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 Posted - 01/26/2011 : 06:15:44
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With the trade deadline approching, there is alot of talk going on already on rumors and potential trades, signings, etc.
Do the Canucks finally have what it takes or do they need to add a couple more key role players?
What do the Caps have to do in order to make sure last year doesn't repeast itself?
Will Tampa's offense be sufficient, or will they need to add some core to their D's?
With the flyers at the top of their game, should they add a Goaltender or stick with the kid!?
Who is buying, who is selling??
So many questions with so little answers...
List you comments below, and let the Trade Deadline begin :)
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Posted - 01/26/2011 : 06:37:31
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Great time to start this thread!
So, I am talking with my buddy at work who is a real Red Wings fan, I mean, he wears Red WIngs socks to work almost everyday if you get my drift. He also has connections to the hockey world, without going itno detail.
He tells me this morning that the Wings are getting Kaberle for the last two months of the season. He says he has heard from the grapevine that a deal is in the works, no word of what the Leafs would get back.
My argument to him was that unless Burke got something that would be considered an "overpayment", he won't do that deal. But who knows? I certainly don't, and even without having heard one little whisper about this possibility, it certainly is a possibility . . . after all, even though it is Toronto, not one person saw or heard about the Phaneuf deal coming.
I'd take an Abdelkader, or maybe a prospect like Tatar (after looking through Detroit's prospect roster, and remembering him from the preseason game I was at). Otherwise, I think it's a high 2nd rounder to another team in the playoffs.
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ToXXiK1
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Posted - 01/26/2011 : 06:44:15
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Slozo
I think it's time the Burke takes whatever he can get, he's not in any position to barter here. Kaberle can pull a Sundin and just walk off into the sunset and sign with whom ever he chooses. He's tried for 3 yrs now to get what he wants for Kabby, but, unless Kabby likes the team asking for his services it's a moot point. I also don't see how the Wings take him only for 2 months and give up a chunk of future? Wouldn't they want a committment to signing with them for the following season?
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Guest4131
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Posted - 01/26/2011 : 06:51:31
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With Lidstrom aging, it would make sense that Detroit would have some interest in a guy like Kaberle to help out. And Burke should get something for Kaberle while he still can!
I would love to see Tampa go far this year!! They need a solid D - Young Big Hedman won't hold ...i have no idea who they could go after though... can someone list the top Denfensmen that are possibly moving?
Are the B. Richards to Toronto rumors true??? I don;t see why Dallas would do that as they are in a decent spot right now in the WEST! |
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ryan93
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Posted - 01/26/2011 : 07:04:06
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Unless the Stars absolutely bomb the next month, then no way Brad Richards gets traded. Personally i think you'll see him sign a long term extension to stay in Dallas. The only way he gets traded is if he can't agree to terms with the Stars & they deal his rights at the draft for a pick. If he ever does go into July 1st unrestricted, i wouldn't be surprised to see him sign with the Rangers.
As for available defensemen...depending on where their teams are in the standings come Feb 28th, here's a few pending UFA's that could potentially be available...
Tomas Kaberle
Chris Phillips
Bryan McCabe
Ed Jovanoski
Craig Rivet
Eric Brewer
Steve Staios
As for non-UFA's...possibly Robyn Regehr. If Tampa wants a veteran d-man, they can take Wade Redden off the Rangers hands :) |
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ToXXiK1
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Posted - 01/26/2011 : 07:05:04
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Everything I've read points to Richards staying put as long as the Stars are in the playoffs. I'd like to see the Bruins make a pitch for 1 of at least 4 of those Dmen, but, the Chia pet's history at deadline is pretty dismall.
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Mario 66
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Posted - 01/26/2011 : 11:27:02
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Slozo mentioned Kaberle maybe going to Detroit. Helm or Abelkader would be great help for the leafs.
If that does not pan out what do you think of Kaberle to Wash for Semin? Both are scheduled to be UFA's washington could always use the help on D for a playoff run and Semin is going to want top dollar that i don't think is going to work in Wash long term plans. I know the leafs ideally need a centre but the leafs do have the cap space to sign the likes of semin and he would surely help in their goal scoring futility.
Obviously neither seem likely but who would of thought the devils of all teams would splurge so much on Kovalchuk a player so completely different then their normal prototype.
