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Canucks Man
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 Posted - 01/18/2010 : 10:36:03
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http://tsn.ca/chl/story/?id=306650
Check this out, there is a link for the video in the article I posted, its a poor quality video but you can still see the dirty hit.
To me this is worse than the Liambis hit, sticking his elbow out.
CANUCKS RULE!!!
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Guest6643
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Posted - 01/18/2010 : 11:55:16
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| Way worse then the Liambas hit. I can see it now Slozo and Beans are gona say ban this kid from ever playing again. |
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Matt_Roberts85
PickupHockey Pro
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Posted - 01/18/2010 : 12:17:15
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There is just no place in hockey for antics like this. This is just terrible.
Cormier went headhunting during the juniors against a couple of the euro teams but completley went missing in the game against the states, and now he goes after another euro. He seems to have a bit of a history here.
This is just so vicious and so unneccesary, what an embarassment to have this kid as the captain of team canada I hope he gets the rest of the year.
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E". |
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Beans15
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Posted - 01/18/2010 : 12:35:56
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I have not watched the video yet and can't from my work computer so I will reserve judgement.
That being said, I can't see any hit being worse than the Liambas one. Simple, I group hits into 2 catagories.
1 - Hockey Hits - Those day to day, big or small, hits that happen in hockey every day as part of the game.
2 - Hits to Injure- Those Liambas type hits that the only points was to hurt the other player and had no relevance to the game of hockey at all.
Now, the OUTCOME from the hits may be different, but that's not the point. The point is that hits to injure have no place in the sport of hockey.
I am sure I'll have something else to say once I see the hits.
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Guest4746
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Posted - 01/18/2010 : 14:15:09
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| Absolutely horrible, if he doesn't get banned for a long time maybe seeing the guy convulsing on the ice will wake this douche bag up!!!! |
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Guest4796
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Posted - 01/18/2010 : 14:23:11
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| That was disgusting, definite intent to injure. That should cost him at least 20 games if not the rest of the season. |
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Guest2106
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Posted - 01/18/2010 : 14:34:27
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Beans, it's worse than Liambas. Maybe you don't agree, but there is a case to be made for the Liambas hit not having an intent to injure, blah blah blah. Let's not get into it.
Cormier skates off the bench, across the ice to the far side of the faceoff cricle. Then, after Mikael Tam passes the puck, Cormier delivers an elblow to his head. It wasn't the Richards/Booth, high hit with the shoulder pads, it was a 'skate-by' elbow. Watch the video, but I think you'll agree it is vicious, and Cormier is in for a tough time now.
Here's a link to just the video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aplfhPu4iiU&feature=player_embedded |
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sharksfan44
Rookie
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Posted - 01/18/2010 : 14:45:56
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just watched the video, absolutley BRUTAL. theres no place in hockey for these types of plays. This was a complete intent to injure no doubt about it.
He should get suspended indefinitley imo. there should be no tolerence for plays like this. |
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leafsfan_101
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Posted - 01/18/2010 : 15:14:57
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| Absolutely sickening. Cormier should be given the book. Because he is a first time offender he will get the match six games, plus any other intent to injure suspension. I would not be surprised to see him get the year. To me think ranks worse then Liambas, and it is definitely worthy of a long suspension. |
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HawkinOilCountry
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 01/18/2010 : 16:00:00
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Sickening. A guy like that got drafted by New Jersey? I know I won't bat an eye if this idiot never plays in the NHL. No amount of skill or credentials can justify this.
The arena wall in chicago should be credited with a goal. |
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Axey
PickupHockey Pro
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Posted - 01/18/2010 : 17:29:23
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Blown out of proportion. Head shot, yes. Intent, maybe. Convulsions have nothing to do with it, watch a boxing match some guys get hit with light jab and down they go into convulsions. Its all about where the impact was, not so much the power of it.
I for one do not like Cormier at all being a Cape Breton fan myself, but that is the nature of his game. Physical play is what he is about, unfortunate incident. The guy did turn away at the time though. Suspension will defintely be handed down, but I think the whole never playing again is ridiculous. Its like the death penatly, if Big Bert got another chance then why not him?
