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| foolpittier |
Posted - 12/04/2010 : 02:46:55
is it just me or does malkin look lost, lazy and just going though the motions, the pen's dont really need him?
what do you think they could get and where woulnd they ship him?
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| MyTeamRules |
Posted - 01/01/2011 : 18:21:47
Malkin is back on track, he even just scored while I was typing this 
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| Guest3320 |
Posted - 12/13/2010 : 11:12:47
All of these trades sound ridiculous. Malkin is an elite player. Top 5 in the league. He's been battling a knee injury. he'll turn it up towards the end of the year and in the playoffs. |
| Leafs81 |
Posted - 12/11/2010 : 20:12:58
quote:
Originally posted by Guest5958
I don't agree that parise is overshadowed by kovi at all. They are two very comparable players, and if i had to choose one I would choose parise because he is a far better all-around player than Kovi, who, while one of the elite snipers in the game, has shown his inability to be a team player.
I doubt very seriously that NJ would ever trade parise,
How about kovi for malkin ;)
yeah maybe overshadowed wasn't the right choice for wording what I wanted to say. I also think Parise is a more complete player and a better player, but it seems since Kovalchuk got there he's not performing at the same level, I think having another star player that hogs the ice time kind of took away some responsabilities to Parise and he's not performing the same. |
| Leafs81 |
Posted - 12/11/2010 : 20:05:08
quote:
Originally posted by Alex116
quote:
Originally posted by Leafs81
They are both young, already been or potentially top five in their respected positions, they both struggle, they are both injured, and they are both overshadowed by another great player who plays at the same position on their team.
I mean if New Jersey gives Parise, Zubrus and a draft pick\prospect to compensate the salary dump of Zubrus. This way Pittsburgh get a first line center to play with Crosby, a third line player to give depth once Staal goes on the second line and something else to compensate.
New Jersey gets a first line center to play with Kovalchuk.
But New Jersey's salary cap issues are a big issue here. Maybe they can get rid of Rolston, Arnot or Elias somehow.
Leafs81....a couple things, first, i agree with the guest who said Parise is not overshadowed by Kovalchuk, if that was your reference? Certainly not yet anyway. Until Kovalchuk actually performs in NJ, he's second fiddle to Parise. Second, Parise isn't a center, nor is Crosby a winger? Did you mean that Pittsburgh would get a top tier winger to play with Crosby???
Other than that, it's a very interesting trade and aside from the usual "it's unlikely" you'll hear, it's not really far fetched by any means? I wonder if Malkin could spark Kovalchuk, cuz he didn't seem to find any chemistry with Parise in the short time they played together?
Yeah thanks Alex I meant LW... so there it's now fixed |
| foolpittier |
Posted - 12/11/2010 : 15:51:19
quote:
Originally posted by Mario 66
Foolpittier I honestly think you are completely wrong in regards to this trade. If anything Patsy could say that he is giving up to much in the trade that I am requesting.
While i don't think pitt is getting enough in what he is offering as Patcharetty is a great young prospect but their is no guarntee his success in the AHL will turn over in the NHL and their is never a guarntee that a draft pick will pan out into a quality player.
In my trade
Pitts giving up
Malkin who is a 100+ point superstar who is also only 24 but who has also had some lower body injuries the last couple of yrs which could lead to long turn woes (No guarntee)
And with Lovejoy I would be giving up a 5 or 6 defenseman at best & Letestu is a 3rd line player at best
Never said i was giving up both Lovejoy & Letestu
In return
Cammelari is a 26 - 28yr old star who would easily score 35 - 50 goals a yr while playing with crosby while amassing a total between 80 - 100 points per season. Not to mention Halak & him single handedly eliminated the pens last yr so he is a proven playoff performer.
Subban a 21 yr old stud, there is no doubt this guy is going to be a dynamic player for yrs to come and he has the edge and tenacity that you need in any star player. (The names Richards & Crosby come to mind - Neither guy enjoyed playing him and he is only 21)
Lastly Desjardins is a quality goalie in the minors who has proven a couple times in montreal that he could be a decent back up goalie, not to mention he is a french candian like Fleury and around the same age so all the while building camaraderie he would also force fleury to bust his ass to keep his job thus taking fleury to another level
So, I am losing 1 superstar & a 3rd line fwd or d to get back to first line stars and a quality goalie.
