did was lift his elbow as a reaction because Tam moved out of the way of the hit. Cormier didnt mean to hurt him, he made a split second descion and it just happened he caught tam on the button |
| Guest4227 |
Posted - 01/19/2010 : 05:13:35
Beans I
am surprised that you don't think it is as bad as the Liambas hit. I am wondering what your thoughts were on the Bertuzzi hit. Without looking for it I am sure there have been similar sucker punches without the same result.
This hit is way worse than Liambas. With Liambas he was past the red line before the guy started to turn his back to him. This is a blatant attempt to injure.
Without the instigator hits like this wouldn't happen as often.
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