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| Guest4131 |
Posted - 01/26/2011 : 06:15:44
With the trade deadline approching, there is alot of talk going on already on rumors and potential trades, signings, etc.
Do the Canucks finally have what it takes or do they need to add a couple more key role players?
What do the Caps have to do in order to make sure last year doesn't repeast itself?
Will Tampa's offense be sufficient, or will they need to add some core to their D's?
With the flyers at the top of their game, should they add a Goaltender or stick with the kid!?
Who is buying, who is selling??
So many questions with so little answers...
List you comments below, and let the Trade Deadline begin :) |
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| Utemin |
Posted - 02/28/2011 : 18:56:10
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Originally posted by ryan93
The Preds weren't going to be able to get Richards with Lindback & a 2nd rounder. Dallas wouldn't be looking for a goaltender in return, and it would take a lot more than that package to pry him from Dallas. Any package surely would include a 1st rounder, and the Stars are in the playoff race so they were looking for young roster players in return. And of course he had a NTC, and he certainly wasn't waiving it for Nashville.
You are most likely right on that. . But however you must feel bad for Weber, stuck on a 2 man team, maybe 4 depending on how open you are to a hockey player being a star. (Oh wait Shane is on the team they are fine ) Weber is likely top 3 defeneman still playing in the NHL. (*COUGH COUGH*)
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| sahis34 |
Posted - 02/28/2011 : 16:33:27
nine pages is just to much, no way I'm reading it all |
| ryan93 |
Posted - 02/28/2011 : 16:10:31
He's an upcoming UFA who's only owed $181,000 more this season, so he's a decent depth player for the Flames playoff drive. I'm not sure how much Modin has left in the tank though. |
| Guest4803 |
Posted - 02/28/2011 : 15:35:14
Are the flames trying to open up a retirement home? Modin is and older, less talented Jokinen...if thats possible |
| ryan93 |
Posted - 02/28/2011 : 15:22:13
The Preds weren't going to be able to get Richards with Lindback & a 2nd rounder. Dallas wouldn't be looking for a goaltender in return, and it would take a lot more than that package to pry him from Dallas. Any package surely would include a 1st rounder, and the Stars are in the playoff race so they were looking for young roster players in return. And of course he had a NTC, and he certainly wasn't waiving it for Nashville. |
| Utemin |
Posted - 02/28/2011 : 14:27:02
I was thinking that Nashville should have tried to recieve a forward. They have Weber, who is the new and improved Niedermayer a leginamate 1st line forward could = the cup!
with 8.4 million cap space,if the got Richards and Mac Arthur they would have a cup winning team!
1st line
Mac Arthur, Richards, Honqivst
Weber, Suter
Rinne
For Richards
Lindback
second round pick
minors player
For Mac Arthur
Franson
Dumont
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| JonPolley |
Posted - 02/28/2011 : 11:28:28
Los Angeles Acquires
F-Dustin Penner
Edmonton Acquires
D-Colten Teubert
1st-Round Pick (2011)
Conditional Pick (2012 |
| nuxfan |
Posted - 02/28/2011 : 10:51:49
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But for a contender . . . he'd be a great rental, I think. Salary-wise, very cheap for how he is playing . . . but Burke would not let him go without a first rounder coming back at the very least, if not a solid prospect with picks.
He would be a great rental - but that is a steep price to pay for a pending UFA who has had one good season so far. I can't see anyone paying that much for MacArthur honestly.
So, what will i take for the Leafs to resign him? I'm guessing 3yr/9M at least, maybe 4/14 like Giroux got. |
| n/a |
Posted - 02/28/2011 : 10:45:13
I think MacArthur always had the POTENTIAL to be a top 6 guy, but just never blossomed into that guy. He was on the Canadian junior national team in 2005 that won a gold medal, and is still relatively young.
I look at MacArthur as a bit of a late bloomer, and although he has gotten top line minutes here in Toronto, he has earned every second of them. I can tell you for sure that management did not expect him to be a top line guy - maybe a second liner at best.
But for a contender . . . he'd be a great rental, I think. Salary-wise, very cheap for how he is playing . . . but Burke would not let him go without a first rounder coming back at the very least, if not a solid prospect with picks.
He's been the best abd biggest surprise for the Leafs (with apologies to Grabo and Reimer), and the best compliment I can give him is that I'd be very sad to see him go.