I fail to see your logic on how i am losing alot here. If anything I just gave the best player in the world a sniper with one of the fastest releases in the league while adding more depth to my team all the while cutting about 3 or 4 million in cap room that i could you on another quality winger or centre to join the team.
I'm fascinated to learn how you would see otherwise
Lemieux owns Gretzky
simmer down bud, i was just saying " I " thought that the pen's would only have to ship malkin and get bacisally get whatever thet wanted in return |
| Guest6269 |
Posted - 12/11/2010 : 15:34:14
8484: I wouldn't be impressed with that kind of return for Malkin at all. Besides, the future is now for Pittsburgh: they are a serious contender this year, and this trade weakens their chances. If they are going to trade a guy who, even in his slumps, is easily one of the top twenty forwards in the league, they are going to get some players that can play at a reasonably high level NOW. A plethora of prospects is not the answer to that (and a d-man on the decline does not tip the scales in the least). |
| Guest8484 |
Posted - 12/11/2010 : 15:21:21
If Pittsburgh wanted to take the long view on a trade they could ship Malkin, Simon Despres and a 3rd round pick to to Columbus for Filatov, Maxim Mayorov, Mike Commodore and 2nd round picks in the next 2 drafts.
CBJ has too many top6 wingers and no top line centers. That fact is hurting a lot of players in their system, the two young Russian wingers in this trade are world class prospects who will never get a chance to adequately develop on this team. Mike Commodore is not a great defender, but when not asked to do too much other than his "job" he can really deliver. He is a Hal Gill type player.
Malkin's virtues are obvious and he is most attractive to a team with some marquee wingers but no adequate centers. Derrick Brassard and Ryan Johansen may be top line centers by the time Malkin's contract expires, but they aren't yet. Simon Despres is very young, very big and is a very slick skater. He is also playing big, responsible minutes in a winning system in junior but won't be NHL ready for 2-3 more years. |
| Pasty7 |
Posted - 12/11/2010 : 14:16:06
Dejardins has been traded already to Tampa bay for Kari Romo before the season started.
I would not give up Subban , you said yourself Cammalleri is a lock to be a point per game player playing along side the likes of Crosby. The only reason he is not on that pace now is because his linemates are Gomez and Moen, he simple can't do everything himself. Again he is 28 years old entering his prime and under a fairly decent contract for another 4 years, His value is not that much lower than Malkin at this point, so their is no way i give up another roster player in this deal, i would try and pedal Paciorrty who has loads of upside, or another none roster player,,
"I led the league in "Go get 'em next time." - Bob Uecker
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| Mario 66 |
Posted - 12/11/2010 : 12:00:42
O Doublechamp i agree with you 100% but where kind of throwing names out their for s***s and giggles. Tell me if you think pitt is losing or winning that trade though as i believe we are gaining a substantial amount of talent while freeing up cap room while foolpittier thinks pitt would be giving too much up.
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| Mario 66 |
Posted - 12/11/2010 : 11:55:15
Foolpittier I honestly think you are completely wrong in regards to this trade. If anything Patsy could say that he is giving up to much in the trade that I am requesting.
While i don't think pitt is getting enough in what he is offering as Patcharetty is a great young prospect but their is no guarntee his success in the AHL will turn over in the NHL and their is never a guarntee that a draft pick will pan out into a quality player.
In my trade
Pitts giving up
Malkin who is a 100+ point superstar who is also only 24 but who has also had some lower body injuries the last couple of yrs which could lead to long turn woes (No guarntee)
And with Lovejoy I would be giving up a 5 or 6 defenseman at best & Letestu is a 3rd line player at best
Never said i was giving up both Lovejoy & Letestu
In return
Cammelari is a 26 - 28yr old star who would easily score 35 - 50 goals a yr while playing with crosby while amassing a total between 80 - 100 points per season. Not to mention Halak & him single handedly eliminated the pens last yr so he is a proven playoff performer.