Liambas hit cannot even be related, I still think he got far too much of a punishment. |
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HawkinOilCountry
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Posted - 01/18/2010 : 18:09:45
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At least Liambas was making a hockey play. Cormier didn't even pretend to make it look like a check. He just stuck his elbow out at his OWN head level.
This was very deliberate intent to injure. To call it anything but is ignorant.
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Guest0999
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Posted - 01/18/2010 : 18:30:11
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Axey, intent maybe? Was he just airing out his armpit? I think you're using the idea of physicality as an excuse for things that truly should not be in the game.
On another note, where is that instinct learned. We all know how fast the game is played, and that so much is based on instinct. So at what level of hockey does this have to change so that players don't have the instinct to throw out elbows like that, or lean into a guys head with his shoulder, etc. Is this even something that can be changed? |
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Beans15
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Posted - 01/18/2010 : 19:50:59
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Alright, before you all berate me for being a hypocrite, the first and foremost comment I have is that plays like this have no business in hockey. None. And I do not condone this kind of activity.
Now that has been said, let me be controversial for a second.
What made this play so sickening?? Was it the elbow, or the result of it??
Here are just a few samples of very similar plays that have not been called 'sickening'.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CROEuT_VGsM&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hzlI1TqL6w
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27tAbrliwzM
There are 3 without really looking very hard. Let's look at this really close for a second. From what I watched, this Tam kid had the puck and was skating through the neutral zone looking the other way. It looks like Cormier sees this and is lining up the kid to a killer open ice hit. Tam sees him last second and veers out of the way. Cormier then lifts his elbow.
He wasn't leading with the elbow, shoulder, or anything else. He lifted his elbow when he was going to miss the hit.
Now, again, this has no place in hockey and I would not be upset if they throw the book at him. But let's call a spade a spade. The sickening thing about this play was not the hit. It was the outcome and seeing the kid on the ice like that. However, this is the EXACT reason why discipline in hockey does not work. The action is not punished unless the outcome is severe. If this hit happens and the kid is in a daze but skates off, we are not even having this conversation.
And this hit was NOTHING compared to the Lambias hit. Sure, the outcome may be worse, but the hit was not nearly as bad in my opinion.
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Canucks Man
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Posted - 01/18/2010 : 23:14:56
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At least the Liambis hit happened on a hockey play, Elbowing has nothing to do with hockey whatsoever, Cormier skated off the bench and went right for this guy, he even makes sure his timing was perfect, and this guy gets to say he captained Canada, btw he had a similer dirty hit in a pre-turny game, He's an embarresment to the sport.
CANUCKS RULE!!!
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Guest4227
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Posted - 01/19/2010 : 05:13:35
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Beans I
am surprised that you don't think it is as bad as the Liambas hit. I am wondering what your thoughts were on the Bertuzzi hit. Without looking for it I am sure there have been similar sucker punches without the same result.
This hit is way worse than Liambas. With Liambas he was past the red line before the guy started to turn his back to him. This is a blatant attempt to injure.
Without the instigator hits like this wouldn't happen as often.