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Posted - 01/26/2011 : 13:12:32
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Further thinking onsellers...
What about Streit when he comes back, he's getting a bit older but is a fantastic offensive defenseman, should have had norris consideration a couple years back but being on NYI killed that. He'd likely be able to bring in a good haul for the Islanders too if a deal was made.
Joni Pikanen or Joe Corvo if the Hurricanes are out by the deadline. Last year of contracts, veteran offensive Dmen.
Tim Connolly from Buffalo could be a decent gamble. Also last year of his contract.
From Columbus you could see Huselius move (though he has this year and next left), Sammy Pahlsson (a great defensive forward at 2.65MM for this year and next)
How about Brad Boyes from St. Louis if they're out, would anyone be willing to give him a shot.
I think there are some interesting trades to be made, always interesting time as the deadline approaches.
I think Semin to the Leafs is a ridiculous idea though. Washington wants to win now, and they'd need Semin to do it, I think that means even if they risk losing him for nothing. |
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nuxfan
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Posted - 01/26/2011 : 13:13:14
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at this point, its still hard to figure out who is a buyer and who is a seller, apart for the obvious ones. Lots can change in the next little while.
Kaberle - I agree with Toxxik, Burke had better try to get something for him while he still has a shot - otherwise I see him pulling a Sundin. Kaberle will likely only agree to go to a contender, and DET could use him - Lidstrom and Rafalski are both getting long in the tooth, and Lidstrom is UFA next year.
I don't think Semin goes to TOR unless TOR is serious about trying to sign him.
Depending on when Salo comes back into the VAN lineup, the Canucks are likely to be selling someone before the trade deadline - just don't know who. Other than that, the only thing I could see the Canucks trying to add would be scoring depth - a solid 2/3 liner to help out. |
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Mario 66
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Posted - 01/26/2011 : 13:43:02
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I dont really see the Toronto - Wash deal going down either but both teams should be desperate to get something in return for these guys. We are talking a top 3 Dman on most teams in the league and arguably one of the best pure scorers in the league.
With or without Semin the Caps are not competing for the cup this yr and i've never seen the point in losing an elite player for absolutely nothing
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Beans15
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Posted - 01/26/2011 : 13:58:40
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Helm? Abelkader? Tatar???
Not a chance in hell Kenny Holland moves any of those guys for a player he does not know will be with the team long term.
Kaberle is a UFA rental. Nothing more. No one is going to give up a current quality players or prospect such as that for Kaberle. It's not like Kaberle is the only viable UFA defensemen for rent. There are guys like Jovonovski, McCabe, Pitkanen, Brewer, Hamrlik, Rivet, Wisnewski, Erhoff, White, Wallin, Gill to name a few. Not saying all of these guys are rentals, but the point is Kaberle is not the only guy on the block to make his so valuable that a blue chip prospect or a solid contributing young player will be traded.
We all know that the trade value in the NHL at deadline time is significantly reduced. Anyone remember the deal fo Huet a few year ago. He was a #1 goalie at the time and he fetched a 3rd rounder I believe?? Andrew Alberts was traded or a 3rd rounder last year. Jurcina went for a 6th rounder and a conditional pick. Corvo, possible the most sought after d-man last year went for Pothier, Osala, and a 2nd rounder.
I can see Kaberle moving, but it will be for a similar deal to Corvo last season or marginally better. It won't be for anyone on the top 3 lines today or a blue chip prospect from Detroit. I would be absolutely shocked.
I can see San Jose making a last ditch effort to bolster their line up for a run. Washington as well. But as I look through the list of teams, who are the sellers going to be??? Not many. Most of the bottom teams are in rebuilds and not interested in moving key pieces.
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Alex116
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Posted - 01/26/2011 : 14:54:38
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How does it work as far as the Wings signing Kaberle? Can the Leafs grant them permission to talk to him (pre-trade) about an extension? If so, i could see a deal going down for one of the aformentioned players. If they can't and he's purely a rental, then not likely, at least not for a decent roster player or top prospect. As has been mentioned, if Burke can get anything for Kaberle at this point, it's better than nothing!
Don't think the Semin / Kaberle thing really makes sense. Mario, you say both teams are gonna wanna get "something" in return for these two guys but really they're not getting much of anything as both are UFA's, no? If Kaberle helps them in the post season, i suppose you could argue that Washington got something but really, the Leafs would have nothing unless they were able to resign Semin, something they can do anyways once he's a FA.