Subban a 21 yr old stud, there is no doubt this guy is going to be a dynamic player for yrs to come and he has the edge and tenacity that you need in any star player. (The names Richards & Crosby come to mind - Neither guy enjoyed playing him and he is only 21)
Lastly Desjardins is a quality goalie in the minors who has proven a couple times in montreal that he could be a decent back up goalie, not to mention he is a french candian like Fleury and around the same age so all the while building camaraderie he would also force fleury to bust his ass to keep his job thus taking fleury to another level
So, I am losing 1 superstar & a 3rd line fwd or d to get back to first line stars and a quality goalie.
I fail to see your logic on how i am losing alot here. If anything I just gave the best player in the world a sniper with one of the fastest releases in the league while adding more depth to my team all the while cutting about 3 or 4 million in cap room that i could you on another quality winger or centre to join the team.
I'm fascinated to learn how you would see otherwise
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| doublechamp7 |
Posted - 12/11/2010 : 11:42:15
Mario, i'm sorry, but there is no way Cammeleri and Subban are going anywhere, Subban is the face of Monterals defensive future, i don't think Malkin will be traded at all
IM A CHAMPION! |
| foolpittier |
Posted - 12/11/2010 : 08:08:14
quote:
Originally posted by Mario 66
Patsy i like your trade proposition with the habs. However, with Patcharity tearing up the AHL i see no desire for the habs to move him. So for the sake of entertainment lets say we are the GM's of our teams
Would you take Malkin & Ben Lovejoy or Letestu
For
Cammaleri
Subban ( Due to whatever issues he is having with coaching)
Desjardins (Goalie in the minors)
No draft picks required as i am getting a 21yr old & 24yr old back in return who are more then nhl ready plus opening up a crap load of cap space.
Subban is the cornerstone to this deal as the Pens would be getting a player who i still believe will dominate doughty and myers for yrs to come and maybe a couple of norris trophy's along the way.
Lemieux owns Gretzky
mario your giving up to much, and you dont need a young goalie |
| Mario 66 |
Posted - 12/11/2010 : 06:37:25
Patsy i like your trade proposition with the habs. However, with Patcharity tearing up the AHL i see no desire for the habs to move him. So for the sake of entertainment lets say we are the GM's of our teams
Would you take Malkin & Ben Lovejoy or Letestu
For
Cammaleri
Subban ( Due to whatever issues he is having with coaching)
Desjardins (Goalie in the minors)
No draft picks required as i am getting a 21yr old & 24yr old back in return who are more then nhl ready plus opening up a crap load of cap space.
Subban is the cornerstone to this deal as the Pens would be getting a player who i still believe will dominate doughty and myers for yrs to come and maybe a couple of norris trophy's along the way.
Lemieux owns Gretzky |
| Alex116 |
Posted - 12/10/2010 : 15:12:32
quote:
Originally posted by Leafs81
They are both young, already been or potentially top five in their respected positions, they both struggle, they are both injured, and they are both overshadowed by another great player who plays at the same position on their team.
I mean if New Jersey gives Parise, Zubrus and a draft pick\prospect to compensate the salary dump of Zubrus. This way Pittsburgh get a first line center to play with Crosby, a third line player to give depth once Staal goes on the second line and something else to compensate.
New Jersey gets a first line center to play with Kovalchuk.
But New Jersey's salary cap issues are a big issue here. Maybe they can get rid of Rolston, Arnot or Elias somehow.
Leafs81....a couple things, first, i agree with the guest who said Parise is not overshadowed by Kovalchuk, if that was your reference? Certainly not yet anyway. Until Kovalchuk actually performs in NJ, he's second fiddle to Parise. Second, Parise isn't a center, nor is Crosby a winger? Did you mean that Pittsburgh would get a top tier winger to play with Crosby???