"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug |
| ryan93 |
Posted - 02/28/2011 : 09:25:07
I heard that earlier too...but according to the PR Brad just sent out, he hasn't waived his NTC for any team, and no offers have been presented to him as of yet. |
| nuxfan |
Posted - 02/28/2011 : 09:17:19
Apparently Richards willing to waive NTC for NYR only. DAL still wants to sign him |
| nuxfan |
Posted - 02/28/2011 : 09:16:16
I think MacArthur has always been a solid 2nd/3rd line forward, but definitely found himself with first line points and first line minutes in TOR this year. Could be a flash-in-the-pan, could be a breakout year.
These sorts of players must be the toughest ones to sign - they're coming of a pretty big year, and you have to make some sort of decision. The player is trying to cash in, the team wants to be sure they're getting the real deal, and don't want to pull a Horcoff (sorry Beans  ).
I would love to know a) what MacArthur is looking for and b) what TOR is offering. |
| Alex116 |
Posted - 02/28/2011 : 08:41:35
Slozo, that def looks to be the case. Pretty sure Burke would like to hang onto him. Tell me something....what did you know about him before he came to Toronto? The reason i ask is because i knew little of him and just assumed he was a 3rd/4th line grinder. Did he suddenly find some skill? Was it just a matter of being given a chance and some ice time? Has he simply "clicked" with his linemates? Really, just where did this little mini breakout season come from because from everything i see, it was unpredicted. |
| n/a |
Posted - 02/28/2011 : 08:34:03
Brian Burke (he's the GM of the Leafs, might have heard of him ) reported that he doesn't see MacArthur getting re-signed easily, but that it may not mean that he gets moved.
Myself, I am sorry to hear that . . . I have really liked MacArthur on Toronto, and he has been a huge surprise for us. Like his grit, he has talent, and I like his tenacity.
There would be a lot of contenders out there who might like a player like that, to add to a deep lineup on the second or third line. I am guessing that Burke is looking for someone to overpay if he really feels he won't re-sign.
"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug |
| Utemin |
Posted - 02/27/2011 : 16:54:52
Hodgson, Tambellini, Rypien, Bolduc, Glass, Volpatti. All Canucks 4th liners. Sadly we are having issues with a few...
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| nuxfan |
Posted - 02/26/2011 : 23:26:30
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Interesting, wasn't it Madden who was pictured with Versteeg and Kane in the cab here in Van with the young ladies? Wonder if that's what it stems from
According to the Sun, that is exactly what it stems from. |
| Alex116 |
Posted - 02/26/2011 : 17:10:44
Interesting, wasn't it Madden who was pictured with Versteeg and Kane in the cab here in Van with the young ladies? Wonder if that's what it stems from. Maybe hanging with a bunch of young dudes in Chi didn't do him any good?
Funny, i always thought Niedermayer was a C? Guess it was Pahlsson that centered that very effective line in the Ana run? Wasn't it Nieds / Pahlsson / Moen? Don't suppose Pahlsson is available?
I don't know enough about Reasoner's game to judge really but as i said before, he doesn't have the experience i'd like to see them pick up and a 2nd rounder is too steep for sure! |
| nuxfan |
Posted - 02/26/2011 : 14:34:15
The Vancouver Sun had a list of "used fourth liners" that might be on the Canucks radar:
- Reasoner
- Niedermayer
- Chris Neil
- Cody McLeod
- Cody McCormick
Reasoner seems the best fit in terms of being a centre and good production, but apparently the asking price from FLA is a second round pick - no thanks.
Neidermayer is a winger
Neil is a winger, and has 2M/year for 2 years left on a contract, which puts us over the cap.
McLeod is a winger, has struggled offensively this year, but is tough
McCormick might be a good fit, but don't know if BUF is buying or selling.
We'll see what happens. The article went on to talk about Madden, but apparently the Canucks are concerned about his "standards and conduct off the ice", and therefore chemistry. The last thing we need now is poison in the dressing room from a new addition that doesn't fit with the team. |
| Alex116 |
Posted - 02/26/2011 : 03:19:36
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Originally posted by Beans15
Admittedly, I am trying to stir the pot a bit. You guys are tougher nuts to crack than those guys from out east!!