I too see Brad Richards staying put. He may test the waters in the summer and still resign in Dallas even but i can't see how they could be a top 3 seed and deal this guy!
Jovo's another name that has really not been thrown around much. A team, such as Boston or TB, looking to bolster their D could do worse than signing this guy. Didn't realize he was UFA, he could very well be on the move!
Here's a few guys who i think could be on the move:
Gonchar - I think Ott will find a taker, much to their delight i'm sure, who'll want a PP QB for the playoffs. Possibly NYR, Col?
M. Fisher - Asking price might be too high, but this guy would look good on any playoff roster!
F. Beauchemin - Could be a top 4 guy again on the right team. Possibly TB, SJ, Ana, Bos, Col
And the big one.....which i read as a rumour online, and makes some sense - Vokoun, (UFA after the season) to either Philly or Washington. If either gets him, they've gotta be considered the favorite going into the playoffs!
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ryan93
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Posted - 01/26/2011 : 15:09:59
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The Rangers could definitely use a PP quarterback. They have a great group of young defenders, but really only Michael Del Zotto has the potential to be a true powerplay quaterback. While Del Zotto has a bright future & he shown glimpses of brilliance in his rookie season last year, he's still very much a work in progress & needs more time to develop.
I like Sergei Gonchar, but he's not having a very good year at all, and at his age that's a little worrisome (than again, most Sens aren't). What's left on his contract, 1 year? 2 years? I think he's making in the $5-5.5 million range, so i dunno, i think i'd have to pass. Personally, i'd be content if the Rangers stood pat at the deadline. They have a great group of young players, and i don't want to see them part with any. I think they are still a year away from being a true Cup contender. They will be getting a lot of players back from the IR in the coming weeks as well. Ryan Callahan & Vinny Prospal (who hasn't played yet this season) were both taken off IR last night & will be in the line-up after the break. Brandon Dubinsky & Erik Christensen won't be far behind.
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Alex116
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Posted - 01/26/2011 : 15:28:25
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Ryan, my mistake , i thought for some reason Gonchar was at 4.5. It is in fact 5.5 AND he's got two years left after this one. At 4.5 i thought they could maybe find somewhere for him but at 2 years at 5.5, it'd be tough! He's not getting any younger either (37?)  |
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Pasty7
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Posted - 01/26/2011 : 15:36:44
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Originally posted by Beans15
Helm? Abelkader? Tatar???
Not a chance in hell Kenny Holland moves any of those guys for a player he does not know will be with the team long term.
Kaberle is a UFA rental. Nothing more. No one is going to give up a current quality players or prospect such as that for Kaberle. It's not like Kaberle is the only viable UFA defensemen for rent. There are guys like Jovonovski, McCabe, Pitkanen, Brewer, Hamrlik, Rivet, Wisnewski, Erhoff, White, Wallin, Gill to name a few. Not saying all of these guys are rentals, but the point is Kaberle is not the only guy on the block to make his so valuable that a blue chip prospect or a solid contributing young player will be traded.
We all know that the trade value in the NHL at deadline time is significantly reduced. Anyone remember the deal fo Huet a few year ago. He was a #1 goalie at the time and he fetched a 3rd rounder I believe?? Andrew Alberts was traded or a 3rd rounder last year. Jurcina went for a 6th rounder and a conditional pick. Corvo, possible the most sought after d-man last year went for Pothier, Osala, and a 2nd rounder.
I can see Kaberle moving, but it will be for a similar deal to Corvo last season or marginally better. It won't be for anyone on the top 3 lines today or a blue chip prospect from Detroit. I would be absolutely shocked.
I can see San Jose making a last ditch effort to bolster their line up for a run. Washington as well. But as I look through the list of teams, who are the sellers going to be??? Not many. Most of the bottom teams are in rebuilds and not interested in moving key pieces.
Me thinks a slow trade deadline is upon us.
Beano... just on a side note any other team i would agree with you but these are the Red Wings the BEST oraganization in the League my generatons Dynasty,, my point is if the wings want Kaberle long term to replace say Rafalski ,, i would bet Kabby would even take a discount to sign there, i mean this is the best Organization renowned for takeing care of it players and is always a winner.. what better place to finish your career then ride off into the sunset?