Other than that, it's a very interesting trade and aside from the usual "it's unlikely" you'll hear, it's not really far fetched by any means? I wonder if Malkin could spark Kovalchuk, cuz he didn't seem to find any chemistry with Parise in the short time they played together? |
| nuxfan |
Posted - 12/10/2010 : 13:55:54
In all likelihood NJ is going to lose Parise next year - they've sort of made their bed with Kovy, and would be extremely hard pressed to afford Parise @ 7-8M next year (which is almost certainly where he will end up salary-wise)
Its an interesting proposition Leafs81, and would certainly fill needs on both sides. The problem would be Zubrus though - he has 3 years left on his contract @ 3.4M per year, which would limit how much PIT could pay Parise next year. |
| Guest5958 |
Posted - 12/10/2010 : 13:27:05
I don't agree that parise is overshadowed by kovi at all. They are two very comparable players, and if i had to choose one I would choose parise because he is a far better all-around player than Kovi, who, while one of the elite snipers in the game, has shown his inability to be a team player.
I doubt very seriously that NJ would ever trade parise,
How about kovi for malkin ;) |
| Leafs81 |
Posted - 12/10/2010 : 12:50:25
Ok this trade would probably not happen for many reasons. Cap space, injuries and division rivalry, but lets say later in the season and swapping some salary so it would fit I could see Parise going to Pittsburgh for Malkin.
They are both young, already been or potentially top five in their respected positions, they both struggle, they are both injured, and they are both overshadowed by another great player who plays at the same position on their team.
I mean if New Jersey gives Parise, Zubrus and a draft pick\prospect to compensate the salary dump of Zubrus. This way Pittsburgh get a first line LW to play with Crosby, a third line player to give depth once Staal goes on the second line and something else to compensate.
New Jersey gets a first line center to play with Kovalchuk.
But New Jersey's salary cap issues are a big issue here. Maybe they can get rid of Rolston, Arnot or Elias somehow. |
| Pasty7 |
Posted - 12/09/2010 : 17:58:42
quote:
Originally posted by Alex116
Pasty....Not bad, but i think the Habs would have to add a little more. Either a prospect, or another pick maybe? If for no other reason than the fact that at this point, the Habs first rounder doesn't look to be very high, prob in the 15-25 range?
yeah i was kinda thinking that aswell but Paciorrtty is the second leading scorer in the AHL right now 22 years old and has all the tools so i think his value should even it out and don't undervalue Cammalleri who has twice been a ppg player
i don't think the habs should make this trade but this is a good example of the kind of package i think a team would have to offer to get Malkin from the Pens, you would need an established scoring winger the kind that guarantees 30 goals and can push to 40 +, a 1rst rounder and a A list prospect ,, in my opinion this is the kind of package the pens could get for Malkin
"I led the league in "Go get 'em next time." - Bob Uecker
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| Utemin |
Posted - 12/09/2010 : 16:48:41
quote:
Originally posted by Pasty7
Now i Maintain i would not make this trade being a habs fan why? Because Cammalleri is my Favorite hab and i have never really liked Malkin, but i do believe the ideal linemate for Crosby is Mike Cammalleri both extremly hard workers and Cammalleri has the perfect explosive shot to play alongside Crosby, so heres a plausible move...
to Montreal
Malkin
(some sort of throw in roster player)
To Pittsburg
Cammalleri
2011 1rst rounder
Max Paciorrty
"I led the league in "Go get 'em next time." - Bob Uecker
I don't think the Habs need another center, and with them winning already this year I don't see them making a big trade.
Don't hate me because i'm Beautiful |
| Alex116 |
Posted - 12/09/2010 : 16:24:16
Pasty....Not bad, but i think the Habs would have to add a little more. Either a prospect, or another pick maybe? If for no other reason than the fact that at this point, the Habs first rounder doesn't look to be very high, prob in the 15-25 range? |
| Pasty7 |
Posted - 12/09/2010 : 15:07:17
Now i Maintain i would not make this trade being a habs fan why? Because Cammalleri is my Favorite hab and i have never really liked Malkin, but i do believe the ideal linemate for Crosby is Mike Cammalleri both extremly hard workers and Cammalleri has the perfect explosive shot to play alongside Crosby, so heres a plausible move...