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Posted - 01/19/2010 : 05:21:31
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| All he did was lift his elbow as a reaction because Tam moved out of the way of the hit. Cormier didnt mean to hurt him, he made a split second descion and it just happened he caught tam on the button |
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Guest8165
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Posted - 01/19/2010 : 06:48:18
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| Without a doubt attempt to injure... he didn't even put his stick on the ice once before hitting him. If you've ever played any hockey with bodychecking the intent for hitting is to take a player off the puck hopefully putting him on the ground to create an odd man rush the other way buying the few extra seconds...in this case his intent was knowing he was going to pass the puck but had committed to the hit the minute he stepped onto the ice. Without question suspension has to be a minimum of 10 games... if your gonna miss a guy because he side steps you it doesn't give you the right to be pissed and throw an elbow up last second and probably end any future of professional hockey for the victim. Cormier is a joke and deserves the book thrown at him. |
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Guest2789
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Posted - 01/19/2010 : 08:29:46
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| This punk is an embarassment to Canadian hockey. Why we didn't win a gold..because of goons like this kid on the team. The fact that he has used the elbow to his advantage many times shows that he goes out with the intent to injure. He should never play pro hockey. But, thanks to Mr Weasel Bettman this seems to be accepted in pro hockey. Bettman is slowly destroying the game by allowing the players to give cheap hits at the pro level with no real reprecussions. Players are slowly losing respect for each other and the game, and that is trickling down to the minor leagues. Throw out the instigator rule...let players be accountable to each other for their acts on the ice....Think about it...Gretz was 185 lbs(wet), yet he played for many years at a high level, giving us many highlite goals, thanks to what? SEMENKO, McSORELY, etc If you cheap shot Wayne..you had it comin. I hope this punk ass loser kid never plays a game in the nhl...and I can only feel for the poor parents of the young man who took the elbow...may you heal up and be healthy....that was NOT Canada's game. |
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HawkinOilCountry
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Posted - 01/19/2010 : 09:26:30
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I read in the Sun today that the Remparts organisation has filed a complaint with the RCMP. They want to charge Cormier criminally. THere wasn't a whole lot of information regarding the investigation, but I'll be interested to see what comes of it.
The arena wall in chicago should be credited with a goal. |
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Posted - 01/19/2010 : 09:28:10
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Well, it's certainly intent to injure, and raising the elbow like that for a clear head shot is not a hockey play.
Worse than Liambas' hit.
Does anyone know if the kid has a history of suspensions/dirty hits? If so . . . yeah, that might be your career, kid. At the very least, should be suspended for the rest of the season.
To all you people still saying the Liambas hits wasn't that bad, or that this kid shouldn't get a serious suspension . . . are you starting to realise that all this condoning behaviour has an effect? This is where the attitudes are allowed to blossom, and are nourished, and they pervade right on through into the NHL.
It'll get worse, unless proper penalties for such behaviour are dealt out.
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Beans15
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Posted - 01/19/2010 : 13:09:53
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Again, people missed my point about this having no place in hockey, so I agree with the vast majority of people one here.
However, the point I am trying to make is that this is a perfect example of why basing discipline on outcome rather than action is never going to get rid of this kind of stuff.
Hear me out. This was a horrible outcome for this poor Tam kid, who himself may have his junior career end because of this. However, if this kid gets off the ice and skates to his bench, this is a 2 minute elbowing penalty and MAYBE a game misconduct for intent to injury. No suspension. Nothing else.
However, because this kid gets seriously hurt, now and only now will there be a substantial suspension.
That's my point. All elbows to the head are intent to injure, but it takes a serious injury for action to be taken. If the powers that be in hockey really wanted to get rid of this kind of thing, all elbows to the head would be punished severely with or without injuries occuring.
The punishment handed out to Cormier will be specific to that player and he deserves it. But it is still telling other players that dirty hits are ok as long as other players don't get hurt. Hockey in North America is all united in this and I think that is wrong. |
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Larrydavid
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Posted - 01/19/2010 : 13:48:19
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Guest6704
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Posted - 01/19/2010 : 15:15:25
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Originally posted by slozo
Does anyone know if the kid has a history of suspensions/dirty hits? If so . . . yeah, that might be your career, kid. At the very least, should be suspended for the rest of the season.
Yes he has had one other suspension prior to this for a hit from behind I think.
This is disgusting in everyway. |
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leigh
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Posted - 01/20/2010 : 01:15:29
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Nasty, nasty, nasty. Much worse than the Liambas hit. I've seen worse elbows but this is up there with one of the nastiest.
As for the RCMP, keep the police out of it. They have no business in hockey...ever. I said it on the McSorely slash, I said it on the Bertuzzi punch and I'll say it again here. No, no, no, no no!
Basing punishment exclusively on the act rather than the result is a fantasy and can never happen. Beans you're dreaming. 99.99% of elbows result in no damage to the recipient. Are you going to suspend a guy for a year because of an innocent elbow? No, it's rediculous!
People get hurt in hockey. If it's ugly, punish them and punish them hard. But every incident should be evaluated on it's own merit, not some magical ruler that you think the league should have.