"I led the league in "Go get 'em next time." - Bob Uecker
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ryan93
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Posted - 01/26/2011 : 15:39:01
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I wonder if the Sens would trade Gonchar straight up for Drury?  What a horrible contract that turned out to be! Drury is still on the books for 1 more season after this one at a cap hit of $7.05 million. In 20 games this season, Drury has 0 goals and 4 assists! |
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Alex116
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Posted - 01/26/2011 : 16:16:25
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I've said it before, i'll say it again.....NO WAY they get rid of Drury after already ridding themselves of Gomez!!! Then again, they did get rid of Gomez's contract.......i guess you never know?
I suppose back when they signed those two to MONSTROUS numbers, they still had guys like Jagr and Shanny to play with, but man, it's amazing with those contracts moving forward that they've been as competetive as they have! |
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The Duke
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Posted - 01/26/2011 : 16:26:42
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Beans, why do you keep saying that teams get NOTHING for rental players. I can dig up plenty of examples where teams got PLENTY for rental players, and i mean big return !!!
In 2007 the St. Louis blues sent K . Tkachuk ( a rental player, last year of his contract, UFA at seasons end ) to the Thrashers.....in return the Blues received....
A 1st round pick in 2007....
A 3rd round pick in 2007...
A 2nd round pick in 2008...
Glen Metropolit....and...
A second 1st round pick in 2008 if Tkachuk re-signed with the thrashers...
Not too shabby for a RENTAL...
If Tkackuk is a 9 / 10 rating for a forward.....then
Kaberle gotta be a 7.5 / 10 as a defenseman. Looking at this trade, your saying Kaberle isn`t worth Darren Helm ??? come on |
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The Duke
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Posted - 01/26/2011 : 16:35:40
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Funny you know....know one ever talked about this trade like they did the kessel trade...All this for a 35 year old rental with no-where to go but down hill...
Toronto makes a similar trade for a 22 year old 36 goal scorer with nothing but a bright future ahead of him... and their idiots....and no-one has stopped talking about it since.... |
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ryan93
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Posted - 01/26/2011 : 16:36:18
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I remember when that trade went down, i couldn't believe Atlanta gave up that much!
I just tried to look up to see who those draft picks turned out to be. The 3rd round pick in 2007 ended up being Brett Sonne. The 3rd round pick in 2008 was Philip McRae. The Blues made a few moves in the '07 draft so i'm not entirely sure what they did with the '07 1st rounder...but it looks like they may have traded up with the Flames, so the Blues could draft Ian Cole, while the Flames used the Atlanta pick to take Mikael Backlund. |
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ryan93
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Posted - 01/26/2011 : 16:42:41
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The picks Atlanta gave up though were around 20th overall, 33rd overall, and 85th overall...where as the Leafs gave up a 2nd overall pick, along with what could very well be another top 5 pick this year.
That said, the Tkachuk trade was indeed brutal! I wouldn't say nothing was said of it, i remember at the time a lot of people (by that i mean TSN, CBC, Sportsnet types) were shocked by the move & couldn't understand why the Thrashers would give up that much for Tkachuk. The Thrashers did indeed make the playoffs that year, but were swept in round 1 by the Rangers :) |
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Pasty7
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Posted - 01/26/2011 : 16:47:17
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Originally posted by The Duke
Funny you know....know one ever talked about this trade like they did the kessel trade...All this for a 35 year old rental with no-where to go but down hill...
Toronto makes a similar trade for a 22 year old 36 goal scorer with nothing but a bright future ahead of him... and their idiots....and no-one has stopped talking about it since....
and didn't Keith sign back with the blues the following year lol that was a good one,,, the only argument i can say to this one times are a changin (bob Dylan) and you know what it's a weak argument!
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nuxfan
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Posted - 01/26/2011 : 16:59:45
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Beans, why do you keep saying that teams get NOTHING for rental players. I can dig up plenty of examples where teams got PLENTY for rental players, and i mean big return !!!
2007 is a long time ago. Do you have an example of one that lopsided in the last 2 years? |
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ryan93
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Posted - 01/26/2011 : 18:26:25
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Well since the player in discussion is Tomas Kaberle, let's use another offenseive defensemen as a comparison.