I did read a rumor today that had Marty Reasoner as a target for that 4th line spot. If Vancouver moves a nothing asset (future considerations/7th round draft pick) for a player like Madden, Reasoner, Neidermayer, than it would make sense. The whole thing is more than a 4th line centre. It is a 'what happens if an injury occurs' kind of player that can step up into the 3rd line if needed.
Beans, i'll take that (in bold) as a compliment  .
As for Reasoner, i too heard the talk / rumour about him being a possibility. I don't like it as much as Madden, Neidermayer and others though. While he brings a little grit, energy, etc to the table, i don't like the fact that he has very little playoff experience. He's played just 23 NHL playoff games. Not the kind of guy i'd like to see the Canucks pursue. Having said that, he's yet to play on a solid contender and maybe this would inspire him?
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| nuxfan |
Posted - 02/25/2011 : 20:10:12
oh, we have lots of guys capable of playing 4th line minutes for sure - any player should be capable of playing 5-8 minutes a game on a tough, energy-focused line. However - not every player thrives at it or is good in the situation.
If the Canucks cannot trade for someone natural in that role, they will be forced to go with someone from the farm, or internally. The key is finding a centre, not a winger.
- Glass could centre that line, as I said he's been taking faceoff lessons from one of the greats, and has centered that line in recent games. He's not a great centre though.
- Malhotra could step down and centre the 4th line, or even double shift as 3rd and 4th line centre. But the chemistry he has on the 3rd line is really good now, and the Canucks really don't want to unbalance those top 3 lines.
- Hodgson could do it in a pinch, but he's clearly not comfortable in that role. Beans, think about how Eberle would do as your 4th line centre on a regular basis...I know, not great.
Madden would make sense, I too heard Reasoner mentioned. Someone gritty, with size and tenacity, would be great.
Ryan, thanks for the laugh, Drury. Nothing like using your 4th line centre position as your highest cap hit on the team (highest by a million I think) |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 02/25/2011 : 19:14:47
My point is that if Vancouver can't find a single guy in their system to play 4th line minutes, how can they have anything better than that to move forward in the future.
Admittedly, I am trying to stir the pot a bit. You guys are tougher nuts to crack than those guys from out east!!
I did read a rumor today that had Marty Reasoner as a target for that 4th line spot. If Vancouver moves a nothing asset (future considerations/7th round draft pick) for a player like Madden, Reasoner, Neidermayer, than it would make sense. The whole thing is more than a 4th line centre. It is a 'what happens if an injury occurs' kind of player that can step up into the 3rd line if needed. |
| ryan93 |
Posted - 02/25/2011 : 17:51:01
On second thought, forget John Madden, i have the perfect guy for you. He brings veteran leadership, a Stanley Cup winning resume, great work ethic, excellent on faceoffs, good on the PK, and has a reputation of being a big game/cluth performer, everything you want in a 4th line center......Chris Drury Please. |
| Alex116 |
Posted - 02/25/2011 : 17:26:42
I see your point Beans, sort of anyway. As it currently stands, they have numerous options at the 4th line center spot. BUT, if they could pick up an experienced guy, why wouldn't they? A guy like Niedermayer or Madden is gonna cost very little but bring not just playoff experiance, but Stanley Cup Finals experience. Off the top of my head, the only guy with a ring on the Canucks would be Samuelsson who i think has just one?
Regardless of whether or not you and i agree that this is the right move for them, i can tell you this much (to your original statement), i'm not in the least worried about having "nothing in the tank for the future"!!! How that statement makes any sense is beyond me when we're discussing a 4th line center who are "a dime a dozen in the AHL"??? |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 02/25/2011 : 16:54:10
I think my fine Canuck bretheren are looking at things through Orca colored glasses. Any team in the NHL can and should be able to fill any 4th line spot with players from the farm. The Canucks have far more than enough leadership and veterens in their line-up that they should not be giving up assets for a 4th line player. It's absurd. 4th line players are a dime a dozen. The AHL is FULL of players like that.
Orca colored glasses might be as askew as blue and white colored glasses!! It appears that copper and blue glasses are the clearest out there. |
| Alex116 |
Posted - 02/25/2011 : 16:23:24
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Originally posted by nuxfan
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OK, fair enough. I think EVERYONE is available at the right price though... . Its tough to see FLA moving Weiss.
nux....i agree that it's strange to think they'd consider trading a guy who should be part of their rebuild expecially since they have him locked in for a few years at a reasonable salary! However, his name continues to come up. I'm guessing that Tallon will only deal him if there's a big overpayment involved! |
| nuxfan |
Posted - 02/25/2011 : 16:12:49
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nuxfan....Weiss's name has been thrown around quite a bit and from everything i've heard, he's available, at the right price. Tallon has said, pretty much everyone is available.