As for Cormier's elbow...it's ugly and was clearly intent to injure. Give him a 10 game suspension and put him on notice. If he's a repeat offender then double it - and so on.
Now let's get to the root of the problem...remove the hard shells from the outside of the equipment and you'll reduce head injuries by 90%. End of story. |
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Beans15
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Posted - 01/20/2010 : 09:12:43
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Originally posted by leigh
Nasty, nasty, nasty. Much worse than the Liambas hit. I've seen worse elbows but this is up there with one of the nastiest.
As for the RCMP, keep the police out of it. They have no business in hockey...ever. I said it on the McSorely slash, I said it on the Bertuzzi punch and I'll say it again here. No, no, no, no no!
Basing punishment exclusively on the act rather than the result is a fantasy and can never happen. Beans you're dreaming. 99.99% of elbows result in no damage to the recipient. Are you going to suspend a guy for a year because of an innocent elbow? No, it's rediculous!
People get hurt in hockey. If it's ugly, punish them and punish them hard. But every incident should be evaluated on it's own merit, not some magical ruler that you think the league should have.
As for Cormier's elbow...it's ugly and was clearly intent to injure. Give him a 10 game suspension and put him on notice. If he's a repeat offender then double it - and so on.
Now let's get to the root of the problem...remove the hard shells from the outside of the equipment and you'll reduce head injuries by 90%. End of story.
Leigh, you are missing the point. People get hurt in hockey all the time, and I agree. For example, last week when Elias got rocked in Colorado his own coach simply said he was not as ready for the hit as he should have been. This is an injury that you can't get rid of in hockey. However, an elbow to the head is an intent to injury every single time. What the hell is an innocent elbow?? There is no such thing! Is there such thing as an innocent butt end or was it innocent when McSorely hit Brashear in the head with his stick?? These are people of age who clearly understand the consequences of their action. Nothing is innocent. A player may hit another under the rules of the game and hurt them. That is one thing. Elbows to the head?? There is nothing innocent about that!
Now, I never once said that a player who delivers an elbow should be kicked out for a year. Don't put words into my mouth. But it's no different than the automatic fines involved with players engaging in fights in the last 5 minutes of the 3rd or the automatic suspensions for game misconducts. If the powers really want to get rid of this kind of thing, there would be swift and severe punishment. For example, a direct elbow to the head will result in an automatic 10 game suspension. 2nd Offense would be 25 games. 3rd offense would be 50 games.
I think you get the point. And I agree I am more than likely dreaming that it would ever happen. At the same time, I also think I am seeing a serious deterioration of the game once called hockey without something being done about this garbage.
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Posted - 01/20/2010 : 11:09:53
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I agree with Leigh about the equipment, as does almost everyone in hockey . . . getting rid of the hard plastic shells would be a huge factor in reducing injuries, especially ones to the head. Then you might start getting some bruised elbows with these shots at least . . .
What I don't agree with is keep the police out of it. If the league thinks it's warranted, it probably is. When an infraction is so far outside the rules (although I'm iffy on whether this in particular should involve police) you are darn right there needs to be civic responsibility!
I also think that the rules should be better defined as to suspensions . . . and other penalties.
I was listening to the FAN 590 this morning, and the father of the kid from the Kassian hit was on, talking right after they had a league rep on. He was a very well-spoken individual and he talked about the after effect on the injured player's career, as that often involves the end of a career, the end of a potential contract for next year, etc. He talked about hospital bills and all kinds of expenses that go on for the kids and their families after the fact, and going on well after the perpetrator has served their suspension and goes on to have a pro career. It was suggested that some sort of financial culpability should be added to the league or club, to offset the damages and expenses incurred from severe, illegal non-hockey plays that result in substantial injury.
He also talked about Kassian getting a slap on the wrist 5 game suspension for another brutal hit earlier in the year . . . have to think that having Bobby Orr on your side (one of his agents) has some pull.
The punishments have to start fitting the crimes.