In 2008 Buffalo's Brian Campbell was a pending UFA & was dealt at the trade deadline...
to San Jose:
Brian Campbell
7th round pick in 2008 (Drew Daniels)
to Buffalo:
Steve Bernier
2008 1st round pick (Tyler Ennis) |
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polishexpress
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Posted - 01/26/2011 : 18:38:37
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I'm wondering who EDM will trade, if they are able to trade anyone?
I'd like to see them dump some salary( a la Gilbert, Horcoff) but probably won't happen.
My wishlist would be to acquire one of these: draft picks, a top defender, a first-line center. But, that's it, it's only a wishlist.
I want to see Hemsky stay, but he is a point-per-game when healthy, so he is the most valuable asset on the Oilers that isn't a rookie/youth player.
After that, Penner may fetch something, maybe two 1st rounders, eh Slozo, Duke?(Couldn't help myself there, just kidding!) |
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ryan93
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Posted - 01/26/2011 : 18:46:42
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Hemsky is an interesting case, such a talented player who is still fairly young, but he's had such a bad run the last couple years. What's the word on Hemsky, when is he expected back? He's still signed for 1 more year at a $4.1 cap hit...which is a good deal for a player of his talent.
Unfortunately I would think Shawn Horcoff would be next to unmovable seeing as he's signed until the end of the 2013/14 season at a annual cap hit of $5.5 million. |
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The Duke
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Posted - 01/26/2011 : 19:51:31
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2007 isn`t that long ago nuxfan...but i agree there aren`t too many trades as lopsided as that one...
but seriously, kaberle can be the difference in a contending team losing or going to the next playoff round. Scoring is so tight in the playoffs that if a player like kaberle can bring ( set - up ) that 1 goal in a game, well he should be worth adam good player. |
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Posted - 01/26/2011 : 20:14:31
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Posted - 01/26/2011 : 20:57:06
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How is 2007 a long time ago? Has the game changed so fundamentally in the last 4 years that it is irrelevant to bring up trades from then? But of course 2 years ago, now that would be totally fine...
The fact of the matter is the last 2 years is too small of a sample size, because there haven't been any top rental player type trades in that time (unless you count the Kovi deal, which was shortly before the trade deadline and resulted in a fair return for Atlanta). Last year the biggest name traded was probably visnovsky, who was under contract and was basically traded straight across for Ryan Whitney. Lots of trades, but no real big names. Year before that was similarly devoid of major rental type deals.
Year before that gets interesting. Pittsburgh rents Hossa and get Dupuis for Colby Armstrong, Erik Christensen, Angelo Esposito, and a 2008 first round draft pick. Detroit picks up Stuart, who was at the end of his contract, for a second and fourth round draft pick. We also have the campbell trade mentioned earlier. Year before Ryan Smyth is traded to the islanders for a first round pick and Omara and Nilsson, two young first round prospects.
Anyway, Stuart, who is not the caliber of player that Kaberle is, got 2nd and 4th round picks. Campbell, who was at a level similar to where Kaberle is now, got a first and Bernier (who coincidently was also an UFA and signed elsewhere in the offseason). Smyth returned a 1st rounder and some prospects, Hossa (along with Dupuis) returned a first rounder and a slew of prospects. So I don't think you can say that rental players can't bring a decent return. For example, I think Edmonton getting essentially 3 first round picks for a non-elite player that wasn't returning is a steal of a deal, regardless of how those players may have turned out.
*But*, rental players by and large yield picks and prospects. Not other high end UFAs (Semin...are you serious? Makes ZERO sense), and not established top 9 forwards (ie helm). Because the type of team that is in the market for a high end rental player is the type of team that is shooting for a cup, and so is not going to give up pieces of its team. So don't expect that in return for Kaberle you will get that missing piece that makes you a playoff team. Instead, expect a package that makes you a better team in a couple of years. |
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MrBoogedy
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Posted - 01/26/2011 : 21:27:55
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| I can see Montreal going for a top 6 forward with Cammalleri out for at least a month, possibly longer. That frees up some contract space for the time being, and it wouldn't surprise me at all if they shipped out Kostitsyn as part of a deal. One can only hope, especially now that the habs are hovering dangerously close to being out of a playoff spot. |
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Pasty7
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Posted - 01/26/2011 : 21:51:35
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Originally posted by MrBoogedy
I can see Montreal going for a top 6 forward with Cammalleri out for at least a month, possibly longer. That frees up some contract space for the time being, and it wouldn't surprise me at all if they shipped out Kostitsyn as part of a deal. One can only hope, especially now that the habs are hovering dangerously close to being out of a playoff spot.
good news it appears Cammy may only miss a total of 5 games because of the All Star break!!