to Montreal
Malkin
(some sort of throw in roster player)
To Pittsburg
Cammalleri
2011 1rst rounder
Max Paciorrty
"I led the league in "Go get 'em next time." - Bob Uecker
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| Mario 66 |
Posted - 12/09/2010 : 10:52:27
LOL Good one Foolpittier however, I believe Hossa would be assassinated if he game back to Pitt & all the cabbies would quit if Kane came to town. |
| foolpittier |
Posted - 12/08/2010 : 17:11:33
he could go to the blackhawks for kane and hossa and their knees |
| nuxfan |
Posted - 12/08/2010 : 16:14:20
Nah, there are plenty of quality wingers out there that would fit the bill. I think someone like Malkin would be traded for a package, so there would be less chance of a superstud coming back the other way. If I were PIT, I would be looking to acquire 1 young first line winger (a James Neal or Bobby Ryan-style forward comes to mind), one 2nd/3rd line winger, and a solid prospect or two (forward or defense) for Malkin. As others have said, Malkin is over a PPG for his career and is young enough that another team can build around him for the next 10 years, so its not like he'd bring nothing back in return.
The trick would be for PIT to find a team that had a lot of depth at the wing, but who needed a first line centre, and had the room to take on a 8.5M contract.
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| Mario 66 |
Posted - 12/08/2010 : 14:24:43
Good point Nuxfan! No argument here.
Question though:
Do you find though that the young group of wingers who are comparable to malkin's talents are more me first players (bigger then the team) who could be detrimental to team first oriented teams like Pitts,Detroit & NJ?
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| Alex116 |
Posted - 12/08/2010 : 13:46:06
nuxfan.....WELL SAID! Imagine the return they could get for Malkin? Possibly a stud winger for Crosby, another for Staal on the second line? Maybe even a steady dman and/or draft pick for the future? No way do they need to give up Malkin for another center! Heck, they may as well bump Staal up to the 2nd line and put Malkin on the 3rd if you're thinking that way!! |
| nuxfan |
Posted - 12/08/2010 : 13:04:34
Mario - PIT already has an awesome defensive centre - Jordan Staal. A 1-2 centre lineup of Crosby and Staal would be fantastic for them, and moving Malkin would be as much about getting wingers for Crosby as it would for properly utilizing Staal. Having him on the 3rd line is a waste, he's a second line centre anywhere else in the league.
Crosby needs someone better than he has. Granted, he's on a tear right now, but that will not last forever. If you think he's great now, how great would he be with some actual quality wingers to pass to/receive from? Not to mention possibly building a solid second line.
If you trade Malkin for 2 good wingers (at least), and move Staal up to 2nd line centre, PIT would improve themselves long term. |
| Mario 66 |
Posted - 12/08/2010 : 12:07:52
Nuxfan that's where i believe your wrong!
(For sake of argument as we know Malkin is going knowhere soon)
The only way you trade a player like malkin is for a centreman who brings more depth then malkin. Maybe not the offensive power but someone you can count on defensively as this has been the only liability for pittsburgh in yrs prior (Eric Staal, Richards, Getzlaf, Toews, Datsuyk etc). Come playoff time you need players that can play the same style as every player on detroit who are relentless puck chasing dynamo's.
They're is no need to get prospects for him as he himself is only 24 and the vast majority of the pens key players are 28 or younger.