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leigh
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Posted - 01/20/2010 : 11:49:53
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Originally posted by Beans15
Leigh, you are missing the point. People get hurt in hockey all the time, and I agree. For example, last week when Elias got rocked in Colorado his own coach simply said he was not as ready for the hit as he should have been. This is an injury that you can't get rid of in hockey. However, an elbow to the head is an intent to injury every single time. What the hell is an innocent elbow?? There is no such thing! Is there such thing as an innocent butt end or was it innocent when McSorely hit Brashear in the head with his stick?? These are people of age who clearly understand the consequences of their action. Nothing is innocent. A player may hit another under the rules of the game and hurt them. That is one thing. Elbows to the head?? There is nothing innocent about that!
Beans, don't tell me that I am missing the point. I'm not missing the point, I am disagreeing with you on it. These are two different things.
And to be clear they are playing within the rules. Elbows are a part of the game - this is why we have established penalties for them. If they are vicious then get the league involved and invoke a suspension. There are rules and parameters and players need to to take responsibility for their actions, man up and be accountable. Cormier's hit was extremely vicious and I say suspend him severely (and I admit to not believing in heavy suspensions by today's standards)
Again, the problem is that we allow gear to have hard plastic shells on them and therefore players get hurt more severly and we as fans have to witness a guy have a seizure on the ice. A tragedy!!!! An elbow is bad, we can all agree on this. But if the league would go back to soft shelled gear (put the plastic in the middle sandwiched between two softer layers) and we will not see these types of injuries. AND we can see a pasionate game of hockey where elite athletes can still compete on the edge. If someone goes over the line, punish them accordingly.
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K73
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Posted - 01/20/2010 : 12:35:09
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Um... what? Elbows are a part of the game because there's a penalty for them? Is clotheslining a guy with your stick part of the game? Is stepping on a guy with your skate part of the game? There's penalties for those too, they must be part of the game!
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Beans15
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Posted - 01/20/2010 : 12:38:10
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I don't agree that you see my point. If you think that elbows are 'innocent' and that players just get hurt sometimes from 'innocent elbows', then I think you miss the entire point of hockey and the physical aspect of the game. Just because there is a penalty against it doesn't make it part of the game.
Now I agree whole heartedly that the equipment today requires changes and that softer materials used would not only reduce the likelihood of serious injures to the player getting hit but also make the players doing the hitting think twice as they would feel the impact as well. However, I can't agree that Elbowing is part of the game, because it simply isn't. Penalty or not, a player striking another player with an elbow has zero place in hockey. It has nothing to do with the play of the game and does nothing but attempt to injury, in every single situation. I disagee that there is every an 'innocent' elbow. They all have the same intent and none are innocent in that intent.
So if the NHL brings in a rule against hits to the head, does that mean it becomes part of the game?? Sorry Pal, I simply find that a weak arguement that if a play has a penalty behind it that it's part of the game. |
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leigh
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Posted - 01/20/2010 : 14:08:04
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Originally posted by Beans15
I don't agree that you see my point. If you think that elbows are 'innocent' and that players just get hurt sometimes from 'innocent elbows', then I think you miss the entire point of hockey and the physical aspect of the game. Just because there is a penalty against it doesn't make it part of the game.
You're very dramatic Beans. Sorry but I live in a world of grey. I'd like to live in your black and white world...it must be nice.
Perhaps I am not missing the "entire point of hockey". Perhaps we have differing views. But then again that may be too grey of a concept for you. 
I will retract my statement about "innocent" and acknowledge that it was a poor choice of words. Let me rephase; circumstantial, unintentional, accidental. You claim that all elbows must be treated the same regardless of outcome. If the intent was there then they must be punished to the full extent of the law! I am saying that each one should be dealt with individually and therefore subjectivity is inherent. Like it or lump it my friend.
You will NEVER be able to take all the bad elements out of the game. Simply put - when you are dealing with highly competitve, elite athletes and put them in pressured filled, firely, and aggressive situations you will get an explosion. When you are promoting it as product that is on the "edge", the NHL as marketers, and we as consumers, have to also assume responsibilty for what happens. We can not throw the player under the bus alone - heavy repeat offenders excluded. I am saying that, knowing this, a simple solution is to change the gear to non-hard-shell. |
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Beans15
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Posted - 01/20/2010 : 14:33:40
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Dude, I hear exactly what you are saying and as much as it may appear that my world is black and white, I can see color and grey as well. Just like I see Orange and Blue and smile and I'll see red when my avatar is a Leafs logo.