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nuxfan
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Posted - 01/26/2011 : 23:00:35
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Has the game changed so fundamentally in the last 4 years that it is irrelevant to bring up trades from then
The game has not. Contracts have. One of the biggest changes in the last 4 years, since 2007, is the very high number of NMC/NTC's now present in contracts. Relatively few contracts expiring in or around 2007 had these sorts of deals (I cannot find an exact number). In 2009, there were 116 in active contracts. Today, there are 130 NHL contracts that contain them, and more coming every year. This severely limits the types of deadline bidding war deals of yesteryear.
The biggest problem for Kaberle, and the thing that will limit his trade value the most, is his NTC. When a player can dictate a small set of teams that he is willing to be traded to, the competition for his services go down dramatically - and so does return.
Some of the big trades from a couple of years ago that you mention:
Kovalchuk - did not have a NMC, and there were a reported 8-10 teams bidding for his services.
Campbell - did not have a NMC, and there were a reported 8 teams looking for his services when SJ picked him up.
Ryan Smyth - did not have a NMC (I believe anyway, that was a 2 year RFA deal which I doubt would have included one - correct me if I'm wrong), and there were several teams interested in him at the time.
Bidding wars mean high prices. Hey, I live in Vancouver - if it works for real estate, it will work for hockey players
If you look at the deals out there for players that had NT/NM clauses in their contracts, the picture gets far less rosy. One has to only look at the Heatley deal to see what happens when your player lists 2 or 3 teams that he's willing to go to. GM's aren't stupid, if they know they're the only bidder they will adjust their offer significantly.
So, Kaberle is going to waive his NTC for 2 or 3 teams. I'm not saying that the Leafs won't get something in return, but I wouldn't be holding my breath for a basket of multiple picks and/or multiple prospects.
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Posted - 01/27/2011 : 04:57:22
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My whole point guys, about the Kaberle to Detroit rumour I heard (and let me reiterate it is a total rumour, don't know if my buddy was pulling my leg or not), was that I was incredulous that it would happen.
My whole point was that those guys I mentioned would be the sort of value level Burke would be looking for in return, and that anything less IMHO would be rejected. Does Burke want to be known as the guy in Toronto who let Kabby go for free to a team that say goes all the way and wins the cup? No. Nobody wants to be the GM that gives that final piece to a real contender to put them over the top!
So that is why I do not think he will be dealt to Detroit . . . Burke would ask for too much, and Detroit want to let go of any decent prospects for him.
Streit
Now THERE is an interesting trade if it happened . . . it is the NY Islanders, after all, so anything can and will happen. He is a complete package d-man, I think any team would be absolutely ecstatic to have him on their squad, as long as he stays healthy. Now, all I have to do is convince Charles Wang to take Komisarek and Phaneuf and we have a deal!
All kidding aside, just like last year when I was wrong about it, I think for sure Kaberle gets traded before the deadline - could even be right after the All-Star break (that's when GMs can chat). And I think it'd be for at least a second rounder and a marginal prospect, but who knows what the market is these days . . . tough to make a trade.
OILERS
Yeah - who is available from the Oil, anyone? My thinking is Hemsky might be for the right price, and again, he'd go to a contending team.
OTTAWA
So, is a Spezza deal in the works, is he getting shopped quietly?
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ToXXiK1
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Posted - 01/27/2011 : 05:12:13
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I think the bigger question is:
Does Burke want to be known as the GM who let both Sundin and Kabby walk into the sunset for free?
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Posted - 01/27/2011 : 05:31:26
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quote:
Originally posted by ToXXiK1
I think the bigger question is:
Does Burke want to be known as the GM who let both Sundin and Kabby walk into the sunset for free?