OK, fair enough. I think EVERYONE is available at the right price though... . Its tough to see FLA moving Weiss.
Yes, Madden would be the perfect kind of player for the 4th line role. |
| doublechamp7 |
Posted - 02/25/2011 : 15:05:57
John Madden would be a great addition for the canucks. He was perfect in the role of a 4th line centre for the Hawks last year and that is exactly what the Canucks want.
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| Alex116 |
Posted - 02/25/2011 : 15:03:37
quote:
Originally posted by ryan93
Alex...i heard rumors that John Madden might be available. Not sure if that's the case or not considering the Wild among the pack of teams tied at 70 points. I heard a couple of rumors that the Hawks might be interested in bringing him back.
He'd be a nice fit centering the Canucks 4th line. He'd bring a wealth of playoff experience (2 Cups with NJ, 1 Cup with CHI), and is only making $1.25 million this season, so with the season approx 75% over, he'd be a very affordable cap hit of just over $300,000. He's a UFA after this season.
Yup, that's a guy they might be interested in. Haven't seen him play much this year but he played a role in last year's run and at minimal minutes, he's the kind of experienced guy they'd likely covet! I'd have no problem with them getting him as long as it doesn't cost to much! |
| ryan93 |
Posted - 02/25/2011 : 14:57:26
Alex...i heard rumors that John Madden might be available. Not sure if that's the case or not considering the Wild among the pack of teams tied at 70 points. I heard a couple of rumors that the Hawks might be interested in bringing him back.
He'd be a nice fit centering the Canucks 4th line. He'd bring a wealth of playoff experience (2 Cups with NJ, 1 Cup with CHI), and is only making $1.25 million this season, so with the season approx 75% over, he'd be a very affordable cap hit of just over $300,000. He's a UFA after this season. |
| Alex116 |
Posted - 02/25/2011 : 09:34:28
nuxfan....Weiss's name has been thrown around quite a bit and from everything i've heard, he's available, at the right price. Tallon has said, pretty much everyone is available.
Beans...I'm not worried at all. The key here with the Canucks is that they WANT some veteran experience and without messing around with the other 3 lines that are "clicking", the 4th line is the best spot to aquire a guy with those characteristics. The Canucks have played about 7 different guys there, and yes, if they're only playing 6-8 mins a game it shouldn't be a big deal, but are they better off with a rookie (Hodgson) there, or a veteran who's "been there" (playoffs/cup) before (ala Niedermayer)? I believe that the worry here is if they go with Hodgson (or Desbiens or any of the others they've tried) and end up not playing them enough, it tires out the other 3 lines over a cup run. IF they go all the way or even to the conference finals, relying on 3 lines can be a worry. Having a guy (veteran) that they know they can trust might be easier. It's clear that it's a timing thing with this team as it approaches the playoffs. They obviously thought that they'd find their guy during the season (shown by the fact they gave multiple guys the chance there) but with injuries and some being ineffective, it might be wise for them to aquire someone at the deadline. Certainly won't be a blockbuster deal, but for me as a fan, i'm def not worried about our 4th line center looking to the future! |
| nuxfan |
Posted - 02/25/2011 : 09:29:28
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This might be a bit off topic, but does anyone else think it's a little scary that the Canucks have to trade for a 4th line centre?? Is there no one in their system they can trust to cover 5-8 minutes a game??
Seriously, if I am a fan of that team I am scared as that means there is nothing in the tank for the future.
All their eggs in one basket??? Scary
Our usual 4th line centre is Rypien, and he plays that position very well. Unfortunately, he doesn't look likely to come back.
I'm not worried about a team that hasn't developed any quality 4th line centres in their system. I recall in our last Rypien thread that you inferred they were a dime a dozen in the NHL - so why would the Canucks bother trying to fill their farm with those players? Trade for one when you need one, for a 4th round or worse pick.
They have been trying to get Glass to assume the role (he's been taking faceoff lessons from Malhotra), and that might work. As Alex said, they've tried Hodgson in that role, but he's not really suited to it. We'll see what MG does leading up to the deadline.