That being said, I must apologize for being idealistic. At times, it is difficult to filter out things in printed form.
I guess we are pretty close to in agreement. It would have made sense if I talked about 'intentional' elbows. For example, if I am digging in the corner for the puck, two hands on my stick and a player comes into me from behind and eats my elbow pad, that in unintentional. And for those I agree 100% that you can't get rid of those, but I also don't see those as a penalty.
However, a blatant elbow, specifically to the head is all intentional and has no place in the game. Those should be punished swiftly and severely regardless of the injury or lack of injury and in my opinion on a graduated scale.
Again, whole heartedly yes. Bring back the old Cooper, circa 1985 elbow pads, shoulder pads, etc and watch things change nearly over night.
And bring back Cooperall's at the same time!! And the Hartford Whalers!! |
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fat_elvis_rocked
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Posted - 01/20/2010 : 15:37:24
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In my opinion, it is exactly because of the grey areas of any sport that has physical contact, that any punishment and subsequent discipline, has to be subjective to each incident.
Like you mentioned Beans, if Tam had gotten up, skated to the bench, and came out later to play the rest of the game, we wouldn't be talking about this incident. If that was the case, does that mean that Cormier should still be harshly disciplined then? Multi game suspension for intending to injure, but not being very good at it?
I know, I know, should it take a serious injury to make that call? No. Therein lies the world of grey.
To begin to allow automatic, albeit, graduated terms of dispcipline to become instituted for intended infractions, in my opinion, would open the door for a watered down version of physical hockey, reminiscent of an All-Star game. Would that be a bad thing to have, all the skill showcased without any of the physical danger and punishment that the game currently has? Maybe not, if that's what the fans wanted, and if that's what would perpetuate the existence of the league.
Call me old school, a troglodyte, even a meathead, but as far as I know and have known, these incidents, although disturbing and excessive, have been happening in various forms for almost all the nearly 100 years the league has been in existence, and if anything, there is more accountability for these incidents than there ever has been.
Due to the longevity and growth of the league, it's what we as fans seem to want.
This is another tragic example of the dark side of the physical game, and a player's bad judgements. It certainly doesn't define the game, only the player.
No, again, only my opinion, but the game needs to keep policing itself the way it does, be harsh when necessary, but don't redefine itself because of some bad apples.
And no offence to anyone, but to start involving the police and legalities, potential lawsuits for responsibility and so on, into the arenas? Yikes!
If I remember correctly, signing waivers to participate,are part of being able to play the game for exactly that reason.
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leigh
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Posted - 01/20/2010 : 17:21:54
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....Just like I see Orange and Blue and smile....
my mistake, here is the real root of the problem, you see Orange and Blue. Geesh! 
Seriously, here is what is important to me..."graduated scale" good choice of words - it definitely means that each infraction needs to be evaluated independently. But I also think that the end result needs to be considered. If a guy gets seriously hurt then the peanlty is more severe than if a guy gets up and is ok after the infraction. |
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Beans15
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Posted - 01/20/2010 : 21:50:21
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Originally posted by Beans15
....Just like I see Orange and Blue and smile....
my mistake, here is the real root of the problem, you see Orange and Blue. Geesh!
Seriously, here is what is important to me..."graduated scale" good choice of words - it definitely means that each infraction needs to be evaluated independently. But I also think that the end result needs to be considered. If a guy gets seriously hurt then the peanlty is more severe than if a guy gets up and is ok after the infraction.
Agreed, but that outcome should further qualify the suspension. Such as first offence, 10 game suspension PLUS another 10 for the seriousness of the injury. For example. |
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Thrasher
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Posted - 01/20/2010 : 22:17:50
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The punishment should differ regardless of the outcome. Its not perfect, but nothing is. If you injure someone with a cheap hit and are suspended for a period of time, it should be until that player is back playing again.