"Hockey is a man's game. The team with the most real men wins.” - Brian Burke
"Let" Sundin walk for free? Please, leave the Leafs and Burke bashing for another thread, this is about trade deadline deals. Everyone knows that as a GM, Burke is active, and always looking for a deal, so with the Leafs where they are, yeah - trades are likely. And as with Sundin, Kabby can nix a deal and put the kaibosh on something he doesn't want, so it could happen. But it certainly wouldn't be for lack of effort from Burke to get some value for him . . .
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ToXXiK1
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Posted - 01/27/2011 : 07:07:13
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Slozo
Not every post is "bashing", what I posted is the truth and could happen. I don't see any Leaf bashing in my statement.
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nuxfan
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Posted - 01/27/2011 : 08:04:56
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actually slozo, I see DET as a very likely candidate destination for Kaberle, if something were to happen - DET makes any NTC player's "list of desired teams" due to their potential, and if Lidstrom does retire after this season they'll be looking for someone to replace him, Kaberle would fit the bill. If they don't trade for him now, look for them to pursue in the offseason.
But I agree, I don't think that DET would offer up as much as Burke is looking for.
Streit - I just don't see him moving. He's a very capable defenseman, and this injury season aside he's extremely good value at 4.1M for each of the next 2 seasons after this one. I also can't imagine that he has very much trade value, having not played a game this seasons and likely not to. The Isles have played pretty well this year given their injuries. They have to be excited about the prospects of next season once everyone is back and healthy. Unlike other teams not in the post-season, I don't see the Islanders being particularly active sellers.
Toxxik - you're being a bit unfair to Burke in regards to Sundin. He certainly didn't let anyone walk into the sunset for free, Sundin exercised his NTC to stay in TOR, as was his right to do so. I'm sure that Burke would hvae happily dealt him if he could have.
However, if Kaberle goes without any return, I would chalk that up to Burke 100%. NTC or not, Burke had ample opportunity to trade him in each of the previous 2 summers to anyone - and repeatedly threatened to do so both summers -but failed to do so. If Kaberle walks in June, no doubt Burke will be kicking himself for not taking one of the "sub-par" deals he was offered last summer.
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nuxfan
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Posted - 01/27/2011 : 08:05:31
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| BTW, word just in - WSH have resigned Semin to a 1-year deal @ 6.7M, so he's now off the market for deadline deals. |
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polishexpress
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Posted - 01/27/2011 : 08:14:37
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Honestly, I still don't see what is so wrong with Burke honoring Kaberle's contract. He can try to persuade him to move, but he has a contract, and Burke respects that enough to not apply inappropriate pressure on him beyond trying to make a deal and proposing it.(Or at least that's what Burke has led us to believe.) If that's the truth, I respect Burke for that.
What about NJ? A month ago, no one would say they are not sellers this trade deadline, but their with their recent resurgence, I'm wondering whether it's a fire sale, or just a slight discount? |
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ToXXiK1
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Posted - 01/27/2011 : 08:47:21
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I'm not even sure Burke was involved in the Sundin thing, wasn't it intrim Silver Fox Fletcher? Anyway, I refuse to believe that Sundin wouldn't have done the Leafs a solid and let them trade him. But, I think something was going on in the background, someone pissed in his cornflakes, whatever and he chose the road he took. All i'm saying is, if Kabby gave Burke a list (so it has been reported) and Burke can't get what he wants, then Kabby either walks or hopes to sign with the Leafs. So, in order to get something for him, Burke may have to bite the bullet and take what he can get instead of what he wants.
Fair comment?
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nuxfan
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Posted - 01/27/2011 : 09:06:27
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yeah, I'm not sure if Burke was involved in the Sundin thing, perhaps it was Fletcher.
The difference with Kabby and Sundin is that Burke had every opportunity to trade Kabby before it got to this. Kabby's unusual NTC is suspended for 6 weeks every summer, allowing the Leafs to trade him to anyone in that window. For the last 2 summers, Burke has threatened to do so, and likely had offers for his services that he deemed too low. Last summer, I cannot see how Burke did not see the potential writing on the wall - he must have thought that the team would not be competing for a playoff spot, and that they'd have little chance of resigning Kabby once he becomes UFA. Yet, no trade.
If Kabby elects not to waive his NTC this trade deadline, and then walks for nothing, Burke will be the reason. |
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Trade Deadline 2011 - Predictions 