I'm guessing your thought is to bring in a winger to give crosby a hand (correct me if I am incorrect) however, he is continuously proving that he does not need stars around him to terrorize the league |
| nuxfan |
Posted - 12/07/2010 : 21:54:40
guest - it depends on the thread and the ideas. truth is there are so many options for PIT should they elect to trade Malkin that the possibilities are endless. However, what WON'T happen is Malkin for another high priced first-line centre. |
| Yewcandoit |
Posted - 12/07/2010 : 16:16:23
Malkin aint going anywhere. He will be a key factor in the playoffs. While the opposition is focused on shutting down Crosby, Malkin will light it up. |
| Guest0277 |
Posted - 12/07/2010 : 16:02:45
No matter how you look at it, Malkin is their best chance at winning. He's better than anyone else out there that is moveable. And I gotta agree with Utemin as well, he still gets you a point per game even when he sucks. As for you Nuxfan... do you actually put in your own ideas or just cut down everyone elses? Come to think of it, you must be a GM in the NHL because you know everything about every team and all the players. |
| foolpittier |
Posted - 12/07/2010 : 14:08:06
i wouldnt trade him either, but i dont belivie that the pens really need him and his monster contract. |
| Guest8416 |
Posted - 12/07/2010 : 10:06:40
--Now that I think about it, Penguins will not trade Malkin this year (around 95% chance). Simply because of A) the cap is raising- so they can afford malkin. B) the penguins have won 10 straight- so they don't need to make any sudden trades. C) Malkin has great excuses for not playing to his potential- ashem and cooke, and injury. D) At the trade dead line, who else would help the drive to cup better the Malkin? He already has the experince and skill.
But anyway, as what people said before, this is just to see what he is worth. I don't think anyone would help the penguins more then himself ATM. I can't say waht would be a reasonable trade |
| Guest5655 |
Posted - 12/07/2010 : 08:12:40
Yes a thread on Malkin, how he's playing, and what his trade value is to certain teams. One of the (I see it as a problem) issues is that you have two superstars on one team and Malkin will always be in Crosby's shadow. How much value would a Malkin have for a team in L.A., SJ, Anaheim? Those teams already have stars - Kopitar, Thornton and Getslaf, but how about Pheonix, Florida and Nashville? Do these teams have some young talent they could trade away in order to bring in a superstar to revive interest in struggling markets? |
| ToXXiK1 |
Posted - 12/07/2010 : 07:02:10
This is a thread on Malkin. |
| Guest4227 |
Posted - 12/07/2010 : 05:33:55
Mallon to the rangers for stall a winger and draft picks and the sign parise |
| irvine |
Posted - 12/06/2010 : 19:29:45
Yeah, I'm with Utemin here.
I was also going to say, it's tough to call a player inconsitant when they have consistently produced over a point-per-game, in all 5 NHL seasons to date.
Perhaps he has a few injury issues happening, but. His production has been solid.
Also, I don't see Malkin going any where. Current injuries and slump or not.
The Penguins are winning, even with his injury. Why move a player who will produce you a point-per-game?
Crosby is handling the load, single handily pretty much. Now, when Malkin regains his play, things will look like the team that won the Cup and made the finals, two years running. Not to mention, Jordan Staal (The other LEGIT forward), is injured. Crosby is truly leading this team.
I guess what I mean is, why trade a point-per-game player, when your team is winning as is?
Irvine/prez. |
| Utemin |
Posted - 12/06/2010 : 18:19:18
So Malkin is inconsistant? I didn't relize that finishing with over 1 point per game every year makes you inconsistent...
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| JOSHUACANADA |
Posted - 12/06/2010 : 16:55:28
Cant see the Penner Eberle deal happening. I dont think Edmonton has any intention of trading the future now for anything less than a franchise goalie for the future. The forward group is now well past the rebuild mode and on there way to a much improved season. How does adding Malkin (Mr inconsistant) for 2 of there most consistant players help this team?
Like the idea of a trade to Calgary although the current management wouldn't help Malkin's play and the goal is to find a center for Iginla to play with not to replace him. More like a Bourque at $4Million and Regher at $4million type deal. Both are of equal pay and Calgary has a surplus of defenseman. If Pittsburg could afford $6 million a year that Bouwmeester cost, its hard to believe they let Gonchar go at $5.5 million |
| Guest4967 |
Posted - 12/06/2010 : 16:21:36
the best ones thus far would be
to dallas for richardsand james or benn
to carolina for staal and hell throw in skinner
to edmonton for eberle and penner... plus alittle more
now how bout to ny islanders for coumeau, grabnier and nino?
or buffalo for ennis, myers and vanik?
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