But seriously, I'm plenty happy that its all we need - its like having a race car and only needing a spark plug, as opposed to needing an engine, 3 tires, and a steering wheel. |
| doublechamp7 |
Posted - 02/25/2011 : 09:23:59
quote:
Originally posted by nuxfan
The only 2 players of significance that I can see FLA moving are McCabe and Vokoun - and only if they're sure that they're out of the playoff race.
I can definetly see them moving McCabe, maybe get a good draft pick or prospect or both?
Bring back the Jets! |
| nuxfan |
Posted - 02/25/2011 : 09:21:40
Why would FLA trade away Weiss? He's a very productive forward, under contract for the next 2 years at a reasonable cap hit. The reason that it would be a good trade for TOR is because Weiss is a pretty good player - FLA probably realizes that.
The only 2 players of significance that I can see FLA moving are McCabe and Vokoun - and only if they're sure that they're out of the playoff race. |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 02/25/2011 : 09:16:13
This might be a bit off topic, but does anyone else think it's a little scary that the Canucks have to trade for a 4th line centre?? Is there no one in their system they can trust to cover 5-8 minutes a game??
Seriously, if I am a fan of that team I am scared as that means there is nothing in the tank for the future.
All their eggs in one basket??? Scary |
| doublechamp7 |
Posted - 02/25/2011 : 09:10:40
Good point you made about Florida Alex, I thought, how about Cammaleri there? But as you said the asking price may be high for Florida.
Bring back the Jets! |
| Alex116 |
Posted - 02/25/2011 : 09:03:20
All the talk around here (Van) is about the Canucks really wanting to find a 4th line center they can rely on. Hodgson played under 5 mins the other night and only got 5:03 last night. He doesn't appear to be ready, or at least the coach doesn't appear to be ready to trust him?
Who's out there that the Canucks might be interested in? Has Rob Niedermayer got anything left in the tank? Would he be available? I'm thinking they'd love to have someone with some playoff experience and he certainly would fit the bill? Judging by the following article, he might be available and still have some gas left in him on the right team and in the right role? Remember, he does have BC roots....
http://www.examiner.com/buffalo-sabres-in-buffalo/in-defense-of-rob-niedermayer |
| Guest2712 |
Posted - 02/25/2011 : 08:28:28
maybe i'm smoking something over here, or perhaps it's because of what i saw last night..........but what 's wrong with Lebda filling in for Kaberle?
in theory he was signed this past summer because BB was expecting to have traded Kaberle before his NTC kicked in again. so now that Kabby's gone, why not use Lebda like you had originally planned?
i think his stats are a litle misguided this year because he never got to play on a regular basis. give him some playing time and see what he can do. |
| Alex116 |
Posted - 02/25/2011 : 08:26:11
Very good point about Florida being very quiet so far for a team expected to make some moves. Is the asking price too high for the Fla guys who're up for grabs?
Maybe they'll be the team to make deadline day interesting after all? |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 02/25/2011 : 07:50:23
I think everyone in Leaf Nation has something to cheer about right now and it's not the 4 pts out of the playoffs. Burke said one of the smartest things I have heard him say maybe ever when he said he is not going to fight for 8th place only to get smashed in the first round. His moves in the past few weeks have shown he is not chasing a pipedream for this year.
If MacArthur is moved it is because his agent and Burke disagreed with his value.
Weiss would be a good fit in TO's plans, but in all this movement of players in the past few weeks the Leafs defense is looking very thin. I like Liles and he would fill the gap made by Kaberle leaving. I think that puck moving defensemen is more important than the 2nd line forward. |
| n/a |
Posted - 02/25/2011 : 07:17:47
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Originally posted by ryan93
I like Weiss, but i certainly wouldn't give up a pair of 1st rounders & a 2nd rounder to get him!
So you think Toronto could pry Weiss from Florida with one first rounder and a second rounder perhaps? Even with a minor roster player thrown in, I'd say that would be a sweet deal for Toronto, actually . . . and yet, I am not so sure that Burke wants a guy like Weiss specifically - it was just musing. I think Burke wants a bigger guy, with more high-end potential (and who doesn't?).
McCabe is rumoured to be going to the Rangers, perhaps. Weiss though, I have no idea, and there hasn't been much talk about him at all . . .
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