If you injure someone like Cormier did, your taking away that guys chance to play, and in this case, chance to live a normal life to some extent. I heard on the radio that that Tams kid may have brain damage (not sure if its true, and i'm too tired to look it up). Cormier made a choice to stick that elbow up, and now the other guy has to pay the price. So Cormier's career should not be allowed to continue until the other guys has. And if he doesn't return, then tough luck. If the leagues do this a couple times, players will hopefully think twice about delivering a cheapshot at the end of games.
Someone said the police should not be involved because it happened on the rink..... Since when does federal jurisdiction end just because a hockey game is being played? If a player pulls out a knife and uses it, does only the league get a say in what happens?? Patrice used his elbow as a WEAPON and seriously injured someone else. What if this had happened at a bar? Someone throws a punch or an elbow and another guy go's down cunvulsing, the bartender doesn't decide the culprits fate. Intent was there, and no one after seeing that can honestly say he was lining him up for a hit. Tams was going straight ahead, there was no way he could have missed him. I think he should be charged as much as anyone outside of a rink, because I can promise you in the book of law, there is no star beside assualt saying exempt if playing hockey.
If no one likes that, how about a 3 strike policy? If your suspended 3 times for dirty plays like that, your gone. It may not seem fair, but theres been too many hits like this so far, and every week we seem to talk about a new one.
I Promise I didn't give her the STD, I'm not a sharing person. |
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Beans15
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Posted - 01/20/2010 : 23:07:55
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Oh, to touch on the Police being involved, I agree that they don't have a place in things within hockey unless it's something not defined within the game nor something has never occured before. Even at that point, there are limitations. If a hockey player pulls a knife on someone, ya, call the cops. But if the cops got involved with every illegal play, it would end the game as we know it.
As part of the rules of the game, certain things are ruled outside of regular laws.
For example, in the game of hockey you have the right to body check another player (cleanly) who has the puck at any time during the course of play.
Now, for the best part of the experiment, throw a hockey puck to your local Walmart Greeter and then take them out (cleanly) with a body check.
Let me know how that works out. Get video if you can.
Point is, certain things in hockey are managed outside of the rules of regular society as in many other sports. The police have no reason to be involved as the league are responsible for their players, the players willingly participate in the sport with the inherint risks, and the leagues have the responsiblity of punishing their players for infractions. |
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Posted - 01/21/2010 : 01:20:27
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| This was way worse than the Liambis hit!!! Anyone who can't see that must be blind. The intentional blow to the head is a viscious attack. This kid needs to receive more than what Liambis got, however since he is a high draft pick I believe he will get the rest of the year and be in the NHL next year having not missed very much hockey at all. |
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Thrasher
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Posted - 01/21/2010 : 06:57:55
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Oh, to touch on the Police being involved, I agree that they don't have a place in things within hockey unless it's something not defined within the game nor something has never occured before. Even at that point, there are limitations. If a hockey player pulls a knife on someone, ya, call the cops. But if the cops got involved with every illegal play, it would end the game as we know it.
As part of the rules of the game, certain things are ruled outside of regular laws.
Fair enough. Just wondering if you think cops should have been involved in the Bertuzzi incident? That had nothing to do with the game. He attacked someone and nearly killed him. When can we draw the line? No, I don't want the cops involved in every incident. But certain ones i believe need to be looked at. Bertuzzi and Mcsorley are the types I think need to be passed from league to proper authorities. Perhaps they have no say in this particular case, but they do need a place in sports somewhat, and somehow they have been left out. I'm sick of watching these kinds of plays over and over and nothing gets done about them. Hockey is the greatest sport on earth, but at this rate, no one will be playing in a couple years because they all have brain damage. (Don't take that too seriously).
I Promise I didn't give her the STD, I'm not a sharing person. |
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Guest9273
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Posted - 01/23/2010 : 09:44:08
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Originally posted by Guest2789
This punk is an embarassment to Canadian hockey. Why we didn't win a gold..because of goons like this kid on the team.
LOL .. Yes we didn't win because he throws an elbow weeks later. That goon was picked as captain, and you probably loved the guy a few weeks ago. Now you're just jumping on the hate bandwagon. |
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Patrice Cormier Ejected From QMJL Game 
